https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY8bSRw9oIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY8bSRw9oIE

>>18316
While grey man is obviously useful, is there any real merit to carrying around 30 pounds of guns and gear at all times? Having previously carried around spare mags, ifaks, and at some points a pistol AR in a pack, I felt like it was more equipment than I actually needed for my average grocery run.

>Seattle
>Not dressing like a soyboy or REI fanboy

My go to is some outdoorsy type pants, flannel shirt, some sort of windbreaker/pullover, and lesbian sandle style Keens with merino wool socks.

>>18361
>I think you may be overthinking this. 95% of the normies don't notice this shit, nor do they know one camo pattern from another

the problem with this is that they whole gray man concept is supposed to avoid drawing attention from 100% of people.

So you aren't incredibly impeded when traveling by means of security checkpoints.

Like yeah, I don't think printing is a big deal if there's only teens and soccermoms around sure.
But what says soccermom doesn't flip out and call someone who does have an ability to harass you under guise of law?

What says that remaining 5% isn't a criminal who has knowledge of what to avoid or what to look for?

Anyone who is truly doing the "I'm not tactical" shit should be able to talk to drug dealers as well as cops in the same day without having either of those sides consider you armed.

>>18362

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This thread sorta got me thinking, is looking like a homeless person the ultimate urban camo?
Most people won't pay any attention to you, those that do will actively try to avoid you, at worst you'll get harassed by cops to gtfo of the walmart parking lot or something.
Not to mention that you'll be able to disappear in shelters and such if necessary

Of course, it's not preferable because, well, no one wants to live like a hobo but if the situation called for it, could it actually work?

>>18453
Interesting concept, and I can definitely see merit to the idea. I personally fucking hate homeless people and watch them like a hawk because they're a plague in my area, but I get it.

You could hide a full size weapon and kit pretty easily in a shopping cart with "trash".

I dable with Burma.

But PERSEC so not posting my face.

large? also price?>>18428

A year and a half late, I guess, but: get an M65 field jacket in your size and button additional parka liners into it until you get the snugness you want. Add a heavy sweater if necessary.

Or do you mean this is a fashion choice rather than a specific need for specific utility? In that case ¯\👁️_👁️/¯

So I've had some more time behind it and NODs and I'm warming up to the Perst compared to some other devices I've tried that weren't full power. I have to admit there's merit to pic related.

Things I've found are good with the Perst
>battery life
>IR laser powaaaaah
>pressure pad dial
>has been rugged/unaffected by cold, snow, rain
>held zero despite being used, bonked, hiked with, bonked on trees in the dark, dropped, etc
>price/performance is gr8

Things I still don't really like
>IR illuminator focus knob should have more range, the focus goes from narrow to "it's practically a laser just by itself"
I admit that such an incredibly tight focus illuminator would be useful at long range, it does make close/mid-range shooting a little weird. You can put a chest-sized spot of blinding IR light on something 200 yards away at like medium focus. At "wide open" focus, the spot light covers a person at 100 yards but not much more. Distances/sizes do get wonky in monocular NV so I'd really have to measure shit but it's a narrow illuminator beam and it only gets narrower. I plan on making a new focus cap/knob. Something with a faster pitch thread to dial quicker, with a lens that goes from "tight beam" to maybe 4 to 6 times the spot illuminator size of the "widest beam" that the stock lens offers.
>IR diffuser cap is a cunt to put on/off
Fucking thing folds in on itself half the time. Fucking piece of shit.

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>>18430
With the full power unit I think the Zenitco pressure pad/dial switch is really useful. I set the pressure pad/dial it on top as the Perst was blocking 3/4 of the optic's FOV when I tried to mount it on top. At 45 degrees I mounted the visible light pressure pad, so going from IR to visible is extremely fast and easy. It does mean the Perst is mounted on the side and the visible light is mounted underneath, but the long handguards mean I have no muzzle shadow. I do need a taller optic mount, it's coming soon, it might simplify shit.

If you're somewhere that gun mufflers are allowed and shadow is an issue, I assume things would get a little more complicated. Not sure how I'd set up the things and pressure pads then, to be honest.

>>18434
>IR laser powaaaaah
i understand the desire for having as high power of a laser as possible but in my particular use case and experience, the need is pretty limited.

the most practical thing i can see a higher powered laser being used for is for long range plinking or hunting, but that requires a lot more than just a lightsaber, like having a night-vision capable optic that can see farther than what your 1x head-mounted nods can see. for most of us out there who own minimum-acceptable spec gen 3 pvs-14s with surplus elbit tubes, or even worse than that, civ-powered lasers and illuminators should meet most night-plinking needs, and minimizes the risk of damaging you or your friends' eyes and tubes.

not to mention having less-than-ideal tubes means your illuminator had better pick up the slack, which to my understanding some perst models and the klesch at least have illuminators that arent nearly as bad as peqs or dbals.

>IR illuminator focus knob should have more range, the focus goes from narrow to "it's practically a laser just by itself"
I admit that such an incredibly tight focus illuminator would be useful at long range, it does make close/mid-range shooting a little weird. You can put a chest-sized spot of blinding IR light on something 200 yards away at like medium focus. At "wide open" focus, the spot light covers a person at 100 yards but not much more. Distances/sizes do get wonky in monocular NV so I'd really have to measure shit but it's a narrow illuminator beam and it only gets narrower. I plan on making a new focus cap/knob. Something with a faster pitch thread to dial quicker, with a lens that goes from "tight beam" to maybe 4 to 6 times the spot illuminator size of the "widest beam" that the stock lens offers.
>IR diffuser cap is a cunt to put on/off

newer generation aiming lasers like the MAWL and RAID-X have easily hot-swappable flood and extended throw modes that do a lot to solve this problem. on the MAWL, i can easily hit a switch by moving my thumb over to flood a whole room with umbrella IR lighting, to stepping outside and seeing a couple hundred yards away, for example; a far cry from having to turn a lens on a peq or dbal. id love to try a RAID-X or NGAL to see how a newer-gen IR box solves this problem.

personally i feel that having a very wide range of adjustment will put most end-users in a FAL gas system type of scenario where finer adjustments will just confuse most users, where grosser adjustments make it easy to switch modes, depending on what you need to do with it.

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I recently went out with another rifle that had the klesh mounted on it and it was pretty nice. For the rifle (shorter range build), the klesh had more than enough illumination for the purpose, but I am noticing that it is a tall device. Zeroing it was hell, but once zeroed it has been a simple, bright, effective IR laser and illuminator. The awkward shape of the klesh makes it a bit more troublesome to pack up in a gun case and stuff but for the price/performance, it's not bad.

>>18438
>newer generation aiming lasers
I'm just happy I can still buy anything IR at this point, my country is headed to full nannystate cap gun loicenses blunt knives shit so our options for "new generation" are limited and will likely get completely murdered in the next few years so I don't think MAWLs or other newer devices will ever reach me.

>having a very wide range of adjustment will put most end-users in a FAL gas system type of scenario where finer adjustments will just confuse most users
True it can be a little annoying but even if the unit isn't adjusted just right, the "wrong" setting is still good enough to do the job.

>i never found the perst box to really occlude much when i had my acog paired with it
I think the issue with perst on top for me is a result of my longer barrel/handguard. It's so far out in front that it ends up naturally "higher" in the field of view of the optic and blocks more of it.

>it'll still be pretty tough if you are planning on using an LPVO in front of your head-mounted night vision for passive shooting
I might leave the LPVO as it is and just mount an RMR on top of the LPVO for passive shooting. Passive use of the LPVO is awkward but doable, it's mostly a "last resort" type of thing where I would take a few moments to focus my NOD eyepeice and get into the weird stance. RMR on top is best solution I think, plus my tall mounts are probably never going to show up, shipping has been "it'll be here 4 days from now or it'll be here in 3 years have fun lmao fukken leafs get fucked".

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>>18439
>I'm just happy I can still buy anything IR at this point, my country is headed to full nannystate cap gun loicenses blunt knives shit so our options for "new generation" are limited and will likely get completely murdered in the next few years so I don't think MAWLs or other newer devices will ever reach me.

yeah, that's rough. i wonder since BEM pushes their MAWL on civvies harder than L3 or Wilcox will ever care to do (even the C1+ is crazy strong for being civilian legal per FDA spec) that if they ever thought about having international dealers for it. guess ya gotta make do with what you got!

>True it can be a little annoying but even if the unit isn't adjusted just right, the "wrong" setting is still good enough to do the job.

yep, plus at least for an illuminator at least you can see it with NODs on vs with a gas system you wont know until you fire a shot and your gun short-strokes. with laser devices, im still of the mindset that they are treated like firearms, and with the variety of situations ive used mine with, it's nice to not have to bother cranking a dial every time i switch from place to place.

>I might leave the LPVO as it is and just mount an RMR on top of the LPVO for passive shooting. Passive use of the LPVO is awkward but doable, it's mostly a "last resort" type of thing where I would take a few moments to focus my NOD eyepeice and get into the weird stance. RMR on top is best solution I think, plus my tall mounts are probably never going to show up, shipping has been "it'll be here 4 days from now or it'll be here in 3 years have fun lmao fukken leafs get fucked".

lol yeah might as well just do that. i'd have loved to do that on my ACOG but on a TA01/TA31, the RMR sits on top of the ocular lens, and will be too close to my face for there to be much, if any practical clearance between the optic and nod. i don't know what mount you are running with your razor, but reptilia makes a host of mounts that replace one of the top rings for geissele mounts, and ones that just clamp to the optic body.

pic sort of related, my perst-4 on a 14" build with TA31. i never really noticed it much when shooting in the daytime because of the depth of field but who knows, really depends on the person. not an ideal setup for passive night shooting by a stretch.

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>>18399

Cool, problem solved.

>>18400
I don't mind the RATS. I just hate when people spurg out saying they're not approved for use. I'm not mil or LE and they clearly work, so it doesn't matter if I carry one. I just find the CAT easier to use one handed.

>>18401
They don't work.
They're not approved.

Like, dudes have proved this on numerous occasions.
but alright.

  >>18402
>They don't work.
But they do. Vid related is evidence of that. Where's your evidence?
>They're not approved.
That's fine. I don't report to any group that say's I can't use them.

>>18402
They can work, if you use them right. They strike me as an utengart type thing. I don't wanna risk me or mine with em, but outsiders can get what they get. I mean fuck, hard to beat the size on that shit and the price is pretty good.

>>17741
is this still top of the line or have we advanced again that i did not know about?
http://www.galls.com/cgi/CGBCSTYL?PMSTYL=TE057

There was a really good thread on this back in the day. Think it was under outdoor/survival sadly. Long thread short, detection was the hardest part. Then followed by maintaining a decontamination/clean room.

Makes me wonder, in this age of worrying about flus, ebola, nuclear metldowns, dirty bombs, etc. (Sorry NSA) Where's our detection equipment? Sure, you can buy a gas mask, even a hazmat suit with it's own air supply. Unless you're intentionally going to expose yourself to danger or attending a rave. How would you know ahead of time to bring, or wear this gear?

Is there anything available to the public to detect these invisible threats?

  >>17817

Geiger counters, survey meters and dosimeters are a dime a dozen. The Gamma Scout seems to be quite popular.

As for detecting chemical and biological threats there's probably litmus paper type detectors available but I don't know how useful such a thing would be without protective kit and atropine.

>>17818
>>17817
Gas analyzers and tests exist, usually to indicate a GTFO type situation, though usually you are already in mopp before you go in so if you happen to detect exposure, you can protect yourself.

you can commercially buy
>multi gas analyzers
>radiation detection keychains (beep with dangerous levels)
>CBRN detection paper

but unless you dish out big bucks, you wont have passive air monitoring equipment unfortunately

even then, knowing the threat is there and being able to survive it are two different things. even if you are able to escape the immediate effects of the hazard, the damage may be done

another chemical threat that is not often discussed are civil unrest and pacification chemicals, OC spray and CS gas might be a threat if you live in a big city and there happens to be a riot. I like the creativity of south American protesters in their improvised and modified gas masks.

>>17817
>>17818
>>18307

I imagine that from a practical standpoint, the best detection feasible for the average Joe would be to live sufficiently far away from the nearest population center to use the denizens as canaries. "Outrunning the bear," etc.

https://www.lowamilitaryboots.com/

Lowa are mint by reputation.

I know this thread is 6 months old, but if anyone else is looking. Don't buy regular military style boots for proper personal equipment. They suck and will fuck up your feet. Even the "good ones" fucking suck by design. I would kill to be able to switch to a good 8 inch mountain/hunting boot where you can move fast as fuck boi but you wont immediately break your ankle mis stepping with a heavy ruck.

The lowas posted above look nice. I personally use Crispe and an old pair of solomons similiar in style to these lowas.

>>18313
I now want a rail adapter for a Tokarev, mount that and get a custom IWB hybrid holster for winter CCW....

>>18313
Will that Russian pistol light work on Sig P226, Glock 17/22, Beretta 92FS?

Those new Plates the Russians are using that Karl from InRange somehow got.

I want to know more about those if anyone has any deets

Anyone know of rifle lights they use that aren't Zenitdonk?