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11545 No. 11545 ID: 263d6c hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
10 THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN BUYING A GUN SAFE
Posted on April 12, 2011 by GunWorld
By Steve Quinlan http://www.gunworld.com/buyers-guides/accessories/10-things-to-consider-when-buying-a-gun-safe/
Gun safes protect guns and other valuables from theft and fire. Here are 10 things to consider before purchasing one.

In this economy, a gun safe is one of the wisest investments you can make. According to the FBI, guns top the list of stolen items thieves target in home burglaries. Alcohol, cigarettes and prescription medicine rank second, followed by video equipment (TVs, cameras and recorders). Stereo equipment comes in at No. 4, and rounding out the Top 5 are jewelry and cash. All of the above can be stored securely in a quality gun safe, protected not only from thieves, but from a catastrophic fire, as well.

If your main concern is protecting children from an accidental discharge or transporting guns safely within the home or vehicle, other options are available, such as quick-access pistol boxes and minimum-security safes and strongboxes. These allow you quick access to weapons in the event of a break-in, but do little to stop a determined thief.

A gun safe buys you time against thieves and fire. Most break-ins last 10 minutes or less, and a gun safe buys you time as police are dispatched. These break-ins are typically during business hours when no one’s home ”between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., and thieves don’t want to still be in the home when the police arrive.

Yet, generally speaking, the more security features a gun safe has, the better. Realistically, fire poses more of a threat to your guns than does theft. There is an average of nearly 400,000 residential fires annually, which translates to billions of dollars in property loss each year. Fireproof insulation is critical, and several types are available.

The more you know about the various theft- and fire-prevention features available for gun safes, the better informed you will be when purchasing a gun safe. Here are the six things you need to know about fire protection.
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>> No. 16567 ID: e7f332
>>14154

Dan Bilzerian should have had that on his safe.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/12/dan-bilzerian-los-angeles-cops-took-guns-without-w/?page=all
>> No. 16573 ID: 52ed6e
  >>15907
A seriously massive con of this is the mechanical override lock is a tubular lock which is ridiculously easy to pick if you own a $10 tubular lockpick.

If a safe has a wafer lock or a tubular lock, figure out a way to replace said lock with something actually good or buy something different. Wafer locks especially, you can pick those open with a screwdriver.
>> No. 16576 ID: 254d85
>>14154
>magnet

A engraved plaque of high-hardness stainless that can be welded or riveted on would be a far better option.
>> No. 16590 ID: 3254ec
>>12788
I just hope by then intra-stellar or even interstellar space travel is a thing so men yearning to be free can carve out their own corner of the system/galaxy (and eventually cleanse the eatrth with a kinetic kill vehicle)
>> No. 16591 ID: 3254ec
>>11560
The biggest problem I have with these kind of safes (couchsafe and bedsafe) is they are in the worst position for a crowbar/breaker bar attack, and it's not terribly effective concealment - it's something a hired home cleaner would easily run into.


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17825 No. 17825 ID: 6ef9f1 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Anyone have any idea who makes this jacket/knows of any similar products?
>> No. 17826 ID: 044fd0
Looks like something Mil-Tec would make.
>> No. 17827 ID: 6e9743
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17827
The brown lines resemble East German camouflage.
Strichmuster (line pattern) is a very simple pattern incorporating long, slender brown rain straits on a light greyish-green background. http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=East_Germany
- East German NVA belt buckle - Feldkoppel der Nationalen Volksarmee der DDR.
>> No. 17922 ID: 1a2172
I could have sworn I saw a pattern very similar to this on a jacket on either cabelas site or basspro.

Check those places. I almost bought it, I thought it looked very similar to the German rain camp or whatever it is.
>> No. 17925 ID: bd9939
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>>17922
Cabela's "Outfitter" camo maybe? henceforth referred to as outfitterflage. Lacks the East German style rain line thingies, but similar concept.


Their space space rain jackets are pretty bitchin for their purpose if you can get them on sale or ebay bee tee dubs. I wish they made them in gray or brown or something. I had to get one in their dorky new "Octane" camo to get it cheap.
>> No. 17960 ID: f11f4d
>>17825
I just want to say, I love the colors on that rifle.
They're a mess, but it looks like they end up working perfectly together out in scrub.


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17047 No. 17047 ID: 82edf9 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
Gear of the world wars.
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>> No. 17345 ID: d8acd0
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>> No. 17346 ID: d8acd0
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17346
And here's where you keep your 3-round half-moon clips.
>> No. 17936 ID: a5ad5d
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17936
Eh, I guess this is the best thread to post some WW2 photos.
Private First Class Troy Dixon, Leadhill, Arkansas, uses a Japanese barber chair to cut the hair of Sergeant John Anderson, Anita, Pennsylvania. Okinawa, June 1945.
http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?t=3918&start=4680
>> No. 17937 ID: a5ad5d
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17937
Pilot Officer Paton and Sergeant Pilot Crompton leaning on the barrel of a gun on a tank buster, Tunisia, May 1943.

Looks like a UK Hawker Hurricane with two 40mm anti-tank cannons.
>> No. 17950 ID: a5ad5d
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One of the twelve thousand goumiers in the French corps, irregular Berber tribesmen known for their agility and ruthlessness.


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17932 No. 17932 ID: 8abb7b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Why were Eastern Bloc helmets so retarded?
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>> No. 17945 ID: a5ad5d
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>> No. 17946 ID: a5ad5d
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17946
And this Swedish linjeinfanteri boiled leather helmet with brass doo-dads just screams trademark violation.
>> No. 17947 ID: a5ad5d
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17947
Ukrainian helmet bearing an iconic image of St. Michael and the Ukrainian crest.
Aim for Saint Mike; he won't mind and certainly won't intervene.
>> No. 17948 ID: b3839d
this helmet is clearly too small for that guy. Just imagine where it is sitting on his head. With the correct size Id imagine it would almost cover the ear.
>> No. 17949 ID: a5ad5d
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17949
Yeah, those East German helmets were big.


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16816 No. 16816 ID: 2ed649 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Getting real tired of my rucksack. I have a MOLLE ruck with the standard frame, and that shit keeps fucking with me after a while.

I've been thinking of getting another pack. A lot of guys, I've seen with ALICE packs, with the standard frame. It seems to work for them, and most of them are old-timers, so I pay attention to their opinions a bit more.

However, I've been looking at the 1606 frame. I have a spare MOLLE ruck that I'm able to modify to my heart's content. Anyone have experience with this? I know it says that it isn't the best frame for it, but I assume it's because the MOLLE ruck lacks the frame pocket at the top. I can always sew one in, or not, depending on how it works.

Or should I simply get an ALICE? In either case, I'd rather not have the metal frame. It looks pretty uncomfortable.
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>> No. 16820 ID: bd9939
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16820
Never tried the plastic frames, but I once built one of those "hellcat" alice packs using the "molle II" ruck kidney pad and shoulder straps. It still sucked, but it was much, much nicer than the original ALICE equipment, and worked as okayish as can be expected with a plate carrier. Still they're nothing but a money pit with little to no payoff.

Got the old 3 color desert stuff off of ebay for super cheap and dyed it. Came out kind of a blueish green, but it worked fine.

Seriously though, if you can save pennies and swing for a used/sale price Mystery Ranch, Kuiu, Kifaru, Hill People Gear etc. They will last for a long, long time and your body will thank you.
>> No. 16821 ID: 2ed649
>>16820
I'll probably save up for something like that for now, I'll try this frame as an improvement. Planning to keep the kidney belt and straps either way, but the ALICE looks like it takes too much work. I could get a MALICE pack, but at that point, I might just buy a high-quality rucksack.
>> No. 17893 ID: f36974
>>16820
you gotta really wrestle with alice packs to make em' fit right

you usually are gonna have to tighten the waist belt a little higher than normal than most packs

packing your gear correctly in an alice pack is absolutely essential

they can't handle much past 45 lbs unless you are packing them really really well

when you first put the alice pack on, tighten the shoulders and loosen the waist belt. Make sure the waist belt is sitting on top of your kidneys and hips. Then tighten the waist belt. Then loosen the shoulders so the frame goes near vertical. Keep playing with it that way until you feel the best distribution. Alice packs aren't gonna be like regular hiking packs, and their weight distribution (most people like 90% on hips 10% on shoulds or 80/20%) is gonna be 75/25% or maybe less

great for hunting in cold weather though cause no zippers but they aren't very waterproof
>> No. 17921 ID: 622449
>>16817
> not adapting molle II straps to your ALICE
>> No. 17940 ID: 880526
>>16820

I'm in the process of building a Devil Cat mod. The only difference is that I'm using a FILBE main pack instead of an ALICE. The only thing I'm waiting on is the frame, which should arrive over the weekend.


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17930 No. 17930 ID: 47660b hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Snek
>> No. 17931 ID: 95e359
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17931
I have actually started cruising kinder/k/ quite a bit to keep up with the patches being produces. Some of them are really god damn neat-o.
Forgive the animu.
Also here's a pastebin of the stores if you would like to browse the numerous stores. Woodptach, Crimson, and Skinwalker are of particular interest IMO.
http://pastebin.com/cXZTGafD


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17917 No. 17917 ID: 854024 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Dear Operators,

stupid fucking question to those who might have hands-on experience:

will this dropleg magazine panel: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eagle-Industries-UMP-3-Mag-Drop-Leg-Black-Duty-Pouch-SWAT-Police-FBI-LE-SMG-/152164899367?hash=item236dbc1a27:g:cD0AAOSwl-FXNMrh

hold MP5 magazines SECURELY? or due to larger size of UMP45 magazines the MP5 mags might just slip out under the loose flap (and most likely will)?
>> No. 17919 ID: 5fdcaa
I own the Eagle industries MP5 .40 3 mag drop leg pouch, it does hold the 9mm 33rd
Glock magazines securely.


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17882 No. 17882 ID: a28495 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Ok,

For practical purposes as a private citizen, would it be worth paying the extra money for Ceramic Level III armor or to get the Lightweight AR500 Level III+ with Pacxon double-coat? A lot of people bitch about frag/spalling but I've yet to see a single documented instance where AR500 with PaxCon base coat plus build up failed to contain fragmentation.
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>> No. 17892 ID: bd9939
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17892
If you're uncomfortable with it, I totally get it and appreciate your focus of more realistic threat rounds (m193,m855,m855a1 and m80 ball vs fucking AP .30-06). But most destructive testing on quality level IV plates (highcom, midwest armor, paraclete, etc) ends up with them taking multiple hits of 5.56 and 7.62 with no penetration and survivable back face deformation. Keep in mind why you're buying these things. Get something you are actually going to be able to keep on all day if needed. You are legitimately looking at lugging around 18+ pounds of steel while still having only front and back torso protection. My plates are "only" 13ish pounds and I still hate them. If you think you can deal, then cool beans.

I would and did choose to save weight buy going with still heavy 6.3 pound level IV highcom guardians for around $300. At the time I was going to order some spartan armor steel which is supposed to be superior to AR500, but midwest armor had a sale. Following the "must have" trend on arfcom, I bought a retarded Shellback Banshee carrier and suffered practicing in that monstrosity for a couple years before realizing I had equipped myself wrong as a civilian (or as anyone, because that is a terrible plate carrier simply due to the shoulder design). I realized I was far better off with a much lower profile loadout that was concealable under an overshirt in a pinch, but scaleable to be able to hold it's own when needed at least in conjunction with a supplementary chest rig or direct to armor platform. After some research I settled on a Ferro Concepts Slickster from the great white north and it is absolutely perfect for my needs. Highly recommend.

That being said, if I were starting over again, I would save every penny to buy lighter "3+" manufacturer rated plates. I have been equipping my wife with the most cutting edge, but simplified shit I can afford from gear to weapon so that she'll actually be able and willing to practice with it, keep up with me and maybe even back me up a little bit. I bought her some 4.5 pound target man branded ceramic spectra hybrids and they're absolutely amazing. Trying them out for myself I felt like Ned Flanders wearing nothing at all. I'll be saving a few months here to get my own set and delegate my level IV's as a vehicle set.

You see plates identical in specs to these under a few names including Grey Ghost Gear, but I believe they are just rebrands from one armor manufacturer. This was the cheapest set I could find that wasn't coming from a sketch looking place.
https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/level-iii-medium-9-25-x-12-5-ceramic-spectra-lightweight-advanced-set-of-two/


The practice of wearing armor only waned with the proliferation of firearms
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>> No. 17911 ID: 83051c
I've got some SAPI plates I picked up from a surplus store outside JBLM a few years ago I've been meaning to replace and suppliment with some soft stuff. Been looking at these and looks like it might be what you're looking for as well.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Level-3-PLUS-Ceramic.html
>> No. 17913 ID: bd9939
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>>17911
Proceed with caution with those. I desperately wanted them to be good because they're almost half the cost of competitive weight/rating, but none of this "independently lab verified" stuff has ever actually been shown on those particular plates, only on the crappy steel stuff. They're stuff is not listed on the NIJ website either. In fact I can't even find any "youtube testing" they make fun of on those actual plates.

A lot of stuff the owner says is gibberish and raises a few flags.
>> No. 17914 ID: 6ca38e
>>17913
If you contacted Armour Wear, the company that supplies Bulletproofme with those particular plates, you could have the certification information sent to you. But yeah, only their IIIA stuff is listed on the NIJ compliance site. Might be because that's the only product they've submitted for any government contracts or something? I dunno. But if you got the information, you could find out what lab did the testing and make a call based on that.

Bulletproofme is one of the oldest sites on the internet that has sold armor to civis, though. I have to imagine that they can't have stayed in business so long while making false claims as to the proofing of their products.

In any case, you make a good point. Researching what you plan to buy is never a bad move.
>> No. 17915 ID: 0b17af
Dude just go on eBay and pick up some plates. I just bought 4 ceramic plates for $330 shipped. Shop around for a while. You might be surprised at what you find on there.


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16251 No. 16251 ID: 7443a9 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Sup guys,

So one of the things I like to do is about once or twice a year is buy myself something nice...something pricey. I decided that this year is would be a watch. What I wanted was a basic manually wound mechanical watch. I spent a couple of months researching and finally decided on buying a Weiss Watch Co. Field Watch. I was going go with the slightly cheaper Hamilton field watch that fit the same criteria but I decided I wanted to help out the small American business more and I liked the Weiss's dial better.

The good:
Higher quality finish than I was expecting. Most pics online are of his first pieces and while he hasn't changed anything major in the design he has come a LONG way in the finishing of the watch.
The sapphire front and back. Not only are they super scratch resistant but being able to see the mechanism is pretty cool.
The weight is also something to comment on. For the size of this watch (42mm) it is light on my wrist.
Lastly while it comes close it is not too big for me to wear like most 42mm watches.

The bad:
No hacking seconds. I'm not sure you can actually call this a real field watch without that capability. On a TAC mission you HAVE to be within +/- 30seconds of your L-Hour or you can get yourself or other people killed. Not that we use wrist watches for timing that nowadays but I would have liked to actually do a time hack next brief I was in for the lulz. I guess for most people today it's a non issue but really it would be nice for historical accuracy.

The neutral:
He calls the movement the "Caliber 1001". I feel this is a bit dishonest. The movement is a ETA UNITAS 6497 that he disassembles, polishes, etches, and "modifies" (not that I can find what that entails anywhere. But I honestly don't care enough to ask) before reassembling & regulating. I think he should hold off on the naming before he reaches his stated goal of making his own movements.
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17390
It wears equally nice on a NATO as well. I plan on eventually getting the Sinn bracelet or a deployment clasp rubber.
>> No. 17418 ID: 818111
My Stocker and Yale "mickey mouse" watch died.

Had it since tech. Who can get it working? Tritium is long dead, if that matters.
>> No. 17422 ID: bec165
>>17418

Any competent watch maker should be able to help you out.
>> No. 17423 ID: f87148
>>17388

Fuck me, I could look at automatics' asses all damn day.

I just got a Seiko 5 about six months ago, and for ~$70, I couldn't be happier. I'll post photos when I get a halfway decent camera.
>> No. 17912 ID: 1d4d8c
>>16251
What band is that?


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17894 No. 17894 ID: 4c768d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Any ideas what he has attached to his under barrel?
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>> No. 17898 ID: c5dfe3
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17898
The first version of the People Sniffer was the XM-2 personnel detector man-pack (also known as the E63 man-pack personnel detector). The XM-2 consisted of a backpack-mounted sensor, coupled with an air intake tube mounted on the end of a M16 rifle. Deployed during 1967, reports are that the XM-2 was often a bit too sensitive, and would only pick up the sweat odors of its user. This, coupled with the rather loud “ticka-ticka-ticka” noise that sensor made while in use rather gave the whole game away. Understandably, troops were uncomfortable carrying a heavy noisemaker into an ambush zone. So the XM-2 man-portable system gave way to the much more powerful XM-3 airborne platform, normally mounted on a helicopter. The XM-3 delivered much better results, although the Viet Cong eventually learned ways to deceive the device’s ability to detect sweat, urine and campfire smoke.

If you can find an XM-2 “personnel detector” out there somewhere, it will make a great accessory for your vintage M16A1 rifle—granted you can find one of those.
>> No. 17899 ID: c5dfe3
  U.S. soldier with E63 personnel detector, receives maintenance assistance from another soldier in the field. https://youtu.be/ZdHyKPTHgVs

A US Army 1st Air Cavalry Division soldier equipped with an E63 personnel detector manpack, advances through a jungle area during training in Ankhe, South Vietnam. He signals to his buddy, that his E63 is malfunctioning. He assumes an alert defensive posture, as his buddy opens the manpack and checks its internal components. Interior view of the E63 shows air transport fan and chemicals. Location: Ankhe South Vietnam. Date: February 1, 1967.
>> No. 17900 ID: c5dfe3
  US Army 1st Air Cavalry Division soldier with an E63 personnel detector, in Ankhe, South Vietnam. https://youtu.be/4kGpf9W5s3c

A US 1st Air Cavalry Division soldier equipped with an E63 (XM-2) personnel detector manpack. The E63 intake tube is mounted to the barrel of his M-16 rifle and a signal cord runs from the backpack to a speaker under his helmet. The soldier advances slowly through an area of heavy brush, during training in Ankhe, South Vietnam. Another soldier moves in the background. Location: Ankhe South Vietnam. Date: January 31, 1966.
>> No. 17901 ID: c5dfe3
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I prefer this Vietnam War-era personnel detector.
>> No. 17902 ID: c5dfe3
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17902
Inexpensive to produce, but the training costs are high.


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