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16816 No. 16816 ID: 2ed649
Getting real tired of my rucksack. I have a MOLLE ruck with the standard frame, and that shit keeps fucking with me after a while.

I've been thinking of getting another pack. A lot of guys, I've seen with ALICE packs, with the standard frame. It seems to work for them, and most of them are old-timers, so I pay attention to their opinions a bit more.

However, I've been looking at the 1606 frame. I have a spare MOLLE ruck that I'm able to modify to my heart's content. Anyone have experience with this? I know it says that it isn't the best frame for it, but I assume it's because the MOLLE ruck lacks the frame pocket at the top. I can always sew one in, or not, depending on how it works.

Or should I simply get an ALICE? In either case, I'd rather not have the metal frame. It looks pretty uncomfortable.
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My first "real" outdoor pack was a surplus ALICE with the metal frame. Compared the jamming a Jansport school bag with junk it was great, but we've come a ways in backpack ergonomics in the following decades.

I now use an REI Mars that I bought on ebay for about $85. The difference is night and day and the ALICE has been deprecated to a Bug Out Bag gear holder (I'd transfer it to the Mars time allowing).

The problems with the ALICE, from biggest to smallest are:
- Weight of the metal frame itself
- Leverage from gear sticking too far back and not stacked
- Chest strap (or absence there of)
- Unmodified straps make getting in and out a little bit of a pain.

I would encourage you to check out Craigslist or eBay for a modern hiking bag from and mid- to high range maker. You can probably find something in good condition for maybe $20 more that you won't curse 5 miles in.
>> No. 16818 ID: 2ed649
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>>16817
I can't really use the commercial stuff. It's not really allowed, you see.

I have seen one guy with a mystery ranch ruck, but I'm not rich, so I'm trying to just improve what I have.

I was thinking of a setup similar to pic related or simply using the frame on my other rucksack.
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Never tried the plastic frames, but I once built one of those "hellcat" alice packs using the "molle II" ruck kidney pad and shoulder straps. It still sucked, but it was much, much nicer than the original ALICE equipment, and worked as okayish as can be expected with a plate carrier. Still they're nothing but a money pit with little to no payoff.

Got the old 3 color desert stuff off of ebay for super cheap and dyed it. Came out kind of a blueish green, but it worked fine.

Seriously though, if you can save pennies and swing for a used/sale price Mystery Ranch, Kuiu, Kifaru, Hill People Gear etc. They will last for a long, long time and your body will thank you.
>> No. 16821 ID: 2ed649
>>16820
I'll probably save up for something like that for now, I'll try this frame as an improvement. Planning to keep the kidney belt and straps either way, but the ALICE looks like it takes too much work. I could get a MALICE pack, but at that point, I might just buy a high-quality rucksack.
>> No. 17893 ID: f36974
>>16820
you gotta really wrestle with alice packs to make em' fit right

you usually are gonna have to tighten the waist belt a little higher than normal than most packs

packing your gear correctly in an alice pack is absolutely essential

they can't handle much past 45 lbs unless you are packing them really really well

when you first put the alice pack on, tighten the shoulders and loosen the waist belt. Make sure the waist belt is sitting on top of your kidneys and hips. Then tighten the waist belt. Then loosen the shoulders so the frame goes near vertical. Keep playing with it that way until you feel the best distribution. Alice packs aren't gonna be like regular hiking packs, and their weight distribution (most people like 90% on hips 10% on shoulds or 80/20%) is gonna be 75/25% or maybe less

great for hunting in cold weather though cause no zippers but they aren't very waterproof
>> No. 17921 ID: 622449
>>16817
> not adapting molle II straps to your ALICE
>> No. 17940 ID: 880526
>>16820

I'm in the process of building a Devil Cat mod. The only difference is that I'm using a FILBE main pack instead of an ALICE. The only thing I'm waiting on is the frame, which should arrive over the weekend.
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