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17752 No. 17752 ID: 1e7323
Reading a little about Russian forces and found they abandoned footwraps in the late 2000's[1]. I found that a little surprising so I looked up why. Is it crazy to use a footwrap in lieu of modern socks for thinks like hiking and camping? Did the Russians hold on to it for traditions sake or are us spoiled westerners with our fancy industry missing out?

Pros[2]:
- They are easy to wash and they dry quickly
- One universal "size" fits the foot of any adult human
- They can be disinfected by boiling and ironing without suffering any damage.
- There is no need to search for a mate to form a pair.
- They can be easily fabricated in the field from most any material at hand.
- They can continue to be safely used after localized wear by simply shifting to an area without holes or tears.
- They are extremely durable, especially when fabricated from wool or felt.

Cons:
- Can cause blisters
- Socks are cheap

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jan/16/russian-soldiers-replacing-foot-wraps-socks
[2] http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/portyanki/
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>> No. 17753 ID: 1e7323
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17753
Finnish fusslappen method:
http://www.dererstezug.com/Fusslappen.htm
>> No. 17754 ID: 1e7323
  Example of a Russian soldier putting on footwraps.
>> No. 17755 ID: 1e7323
  One last video explaining footwraps.
>> No. 17758 ID: b86cd3
Consider that Western armies had switched to socks as far back as the Napoleonic wars, even in provincial backwaters like the US, and you will find your answer.
>> No. 17759 ID: 7e7763
>>17758
western armies also use antibiotics instead of bacteriophage to treat bacterial diseases. antibiotics are losing effectiveness, bacteriophage are not.

just because we made a decision doesn't mean it was the correct one
>> No. 17760 ID: 43f860
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>>17759
Troubling thing about treating bacterial infections with viruses that attack the bacteria is that viruses tend to mutate and occasionally will be able to go after the host species.

- CHRISTMAS - ARMY STYLE 1941. A rifle rack gains new utility as Pvts. Kotula and Queen hang their socks on rifles in the rack which is directly in the center of the squad room. "Santa will have to stumble into this, so he can't miss our socks." Camp Lee, Virginia, Quartermaster Replacement Center. December 1941.
>> No. 17761 ID: 43f860
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History of Russian Footwear http://www.sovietboots.com/content/11-history-
>> No. 17766 ID: b86cd3
>>17759
Phage treatments were and are mainly used to treat infections that don't respond to antibiotics, as they are very specific and only target one or two strains, and according to Russian statistics only have a 50% effectiveness.

But still, you missed my point. By the early 1800s mechanical production of textiles in the west was in full swing. In 1803 there were 2,500 powered looms in the UK, 20 years later there were 15,000. Comparatively Russia didn't abolish slavery/serfdom until 1861 (and was the only European country to openly aid the US against the Confederacy, sending fleets to winter in American harbors to deter France and the UK from supporting the Confederacy) and as the old yarn goes, "Stalin started with a country that used wooden ploughs and left it with tractors and atomic piles." Russia wasn't a industrialized country until recently, and it takes time to break the underclasses from the inertia of tradition. I wouldn't be surprised if by the 80s most contract soldiers (eg, non-conscripts) simply bought their own socks.
>> No. 17769 ID: 3e0c42
I'll stick to socks, less chance of hotspots or lumps forming compared to a friggin cloth wrapped around your foot.
>> No. 17816 ID: 5a1acb
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17816
They obviously had their place, in the form of improvised socks.

You pretty much made the point, socks are cheap, don't usually cause blisters. Oh and their about 10x quicker to put on, they don't come undone, and they usually don't shift and bunch; if they do, you can pull them up without taking your shoes off.

I'm actually surprised they even lasted past the 60s. I suppose they could be a bit more minimalist than socks, but that's about the only real advantage.

All clothes started as forms of wrapping or draping cuts of cloth. If you look at history, you can see it evolve. From tunics and kilts, to shirt and pants. Capes are coats. Foot wraps are socks. Leg wraps to legging.

Even in America, it hasn't totally died out. Wrapping bandanas is still popular in certain groups and scarves in cold weather. Can't forget, women in certain cultures also still wrap their entire heads.

It's really just an archaic practice, but as they say in the south "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The upgrade to socks being extremely marginal, I can see it being an issue that was simply never addressed.
>> No. 17819 ID: 9ce3e0
>>17816
This might be my autism speaking, but I kind of wish capes didn't die out.

I can keep much warmer with a wrap and my arms close to my torso than I can with just a jacket alone.

I've thought about getting a Mexican poncho for this reason. If it gets real cold, it's a welcome additional lair at the cost of looking like a hipster.
>> No. 17820 ID: 19518e
>>17819
>This might be my autism speaking, but I kind of wish capes didn't die out.

I know the feeling, I often get some small pangs of autistic sadness at how smallswords and such went out of fashion.
>> No. 17821 ID: 044fd0
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>>17819

When I'm camping I'll often take a GI wool blanket, fold the narrow end down about 6 or 8 inches or so to form a collar and fasten it at the neck with a large safety pin. I find this quite cozy.

Alternatively you could find yourself an Afghan Patu.
>> No. 17823 ID: 5a1acb
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>>17819
I feel you. Sometimes I wish I could dress more like pic related.

Capes could make a comeback. The modern wardrobe is just designed for fashion anyways, often at the cost of function and comfort. Superheros and medieval fantasy are popular these days.

Look at jeans, they're inferior to other options in nearly every aspect. They're heavy, sponge like, restrictive, average to high in cost, even the pockets suck to use.

Maybe the sock is better than the foot wrap, but I'm sure we make some functionally poor choices else where. If you still think jeans are great, try on a pair of high heels.
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For winter camping I've sewn a full on cloak out of old wool blankets. When it's 5 degrees and you're sleeping in the middle of the woods, who really gives a crap how you're dressed? It's heavy, sure, but so much dead air. Like small swords and capes, they aren't any less effective, just less... socially acceptable.
>> No. 17834 ID: fb3bdd
>>17820
You can't cut a main in twain with a smallsword!
>> No. 17890 ID: 5556d0
>>17834
Pox to that. Nary a need to have a man cloven in twide whenas smallsword thro his offal.

I wonder how many litfags that mess will piss off. Probably all of them.


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