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105865 No. 105865 ID: c3b8cf hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Went up to Dallas this past weekend and met up with a MG buddy.
He brought out his Steyr AUG A1 and his RPB MAC-11 in .380.
I brought out my Chinese AK and AR-18.

The AUG was surprisingly fun. The main thing I have against bullpups is the trigger but in full auto who gives a damn. I consistently shot in 2 round bursts and there is minimal muzzle climb so I was able to stay on target at 15 yards through the scope. Again, it really is remarkable how little muzzle rise there is. You can one-hand magdump from the hip as easily as a SMG.

Of course, the MAC is a bullet hose, but I will say it's a funner bullet hose in .380 than it is in 9mm. I was able to keep bursts to about 5 rounds or so. Of course, the stock and front strap aren't really worth a damn. It's uncomfortable to shoulder and try to get a cheek weld. The cyclic rate is so high that little piles of unburned powder built up on the floor. Occasionally, residual powder left in the receiver would spark up after the gun was empty.

Fun times, regardless.
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>> No. 105875 ID: f11f4d
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This is as good a place as any to post this I guess.
>> No. 105927 ID: 60a628
>>105865
>> Again, it really is remarkable how little muzzle rise there is

When i shot this for the first time, i thought i´m shooting with a BB Gun. Not to mention the almost non-existent recoil.

The trigger gave us headaches sometimes in the army. Cannot remember which part worn out in the trigger assembly, but either it blocked you from going FA, or you completely went FA on the slightest pull. Been fun times when our seargent yelled "2 single shots on target, open fire" and most of our guys went BRRRRRT.
>> No. 105962 ID: c3b8cf
>>105927

Aside from trigger issues, how reliable were your rifles?
Were you issued an A1 or other variant?
>> No. 106361 ID: 508f1f
>>105875

I was wondering if you would mind posting some pics of the internals of your AUG? Specifically the inside of the upper receiver?
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>>106361
Sorry, I don't actually have one. I just posted an aug related picture with a fucking retarded bipod mount, which I guess is based off the old and also retarded bipod mount in this picture.


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106353 No. 106353 ID: 815268 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
http://www.cabelas.com/product/TRIJICON-RMR-ADJUSTABLE-LED-SIGHT/2047219.uts

Trijicon RM06 for $350. This is the new Type 2, adjustable, LED version, 3.25MOA dot.

Not sure how long it will go on.


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105820 No. 105820 ID: f0fb5d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I'll try and keep you posted on the slow build process.
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>> No. 105836 ID: f0fb5d
>>105824
MidwayUSA had Gen1 kits on sale for $50 a piece so I got two on a lark. The Gen2 looks way better but they were still $150. It looks pink in the picture but it's listed as purple and in person it looks like a light easter egg purple.

I'm planning on testing my build with my existing, definitely functional Glock 22 upper and then assembling a Glock 34/35 slide with a threaded .357 Sig barrel and ideally a cut for an RMR too. Eventually I'd like 5.5 inch barrels in 9mm and .40 too.
>> No. 105868 ID: f0fb5d
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I'm considering doing as much of the build as possible with one of these and high-grit sandpaper, or otherwise without power tools just for the funsies.

Thoughts?
>> No. 105871 ID: 738b31
>>105868
DO IT!
post pics
>> No. 105872 ID: 028b36
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>>105868
Those hand cranked one would work, if you are making a video please have a fake handlebar mustache.
>> No. 105947 ID: 30d556
>>105868
do it!


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104036 No. 104036 ID: 815268 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Haters gonna hate
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>> No. 105938 ID: 19518e
>>105937
>Also considering the kind of shotgun I don't anticipate putting as many rounds down range as my more conventional shotguns.
>as many

Looking at how it's a bird's head versus a much more comfortable pistol-type grip I can understand that.
>> No. 105939 ID: 815268
>>105938
I actually prefer the birdshead grip to a standard pistol grip only set up.
>> No. 105940 ID: 19518e
>>105939
I see quite a lot of people sharing your view, but none of them seem to enjoy shooting buckshot, slugs, and more with bird's head.

I don't like bird's head, but I routinely shoot boxes and boxes of slugs, buckshot, turkey magnums using pistol grips. So I can't say I understand the bird's head thing very much... Only the most horrendous 3" 2oz turkey maximum-load ever got a sting in the hands, as much as I can tolerate a box of those, I can't imagine shooting even one with a bird's head grip. The way I see it, pistol grip is pretty much like palm-striking a punching bag, it's incredibly strong at taking impacts.

Might be gripping technique. Might just be hand differences, the shape of a grip from one hand to another probably magnifies the physical differences between people exponentially as recoil energy increases. Might also be a combination of the two. Perhaps further testing is required any excuse to fire ye olde handgonnes. I'll have to track down a bird's head grip though...
>> No. 105942 ID: 815268
>>105940
The birdshead, for me, seems to distribute the recoil throughout my hand, wrist, and forearm, vs a PGO set up where it seems all the recoil is absorbed by the web of my hand and my wrist.

That's just how it feels to me. But yeah, it still leaves you sore to shoot 70 high brass 00 loads in 45 minutes lol.
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>>105942
I was about to write stuff about grip technique but fucking shit ammo up here is stupid expensive, literally nothing under a buck fifty per shell. Who cares about grips when it's the wallet that cries mercy before the hands.

When I track down some shotguns with burbface grips or PGO I'll save up my pennies (all of them) and have a good day making the berms noticeably heavier. It might be a while but I'll probably post the results in this thread.


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105918 No. 105918 ID: 8c968b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Dunno if it's a dumb idea or not yet. But I was thinking about making an AEK style counterweight system for my 74 kit that I haven't gotten around to finishing. Here is some crappy drawings I did while at work. I'm feverishly measuring some parts right now for a real drawing. Don't have much stuff other than mics and calipers to do REAL measurements at home (no rock, no height gage, no gage blocks, etc.) but I'm confident I can kind of wing most of it except for a couple precision bores. But I can measure those later with some better stuff.
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>> No. 105921 ID: 8c968b
>>105919
Sorry. The picture is confusing. The thread is on the front gas tube, and a little collar thing. That way, I can screw the collar down to shorten the length of the tube for removal. The inside of the collar that mates with the block is chamfered and will have a matching chamfer on the block for centering the tube to the block. Thinking about this a second time though, makes me think this may be a flawed plan, since carbon would be let into the threads. And as I know from my zig zag brake, it can build up significantly.

The front will be a lot of machining. I pretty much accept that. I could have started with a raw forging that some US company made (or I guess just buy a made front sight gas block combo and make it work) but my autisms requires the proper muzzle threads and the proper look etc.

Yeah, I'm sure it will take a lot of work tuning. I know the forealz version has a long narrow weight with a rack cut into it, and a rack cut into the bolt carrier/piston and a tiny gear that ensures both recoil the same amount and the same speed. That sounds super hard though. Since it would require a lot of modification to the existing BCG design.
>> No. 105922 ID: 19518e
>>105921
>since carbon would be let into the threads. And as I know from my zig zag brake, it can build up significantly.
I see it now, and I think if you have a vent hole before the threads, it should keep the threads from being exposed to too much high pressure dirty gas.

>tuning
>original AEK
Yep, all that stuff in the AEK in the counter-recoil mass totals, I assume, to an equal mass as the total reciprocating mass in the action. It doesn't look like you'll be able to cram like half a pound in that counter-recoil mass, so you'll have to make it go faster to compensate, but that might make it feel funny.

You could set up a compound spring for the counter-recoil mass, and try to tune spring weights and port size while keeping counter-recoil mass constant, because you're not going to be putting that much weight into the counter recoil in the first place so I'd put in as much as I could and work on the other variables. You could probably straight up grab an old broken endmill shank that's the right size and use that as a counter-recoil mass, tungsten carbide is heavy and wouldn't get all play-dough inside a gun like a mass made entirely out of lead.
>> No. 105923 ID: 241b9d
>>105918
>I was thinking about making an AEK style counterweight system for my 74 kit that I haven't gotten around to finishing.

Is there even any point to this (outside being mechanically interesting of course) if the rifle isn't full auto?
>> No. 105925 ID: 19518e
>>105923
Counter-recoil is a way to reduce the recoil impulse by cancelling out the recoil caused by the reciprocating mass driven by gas. Normally competition shooters (and other kinds too but you know what I'm saying) will do this by simply reducing the mass of the reciprocating components and messing with cycling speed to try and retain reliability. Counter-recoil isn't my personal glass of spiders because it increases the total mass of the firearm, but it is a cool concept.

Obviously it doesn't change the recoil caused by the bullet and gas exiting the barrel, but that should go without saying. It's all about the other extra bumps and tugs when the clockwork is flopping about getting old cans out and new bottles in.
>> No. 105926 ID: 8c968b
>>105923
For me, it's just a machining exercise, and to make a gun have a reason to exist in my collection, since I have an AK74 already (with the triangle folder, unlike this kit, which is a fixed stock one).


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  A while ago we had a thread about high-speed photography and such. I think my friend and I took some curious pictures today, not sure how interesting they will be, but it was enlightening to learn what a DSLR could do in this kind of situation.

The camera in question is an Olympus E-510 with a Zuiko 14-58 F2.8 lens, a little dated and nothing special to begin with. In the midday sun, we were able to get a fast enough shutter to be able to capture bullets. Because of how these kinds of shutters function, the bullets are still quite blurry and faint but they're still visible.

Video is related to explain how the shutters typically work, to explain why the bullets weren't exactly as crisp as one would expect from shutter speeds of 1/4000th of a second, and why they're blurry in a slightly asymmetrical way due to a "rolling shutter" effect.

Also these guys shooting a giggle-switched AR-15 was adorable, great footage as well.
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>> No. 105885 ID: 19518e
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Or just an 8lbs shotgun with a 3.5" chamber.

A few manufacturers make 2 1/4oz turkey loads (984 grains) at 1200ft/s.

Might not look like too much is going on due to my personal enjoyment of such situations, but this does net 70.8ft-lbs at 23.9 ft/s. I've fired more of this ammo than I like to admit.

To compare, a .458 Win Mag from a 9 lbs rifle sending a 500gr bullet at 2100ft/s provides 62.3 ft-lbs at 21.1ft/s of delicious recoil. Close enough for the raifus I go out with.
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>>105885
Well, I do have a Vepr 12. It's one of my favorite things to take out to the range

Here's me showing a monumental display of accuracy (none) with some 00 buck.
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>>105897
It's probably thanks to the muzzle brake, but I still think .300 Savage out of the R81 is still more uncomfortable than the Vepr
>> No. 105901 ID: df12a0
>>105448
>>105449
>>105450
>>105451
Huh. I had no idea it does that. I think I prefer the Chiappa Rhino's rigidity.
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>>105897
>>105899
I bet the muzzle brake helps soften up the Vepr recoil. I went with a 1919 because the stock is in-line with the barrel, you can see here how the muzzle stays relatively tame despite the bare muzzle. It's pretty fun to see those slugs race out past 40 yards too, lookatemgo.

Ignore the xbox scope, it's all I had after the QD mount was kill when recoil made it shit its guts out from under an Aimpoint.


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105867 No. 105867 ID: f5c3ed hide watch quickreply [Reply]
https://www.state.gov/t/isn/caatsa/275116.htm

Tula is owned by NPO High Precision Systems, on the list.
Golden Tiger is owned by Tactical Missiles Corporation, on the list.
Yulyanovsk Cartridge Works makes Wolf from Russia, also on the list.


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103213 No. 103213 ID: 813f6b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
I'm filled with the need to fill a void in my collection (and life): I want a high quality shotgun.

This quest started with trying to find (or make) a suitable classic looking Ithaca 37 (either already SBS, or make it into one). That didn't go anywhere. Ithaca doesn't export to euroland, and I'm having trouble finding a suitable donor gun to SBS (or even to find someone willing to SBS the gun for me since due to regulations it has to be reproofed etc, meaning paperwork & wasted time going to the test bench/proof house which would cost more than the actual cutting & refinishing).

Other alternatives were visited:
Browning has an Ithaca sibling, so that was the first stop. Various features and components were not really to my liking though, missing that special M37 look.
Mossbergs have a handy lefty friendly safety, so I looked at those next. Turns out their finish is really shitty.
Remingtons, well, let's not even go there. I've seen too many Remington things fail in the past 10 years that I'm not willing to touch them anymore.
Winchester was next. SXP is a basic no nonsense shotty made in Turkey, but turns out it's actually has more than it's share of problems if jewtoob is to be believed. Including at least two instances of slamfiring with the safety on. So that's out.

With time, interests shifted and eventually brought me to the Benelli M3 Tactical (~20", ghost ring sights, classic stock) & Benelli M3 Entry (~14", ghost ring sights, usually telescopic stock). Because why the fuck not? It's both a pump and a semi, filling two needs at once.
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>> No. 105788 ID: 241b9d
>>105787

Well, the permit needed for the barrel is the same as for the shotgun (meaning a significant amount of paperwork & wait times), so it's a bit of a pain, but I could combine it with future requests, so that'd be fine.
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I don't mean to hijack your thread Godverdomme, and if you want me to start a new one just let me know, but I'm in a similar boat.

I've been shopping for a shotgun for a while now, and I don't know exactly what to get. My budget is flexible, but I'd like to stay under/around $1,200. I'm looking for something Semi-Auto, and I'd like to stay with inertia driven for the purposes of simplicity. As of right now, I'm looking at 2 main options:

Stoeger Family (M3000, M3K 3-Gun)
Benelli Family (Probably the M2 - but I don't know if I should look at the Montefeltro or Vinci instead).

The Stoeger would give me room to buy a pistol as well, which is a plus as I'm shopping for a new nightstand gun, but it seems like the Benelli is the nicer option with more aftermarket support. Primary use of the gun would be for Skeet/Trap, as well as Home Defense and potentially 3 gun further down the road. Any input would be appreciated.
>> No. 105847 ID: 241b9d
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>>105846
>I'd like to stay with inertia driven for the purposes of simplicity.

It's my understanding that this generates more perceived recoil though.
And it's not like the alternatives are especially complex.

>Primary use of the gun would be for Skeet/Trap, as well as Home Defense and potentially 3 gun further down the road.

My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.
>> No. 105853 ID: 85f7d3
>>105847

>My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.

Yeah, basically I'm presuming that if I move on to 3-gun I'll get something else for trap and skeet like a Super Vinci or something. I know that the M2 and the M3000 can both become 3 gun shotguns through basic mods, but they can operate as trap/skeet guns immediately. Doe that make sense? It's why I'm not looking at a Vinci now; it can be a trap/skeet gun but it really doesn't have the aftermarket to support it as a 3 gun shotgun.

I also forgot to mention, but having the ability to get a Slug barrel would be nice as well. Here in Ohio most firearm deer hunting seems do be done with shotguns and the option would be good. Though it's a secondary concern, I could probably pick up a used 870 Police Magnum and get a slug barrel for not all that much.
>> No. 105864 ID: 241b9d
>>105853

Plenty of slugs work fine without rifling though. So depending on what you aim for, a dedicated slug barrel may not be required.


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105862 No. 105862 ID: 6ef9f1 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
So, lets say I took a .32acp pistol and decided to huff some crack. I also own a reloading bench. Recently I read the wikipedia for the 5.7mm round.

I decide to handload, spend a bunch of time and effort putting a spitzer round with a plastic/aluminum core. My goal is to get the highest velocity possible without the gun exploding in my hands.

Is my pistol likely to feed this abomination and what kind of performance can I expect?
>> No. 105863 ID: 241b9d
.32ACP pistols tend to be simple blowback operated. Overloading little pot metal pistols may cause the runaway slide to kick some of your teeth in as it goes flying off to freedom.


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105840 No. 105840 ID: df12a0 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
DIAMONDBACK DB308G2B
Product Specs:
Model: DB308G2B
Caliber: .308 WIN
Finish: Black Anodized Hardcoat
Barrel: 16” Mid-Length Gas system
Twist Rate: 1:10
Gas System: Mid-Length Gas System
Bolt Carrier Group: Azimuth Black Nitride, AR 10 Carrier w/ Multi-Cal Bolt, DPMS Style Barrel Extension, High Pressure Firing Pin
Lower: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
Upper: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum
Handguard: 15” M-LOK Q.D. Rail
Pistol Grip: A2
Stock: Rogers Super Stock
Mag: 20 Round Aluminum
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>> No. 105849 ID: f2172d
Given their track record with their .380 pocket pistols, I'd pass on anything Diamondback. That being said, we sold their AR pistols like hotcakes cause their price point was so affordable.

Why not a PSA .308 build?
>> No. 105851 ID: aaf1f1
Didn't know Diamondback is no longer owned by Taurus.
http://www.diamondbackforum.com/index.php?topic=3914.0
>> No. 105852 ID: df12a0
>>105849
...because I essentially traded a rifle for a rifle, and this was the closest in value to my used shit, while still the same caliber.


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