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10905 No. 10905 ID: 632b3e
My fellow OPERATORS, the state of the chan is…. Meh.

I say this not to be a Debbie Downer, but to frame in your minds the questions we must answer as a community as to what those who come here to browse or post value and what can or even should be done to maintain and transform this site.

Financially, we are in alright shape. There was a lukewarm response to the initial donation drive, but more people signed up for the Patreon than I thought. Provided the patrons keep paying, we have enough to ride out the rest of the year on our current server.

However, our current server is still relatively expensive, especially for the traffic the site gets. Operatorchan takes up a lot of server space, and while as discussed previously having a dedicated server is nice for reliability, the utility and cost just don’t match. I will be working with Godverdomme to find cheaper options either with our current hosting company or a different one depending on what’s available. My goal is to reduce costs to below the current level of patronage. This is not without challenges, as the current build of the site has been basically chugging along untouched for years now. Moving to a new server will not be a copy and paste operation. I will post updates on that as it happens.

A note on paypal. Paypal is dicks. Our saved jewgolds are safe, but I don’t see paypal as a viable long term option for collecting donations anymore. I will be researching alternatives. In the meantime, patreon can deposit directly to opchan’s bank account so that seems to be a viable option for now. I just had a lengthy phone conversation with an Irishman named David who tells me that their “compliance division” is going into overdrive to combat money laundering and he’s fielding tons of calls about limited or locked accounts. If they want to make the service unusable, I am happy to oblige. I was actually worried this would happen eventually which is why we have a backup financial system and our threads won’t be repo’d.

So, we must change the server situation. Also in the technical realm, Kusaba X continues to be utter shit. The longer it runs the harder it is to keep it from falling apart and you may have noticed some content loss on older threads. It will fail. An alternative platform must be identified. This is no longer optional. I will have more free time starting in March and I will be able to devote more time to researching and implementing something new.

In the meantime, I will be creating a facebook group as an emergency backup. The operatorchan facebook page is doing pretty good. 1.6k followers and 62k reach with 27k post engagements in the last month. It’s a fun place.

I’ve been able to conclusively link high reach facebook posts with bumps in site traffic. Not huge, but measurable. Since facebook is easy, Mammoth and myself will be continuing to post shit. Facebook is also dicks though. They gave me a $10 coupon to use on boosting posts then when I tried to use it said I couldn’t boost weapons related content. Jerks.

So then. The lights will remain on for the time being. We have funds for another year and the server/platform combo might not shit the bed before the money runs out.

If anyone is interested in revitalizing or making operatorchan great again… I need help.

The other admins are largely absent or unable to assist, and there are very few active mods. We don’t have a competent developer at the moment. Godverdomme is, as always, still lurking in the shadows providing essential support. Without his help the site would definitely be dead or exist in a very different form since I would have had to restart it from nothing.

I need volunteers.

I need a chief moderator to wrangle the users so we don’t devolve into shilling, flame wars and tedious metathreads (which I will be locking. All metadiscussion should go in this thread from this point forward). I need someone to look at shitfests like /n/ and try to whip it into something sensible with new rules and consistent enforcement.

I need more mods who are willing to log in and wade into the shit.

I need people to help with outreach on various social media platforms and to look into which ones we SHOULD be on to draw good people we want to talk with to the site.

I need someone with development experience to look under the hood of this creaking relic and tell me if it’s worth salvaging.
If people are willing to step up, perhaps we can build ourselves back up. If not, operatorchan will fade, as it has been fading, into the mists of the internet.

Or one of you could hack up a chick and post your manifesto here. That’d help.**

Anyway, let’s open the floor for questions and comments. I believe your newest mod Senseless had a question about Anime.

Forever yours,
Jedi Dachshund

**Don’t fucking do this you horrible degenerates.
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>> No. 10906 ID: 07f26b
>Or one of you could hack up a chick and post your manifesto here. That’d help.**

Working on it. I first need to identify which roommate's GF to attack.
>> No. 10907 ID: e8bac3
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I'm glad to hear the lights will be kept on.
This place is getting dated and I don't doubt that there's a hell of a lot that goes on behind the scenes to keep this place running.
I want to express my sincere appreciation for you and all the mods and supporters who keep this place up despite the relative few of us who frequent it.

I think we are in need of a pretty drastic change, though i'm unsure what form that might take. Social media isn't much of a viable option as I assume everyone here agrees that mods and content cops should be in house as opposed to zuccccc.

I wonder if a brainstorming session of sorts might produce a few ideas. Either here, on facebook, if necessary on IRC, or wherever. There seem to be a whole lot of militaristic, ethically questionable gents on numerous facebook pages that keep getting zucc'd, maybe start a recruiting campaign there.

In any case, this joint is still pretty near and dear to my heart, it's been pretty good and I think it can have a good future if we figure some shit out.
>> No. 10908 ID: 0cba3c
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>Give mods wider discression in banning people who consistently troll, flame, and cause disruption on the board. Base it on conduct, not ideas or ideologies. If they can't lurk and at least try to get along and assimilate, show them the door and don't use kid gloves about it. America is for Americans. Operatorchan is for Operators. "Assimilate or fuck off."

>Look into softserve ads in 8chan's /k/ board. Advertising outside sites is welcome on 8chan, and after a bit of filtering out faggots with corrective mod action we could draw some good new blood. There are some damned smart Streloks floating around on there.

>Push the facebook thing. I hate facebook personally, but tons of people use it and if it works, it works.

>Use the Opchan Twitter (if we have one, I thought we did) and get someone on staff to volunteer to do some grade-A shitposting on it. Get followers and tweet about happenings on the board.

>Secondarily, use the Twitter and Facebook to network with major names in the gun and military world. Invite veterans to come here. As it gets bigger, use social media to do small charity drive events for veteran causes. Spread our reputation and do good deeds all at once.

And if you want the place cleaned up and running smooth in a week, make me a mod.
>> No. 10909 ID: b70387
>I believe your newest mod Senseless had a question about Anime.

Yes. Fill out this poll:

The public-board anime/mlp ban is seen as little more than a tradition among the staff. It may be brought to an end.
>> No. 10910 ID: 632b3e

Don't you do it, OPERATOR!


Thanks, your appreciation is appreciated. I have noticed that a lot of weapons pages get cut off at the knees when they reach a certain size and reach. We ran into it with the operatorchan page because they thought we were selling guns and I had to get angry with their minions. They refuse to "verify" the page even when I provide them with all the proofs they request that I own the site and pay the bills. It's ridiculous.

A brainstorming session is a good idea. IRC is best for such things and we even have a channel we can use.


I also appreciate you volunteering again, but it's simply not going to happen. You create good content when you feel like it and you're not especially dumb, but your reputation proceeds you and I've witnessed most of it personally so.... no. I know you disagree, and feel free to tell me why in an email or hop on IRC to discuss.

As far as advertising on 8chan, feel free to do so. I do want to leverage social media heavily, just need more trustworthy bodies to do it. We do have a twitter with a good number of followers but I wasn't getting the same level of results from it as facebook. We also have an instagram and a subreddit. All of these are potential avenues for growth.
>> No. 10911 ID: f9b63c
- Contribute useful or interesting content.
- Be civil, and neighborly.
- Get involved and organize fun things for the community.

- Remove spam.
- Remove off topic posts.
- Remove insults without content.
- Spoiler images which are sexualized, or gore.

- If a user is particularly a dick, janitors can ask mods in irc to watch a particular guy.
- From then on if he acts like a dick he gets a 1 hour warning ban from a mod. If the bad user come an hour later and act a dick in the same thread, give them a 1 day ban. No longer. Week long bans disrupt discussion, considering how easy it is to evade a ban anyone using permabans has failed as a mod.

- Spread the word about my board, start fake flamewars so more people will come there.
- Implement various filters.
The site I'm on lets free hosting, you guys worry about money more probably.
>> No. 10912 ID: f9b63c
>worry about money
By the way I don't envy you this, most users here are probably preppers that dont trust banks and keep their money in krugerands.
>> No. 10913 ID: 632b3e

Ideally that's how things work. What board do you run?
>> No. 10914 ID: 0cba3c
Just tried to reply to senseless in the other thread, but its locked.
>> No. 10915 ID: 632b3e

For you, I would recommend a new thread in /dmz/ to get whatever it is off your chest.
>> No. 10916 ID: bc78c2
First off, I fuckin told ya so. I saw this all happening years ago and took steps to head it off and was harangued for doing so.

Now onto useful solutions.

1) Just drop the #operatorchan channel on irc. It was a bad idea and does no one any good to give the impression of a dead community. Bring back #/k/ advertising.

2) OPchan discord server. I tried setting up a PBE one but that's fell unused. Most the large chans and /k/ facebook pages have their own large discord servers with hundreds of users. It costs nothing to run and the software is under constant development.

3) Advertising combined with heavy moderation to filter out the trash. I tried this back then, I got yelled at for it. The theory is still sound and I think it could work. Now a days we have many other avenues for cross-promotion. It's not just a few *chans anymore. It's a culture.
The Operatorchan and Payback enterprises facebook pages need your support with content creation and sharing. If we can get stuff shared onto the larger pages we build user base.

4) Posting. We just really need existing users to post more instead of lurking. I'm guilty of this as are most of you reading this. It has to stop. This is the biggest issue we face, full stop. No one will participate in a dead site, so even if we have few users the illusion of active discussion must be up-kept.

5) I don't know if romonov keeps the PBE store up anymore but more patches would be nice. Patches seem to be the in thing right now.
>> No. 10917 ID: 82541b

1.) Yeah

2.) Set one up brah

3.) That's what I'm saying. Need bodies to run accounts, or I guess in March I will set it up so I can blast content out on multiple platforms

4.) I have some ideas on this point with posting discussion seeds when posting is low. Just got to post shit that moves people to comment.

5.) Romanov like many of us is busy with life. I don't have a problem fronting the cash for patch buys if you fucked all buy them
>> No. 10918 ID: e8bac3
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I think patches and merch could be pretty big. Like I posted in /g/, there are some cool fuggin patches floating around right now with nearly daily patch threads on /k/. It wouldn't be difficult to get some more artistically inclined personnel to throw out a mock up or two of whatever we can come up with.
>> No. 10919 ID: 9723b1
Jesus fucking Christ that explains all the cancer.... You realize Serv was criticized for posting ads on 4chan /k/, because /k/inder used to be too vanilla for us? Now fucking instagram is hardcore operator.
>> No. 10920 ID: 9723b1
>4) Posting. We just really need existing users to post more instead of lurking.
This is the first microstep to fixing the site.

Everyone in this thread needs to go lurk on military websites, find something interesting, and post a new thread in /k/, /v/, /vg/, /t/ and /n/.

If most of the current threads get bumped off by new ones, maybe this site has a chance.
>> No. 10921 ID: e8bac3
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Do you have a better Idea? As opposed to just moving to a social media format like facebook, this place can be policed by people of our choosing.

I get it man, i'm no fan of facebook or twitter either, but we can't sit as sticks in the mud forever. It could help to have some new blood or something.

In any case, this all seems to be a sort of brainstorming anyways so feel free to contribute any and all wild theories/ideas.
>> No. 10922 ID: 82541b

I hear you, but the lamestream social media has won. People browse those sites endlessly and don't give a second thought to random imageboards unless they are an oldfag and specifically search them out. Marketing is marketing no matter the product. Our desired "conversion" or "sale" is someone reading a thread here and posting something worthwhile in it.
>> No. 10923 ID: b70387
An OPchan discord server would probably be about as dead as #operatorchan has been. Your war-room in #/k/ has been linked to prominently in /vg/ for four months and remains dead. What more could be done to promote a more official server?
>> No. 10924 ID: 71ae68
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Perhaps we could have curated or stickied threads at the top of the boards, really good threads that the staff believes exemplifies something great. Threads like that would be the first things people see clicking on a board and maybe will grow from that. Plus it will give people who show up here something excellent to see that might grab em by the pussy and keep them here.

We have a Faceboob and Twitter page, maybe post about the threads with links to get people from those sites that might browse our pages there to come here to check shit out.

Maybe if someone volunteers have someone manage our social media accounts, try to drive up traffic on them to drive up traffic here. Maybe not do the comment on a post or video and throw a link to here type of thing or spam fuck other chans like Anontalk but I'm sure there is something someone who knows social media a bit could do to spread the word we're here, we're gear queers, get used to it.
>> No. 10926 ID: 82541b

Yes, I was just preoccupied with PayPal's nonsense. I will list out all of opchan's assets this weekend. There will be a drawing for prizes as well but likely not within the next week.
>> No. 10927 ID: 2cf074
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/vg/ has been realistically dead for a while, on the discord server point we should look into who is running the opchan group on steam and work at contacting people and getting games together, and an active user base in the chat, would be another good way to get more people involved again.

start spamming steam friends, i have something like 50 people that i play with weakly if not daily on steam, in games of Squad, Insurgency, warthunder, world of warships, fractured space, EVE, and so on all games where the user base would most likely fit in our community we just have to get them interested
and working together.

how do the polls usually go on the site? it may bee interesting to do one that helps us get more information on the current demographic of the site, who we are currently drawing in and who we we are missing out on.

also i would help out with the discord server but i hve been working out of hotels as of late and the internet has been absolute dog shit, if we need more money i can afford to up my donation on the patron i just figured we would hit $70 fairly quickly and that more than 7 people would throw money at us,

we need more people like clio, dissenting voices we cant be an echo chamber, that being said i have always found people here to be fairly rational when discussing topics and staying neutral........ that being said it seems less so lately. so ya more discussion less yelling in news and talk would be nice, obvious problem with that being people dont like to be told they are wrong so how do we not drive people away when trying to make a conversation civil,

alright im going to stop now im rambling
>> No. 10928 ID: 632b3e

We actually have lots of demographic data. Check it:

>> No. 10929 ID: f78b01
Did someone say drama?
>> No. 10930 ID: 3f7131
Honestly I have found Reddit's platform pretty good. There are several gun communities active there that could be a good source of contributors. Reddit has also been less ban happy for gun communities than Facebook and is more suitable for people who don't want to use their irl names. Just food for thought.
>> No. 10931 ID: 9723b1
How the hell they know this shit. I can understand tracking cookies and toolbar spyware, but that doesn't explain how they know our genetics, income, or education.

90% of that has to be made up.
>> No. 10932 ID: 9d26ca
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No thanks. Their leadershit is... oh, well, I typo'd my way into saying what I was gonna say.
Reddit is full-on "we're gonna ban the shit we don't like. Bastion of free speech? Never heard the phrase in my life"

There are a few good places on there but overall it's a festering pile of shit.
A better option would be a board on 8chan, but really that would be a last-resort 'oh fuck' backup. I expect that would last a month before going the way of Taclink.
>> No. 10933 ID: 0cba3c

I'm not making a new thread somewhere to explain the bullshit. If it comes up again I'll take the opportunity to tell the story, but it goes without saying there's a lot of deliberate misinformation out there.
>> No. 10934 ID: eb2308
New rule proposal:

ALL of acids posts must be responded to with pictures of hi points, or ignored. Text can be whatever you want, but no hipoint=ban.

Triggering people is fun and gives everyone a reason to post.
>> No. 10935 ID: 632b3e

It's guesses based on your browsing habits if you actually get the cookies and shit. My guess the biggest source of inaccuracy for opchan is actually that people are paranoid and go out of their way to avoid any kind of tracking shit.
>> No. 10936 ID: 3f7131
I don't disagree, but if Facebook were the alternative, I think reddit would be a better choice. I had been hoping Voat would take off but so far it's kind of on shakey legs. Discord/Slack is another choice like has been mentioned.
>> No. 10937 ID: 632b3e

I think all of these other accounts need to remain ancillary to a main imageboard.

Reddit is ok, but the mods are fascists. Facebook is less ok and it's a giant scheme to extract money from you, so under any permutation these options need to be secondary feeders to a main site where we retain control.
>> No. 10938 ID: 632b3e
As far as an emergency refuge to preserve shitposting capability if the site goes down, the subreddit is always an option, and like I said I will make a facebook group.
>> No. 10939 ID: 9723b1
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>being an asshole
>for no reason
You are part of whats wrong with this website.
>> No. 10940 ID: 957e9b
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1. I will pump money into this site if I need to. OPchan is my safe space.
2. I'd be willing to be a janitor. Never been one before so guidance would be needed.
3. If people would be interested I can start making some OC in the form of full break down of my guns, brief histories, and such. Not a Drake level photographer and what I own isn't particularly rare or anything but it would be new OC.
4. What the fuck is the new drama with Acid?
5. Acid can you stop with the drama and post more bomb making threads?
>> No. 10941 ID: 632b3e

I'll remember you said that.

Also, next on the agenda after preparing a financial statement is the moderator question. If you're around a lot and not a total fuckward perhaps you'd be suitable. IIRC the only thing weird about you is furry shit which is fine as long as it stays in the zone.
>> No. 10942 ID: 8a2fe4
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Jesus. I, of all people, have to stick up for Acid Man? I've had disagreements with him, but as best I can remember, we've held no grudges and have always been civil. He is a productive, core member of the site. I for one welcome his continued presence.

Just take my money. Please don't make me do work. I will try to be more substantial and consistent with donations. For what it's worth, I am against lower server costs. I appreciate how smooth and reliable the site has been as of late, and if we truly want to expand our userbase, well then, let's plan for that.
>> No. 10943 ID: 791f24
bring back snacks
>> No. 10944 ID: 632b3e

donate via patreon and it's a nice easy painless monthly thing. If everyone gives a little we can be all set.
>> No. 10945 ID: 3f7131
Maybe I'm dense and missing it but can we put a link to the Patreon on the bottom, maybe next to the Nugget Enterprise banner?
>> No. 10946 ID: 632b3e

Yes. I will do so. In the meantime: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=2464636
>> No. 10947 ID: da97fa
I'll throw my hat in the ring for janitor as well.

And an obligatory "I can has mod plz" for tradition's sake.
>> No. 10948 ID: 957e9b
I usually lurk once or twice a day. I'm on here far more than I post.

No lie, on fiscal things I'm strongly right and social things I'm left. Still I'm fairly big on people expressing their own opinions and would probably only intervene when someone is being pants on head retarded or inciting a flame war.

I do think Anime, when it is actually relevant to the thread, should be allowed.

I also think all of the stupid questions in /k/ should be moved to a QTDWTOT thread.

I can contain my furry fetish to the "zone". I reject the notion that this fetish is weird however. Furry porn has gone mainstream at this point. You all are just being old fuddy sticks in the mud.

I don't usually frequent /trade/ or /m/ but I can make the effort if I am made a janitor.
>> No. 10950 ID: 19518e
I disagree with the "reddit" template.

I know I may speak only for myself, but regardless of how dated the imageboard may look, in my opinion it is pretty much ideal for posting images/video media and general discussion. It's friendly to older devices and new ones alike. It's extremely easy to look for and browse old things (or on cellphones because it's light on bandwidth), it's simple and straightforward to follow discussions. I go to tmblr, reddit, facebook, and twitter and I usually just ragequit not because of the content (as all of those things do have gems in the rough), but because they're just straight up harder to browse/find/organize/search/etc. I'm pretty sure I'm just retarded but that's how I feel about internet formats.

>Also in the technical realm, Kusaba X continues to be utter shit
Sure, we could use a less aging and half-broken board code than Kusaba X, I wonder if we could cannibalize 8chan's board code. It's ok right?

>I believe your newest mod Senseless had a question about Anime
I feel that we should ban anime/mlp if it's shitposting smug reaction images or whatever. I don't think it should be banned if there's weapon-related discussion around something that takes place in an anime or something and an example picture is posted. The problem with that is how confusing and grey-area that'll be for newcomers or when there's something semi-related and a mod has been having a bad day (like say we get a bunch of people posting anime bullshit and there's one random serious thread about some anime thing and the latter gets caught in the crossfire). Not sure what to do about that.
>> No. 10951 ID: b70387
This is pretty much exactly the situation that got me thinking about the usefulness of the anime/mlp ban. In the 97 Chi-Ha thread in /k/, >>/k/102258, >>/k/102435 saw the anime in the OP, and asked if the anime ban had been lifted, posting anime of a guy with a howitzer barrel for an arm or something. I banned him, and it felt inconsistent to not also ban the OP. In IRC, I was told to consider the amount of weapon content in the picture when making a decision like that, and that the 57mm shell in the OP's picture made it sufficiently weapon-related. That is, as you said, kind of arbitrary.

I'd be a lot happier as a mod not banning anime or mlp at all. A shitpost is a shitpost, regardless of the art style. I don't get why we ban these things in the first place, beyond it simply being a personal preference of the userbase here. Thus, the poll.
>> No. 10953 ID: e86d5c
I think it's high time this website got with its game and started using HTTPS!
>> No. 10954 ID: 28e232
What security would you gain encrypting your data? All your posts are public. The only thing would be maybe delete password but that really doesn't matter.
>> No. 10955 ID: 39a10c
Agree, https is lowest priority
>> No. 10956 ID: b70387
Additionally, SSL certificates cost real money. How much are you wiling to donate to encrypt your public posts?
>> No. 10957 ID: 9723b1
>not viewing this site through seven e-condoms
It's like you don't know we made The List ever since SoL.
>> No. 10958 ID: cca820
Don't want hakker doggos getting mah tripcode
>> No. 10959 ID: 070f85

Ok. So

1. NSA, et al. want to "collect it all".
2. It stands to reason that they want the most results from the least amount of effort.
3. We know that they already have real time interception capabilities from internet backbones, i.e. they have "backdoored" the internet at the backbone level in the U.S.
4. It's therefore not unreasonable to imagine a not too distant future where they routinely institute an attack like the following on a large scale:

Alice wants to connect to Bob's webserver. Bob's webserver communicates over plain old HTTP. CIA (NSA) sees the connection request in real time and commences a MITM attack. The traffic between Alice and Bob gets routed through CIA (NSA) and is altered to transparently serve a browser exploit to Alice.

HTTPS would provide some level of assurance against this kind of an attack (assuming it's properly set up). I'm not saying OPchan is a high enough priority target to warrant active high levels of surveillance by alphabet agencies - but the point is that you don't want to be the low hanging fruit, here.

I don't know. Have you priced it out?
>> No. 10960 ID: 811e16
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First result
>> No. 10961 ID: 632b3e

I can add a certificate for an additional $5.83 per month...

However, I really don't think it's necessary, at all.
>> No. 10962 ID: 957e9b
Honestly the only problem I see arising here (assuming the Agency that cares is listening) is if someone posts some OPSEC type stuff about themselves.
SSL won't fix that. Besides I'd imagine most of the 3 letter agencies have easy to use back doors to get around common security such as SSL.

If we are really worried about security here we would get a private server (not virtual) running either Hardened Gentoo or OpenBSD complete with user registrations, vetting new users, etc.

Not worth it. Hell there are only a handful of us that MIGHT be on the very bottom of some ATF or FBI list. None of use are cool enough to be on a CIA or NSA list.
>> No. 10964 ID: dbcd33
You ever fry up some food in your kitchen and you add some crushed red pepper to it and then after you deliciously are finished eating with your meal you strip naked and lay down and you're touching your cock and you realize that there's some pepper residue left on your cock and then suddenly your cock burns? Does that ever happen to you?
>> No. 10965 ID: fb3bdd
Swees Goi is proly on some list somewhere.
>> No. 10966 ID: 632b3e

We are running on a dedicated server anyway. That's why it costs so much.
>> No. 10967 ID: 632b3e
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As promised here is a breakdown of our financial position.

Essentially this is what happens if all the patrons keep paying and no other expenses other than the server are incurred.

Paypal is still being a dick but as you can see they are letting us go about our business.... I honestly don't expect that to last.

Patreon deposits straight into the bank account and it's all set up with my info so there should be no question of money laundering. I would prefer if you are going to donate do it this way. If you absolutely don't want to commit to a monthly payment, email me and you can send money to my personal paypal which I will transfer to the bank. We can also work out other methods, in the past I've accepted google pay donations and that worked out alright. I will work with you if you want to give operatorchan money.
>> No. 10969 ID: 632b3e
Let's try this discord shit:

>> No. 10970 ID: 1d521e

For the love of all that is holy do not undo the public anime/mlp ban.

If the admins want to increase the social media engagement of Operatorchan, do not throw out the one rule that keeps this place looking as sane as it can.

A public anime board might be okay, but it would have to stay there. No cross posting into /k/ or /t/ and the like. Compartmentalization of it will atleast make the site more palatable to more people, which would be the goal of social media engagement. It also keeps things like Senseless's situation happening. Yeah there could be issues with it but less than if you gave the janitors an ambiguous rule (all of us who've been here a while should remember the troubles with mods and ambiguous rules). Giving people a narrow lane with complete freedom is easier to manage than giving people a huge lane with a bunch of rules.

MLP should stay kill-on-sight. This place was insufferable before that was nixed. Anime was getting bad which is why the rule was enacted in the first place. It may have been an over-reaction, hence the hidden board, but it definitely wasn't in regards to MLP.
>> No. 10971 ID: 957e9b
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Once drank a small bottle of Dave's Insanity Sauce. Instantly regretted taking the dare. Had sever stomach spasms for over an hour (didn't puke though) and did cry a bit. Think I have permanent damage to my taste buds from the experience.

Skin in my mouth pealed for a few days afterwards and I also spent the next few days shitting liquid fire. Not chunky diarrhea here...pure water consistency...pure pain...

For my trouble I won $50 and no one ever dared me to eat anything the rest of the time I lived in Maine.
>> No. 10973 ID: 735512
Cool bro. So how's your girl?

I don't want my browser fucking compromised just because I choose to visit!
>> No. 10974 ID: 632b3e

Your browser isn't being compromised due to lack of SSL.

Don't type your social security number into any posts.
>> No. 10975 ID: ad2b13
>> No. 10976 ID: 632b3e

Fucking contrarians man.
>> No. 10977 ID: 9bf704
you were born in Hawaii?
>> No. 10978 ID: b70387
The poll is currently:
- 46% to ban anime and mlp
- 41% to only ban mlp
- 13% to not ban anime or mlp
which means 54% of people favor allowing anime, while 87% of people want to ban mlp.

There hasn't been an active mlp thread in the zone in awhile, so maybe the fanbase is dying down a bit.

At the end of the day, we are an imageboard. Who are we more likely to attract, arfcommers or a bunch of gun-owning weebs?
>> No. 10979 ID: 26edf6
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>> No. 10980 ID: ae1f02
The geneva convention doesn't apply to subhuman koreans, right? Because I wanna commit warcrimes all over her.
>> No. 10981 ID: 1d521e

Those really aren't the only two options though. Honestly I think this site was at its best when the site was mostly former/current service or people intelligent/knowledgeable enough to pretend to be one, who were sorta weebo faggots but not necessarily the sort that had pillows of their waifus.

Aka the Gen Kill et al stream days.

Now we'd be hard pressed to grow and maintain that kind of crowd, but I'd steer towards that kind of crowd and pick up the not so serious arfcommers and weebos along the way. A diverse user base is necessary for health and growth. Despite everyone's bitching having people like Clio around is good, keeps us from just devolving into arfcom-lite.

Some of you might disagree with that, but realize there's a lot more of the world out there than just the US. Foreign operators are more likely to hang around if the chan doesn't devolve into /The_Donald or /MURICA. Foreign operators are cool because they have different tech and experiences, which is interesting to learn/talk about. Motherfuckers, we almost started a naval PMC with operators from Finland, Norway, Canada, shit I even think one of them was South African. That's some cool shit, real life PBE shenanigans.

So yeah, went a wee bit off topic but I hope it makes sense within the given context. My support for a public anime board vs repealing the Ani-Ban wholesale is just based on our experiences leading up to the Ani-Ban; there was a lot of friction over the ambiguity of the rules leading to people questioning the mod staff in almost every /t/ thread.
>> No. 10982 ID: b70387
I agree that the site benefits from having a variety of posters.

Having an excess of content-specific boards led to stagnation and ultimately the removal of a number of boards just last year. An anime-specific public board would be a step backward, especially when the zone can serve that purpose. My concern with the anime ban is how much it might stifle discussion and how difficult it is to properly enforce. If the ban is lifted, people might briefly celebrate with anime all over the place, but I don't anticipate that after that, anime would in any way dominate discussions on the public boards. In the zone, where it's allowed anywhere, anime is only posted outside of the anime and stream threads occasionally.

We're probably going to leave the poll up for the rest of the month before we make a decision on this.
>> No. 10983 ID: 0cba3c

>Get OPERATORS to come here and post
>By inviting non-OPERATORS who will start endless reams of shit with the OPERATORS who do try.

I understand what you're getting at man, but get away from the meme that "divserity of opinion" means "people with nothing in common whatsoever." Opchan has a bedrock - a geekish interest in all things guns and military related. Expecting people to share that bedrock is what helps everyone get along. At the end of the day, we always have that one thing in common that holds us together, and that's what lets ''actual'' diverse opinions exist. Because it created a community for them to exist ''in.''
>> No. 10984 ID: 1d521e

I'm not suggesting that at all, though I get how you could have that impression by referring to Clio specifically. I meant that more in terms of fostering a diverse political spectrum that doesn't just throw "hurr durr marxism" at anything remotely left-leaning. Hence the references to foreign operators. They're foreign but still operators. Hence the thing in common. Operator.

Be that ex/current service or an interest therein, there's a wealth of cool tactics, technology, and different kinds of crazy they have to offer that might be completely turned off by the toxicity of "American-style" politics that pervades /n/ and /t/.
>> No. 10985 ID: 0cba3c

Dumb question because long absences: Have we had any issues with our non-US users?

I remember that Armor got shat on one time for being Israeli and I and some others called that shit out but I can't think of any other occasions. FPoP was almost universally liked, as was Yattuwort and Armor in general, as far as I can remember.

Fuck I like talking with non-US peeps, especially about military stuff. Great perspectives.
>> No. 10986 ID: 632b3e
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I wish you guys would look at the metrics. Half of opchan's traffic is from places that aren't the US.
>> No. 10987 ID: 632b3e
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>> No. 10988 ID: 632b3e
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>> No. 10989 ID: 632b3e
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>> No. 10990 ID: 632b3e
Think about those affinity numbers... you are 8 times more likely to find someone from Slovenia here than on the internet in general.

Anything we do has to take into account international users because there are as many or more of them than american users.
>> No. 10991 ID: 8537bd
Are there metrics for non-unique returns? Aka what's our retention like? If we want content, our user base needs some level of continuity I would think. That drives discussion and participation, which is kind of my point re; /n/ and /t/. But lurkers are an issue everyone faces so I digress.
>> No. 10992 ID: 493ea1

There's tons of data for the analyzing:
>> No. 10993 ID: f13f5f
I was the one who made the thread about how OPchan became a leftist/hipster circle jerk and forgot about it til now. 8ch /k/ probably helped contribute to OPchan going on the decline besides the constant shilling by people like Clio. Someone who pretended to be a girl on the internet was more important than other OPchan users, and you dug your grave by choosing people who have no interest in guns (I remember she was even banned once or twice for anti-gun posts years ago) and just out to start shit over what OPchan used to be.

I used to really like you but I don't see why anyone should trust you after you killed gamergate on 8ch and had the OPSEC of a typical normalfag.

more proof that OPchan has gone to shit
>> No. 10994 ID: 1d521e
Explain. What about being inclusive of foreign operators is how Opchan went to shit? When we started out we had a number of solid foreign operators posting regularly. Now I'd be hard pressed to name 1 that I've seen post here in the last few months/year.
>> No. 10995 ID: 185975
>Foreign operators are more likely to hang around if the chan doesn't devolve into /The_Donald or /MURICA.

We actually come here because America is the freest country in general and specially with firearms. I personally like the principles America is based on Obviously ignoring the identity crisis its going through since WWII. "The Donald" doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as OPENLY GLORIFYING SYSTEMS OF GOVERNMENT THAT WRECKED MY COUNTRY.

Only retarded Americans (or possibly other westerners) like Clio actually think that something better exists outside US borders.
>> No. 10996 ID: f13f5f
I can't tell if you're playing stupid or what but:
>though I get how you could have that impression by referring to Clio specifically. I meant that more in terms of fostering a diverse political spectrum that doesn't just throw "hurr durr marxism" at anything remotely left-leaning.

OPchan went to shit because of this.
>> No. 10997 ID: 1d521e

No. Opchan went to shit because of the server instability leading to the Taclink side quest. Opchan never truly recovered from that, just kind of yo-yo'd afterwards.
>> No. 10998 ID: 632b3e

Part of the problem is we have very little "baseline" to compare to. When the site started it was far slower than it is now, but then shit started happening and we got tons of websluts. Traffic boomed, the servers broke, and the rest is history.

For the past few years things have been relatively stable as far as traffic though it is on a steady downward trend - and posting has dropped off in the past year a bit. There are around 300-400 posts per week with about 1,750 unique devices visiting the site in the same timeframe. So there's that.
>> No. 10999 ID: b70387
Is there a way to know our posts per week, not counting Bat Guano image dumps?
>> No. 11000 ID: 632b3e

Sure, check the statistics, count the BG posts and do math
>> No. 11001 ID: b70387
Not exactly sure how I would do that. Where are you getting your posts per week?
>> No. 11002 ID: 8ef049

In the admin section check statistics, if it isn't showing up for you I'll send them to you tonight
>> No. 11003 ID: 8ef049

Lol nevermind it's fucking broken again.
>> No. 11004 ID: 632b3e
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IHC is a mod now.
>> No. 11005 ID: ab5f17
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This will end well
>> No. 11006 ID: 22c903
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unless the hotpockets run low

>he's a janitor
>on the internet
>on an anime imageboard
>he does it for free
>he takes his "job" very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl chinese cartoons he still has to watch
>he will never have a real job
>he will never move out of his parent's house
>he will never be at a healthy weight
>he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket
>he will never have a girlfriend
>he will never have any friends
>> No. 11007 ID: 632b3e
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do we want to do shit like this and try to spread them around?
>> No. 11008 ID: 9dcda2
Signed up for Patreon. The video sold me. KA-POW!
>> No. 11009 ID: 632b3e

Thanks kindly, do you want an opchan email address?
>> No. 11010 ID: 19518e
I'll be trying to make more OPchan video, still brainstorming over what that'll be.

When I get paid next week, you can expect a few of my syrup rupees to fly into the hat.
>> No. 11011 ID: 0876ee
It seems 4chan is now having some server instabilities, kind of like what kicked opchan off.

That said, imo, we should list our mos active board. Its come up time and time again that its absurd to attract newfags if our most active discussions happen on a fucking SECRET BOARD. I'd reckon we should either add /dmz/ to the sidebar, or maybe even merge it with /t/ (but there are valid counterpoints to that).

I wonder if reddit will get bought by the Clinton Foundation and have all their gun boards shut down or gun shit on facebook and youtube gets banned or 4chan crashes and burns under japmoot. Imo theres too many big guy communities for niche sites like us to get much traffic anywho, but they all seem kind of set up to fail and hopefully drive traffic our way.

That said, our original success was A. Being up and running when 4chan shat out, B. Having a higher level of discourse than 4chan (which now, honestly, reddit fills that gap for people and also the quality of discussion on 4chan /k/ has gone up), and most bigly, C. Offering value added via the livestream. Other than the original exodus of oldfags from the o/k/ corral, that was our main source of influx. We could post a thread on 4ch advertising to "come hang out with like-minded STALKERS and all yell "GIT TO DA CHOPPA" at the screen together" instead of obviously trying to leech users by advertising a competitor board. It just so happens the livestream had a giant opchan banner/link at top and was full of opchan tripfags.
>> No. 11012 ID: 19518e
>add /dmz/ to the sidebar, or maybe even merge it with /t/
I support /dmz/ being visible, but I think that if we're to add /dmz/ to the side bar, it be on its own. Preferably with a clear NSFW tag. I may speak for myself, but I like the difference between /t/ and /dmz/, and I like how they are used differently. I like how /t/ is slower as some threads would have been difficult to tackle had it been fighting the board movement speed of /dmz/.

As said by others before, OPchan does seem to need slower boards because a lot of the (older) users can't really keep up with the posting rates. I'm NOT saying all slow boards are good. Obviously having nobody posting anywhere for days is bad, but having a slow board where threads can last a bit longer is IMO better for the overall quality of the site. Were /k/ to get faster, I would rejoice, but I would also request /st/ to be reinstated as a posting board. /st/ would again allow for longer-term projects that would get eaten up by a fast-moving /k/. The past few months have been in a weird limbo where /k/ is slow enough to have long-lasting threads, but have some new content posted just a little too slowly (as I seem to notice new posters come and go, thinking the site is dead as it has no new posts for a few hours or a day while that's just normal for us) and the balancing act is not really sustainable.

>they all seem kind of set up to fail and hopefully drive traffic our way.
I'm not sure that the complete crash of sites, that are on some level containment zones, would be all good. I browse /k/inder a lot, I have three or four threads of 4chan /k/ open right now. 4ch/k/ and OPchan are simply different boards to me, and serve different posting purposes. I often notice 4ch/k/ posters that would probably do well here, but they either don't know we exist, or peek in and think the board is dead when again, it's just slow as usual.

tl;dr Do I want more posters? Yes. Do I think getting much more traffic would require a bit of re-fiddling of the boards? Also yes.
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I'll respond to these last two posts when I get home, for now here's a glance at FB performance. This has been consistent for a while.
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PBE is getting somewhat neglected. We can punch these numbers up
>> No. 11015 ID: f272e7
And yes, for the astute observer this does mean the opchan Facebook page has more engagement than the site itself.
>> No. 11017 ID: b70387
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I like the idea of posting links to interesting threads on here, but do we have any information on how many people actually click through to the site?

Crap like this is pretty sad. I mean, how obvious does it have to be? "Find out more on OPERATORchan! <link>"?

How many people here originally found the site through Facebook?

Facebook may be giving you big numbers, but what do they actually mean? A bunch of people scrolled past your posts in their feeds as they were looking for something else to distract them from the meaninglessness of their lives? It's not like there are very many replies to those posts.

How many of the pictures you put up on there actually came from OPchan?
>> No. 11018 ID: 632b3e

well "engagement" means they didn't just browse it, they clicked on something.

Many of the pics are from opchan. In order to maintain this level of engagement I need to post 2 things daily, whether that's sharing another page's post or whatever. There aren't enough things posted here to do that, and if I posted everything I do there here, all the pages would be nothing but me. :)

As for click through numbers, yes we have them. On that SVT-40 thread there were 28 unique link clicks, and on Feb 12th there were 311 uniques that visited Opchan. So, that day Facebook brought in about 9% of the traffic.
>> No. 11019 ID: 632b3e
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Now, facebook should be 1 element of opchan's outreach and marketing portfolio.


Advertising on other chans is great and I recommend doing it organically within threads when it's relevant. Don't piss people off and incite raids. We should also be plastering our name on original content. Someone pointed out that this image is wrong since that's a Finnish recruit, not a slav. We should remake it with the appropriate finnisms and repost it.


Obviously opchan offers something different. So far the primary mission of the site has been "keep it running". It would make a ton of sense to define opchan's "brand" and what its core values, mission, and vision are. From there, we can actually create a coherent strategy. All these metathreads are usually aimless meanderings roughly in the direction of trying to define the site in these terms.
>> No. 11020 ID: 632b3e
Another thing that has been brought up repeatedly is merch. It's true, we need it, and it will help us. General /k/ themed merch can also be shamelessly advertised across all the various boards.
>> No. 11021 ID: 9c8624
What kind of bandwidth, storage space, etc are necessary for normal traffic? Has anyone recorded the peak throughput, peak processor usage, peak RAM occupancy? How big is our database?

Another thread mentions the current server cost is $68.95/month or 827.4 per year, assuming taxes are included in this number. Based on this I assume opchan is using the server4you Blue Line server with HDDs and a 1 gig port.

Kimsufi dedis are pretty cheap and are in a reliable datacenter. Their top range is $36:
Xeon 2 x E5504 (total of 8 cores @ 2 GHz+), 16 GB ECC, 2 TB storage, 100 Mbps unmetered
The lowest I'd go without knowing more about the needs of the site is the $14 one with an Atom N2800 and 4 gigs of RAM.

I doubt peak traffic for normal use is over 100Mbps, because we just don't get that many posts. The issue with the 100Mbps unmetered is that it's pretty easy to DDoS. One option for DDoS protection is paying $18 a month for a runabove VPS (10 gig port) and tunnelling the traffic to the dedi. This comes to a total of 648 per year, but if the hardware (processing) requirements are lesser it could come 384 before tax. I suggest against cloudflare DDoS protection because their infrastructure is ripe for abuse. I bet 4chan is shitting themselves right now, for all anyone knows the relation between IPs, 4chan passes and posts is cached publicly somewhere. The other issue is that cloudflare sites can be hard to access for people like FPOP due to automated blocking.

HTTPS certificates can be had for free via Let's Encrypt, and I don't see the point in even providing unencrypted HTTP. The new HTTP2 standard is defacto TLS-only.

As far as software, I've been out of touch with imageboard scripts as of recent. It would be kind of cool to have nntpchan integration though, even if we weren't on the main nntpchan network.
>> No. 11022 ID: 632b3e

You've got some good points but are also off base on some things.

The current hardware is way more than we need, let's put it that way. No we're not using the one you mentioned, but the ones you're suggesting would likely work - though you are correct that unmetered low bandwidth would be disastrous because we do get DDOS'd from time to time.

lol cloudflare.

The idea that HTTPS is necessary for an imageboard is kind of silly. What information are you putting on here that needs to be encrypted? Let'sEncrypt is great for what it is, but thinking that makes your site "secure" is silly. Anything you're entering into operatorchan is literally public. Eventually, we will likely implement it to stop the whining.

The software scene is pure shit. We are looking at a few alternatives that are in active development, the best so far from an ease of transition standpoint is Lynxchan, though we aren't committed. Spergs will say it's shit software, but guess what... it's all shit software.
>> No. 11023 ID: 9c8624
There's no point in plain HTTP when HTTP/2 is just better. It takes no more than a day to set up. There's nothing wrong with Let's Encrypt, a Verisign certificate doesn't have any special powers. Properly configured TLS will get rid of certain opportunities for fuckery without reducing performance.

While it's true that all posts here are public, plain HTTP allows any MITM to see what threads an individual reads, the posts an individual makes and the tripcodes/IPs of tripfags. Not a big priority, but it's not a lot of effort either. I'll admit I like encryption mostly because I like encryption, no other reason.

My only input on the imageboard script is that I've grown to prefer the [Update] button at the bottom of threads on most of the new-er scripts. Other than that it all seems the same to me.
>> No. 11024 ID: 632b3e

Well, I think a lot of browsers are pretty much going to require encryption eventually. So as I said, we will likely incorporate it. Just not on this iteration of the site. When we figure out a new software solution and host, that'd probably be an ideal time to set that up to.
>> No. 11025 ID: 82a3e8
Ive just been busy as shit with work, trying to get as much OT and stuff as possible cause I got opchanners to pay back.
>> No. 11026 ID: 632b3e
What hashtags for twitter and instagram should I be adding to shit?
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