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102788 No. 102788 ID: 85f7d3 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Evening guys,

I have a Mossberg 9200 12 gauge that I took trap shooting, and somewhere around the 50 round mark the bolt locked back and won't budge. A similar malfunction occurred earlier in the day, but was cleared with a simple butt-stroke and the gun functioned without error for the next 40 rounds or so. I'm not sure if this is a issue with the bolt or the action bar, but neither piece will move. Any guidance on troubleshooting this would be greatly appreciated.

(also if this is in the wrong place feel free to move it)
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>> No. 103130 ID: 9dcda2
  The entry to the magazine tube could use some work. Quad loads are tough but doable.
>> No. 103131 ID: 9dcda2
  >>103130
The first shotgun load went well. The second, I dunno what the fuck happened. The lifter was stuck in the down position and I couldn't get shells into the magazine.
>> No. 103133 ID: 92fb9d
>>103129
Not sure how or why, but when I hit your webm to watch it, my phone instead displayed a webm of Lana Rain dressed as Asuka sucking on two dildoes. I was confused, but pleased.

From the actual shooting webm, looks like it didn't feed and then failed to release a fresh round. Weird. Any idea what it could have caught on for the feeding stoppage?

Mossbergs failing with cheap ammo usually ends up being a rough chamber/feeding thing, but the trigger bits fucking up is new to me, I've always been spoiled with metal trigger assemblies due to my 590.
>> No. 103134 ID: 9dcda2
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>>103133
I hate it when that happens. I don't think the dick on a stick was really into it.

While I was shooting I didn't look into it, because timer, but watching the video now it looks like the shell tried to feed but caught on the entrance to the chamber. It looks a little mangled in the stills.

Just racking the bolt does not release a round from the magazine tube, so that's the second time running the bolt. You have to drop the hammer with the bolt forward to release a shell.

1. Round doesn't chamber.
2. Rack action. (no shell released from magazine)
3. Pull trigger, click, shell released.
4. Rack action, shell chambered.

So if this happened again...

A. Pull the bolt back a little then push forward to try to chamber the shell.
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>> No. 103141 ID: 19518e
>>103134
Ahhh right, that's probably handy for switching to a slug but malfunction clearing then needs an extra step.

I see, I see.


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103062 No. 103062 ID: ecc980 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Did these kind of firearms go straight from being muzzleloading caplock guns to using brass cartridges?

I can't find any info or even videos on breechloading elephant guns that used self-contained paper cartridges. I dont think I can find any pics or stats on weight, price for the era, muzzle velocity, etc.
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>> No. 103089 ID: 2001f3
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>>103088
And this...this is the double, same manufacturer. Using again the Jones-patent underlever action, mated to a pair of 30" barrels (1:48" twist, 1.326" bore diameter), four 13oz mercury recoil reducers in the maple stock. Finished weight 44 pounds, though this one was built to the specifications of a particular customer. Stolzer believes with some modifications to the design (shorter, more tapered barrels being the main aspect), that could be reduced to about 32 pounds...which is still heavier than a Barrett M107, and about the same as the heavier M82A1.
>> No. 103090 ID: 628641
>>103089
If my math is correct... and I think it is... 3500gn x2 = 1 lb. of lead in two shots.
>> No. 103093 ID: 2001f3
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103093
>>103090
That's precisely correct, because a 2-bore (or 2-gauge) by definition fires a half-pound lead ball. Gauge or bore refers to the number of lead balls of a diameter to fit the gun's bore can be cast out of a pound of lead. Eg. a 12-gauge round ball is 1/12th of a pound.
>> No. 103125 ID: c5b6f2
While looking for Stoplossed's lightweight AR thread, I came across another Bat Guano elephant gun thread.

Dagnabbit Bats.

>>96505
>> No. 103128 ID: 74c131
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Yeah, an old elephant gun thread mentioned here:
>>103069


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103091 No. 103091 ID: ad8094 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Through trading and selling I have a Mossberg 500 JIC (gen 1 I guess, the green one) everything minus the shotgun. What are some suggestion to keep in it? Beside the obvious... a shotgun

Also a general prepping thread
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>> No. 103102 ID: 1611fc
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>>103100
A lot of it really depends on how bad things get, and how long they stay that way. If things are bad enough for long enough, eventually guns are going to become easier to come by than ammo. In such a case, having a box or two of a few of the more common calibers that you don't actually already have a gun for certainly won't hurt. As long as you're not sacrificing adding to your primary stocks in order to pick up outliers.

Pic somewhat related.
>You got a guuuunnn.....well shit, it ain't loaded. Eh...They never are.
>> No. 103103 ID: 16a605
>>103100
>22lr conversion BCG.
Are fine for practice and plinking. If you need reliability and accuracy, you need a dedicated .22lr upper.
>> No. 103106 ID: 813f6b
>>103103
>Are fine for practice and plinking. If you need reliability and accuracy, you need a dedicated .22lr upper.

And a conversion BCG does nothing to prevent fouling everywhere.
Dedicated upper (or separate gun) is really what you want.
>> No. 103107 ID: 19518e
>>103103
>>103106
>>103100
>dedicated 22LR upper
>22LR conversion BCG

For survival stuff, honestly, I would either forgo the BCG and have a Ruger MKwhatever, or have a 22LR rifle. The pistol will be about the size and weight of the BCG kit with 22 magazines, yet be more reliable, more accurate (with a steady hand), and will keep the rifle in good clean shape when 223 medicine is required. If you can spare more than that, such as an upper, or if you think you'll need more than 22LR pistol practical accuracy, jump straight to a Marlin 795 or 70PSS or 10/22 Takedown. Although I lean to the Marlin rifles for various reasons, a comparable 22 rifle will be close in size/weight to the upper, and be very practical for all situations in need of 22LR when a pistol wouldn't be as effective.

>AR7?
I'd rather have a Ruger MKwhatever and zip-tie some pool flotation foam to it. It'll be more accurate, more reliable, more durable, smaller, and lighter overall. The AR7 to my mind was a decent idea, but so poorly executed that it is mostly self-defeating. Marlin and Ruger takedown models perform brilliantly and do what the AR7 wanted to do without being that much heavier or bulkier. Remember that although the AR7 sounds compact, when you hold one, it really ends up being like a fucking Michelin-Man rifle; puffed out and comically lumpy from having to stuff itself in its own stock.

Then there's the Browning carbine things. I've always wondered if one could be offered with a removable stock setup to basically do an effective pistol-becomes-rifle job. I know that putting a stock on a pistol in the USA is a legal problem, but with paperwork or if we are in a survival situation, this issue could be irrelevant.
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>>103107
>>103106
>>103103
>>103102

I had a lengthy reply writtend own but forgot about it... doesn't matter. This will interest folks like you. Get your own tanks:

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-72-42#currency=USD
http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-55-278#currency=USD

50k$$$ for a T-72 doesn't even sound that bad. If I had the land I'd buy one, restore it, built a parcour for it and let midlife crisis dads ride a tank for an hour. Sounds like a sound business to me.

>inb4 KILLDOZER


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99676 No. 99676 ID: 1519ac hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Does anyone have an adjustable gas block they would be willing to take apart and photograph, and if possible measure with calipers or micrometers? I'm specifically interested in the part that actually cuts off gas flow, and any detent system or other system the locks the adjustment. I'm in the process of putting together a lightweight AR and don't really want to drop the money on an adjustable titanium block, so I was considering making one. Maybe I'm over thinking this and all I need is a ball detent interfacing with straight knurling on a standard socket head cap screw. Maybe I need to make a custom screw with axial slots to engage the detent. I don't know. So any advice, pictures or other insights are welcome. Comments on who makes the best adjustable gas block are also welcome.
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>> No. 102889 ID: f5c3ed
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>>102888
Oh boy! Better not let Cuomo know there are a dozen shops in WNY still selling pic related with a welded muzzle device.

It's not like it's enforced at private ranges either.
>> No. 102890 ID: 1519ac
>>102889
I know it's not enforced and no one cares, I can't even remember how many people have told me about their unregistered AWs. I'm just trying to make sure that people who are breaking the law know that they are so they can take the precautions they deem appropriate. I've sheriff's deputies tell me to just ignore the safe act, but personally I'm not taking the chance that every LEO I run across will feel the same.
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>>99684
>>102328
Cut some more off the carrier today. Down to 216 grams from a starting point of 268. I think I'm gonna leave it there for now.
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103119
BEHOLD MY FINAL FORM!

5.07 lbs with no mag. Kinda disappointed with the weight. I feel like the NY legal stock is holding me back. Could have gone with a spur grip I guess but I feel like they wouldn't give you enough control. Oh well, it's still light. Haven't shot it yet as the thread protector isn't welded and I haven't torqued the barrel.
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>>103119
You could take off the rubber buttpad to reduce the weight even further, maybe go for an ultralight mount for the MRO too.


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103109 No. 103109 ID: d8fc32 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I've had this for about 12yrs stashed away in a box. Any ideas on the country of origin?
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103111
Stamp on the other. It looks like a sword through a gear, with S E on either side of the sword in the gear. I can't quite make out what it says under the gear though
>> No. 103112 ID: d8fc32
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103112
Lug hole
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>> No. 103114 ID: f5c3ed
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103114
>Toledo Military Spanish INI Rifle Bayonet Sword Knife & Scabbard

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Spain/spain_2.html
>> No. 103115 ID: 9790ae
>>103113
That was a quick reply,thanks for taking the time to help me.


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103021 No. 103021 ID: cad48c hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Neat.

Looks like a much more DIY-friendly idea for rifling barrels has cropped up. Might merit some experimentation / refinement by some of the locals, and certainly on my extended to-do list.

Makes me miss the STEM board.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/02/diy-barrel-rifling-using-salt-water-electricity-3d-printed-jig/
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>> No. 103056 ID: 7c3c05
>>103049
I can't even imagine how you do that. Did you build a really tiny Bridgeport mill as the first step? Seriously, that's impressive.
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103057
>>103056
it's not that hard. Behold my workhorse, and old WW2 pattern lathe of dubious origins!
Threading his done with a die held in the hand and the slot in the head is made with a special file, called a slotting file.
>> No. 103058 ID: 19518e
>>103057
What thread is it? It looks quite a bit smaller than a 0-80...
>> No. 103060 ID: 1b9ff7
>>103058
good question. The die set is packed away god knows where now, but it does not use metric or US standards for thread pitch. It's probably close to a metric 0.5x0.125
>> No. 103061 ID: 1519ac
>>103060
Twenty thou diameter by five thou pitch? Wow.


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102559 No. 102559 ID: 2a5860 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
While I wouldn't call it a resolution, I have decided that I want to get out shooting more this year. For a number of reasons, the last couple years I haven't made it to either the range or the woods, and I aim to fix that.

I'm planning on taking some classes as soon as I can, but in the meantime, I'm looking to gather up some good resources towards bettering myself as a shooter, rather than just going out and making noise. I'm getting a shot timer and a few target stands, and my goal is to get out and do 200-250 rounds once a month. My focus will be on my carry guns; Glock 19 and 43. I'll probably work the AR every couple of months too.

So, I'd like to devote a theead to training resources found on the web, and I'd be interested in Opchan's input.

The obvious one that I already have bookmarked is www.pistol-training.com.

What other good sources are out there? Drills? Targets? YouTube channels?
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>> No. 102825 ID: b97d8a
>>102782
Agree with >>102805
>> No. 102826 ID: 84a647
>>102782
Agree with >>102805
>> No. 102828 ID: d094dd
>>102805
I'd have less of a problem with that unnecessary ban if the ban message was at least funnier than the post. Mods are to be paragons of the community, after all, not mediocre shitposters themselves. I'd have been okay with
>(USER NEGLIGENTLY SHOT A VAGINA INTO HIS FOOT FOR THIS POST)
>(remember to keep all that edge pointed in a safe direction)
as part of a slap-on-the-wrist ban. Both shitposting and banning shitposters should be equally permissible as long as both are entertaining.
>> No. 102829 ID: b70387
>>102805
>>102825
>>102826
>>102828
I read this post and didn't think anything of it, until I saw it in the report list after I was done browsing. I came back and stared at it for a minute and was like, 'yeah, okay.' Hopefully, twelve hours was short enough that the guy missed it altogether. Anyway, I'm going to get back to my secret mission of slowly destroying this shitlord site. You bunch of fucking neanderthals. :P
>> No. 103059 ID: 4bc8b6
So, to get the thread back on topic, and to livejournal it a bit:

Picked up a MkIV 22/45 last week for some cheap plinkiny and practice on the fundamentals. Roommate's gf saw me packing up to go to the range later that day and has been wanting to learn to shoot, so she came along. That range trip ended up being more for her than for me, but it was actually good for me because doing the instruction thing made me slow down and think more about the fundamentals rather than just pewpewing away. I was definitely rusty, as I havent spent much time on the range the past couple years but I started dialing myself in pretty quick. Plus, my friend is a quick study and she did pretty well, although she was suffering from some shooter's fatugue by the end of our time. Only managed to shoot a box of 9mm and one of 22 for myself that day.

Bump to yesterday. I decided to take a class at that range (friend ended up signing up for it too after our range day). It was their 200 level class (which I'd really classify more as a 101 class where their 100 level course is basically just 50 rounds and a "this is this, that is that, this is how you operate the gun, and these are the safety rules), pretty low round count at 150 and just 4 hours including classroom time. But, I figured a class emphasizing the fundamentals would help tune me up a bit for getting more serious as is my intent. Apparently I needn't have bothered, since the instructor was by the end assuming the only reason I was in that class was to do it with my friend (who I'm sure he figured for my girlfriend). Still, working on the basics and doing slow fire one-hole and switching gears drills felt good, and the instructor didn't have much coaching to do for my shooting. As a side note, my friend did really well. I was genuinely impressed at her groupings after just two range sessions. Nearly as good as mine, if slower.

In two weeks I take their "300" level class, which will start me on holster work, reload drills, malfunction drills and what not. After that, I can take their holster qualification test, and if I pass that I can work from the holster whenever I come in to shoot. So even if I don't take any more classes, I have somewhere to train when the weather is too lousy or hunting season is on and the woods aren't an option.


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102898 No. 102898 ID: 7c3c05 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So, of late I've been thinking about adding an SAA clone or something similar to my collection. Does anyone have any experience with Pietta, Uberti, Traditions, and the other brands made by the Italian clone makers?

Any recommendations on barrel length, in terms of balance or handling qualities? I've seen pictures of a not especially historically correct 3.5" barreled variant that looks pleasingly purposeful and businesslike to my eye, but I've not picked one up. I already have a GP100 in .357 and have some .357 ammo on hand, so that's the logical caliber for this to be.

I do noticed that the fixed-sight SAA clones tend to have a rather primitive sight setup, with the rear sight a shallow notch in the top of a curved frame, and I am not sure whether I'm supposed to put the top of the front sight even with the top of the frame on either side or raise it up so it's in line with where the missing part of the topstrap would be. I much prefer the sight picture we get with a modern (well, mid to late 20th Century) fixed-sight service revolver, but no one is making an SAA clone with that little change to the frame.
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I've got an 1860 Army from Uberti, pretty neat little gun. It's mostly a show piece as I hardly ever have the patience for black powder. I do however enjoy it when I do force myself to take it out and do the damn thing.

I'm afraid i'm entirely unfamiliar with their line of SAA or anything besides my specific example.
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I've got a little 22 clone, the FIE Little Ranger. Fun little gun just for the range but I've been wanting to upgrade to something a bit bigger.

What I'd love to find is what my dad had years and years ago. It was SAA kit. Completely stripped, needed everything done from assembly to I think painting. He had it nice, engraved it himself. Even bought different barrels and cylinders for it so it was a higher caliber (not sure which) and a .22. Unfortunately one of my family members nabbed it well before I was old enough to get it.

I'd love to find something like that for myself, I think pretty much building my own Peacemaker would be bretty awesome.

Pic related, not my gun but identical.
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102922
I see that at Uberti they've been playing with period styling, and have introduced an SAA clone with an octagonal barrel. Neither Colt nor the Remington 1875/1890 had an octagonal barrel, but some period firearms did, and it's not bad looking.

But now for some reason I'm imagining an SAA clone with a tapered "pencil barrel" profile like you see on older S&W duty revolvers in .38 Special, complete with the prewar style round "half nickel" front sight that was semicircular in profile. And a slightly altered topstrap at the rear for a proper Patridge style square notch rear sight with that portion of the topstrap level on either side. Would it look like some kind of generic early 20th Century firearm? Probably not, it'd probably look silly.
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>>102906
My very close cousin eloped a year and a half ago with a girl he'd been dating for only a few months (I met her since. She's a lovely woman), denying me a chance to get one of my favorite people in the world a wedding gift. Backwoods Okie that he is, I'm considering getting him a showy single action revolver for his second anniversary. An SAA would be the obvious choice, but I'm leaning towards a Schofield.
>> No. 103054 ID: f56d36
I had a 5.5 inch .357 magnum Uberti Horseman. The hotseman is drop safe and and you can load 6. You can barely feel .38 and .357 is softer than similar sized double action revolvers. Even with the old style sights I could hit clay doves in midair. Personally I think if you're gonna go for a fudd gun you should go full fudd instead of getting one of those Rugers that are half modern half original without the charm of the old and the practicallity of modern guns.


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103029 No. 103029 ID: 9d3fa9 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Can we share AR experiences in these threads as well?
>go to Marine bootcamp
>finally the day we get issued our M16A4 service rifle
>step up to the window at the armory
>Lance Corporal hands me a rifle
>"heh, I'd prefer something with more stopping power, but hey if this is what Uncle Sam wants the boys using, I guess I can deal with it."
>few weeks later we're at the range
>recommend to the Range Instructor that they put better attachments on these things
>chat it up for a minute, talking about how much you could increase aim stability with a foregrip and a comp
>he says he'll be back in a minute
>comes back with a box of parts
>"we really only let the SOCOM guys use these, but you're pretty good. So I'll let you put some of this on your rifle."
>put an AFG, IR sniper scope, and a silencer on my rifle
>score perfect on my shooting qual
needless to say, I was guide and honor graduate and went to Special Ops training right after that. Told them I didn't even want my 10 days of leave, I couldn't look at my family the same way...
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>> No. 103040 ID: aadd02
6/10. It's worth an amused snort. You kinda fell into this awkward spot. It needed to be either more subtle or even more over the top. You'll get better though.
>> No. 103047 ID: f2172d
>>103029
Fuck off back to kinder
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103048
Slow down there Timmy, there is some 18+ y/o content on this website. Are you sure you asked your parents permission before you logged on?
>> No. 103051 ID: 952452
About time some smart people began enlisting. You'll be a Major in no time with that kind of skill!
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>>103029
Nice.


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102932 No. 102932 ID: 7c3c05 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I don't own any snubby revolvers and they're not my favorite class of firearm, but I want to be more gooder at shootan and stuff.

I went to a range yesterday and rented a stainless Airweight and put fifty rounds of .38 through it at seven yards, with results attached. Head shots required me to slow down enough that I would not have been comfortable trying this against an armed and hostile opponent, instead of a motionless paper target. I did get five for five. The alert observer may have noticed that the hole in the middle is a bit elongated.

Impressions: it's hard to see and align stainless sights in a hurry under a lot of lighting conditions, especially when you're fighting a twelve-pound trigger attached to a twelve-ounce firearm that has a sight radius of about three inches.

I expected recoil was much worse, having heard horror stories for years about how lightweight snubbies will bounce the fillings right out of your teeth. Ammo was Fiocchi 125gr truncated-cone FMJ, not designated +P. I have never seen chrono data for this ammo and have no idea how much velocity it had, but the flat pointed bullets made neat round holes in the paper target. Muzzle flash was an enormous white fireball and I could feel the warmth of it on my face and hands--but empties dropped out of the chambers with no effort required other than holding the gun muzzle-up with the cylinder open and shaking it a bit. Primers don't look flattened, nor cratered.

A lot of my shots went low and/or low and left. The diagnostic target suggests I may be jerking the trigger and/or pushing down with my thumb and/or tightening my grip while I drag the trigger back.

I did figure out eventually that the J-frame's lockwork, at least on that particular example, had two soft hitches, or hesitations, that I could feel just before the hammer dropped, and that I could use this to stage the trigger. That helped some.

I am sure someone here knows more about running a snubby revolver than I do. Is there anything I'm missing here, other than needing more practice with this particular class of firearm?
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>> No. 103034 ID: 7c3c05
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103034
Also, I've tried point shooting, using the stance and grip from this old training film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7N7dAmjLY

The portion on point shooting starts around 8:20 in. The picture shows a target I shot from seven yards, doing ten fast presentations from the low ready. All ten hit the blue part of the target, I guess. Note that the target was at the time motionless and not lunging out of a dark alley with a machete held overhead.

I can get faster hits and hold the X-ring using the sights. For me, at least, point shooting doesn't seem to work very well.

While I'm rambling about my unpopular opinions, I also think the .38 Special snubby is a semi-obsolete platform in an era of ultralight singlestack 9mm subcompacts (or even in an era of .380 compact CCW pistols. The late Skeeter Skelton may have been the first gun-rag writer to notice and say in print, over fifty years ago, that .380 from the typical pocket pistol and non-+P .38 Special from a 2" revolver had pretty near identical numbers in terms of kinetic energy, and so on, and made indistinguishable icepick-like wound tracks in a block of ballistic gelatin, leading him to believe there wasn't a whole lot of difference between them on the receiving end.

.38 Special from a snubby has similar ballistic limitations to the .380. With a 2" .38 Special snubby you can generally have ammunition with a bullet that penetrates the 12"+ of calibrated 10% ballistic gelatin, OR you can have a bullet that expands significantly, but if you want both you've got a very short list of acceptable performers. My everyday CCW is a Kahr CW9 9mm loaded with 147gr Ranger-T, and my summer/deep concealment carry gun is a Kahr CT380 loaded with Hornady 90gr XTP, one of the very very short list of .380 rounds that both penetrates 12" or so and does so with a bullet that will usually expand a bit. I believe, but can't prove, that a bullet that even just partially initiates expansion will, due to its irregular, rough and jagged shape, tear more tissue than roundnose ball, and if I am fighting for my life I will take any edge I can get.

I want to be more skilled at using all types of firearms but short-barreled .38 Special revolvers strike me as being 1898's answer to questions about concealable handguns for self-defense. The 20th Century had better answers to those questions, and the 21st Century has better answers still.
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>>103005
>I was looking for my Mini-14 diagnostic target but didn't find it.

Is this the one?
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>>103007
>Have you tried the Smith & Wesson Model 640 Pro? A 5-shot .357 Magnum with a 2.13-inch barrel.

I have not. I did last year try a the Ruger LCR in .357 Magnum, a less pretty but lightweight polymer framed snubby.

I have to say that fifty rounds of American Eagle 158gr softnoses were just about as much fun as I really wanted to have. And I don't consider myself especially recoil-sensitive, at least with handguns. Smith 29s and 629s with full-power .44 Mag ammo are, for me, fun (within the limits of my DA shooting), not punishing. But that LCR in .357 was a bit much.
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  >>103035
That's the one.

>>103034
>I want to be more skilled at using all types of firearms

I'm with you here. I understand people who train on one type and that's it. But I like guns too much to do that. I'm decent with damn near anything and good with any proper firearm. With revolvers, just go with a decent quality Smith or Ruger with a 4" or 6" barrel, and actually enjoy shooting it.

> but short-barreled .38 Special revolvers strike me as being 1898's answer to questions about concealable handguns for self-defense. The 20th Century had better answers to those questions, and the 21st Century has better answers still.

Yes. I crack up at stories of people still carrying 38 revolvers in Vietnam.

> using the stance and grip from this old training film

No, just no.
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>>103034
>I can get faster hits and hold the X-ring using the sights. For me, at least, point shooting doesn't seem to work very well.

An interesting test to do, is to put a humansized target at 10 yards, place your feet in the correct shooting position and have the gun at low ready. Now close your eyes and bring the gun up to your natural point of aim and slowly fire off a round or 3 with your eyes still closed.

While not perfectly grouped, they'll be in about the same area and will show you if it's actually your stance that's throwing you off. Or well, you could just be pulling every shot, but that is something that someone watching you should be able to tell you. If there's no obvious reason why you're fucking up the shots, it's likely because you're fighting your natural stance.


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