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17965 No. 17965 ID: 632b3e
Here's a thread I've been meaning to make for a while.

What are the best ways to carry for hiking and camping? Obviously due to the nature of the activity the gear overlaps with military and hunting stuff, but I've actually been trying to get away from overtly tactical or modern military looking gear at least for casual jaunts. For deeper backwoods trips aesthetics is immaterial.

Currently, I just use my regular G-code OSH holster for my Glock 20. The drawbacks of this are:

1. No retention
2. Belt positioning interferes with hip straps for packs
3. No concealment
4. No room in holster for weapon light

The pros are if I did need to draw it would be fast and very similar to my regular CC and competition muscle memory.

Ideally, I'd like a solution that allows for a reasonable degree of retention, like maybe a flap as you'd see on a hunting holster. Arranged in a way that doesn't interfere with packs, and can fit the TLR-2 G I just ordered.

More in the first reply.
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>> No. 17966 ID: 632b3e
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So, the second component of course is how to carry when camping.

Moving around the campsite itself of course is quite easy, just carry normally in an OWB holster.

But what to do when you're sleeping? I hammock camp almost exclusively, and have tried a few methods including having it in the top of my pack which is hung on one tree closer to my head, on my camp stool right next to me, and once - hanging from the ridgeline of my hammock.

The ridgeline method is probably the worst, because I know at least once I've been woken up by a bug on my face and started slapping aimlessly which dislodged my phone, wallet, and flashlight from their pouch on the ridgeline and I didn't realize it until I woke up for real the next morning. That'd be less than ideal if a bear or methed out redneck started munching on me late at night and instead of being accessible my gat is underneath my sleeping bag or some shit.

If I do use a tent, that obv. simplifies things quite a bit since it can just be wherever in arms reach.

Pic related, a common setup for me, though usually I hang a bit higher.
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some camping pics for flavor
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The last pic is why I bother talking about concealment at all.

The closest places to hike and camp to me are Shenandoah National Park, George Washington National Forest, and Thomas Jefferson National Forest. These are all well traveled by a combination of DC yuppies and rural virginia/west virginia hill people.

One subset doesn't care if you have a gun, in fact they usually for some reason have shit tons of bladed and pointed weapons like some kind of hunter gatherer tribe.

The other subset has been known to call the park emergency number to report "man with a gun" - even if they are fully aware it's legal to carry, they just want to stir shit up.
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Dangerous critters one encounters hiking around here.
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typical campsite setup
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Typical campsite view
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all clouds and shit
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Bears. Not terribly dangerous, until they are. I've never run into one that was aggressive past me yelling at them to go away, but it apparently happens, and if you have a dog with you, they might try to get it and run away. Can't have that.
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Terrifying creatures, really.
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75% of the time I'm in the woods I have a .308 Tikka if it's spring/fall bear or general hunting season, or an Ithaca 37 loaded with slugs if I'm feeling sporty on a scouting trip in some of the uglier shit that might harbor that one douche bag grizzly bear.

On those other occasions for now I think I've settled on finally putting my Hill People Gear recon kit pouch to use with my glock 19 w/inforce APL and bear spray on my belt as a primary resort for critters due to being more effective in that application. I would definitely like to figure out a less obtrusive way to carry the spray. I hate having to have so many straps overlapping, but so far this is the best system I can muster.

Previously I've carried my Kahr CM9 as per usual in a pocket holster and it just sucked going up hills. Restricts movement, digs in and is just annoying when going...up.

I have been really wanting to get a glock 20 or possibly just a 29 for bear country as a viable "situation is extremely hostile" last ditch defense, but I'm just not ready to invest in another caliber yet. Hopefully this is the year as I'm going to try going hard for an elk with my recurve in September.
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Sh-Sh-SHAAA sneak attack!

I wish they made these in blue or something in an attempt to hide what's probably in there a little better.

It's kind of like a smelly old bubba with a fanny pack. You totally know that he's got a Taurus in there.
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I'm kind of at a loss for shelters right now. I have a half moon designs Skyscape scout and while it's a totally solid ultralight setup....I just hate it.

It's not their fault at all. The design is built for a specific purpose/niche and I'm just lazy, I don't use trekking poles so I use the carbon fiber poles they sell (which they gave to me when they ran out of aluminum ones that I had ordered, because they're awesomesauce bananas as a company). I don't like having to put in stakes just to have a usable shelter.

I will definitely be sucking up the extra couple ounces and be buying a freestanding ultralight tent soon and keep the other one for emergencies. Probably something from Big Agnes, but we'll see.

I also froze my ass off when the real cold came in my older Mountain Hardware ultralamina 15 before they switched to the better insulation) sleeping bag on the prairie last November(. I mean holy jesus I've never been so cold in my life. Again, probably going to get a Big Agnes since I can get them cheap.
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>>17978

I've seen that pack and it's a frequent recommendation. My only gripe is that I sweat... a lot... and a thing on my chest is going to be sweat collection city.

Also yes I wish they made a more "civilian" looking version.

Part of the reason I am trying to move away from the tactical gear look is that SEVERAL times I have been mistaken for a Forest Service cop and had people scatter into the woods when they saw me and/or try to hide their weed. I'd like to be able to roll up on a redneck encampment without inciting utter panic.
>> No. 17981 ID: 632b3e
>>17979

If you're going places with trees, hammock cannot be beat. You need an ultralight air pad and an underquilt. Between those and your sleeping bag you will be a toasty little cocoon.
>> No. 17982 ID: 6ca38e
Well, you can always grab a G-Code SOC and one of their RTI drop platforms. Plus the cowling for the light. At that point, though, you're nearly $200 into it.

Alternately, a Safariland ALS holster and a low ride Universal Belt loop is also an option. I carry a Glock 19 with a TLR-1, and this is the setup I use when I'm hunting and it works really well for me. Drops low enough to clear the waist strap on the day pack I wear when I go out, but doesn't flop around or otherwise impede movement the way a drop leg rig does. I also think you can get an RTI wheel for the UBL to use your existing G-Code holster with it. You'd still be shelling a good $150 or so for the SOC and light cowling, though. I think there's also RTI mounts you can put on Safariland holsters to use your existing RTI wheels. Not sure though.

And yeah, I realize none of this does a good job of addressing your concealment concerns. In fact it'd likely exacerbate them a little. But, a few options for solving the other 3 shortcomings you've mentioned.

ALS Holster:
https://www.amazon.com/Safariland-Insight-Procyon-Concealment-Holster/dp/B005BNIEZO?th=1
UBL with 1.5" drop:
https://www.amazon.com/6075-1-50-Drop-Universal-Belt/dp/B000MF48C4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487570466&sr=8-2&keywords=safariland+universal+belt+loop


Alternately, something a little less rigid but with some drop:
https://www.amazon.com/Safariland-Drop-Flex-Adaptor-black/dp/B0038RNQ58/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487570534&sr=8-2&keywords=safariland+drop+flex+adapter

Also you can get the QLS kit for moving the holster from one rig to another as needed without having to tear the whole belt apart, or switch between holsters on the same belt. Same idea as the RTI.
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When I went hiking around, I packed a snake gun which is a double barrel derringer loaded with .410 birdshot or .45 Colt when in cougar or bear country.
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But bear mace seems to be an effective alternate.
Does bear spray really work? The answer is a qualified “YES,” according to Stephen Herrero, Ph.D., author of “Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance” and professor of environmental science, University of Calgary, Alberta.
Dr. Herrero, a noted researcher of bear behavior and attacks, along with Andrew Higgins, a university colleague, examined 66 field cases in which various brands of bear spray were used on black and grizzly bears that displayed behavior ranging from overly curious to actively aggressive toward humans. They concluded that, “while we don’t know how these encounters would have ended in the absence of spray, the use…appears to have prevented injury in most cases,” Dr. Herrero says.
Dr. Herrero, other bear experts, and even bear spray manufacturers agree on one important point: Bear spray is a last resort after all other appropriate precautions–storing food in bearproof containers, keeping a clean camp, making lots of noise while hiking, steering clear of areas with fresh bear scat or digs–have failed.

Look for a bear spray that:
* Is labeled “for deterring attacks by bears.” Avoid products labeled for use against humans because they won’t have the firepower you need.
* Contains 1 to 2 percent capsaicin and related capsaicinoids, with a net weight of at least 225 grams or 7.9 ounces-this is considered the minimum effective size.
* Is derived from oleoresin of capsicum (OC), the only currently EPA-approved active ingredient.
* Is registered with the EPA to ensure compliance with standards for active ingredients and performance.
* Delivers a shotgun-cloud pattern. Less-expensive, less-effective sprays often come out in a stream, rather than in a cloud pattern that you don’t have to aim as exactly. All EPA-registered sprays have a cloud pattern. https://www.pepperspraycenter.com/newblog/bear-spray-please-read-this-article-it-might-save-your-life/
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>>17982

I've been perusing safariland. There may be a solution there.

>>17987

I could get into bear spray, but carrying around pressurized cans always makes me paranoid that they will burst in the car for some reason.

Anyway, to the point of this update. I got my anti redneck bear light and laser combo and let me tell you, this shit is legit.

I will be the first to say, Streamlight's HL lights are NOT SUITABLE FOR INDOOR USE. No matter what anyone says, take it from me... I have a whole 8 or 10 hours of low-light pistol training under my belt and using this light indoors will probably get you killed.

That said, it's nifty as shit.
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>> No. 17993 ID: 632b3e
  hard to capture on video, but the 800 lumen light reflects off all the things, it would rape your night vision no matter how much you think you're prepared for it. Watch the camera try to compensate.

The strobe is lulzy. This will disorient you as much as an intruder.
>> No. 17994 ID: a65882
>he just HAD to have a damn laser

Think you're pretty much stuck with a bale now if you want a holster with retention. A brief perusal of the interwebs didn't show me anything with active retention that'd fit your setup without one.
>> No. 17995 ID: 632b3e
>>17994

Right, or a holster design that isn't molded, there are a few that would work.
>> No. 17996 ID: 6ca38e
>>17995
>holster design that isn't molded

feh
>> No. 17997 ID: 6c937c
>>17996

There are also a billion shops that do custom kydex
>> No. 17998 ID: 632b3e
  Found this.
>> No. 18032 ID: 3f7131
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I own one of the Hill People gear chest pouches and I like it. Went winter camping last weekend and I packed the non-freezable things in it (batteries, water filter, etc.), snacks, map and gun.

Only downside is in very cold weather if you're layering on and off your coat, you end up with your outer layer covering it so if you don't have slack the coat might be tight (mine wasn't). For most of the hike or in better weather it'll be sitting on the outside where you can readily get to useful kit. I slept with it in the bag to keep the critical things above freezing and it did not get in the way.

Check the dimensions before ordering if you're getting one of the smaller versions. My M&P9c fits comfortably in the original one, but the smaller ones it'd be very tight.
>> No. 18034 ID: 632b3e
>>18032

All things considered it seems best, I just know I'm going to hate the sweat under it through the summer and fall
>> No. 18049 ID: bec165
Safariland ALS are outstanding for a retention holster, allow for a very natural draw. Utilizing the QLS, you could have one on your belt, another woven through molle webbing on a pack, or attached somehow inside the pack (not having a gun flopping around in a bag is good), I've even seem some people put them in their cars to be able to pop the gun off their hip and stick it under the dash.

KT-Mech does an interesting molded kydex but with a spring loaded retention hood as well as the usual friction retention, they would be able to accommodate a Glock 20/TLR-2.

And when Raven Concealment takes orders again, they do actually have a retention option that utilizes a Pull The Dot strap (which are nifty little things).


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