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18405 No. 18405 ID: 7e6a19
Went through the trouble of taking some pics so might as well put them up here for later reference. The setup is as follows:

>Dark as Fuck basement
>GSCI PVS-14C manual gain 4G Elite Onyx Plus White Phosphor FoM 2300+
>ZenitCo Perst-3 dual visible/IR tactical laser designator with IR illuminator
>ZenitCo Klesh gen.3 2IKS+Laser tactical IR illuminator with IR laser
>a very confused cellphone camera that doesn't have a millionth of the dynamic range required for this particular task even with HDR on

The two devices are pretty different. The Klesh is more of a little WML with a laser, a bit like a Streamlight TLR except there are no visible beamz coming out of it. The Klesh is all IR and is useless if you do not have NODs. The laser can be turned on/off, the light can be turned on/off, there's a strobe mode for giving your NOD an autogating workout.

https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-2ikslaser-klesh-tactical-ir-illuminator-with-ir-laser/

The Perst is closer to the more common offerings like DBALs, PEQs, and so on. The Perst-3 has a visible laser, IR laser, IR illuminator, power settings can be set independently. The IR illuminator can be focused and has a diffuser cap.

https://ivantactical.com/shop/weapon-accessories/flashlights-and-accessories/flashlights/zenitco-perst-3-dual-visible-ir-tactical-laser-designator-with-ir-illuminator/
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>> No. 18406 ID: 7e6a19
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Starting with the Perst-3, IR light only with diffuser on. Minimum power on the light, minimum gain on the NOD. Cellphone camera isn't struggling too bad here, just doesn't quite show the sharpness of the Onyx tube and it did color the WP a little green.
>> No. 18407 ID: 7e6a19
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Perst-3, diffused IR illuminator and laser on, both minimum power, laser dot can be seen on the floor. NOD still on minimum gain.
>> No. 18408 ID: 7e6a19
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Raising the Perst-3 power actually meant I had to put the daytime cap on the PVS-14.
>> No. 18409 ID: 7e6a19
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The cellphone is struggling hard here, daytime cap is on and PVS-14 gain is at maximum, with the Perst-3 on minimum power again. The dynamic range of eyeballs is impressive, everything can be seen fine when not looking through a little phone camera.
>> No. 18410 ID: 7e6a19
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Klesh time now. Full power laser only. Yes, just the splash from the laser is just nuking the room.
>> No. 18411 ID: 7e6a19
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Klesh with illuminator only, it doesn't have a diffuser so it's a bright spot with a bit of splash.
>> No. 18412 ID: 7e6a19
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Klesh light and laser, the laser again is washed out because cellphone camera. I'll have to take pictures outside sometime to show the differences at long range and also show what the Perst illuminator does without a diffuser.

That's it for now.
>> No. 18413 ID: 6fe1bd
welp I'm retarded, the Klesh comes with a pressure pad that has a dial to set laser and illuminator power. This makes a pretty strong case for the Klesh as an IR las/illum device for an SBR type of setup, even if sighting in the Klesh will be a bit more of a pain since it has to be done in night vision. More NOD Perst/Klesh comparison stuff coming soon.
>> No. 18415 ID: 58727a
Looking good! Cellphone pics through NODs are always a bit tricky.
>> No. 18422 ID: 7e6a19
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Fuck it was cold so things won't be as sharp as they should. There were some frozen fingers involved.

Perst, illuminator off, laser at weakest setting pointed at the middle tree. Trees are about 250 yards out.
>> No. 18423 ID: 7e6a19
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Perst, illuminator off, laser at max setting.
>> No. 18424 ID: 7e6a19
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Perst, laser off, illuminator focus set to almost widest setting (diffuser cap off), illuminator at weakest setting. The phone camera is unable to show the illuminator focus at narrow settings, it just looks like a laser through the phone.

The narrow focus setting is very useful for aiming at stuff 400-800 yards away through a scope. The illumination reaches out and really allows you to see stuff at very long ranges through scopes. At more diffuse settings like this, it's great for 100-400 yards without magnification. It's a shame that I can't fucking get anything to line up well enough to take pictures, I'd need five hands and three fucking tripods.
>> No. 18425 ID: 7e6a19
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Illumination at medium, focus medium, laser on at high setting. Perst can reach out there no problem, illuminating and pointing into the far trees. It can actually do more, but the camera just shows a useless bright spot. Through a optic, I do need to bump the illumination to max as optics do reduce visible brightness, but it is scary good. At 6 power I could see bushes in the shadow of the treeline over 800 yards away.
>> No. 18426 ID: 7e6a19
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Klesh at full everything. No ability to focus the illum or diffuse the illum unless you made/put something on the lens.
>> No. 18427 ID: 7e6a19
In conclusion, get the klesh if you want something cheap that provides you IR only illumination/laser up to about 300 yards. It's cheaper, smaller, lighter, has less features, has limitations and lacks some versatility. Indoors, you'll have to fiddle with the small buttons to drop power on illumination and laser brightness. Outdoors, you'll struggle to reach out at longer ranges, especially through optics. No visible anything so sighting in has to be done in night vision and the sighting in process is done with allen keys and shit, it's a bit of a pain. Still, the klesh is a fantastic little package on an SBR or PCC if you never expect to really need to extra features of the Perst.

The Perst is a much more standard unit like a PEQ, LAM, MAWL, or DBAL. It's got illumination you can focus for long range outdoor work, and a diffuser cap for very quick and easy indoor flood illumination. Controls are easy to select with a chunky knob, it has a visible laser for sighting in. Much better choice for a proper carbine.

Regardless, if you're in the states I'm not sure why you'd go with these Zenitco things over the aforementioned units. Shipping times from russia are long, I have no idea what the warranty process would be like, and there's some crudeness to the Zenitco stuff. They're a little heavy, and there's various little details about them like how the laser "splashes" and the illumination is a little asymmetrical. PEQ, LAM, DBAL, and MAWL are just a little more refined and for Americans, a much better first choice.

If you're not in the USA, my condolences, get used to cyrillic.
>> No. 18430 ID: 00688d
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>>18427
what bugs me the most about the persts besides qc and a sketchy warranty is that the plugs arent crane compatible, so if you wanted to run conventional tape switch offerings from surefire, unity or modlite, you are SOL unless you know how to splice one into the zenitco plug, or just use the klesh.

otherwise, theyre fine considering the prices for both ATPIAL-Cs and full-power PEQ-15s have gone up considerably, with the latter being so expensive now (2400+) that you may as well pony up for a MAWL. or just buy a DBAL-A3 to save yourself some cash and live with a shitty illuminator. cool info nonetheless

its also been a while so i hope i remembered my tripcode, lol
>> No. 18434 ID: bd5a80
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So I've had some more time behind it and NODs and I'm warming up to the Perst compared to some other devices I've tried that weren't full power. I have to admit there's merit to pic related.

Things I've found are good with the Perst
>battery life
>IR laser powaaaaah
>pressure pad dial
>has been rugged/unaffected by cold, snow, rain
>held zero despite being used, bonked, hiked with, bonked on trees in the dark, dropped, etc
>price/performance is gr8

Things I still don't really like
>IR illuminator focus knob should have more range, the focus goes from narrow to "it's practically a laser just by itself"
I admit that such an incredibly tight focus illuminator would be useful at long range, it does make close/mid-range shooting a little weird. You can put a chest-sized spot of blinding IR light on something 200 yards away at like medium focus. At "wide open" focus, the spot light covers a person at 100 yards but not much more. Distances/sizes do get wonky in monocular NV so I'd really have to measure shit but it's a narrow illuminator beam and it only gets narrower. I plan on making a new focus cap/knob. Something with a faster pitch thread to dial quicker, with a lens that goes from "tight beam" to maybe 4 to 6 times the spot illuminator size of the "widest beam" that the stock lens offers.
>IR diffuser cap is a cunt to put on/off
Fucking thing folds in on itself half the time. Fucking piece of shit.
It does diffuse the IR illuminator very well. Still, it makes the illumination so diffuse that if you're not indoors, you kinda have to dial the illuminator power to max just to light shit up from 20 to 50 yards, it doesn't really reach 100. It's really "SUPER DIFFUSE". It gets a little awkward to get the illumination right depending on the situation.

Despite my whinging I do quite like it. The illuminator woes are annoying, but they're certainly not deal-breakers. The diffuser cap can be made to work better by trimming some of the excess plastic, so far that has fixed all my troubles with the cap.
>> No. 18435 ID: bd5a80
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>>18430
With the full power unit I think the Zenitco pressure pad/dial switch is really useful. I set the pressure pad/dial it on top as the Perst was blocking 3/4 of the optic's FOV when I tried to mount it on top. At 45 degrees I mounted the visible light pressure pad, so going from IR to visible is extremely fast and easy. It does mean the Perst is mounted on the side and the visible light is mounted underneath, but the long handguards mean I have no muzzle shadow. I do need a taller optic mount, it's coming soon, it might simplify shit.

If you're somewhere that gun mufflers are allowed and shadow is an issue, I assume things would get a little more complicated. Not sure how I'd set up the things and pressure pads then, to be honest.
>> No. 18438 ID: 36a846
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>>18434
>IR laser powaaaaah
i understand the desire for having as high power of a laser as possible but in my particular use case and experience, the need is pretty limited.

the most practical thing i can see a higher powered laser being used for is for long range plinking or hunting, but that requires a lot more than just a lightsaber, like having a night-vision capable optic that can see farther than what your 1x head-mounted nods can see. for most of us out there who own minimum-acceptable spec gen 3 pvs-14s with surplus elbit tubes, or even worse than that, civ-powered lasers and illuminators should meet most night-plinking needs, and minimizes the risk of damaging you or your friends' eyes and tubes.

not to mention having less-than-ideal tubes means your illuminator had better pick up the slack, which to my understanding some perst models and the klesch at least have illuminators that arent nearly as bad as peqs or dbals.

>IR illuminator focus knob should have more range, the focus goes from narrow to "it's practically a laser just by itself"
I admit that such an incredibly tight focus illuminator would be useful at long range, it does make close/mid-range shooting a little weird. You can put a chest-sized spot of blinding IR light on something 200 yards away at like medium focus. At "wide open" focus, the spot light covers a person at 100 yards but not much more. Distances/sizes do get wonky in monocular NV so I'd really have to measure shit but it's a narrow illuminator beam and it only gets narrower. I plan on making a new focus cap/knob. Something with a faster pitch thread to dial quicker, with a lens that goes from "tight beam" to maybe 4 to 6 times the spot illuminator size of the "widest beam" that the stock lens offers.
>IR diffuser cap is a cunt to put on/off

newer generation aiming lasers like the MAWL and RAID-X have easily hot-swappable flood and extended throw modes that do a lot to solve this problem. on the MAWL, i can easily hit a switch by moving my thumb over to flood a whole room with umbrella IR lighting, to stepping outside and seeing a couple hundred yards away, for example; a far cry from having to turn a lens on a peq or dbal. id love to try a RAID-X or NGAL to see how a newer-gen IR box solves this problem.

personally i feel that having a very wide range of adjustment will put most end-users in a FAL gas system type of scenario where finer adjustments will just confuse most users, where grosser adjustments make it easy to switch modes, depending on what you need to do with it.

>Fucking thing folds in on itself half the time. Fucking piece of shit.
>It does diffuse the IR illuminator very well. Still, it makes the illumination so diffuse that if you're not indoors, you kinda have to dial the illuminator power to max just to light shit up from 20 to 50 yards, it doesn't really reach 100. It's really "SUPER DIFFUSE". It gets a little awkward to get the illumination right depending on the situation.

yeah i was always weary about how the diffusers on PEQs are just sorta held in place by two rubber straps. they snap off pretty quick but its easy to muzzle myself putting them back on depending on how far forward they are mounted.

>>18435
>With the full power unit I think the Zenitco pressure pad/dial switch is really useful. I set the pressure pad/dial it on top as the Perst was blocking 3/4 of the optic's FOV when I tried to mount it on top. At 45 degrees I mounted the visible light pressure pad, so going from IR to visible is extremely fast and easy.

yeah, i never found the perst box to really occlude much when i had my acog paired with it, since the depth of field solved that problem for me, not unlike how a front sight post would act with a magnified optic. i guess that depends on the person.

>It does mean the Perst is mounted on the side and the visible light is mounted underneath, but the long handguards mean I have no muzzle shadow. I do need a taller optic mount, it's coming soon, it might simplify shit.

yeah, a taller mount will also make it easier for you to make standing shots, especially with a brain bucket and overweight toilet paper tube weighing your neck down as-is. it'll still be pretty tough if you are planning on using an LPVO in front of your head-mounted night vision for passive shooting, because at least for red dots or holographic sights, you can mount them as far forward on the receiver as possible to offer clearance for your night vision device.

it's doable for an LPVO, but will be substantially harder. plus a tall mount will make shooting prone a lot more uncomfortable.

>If you're somewhere that gun mufflers are allowed and shadow is an issue, I assume things would get a little more complicated. Not sure how I'd set up the things and pressure pads then, to be honest.

i havent found muzzle shadow or IR splash off my can to be much of an issue of the times i've been out shooting outdoors, and in the couple of times i have been in a dark shoot house. the MAWL sits a little further back for my goblin arms to be able to reach all the switches, too, and the white light does sit almost flush with my three-prong muzzle device when the can is off.

even when looking through a toilet paper tube, i feel that im moving too fast to even realize any splash or shadow to be an issue in my use cases, so that may depend on the person.
>> No. 18439 ID: bd5a80
I recently went out with another rifle that had the klesh mounted on it and it was pretty nice. For the rifle (shorter range build), the klesh had more than enough illumination for the purpose, but I am noticing that it is a tall device. Zeroing it was hell, but once zeroed it has been a simple, bright, effective IR laser and illuminator. The awkward shape of the klesh makes it a bit more troublesome to pack up in a gun case and stuff but for the price/performance, it's not bad.

>>18438
>newer generation aiming lasers
I'm just happy I can still buy anything IR at this point, my country is headed to full nannystate cap gun loicenses blunt knives shit so our options for "new generation" are limited and will likely get completely murdered in the next few years so I don't think MAWLs or other newer devices will ever reach me.

>having a very wide range of adjustment will put most end-users in a FAL gas system type of scenario where finer adjustments will just confuse most users
True it can be a little annoying but even if the unit isn't adjusted just right, the "wrong" setting is still good enough to do the job.

>i never found the perst box to really occlude much when i had my acog paired with it
I think the issue with perst on top for me is a result of my longer barrel/handguard. It's so far out in front that it ends up naturally "higher" in the field of view of the optic and blocks more of it.

>it'll still be pretty tough if you are planning on using an LPVO in front of your head-mounted night vision for passive shooting
I might leave the LPVO as it is and just mount an RMR on top of the LPVO for passive shooting. Passive use of the LPVO is awkward but doable, it's mostly a "last resort" type of thing where I would take a few moments to focus my NOD eyepeice and get into the weird stance. RMR on top is best solution I think, plus my tall mounts are probably never going to show up, shipping has been "it'll be here 4 days from now or it'll be here in 3 years have fun lmao fukken leafs get fucked".

>i havent found muzzle shadow or IR splash off my can to be much of an issue of the times i've been out shooting outdoors
That's good, I assume it also depends of your IR illumination focus. In my current setup, the perst sits far enough forward to not splash in any way even with the full diffuse cap on. If I were to use it on a different rifle with the perst further from the muzzle, I don't think the splash would be that much of a problem most of the time since it's mounted on the side, the splash wouldn't be at an angle where it would really bother me too much.


gotta say, man your build there is hot as fuck
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>>18439
>I'm just happy I can still buy anything IR at this point, my country is headed to full nannystate cap gun loicenses blunt knives shit so our options for "new generation" are limited and will likely get completely murdered in the next few years so I don't think MAWLs or other newer devices will ever reach me.

yeah, that's rough. i wonder since BEM pushes their MAWL on civvies harder than L3 or Wilcox will ever care to do (even the C1+ is crazy strong for being civilian legal per FDA spec) that if they ever thought about having international dealers for it. guess ya gotta make do with what you got!

>True it can be a little annoying but even if the unit isn't adjusted just right, the "wrong" setting is still good enough to do the job.

yep, plus at least for an illuminator at least you can see it with NODs on vs with a gas system you wont know until you fire a shot and your gun short-strokes. with laser devices, im still of the mindset that they are treated like firearms, and with the variety of situations ive used mine with, it's nice to not have to bother cranking a dial every time i switch from place to place.

>I might leave the LPVO as it is and just mount an RMR on top of the LPVO for passive shooting. Passive use of the LPVO is awkward but doable, it's mostly a "last resort" type of thing where I would take a few moments to focus my NOD eyepeice and get into the weird stance. RMR on top is best solution I think, plus my tall mounts are probably never going to show up, shipping has been "it'll be here 4 days from now or it'll be here in 3 years have fun lmao fukken leafs get fucked".

lol yeah might as well just do that. i'd have loved to do that on my ACOG but on a TA01/TA31, the RMR sits on top of the ocular lens, and will be too close to my face for there to be much, if any practical clearance between the optic and nod. i don't know what mount you are running with your razor, but reptilia makes a host of mounts that replace one of the top rings for geissele mounts, and ones that just clamp to the optic body.

pic sort of related, my perst-4 on a 14" build with TA31. i never really noticed it much when shooting in the daytime because of the depth of field but who knows, really depends on the person. not an ideal setup for passive night shooting by a stretch.

>That's good, I assume it also depends of your IR illumination focus. In my current setup, the perst sits far enough forward to not splash in any way even with the full diffuse cap on. If I were to use it on a different rifle with the perst further from the muzzle, I don't think the splash would be that much of a problem most of the time since it's mounted on the side, the splash wouldn't be at an angle where it would really bother me too much.

i can see that happening, honestly those were all things i initially worried about but turned out not to be a problem when i was just gunning through ghetto courses of fire in the woods, or sweating my balls off in a shoot house. maybe its got something to do with looking through a 40 degree tube that even at full splash with the can looking like a glowing otter pop that my attention lies elsewhere, lol

>gotta say, man your build there is hot as fuck
thanks man. looking back at the years ive lived abroad, lurking around here thinking id be noguns for life, its still pretty hard to believe i own any of this shit in the current year. there's always hope!


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