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17882 No. 17882 ID: a28495
Ok,

For practical purposes as a private citizen, would it be worth paying the extra money for Ceramic Level III armor or to get the Lightweight AR500 Level III+ with Pacxon double-coat? A lot of people bitch about frag/spalling but I've yet to see a single documented instance where AR500 with PaxCon base coat plus build up failed to contain fragmentation.
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>> No. 17883 ID: 044fd0
Level IV ceramic plates are hardly more expensive than AR500 these days.

https://uspalm.com/product/level-iv-hard-armor-plate/
>> No. 17885 ID: a28495
>>17883

I don't want level IV protection. Level III or higher is what I'd like to have.
>> No. 17886 ID: a28495
What I mean is LVIV plates aren't tested for multihit standards. The NIJ ratings aren't progressive. Looking for Level III or "III+"
>> No. 17887 ID: 044fd0
>>17886

Well in that case I suppose AR500 would be alright. Personally I wrapped mine up in kevlar from a PASGT flak jacket on top of the anti-spall coating, just in case.
>> No. 17892 ID: bd9939
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If you're uncomfortable with it, I totally get it and appreciate your focus of more realistic threat rounds (m193,m855,m855a1 and m80 ball vs fucking AP .30-06). But most destructive testing on quality level IV plates (highcom, midwest armor, paraclete, etc) ends up with them taking multiple hits of 5.56 and 7.62 with no penetration and survivable back face deformation. Keep in mind why you're buying these things. Get something you are actually going to be able to keep on all day if needed. You are legitimately looking at lugging around 18+ pounds of steel while still having only front and back torso protection. My plates are "only" 13ish pounds and I still hate them. If you think you can deal, then cool beans.

I would and did choose to save weight buy going with still heavy 6.3 pound level IV highcom guardians for around $300. At the time I was going to order some spartan armor steel which is supposed to be superior to AR500, but midwest armor had a sale. Following the "must have" trend on arfcom, I bought a retarded Shellback Banshee carrier and suffered practicing in that monstrosity for a couple years before realizing I had equipped myself wrong as a civilian (or as anyone, because that is a terrible plate carrier simply due to the shoulder design). I realized I was far better off with a much lower profile loadout that was concealable under an overshirt in a pinch, but scaleable to be able to hold it's own when needed at least in conjunction with a supplementary chest rig or direct to armor platform. After some research I settled on a Ferro Concepts Slickster from the great white north and it is absolutely perfect for my needs. Highly recommend.

That being said, if I were starting over again, I would save every penny to buy lighter "3+" manufacturer rated plates. I have been equipping my wife with the most cutting edge, but simplified shit I can afford from gear to weapon so that she'll actually be able and willing to practice with it, keep up with me and maybe even back me up a little bit. I bought her some 4.5 pound target man branded ceramic spectra hybrids and they're absolutely amazing. Trying them out for myself I felt like Ned Flanders wearing nothing at all. I'll be saving a few months here to get my own set and delegate my level IV's as a vehicle set.

You see plates identical in specs to these under a few names including Grey Ghost Gear, but I believe they are just rebrands from one armor manufacturer. This was the cheapest set I could find that wasn't coming from a sketch looking place.
https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/level-iii-medium-9-25-x-12-5-ceramic-spectra-lightweight-advanced-set-of-two/


The practice of wearing armor only waned with the proliferation of firearms, it's interesting how many people are afraid of the concept now that it's actually viable again.
>> No. 17911 ID: 83051c
I've got some SAPI plates I picked up from a surplus store outside JBLM a few years ago I've been meaning to replace and suppliment with some soft stuff. Been looking at these and looks like it might be what you're looking for as well.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/RP-Level-3-PLUS-Ceramic.html
>> No. 17913 ID: bd9939
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>>17911
Proceed with caution with those. I desperately wanted them to be good because they're almost half the cost of competitive weight/rating, but none of this "independently lab verified" stuff has ever actually been shown on those particular plates, only on the crappy steel stuff. They're stuff is not listed on the NIJ website either. In fact I can't even find any "youtube testing" they make fun of on those actual plates.

A lot of stuff the owner says is gibberish and raises a few flags.
>> No. 17914 ID: 6ca38e
>>17913
If you contacted Armour Wear, the company that supplies Bulletproofme with those particular plates, you could have the certification information sent to you. But yeah, only their IIIA stuff is listed on the NIJ compliance site. Might be because that's the only product they've submitted for any government contracts or something? I dunno. But if you got the information, you could find out what lab did the testing and make a call based on that.

Bulletproofme is one of the oldest sites on the internet that has sold armor to civis, though. I have to imagine that they can't have stayed in business so long while making false claims as to the proofing of their products.

In any case, you make a good point. Researching what you plan to buy is never a bad move.
>> No. 17915 ID: 0b17af
Dude just go on eBay and pick up some plates. I just bought 4 ceramic plates for $330 shipped. Shop around for a while. You might be surprised at what you find on there.
>> No. 18214 ID: 526c53
Any idea about eastern bloc soft vests and plates?


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