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99018 No. 99018 ID: 86d09e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Our most common pistol designs shooting full power ammo are by virtue of their specific locking systems not using fixed barrels. This has some obvious drawbacks, from losing some inherent accuracy to being unable to statically mount sights. Fixed barrel designs also tend to have less (comparative) recoil due to the fact the bolt has lower weight than the entire slide which moves on the conventional designs.

However, fixed barrel designs for center fire autos are few & far inbetween.
The most recent one would be the Korth PRS. Costs a pretty penny, but virtue of the name alone, but supposedly low recoiling and accurate.
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>> No. 99121 ID: 455b93
>>99115
That's was a wild ride, thanks for posting
>> No. 102077 ID: 82ec3d
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102077
You all forgot the problem solver.
>> No. 102082 ID: f2172d
>>102077
We all did, except when I mentioned Hi-points here. >>99035
>> No. 102083 ID: 52ed6e
>>102082
I don't see "Glock 40" in that post at all.
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>>102083
> talking about Glock 40
> not posting picture of Glock 40


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102070 No. 102070 ID: 1519ac hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I love the look of the Remington model 81 but I don't want to use an archaic cartridge. I want to convert one to a modern cartridge, possibly 10mm Auto since the 81 is available in .30 remington, the parent cartridge of 10mm. Can anyone tell me if the barrel is one piece with the takedown interface, or if it is threaded/pressed/pinned? Also tell me I'm dumb and don't need more projects I don't have time for.
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>> No. 102073 ID: 19518e
>short answer
Start handloading.

>long answer
I'm sure the Rem 81 is a fairly strong action, but the cartridges were loaded usually under 40k CUP. Few modern rounds are that mild, but I don't think it would blow up the rifle to chamber it in another similar rifle caliber. Since it's a long recoil, I severely doubt 10mm Auto would cycle it; more than that, the action is meant for rifle rounds and getting it to feed pistol ammo would be another headache. The 30 Rem is similar to a 7.62x39 in muzzle energy, but the case is bigger and lower pressure and the bore is 308 instead of 311, yet I would likely start there if you do want to convert it somehow. It'll be pretty damn expensive either way to have a barrel made or the original rechambered or bored out and sleeved or whatever you end up trying. It'll be honestly a shitton more than a press, dies, and brass.

Also, cutting a rifle round barely halfway up the case body and "parent cartridge" is a bit of a adventure time jake-rubber-band-for-miles stretch when you're going for something that can cycle and feed in a rifle...
>> No. 102074 ID: fb893e
The easy answer is to reload. Get one in .35 Remington so you have an excuse to get a Marlin 336 and reload for them both.
>> No. 102078 ID: 54180e
>>102074
I actually just got myself a marlin in .35 rem for christmas. Going to reload it with my cast 158gr flat noses I use in .38spl/.357mag.
Classy as shit and hard thumping.
Got it after IV8888 did their brush gun video and I saw it used my favorite imr 4320 powder.
>> No. 102080 ID: a4650c
>.30 remington, the parent cartridge of 10mm

And also the parent cartridge for 6.8 SPC, if you wanted an off-the-shelf caliber that'd be actually really handy in a little takedown gun like that.

Afaik the takedown assembly/barrel extension is probably pressed/pinned. Not certain, but if push came to shove a good machinist should be able to salvage that part and assemble it to a new barrel. I've seen K31s rebarelled by reusing the chamber end, anything's possible.
>> No. 102081 ID: fb893e
>>102078
You. I like you. I don't reload yet, but doing that is a long term goal of mine once I do. I have a soft spot for Marlin 336s, but don't/can't hunt with a rifle in my state, so a .30-30 or .35 Remington is dumb. A .35 Remington loaded to .357 Mag levels would be a great, affordable plinker.

And I could get a Model 8/81 and try to make it run with reduced power loads.


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101761 No. 101761 ID: df2ea8 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
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>> No. 101794 ID: 22c903
>>101767
false.

If you own a combination, you simply become an Operator. The slimiest scuzzball freakazoid of them all.
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>>101794
Disgusting.
>> No. 102066 ID: 93d2fd
"pistol caliber carbines were the best thing for home defense." Almost had me going. Needs to cover the sbr .308, AR-10, VZ, ARAK,rifle caliber pistols, and K2.
>> No. 102076 ID: addd7a
>FAL

It'd be an SLR. Filthy non-imperial peasants.
>> No. 102079 ID: cdc490
What about the guy that owns a single handgun, no long guns, doesn't shoot as a hobby, but hangs around on OPchan?


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101628 No. 101628 ID: 2ed649 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So I'm massively depressed because I just bought this, I'm in love, and I can't shoot it because I've injured my back. I can't even hold it offhand, but hopefully I'll be good to bench it in a week or so.

Question is, am I stupid for thinking this could be a decent DMR? Like maybe a poor man's EBR? I'm thinking of getting trigger work, and an SWFA SS 3-15x scope. I already have 15 mags for it, and I'm thinking of getting more. I just like the way it looks and feels. This is my first .308 rifle, so I'm actually a little intimidated, but excited too.
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>> No. 101670 ID: 2ed649
>>101665
You could always have that paddle installed. It feels way more natural than the button, even though I can somehow reach it.
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>>101670

Yeah, I just can't decide if I want to drop the money for it. I was going to get a Tac-Latch, saw them in stock for the longest time, finally went to order one and they were sold out and apparently the company went out of business.
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>>101662
Here's a pic of the SWFA 10x scope I had on the mount previously, after shooting the HCAR. Maybe my mount is screwed up. We'll see what happens with the loctite and liquid electrical tape.
>> No. 101987 ID: 2ed649
Update: I finally got out to the range. Rifle is good to go for DMR kind of stuff. From a rest it does 1.5" groups at 100m. I'm sure I could get a bit more by reloading, but not likely as of yet. Going to save up for good glass, but in the meantime, scored a scope from a sniper buddy of mine in exchange for some computer help (kek). It's the SWFA 10x I was originally going for, but this is the side focus model. I was going to mount it, but I just realized I have no idea the right way to do it. I also don't have a vise, so I guess I'll have to wait a while to get more done one it. Also, does anyone know how to remove the rear sight? This scope has a nice eye relief, but with the sight on, I either have to get taller rings, or I have to get a spacer for the stock. I'm also going to make a cheek pad from foam. I would order a cheek pad, but that seems not worth it when you realize that this is done all the time on the M110, at least from what I've seen.

To be honest, dealing with this has shown me that while I may know how to do the firing solutions, I have no idea how to do deal with the actual equipment. I've never had to mount my own optics. The one thing I don't think it will need is a new trigger. I seem to do well enough with it.
>> No. 102026 ID: 9dcda2
>>101987
Sweet dude. Glad you got a good shooter. 1.5 MOA will still get shit done.

I shot a Century CETME thing a few weeks ago and it was pretty fun. The usual gripes about the G3 pattern guns, recoil and trigger, wasn't bad at all.


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101800 No. 101800 ID: af86ff hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I bought a thing
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>>101808
Converting the beretta mags for CZs? I just milled out the mag catch until it caught. It ended up pretty huge, if I was going to do it again I would just cut a new slot in the right spot. I was never able to get them to lock back reliably.
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Pistol caliber carbines are fun!
My old Marlin Camp 45 loads Colt M1911 mags and is fun to shoot. Kind of a hassle to clean, though.
>> No. 101875 ID: 7d1c98
>>101836

Damn, I love those Marlin Camp guns, really wish someone was making a classy wood and steel .45 carbine these days.

OP's Storm is nice, that is a super reliable and fun to shoot carbine, but most of the options on the market, like the Hi-Point and Kel-Tec carbines, are pretty craptastic.

CZ's Scorpion Evo 3 is extremely awesome, but pretty expensive. I'd love to see Ruger or Marlin bring a modern version of a wood furniture camp/ranch pistol carbine to the market in 9mm and/or .45ACP, I'd be all over something like that.
>> No. 101941 ID: 721241
>>101800
Own one, love it, converted my shooting friends into buying and loving them. "More" are on my buy list. I'd love a spare plus a third to live in my trunk.
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>>101801
>a poor mans MP7
Could've gotten Masterpiece Arms' 5.7 carbine, or pistol if you're considering SBR.


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101816 No. 101816 ID: f11f4d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So I'm putting together my first AR-15. Already have an upper I like, but I need a sanity check on some of the other bits.
Lower: As best as I can tell, billet or forged, it don't matter. Just pick something I like the look of and call it a day.
Lower parts kits: Also doesn't matter, right?

Triggers: Now here's my real question, what do you guys look for in a trigger? I'm just going to be shooting paper and ground squirrels.
Everywhere I look it's "Geissele, Geissele, Geissele". It's a bit goofy to me that the damn things are 2-4 times the cost of the lower they are supposed to go in. Do they really deserve the hype, or is there something that I won't tell the difference from that's a quarter of the price? I can certainly understand why people get excited about nice triggers, I've shot a bit with an AR-15 where the best thing to say about the trigger was that it was functional. Money isn't really the concern beyond the fact I'd prefer to burn it on ammo than a name, and I'd also rather get something that I'm not going to want to replace.
What do ya'll run?
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>> No. 101877 ID: 9dcda2
>>101871
Having seen a lot of 80% builds / paperweights, it can be pretty hard.

As long as you go with a reputable company you're good to go. Pick a roll mark you like.
>> No. 101878 ID: caf239
>>101877
I picked mine on price, went with an Anderson. Ended up getting a nice roll mark incidentally. It's made in Kentucky and has a horsey on it, it's all I could ever want.
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I actually will never again skimp on a random lower unless I can pre-test upper fit. You don't have to spend more than $75, but through experience, a lower really is not a lower.

So my SI Defense lower was kind of eh to start with years ago. I was a dummy that was originally going to spend an extra $100 just because I thought the Noveske roll mark was cool still is, but ended up getting the SI after happening on them in a pawn shop and seeing they were made in Montana. The white oak armament upper receiver (adco assembly with DD barrel) is a standard slightly wobbly fit (total mutt rifle), but the holes were totally out of spec. I had to sand the shit out of my safety button to get it to fit and errything else took a little extra pounding to get in place. Once assembled everything is fine, just wouldn't buy another one.

Fast forward a few years and I'm building a rifle for waifu and father. I had a couple what should have been $50 wonder lowers from Delaware Machinery that my dad had bought for me in 2012 as a Christmas present from a local bubba shop and just gave him one. I wanted waifu to have a really wobble free, relatively premium everything rifle so I splurged on a whopping $70 Aero Precision because they have a nice clean roll mark and more importantly that extra set screw to tighten things up.

Both of the rifles are solid with nice ALG handguards and high end BCG's and components otherwise, but the upper to lower fit on that delaware machinery is fucking atrocious. I actually have to break it over my knee to get it to open. I have to kneel on it to get it to squeeze down enough to push in the rear pin. I break it in a little more each time I'm over there, but fuck that lower is ass. The hole for the mag release button was visibly crooked too. I tested it with multiple uppers and it is just cheap shit. It works fine for now functionally, and my dad loves the rifle regardless, but I think we'll eventually move everything over to another Aero Precision. Of all the builds I've helped with, Aero precision has always been tight, but still easy to pop pins. Have never actually used the tightening set screw.

The Anderson's look...like a lower, but I've never tried building off of one. Can't really say one way or another on those and am not really that anxious to try after those dumb delaware machinery things. Billet is usually a huge waste of money and only adds bulk and gayness.

TL:DR; Get an Aero for an extra $20 and save yourself a headache.
>> No. 101911 ID: 61ded9
SI Defense had a terrible reputation for first 556 lowers they put out for Arfcom group buy and went straight downhill. Consensus is they make good product now and excellent 308 stuff.

A lower is a lower if made from one of the big machine shops that supply most of everyones lowers. There are still maybe out of spec lowers towards the end of runs that might make it through. Small shop lowers just getting into lowers and i'd say chance go up. I sent a new brands cheap lowers I bought of aimsurplus back a few times because I was sent out of spec lowers. Anderson is a known quantity, reputable basic lower.
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>>101911
SI Defense is now FALKOR Defense


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101784 No. 101784 ID: a5507d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2016/trump-releases-his-plan-for-2nd-amendment-leaves-millions-furious.html
The two big ones that I parsed through are
>Trump would do away with pointless and ineffective gun and magazine bans and suggested fixing the current background check system already in place, rather than expanding a broken system.
>Furthermore, Trump proposed a national right to carry, a national concealed carry reciprocity law that would compel states to recognize the concealed carry permits of any other state, exactly as drivers licenses from anywhere are accepted by all states today.
Considering that a few people live in states like NY or CA like me, this is pretty good news
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>> No. 101855 ID: c550c6
>>101827
>I'd love to see SBR/SBS lengths reduced by even 2-4 inches as a bolt-on to the HPA

Or just eliminate the restrictions completely because there ridiculous and theoretically unenforceable.
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>>101855
>> No. 101874 ID: 7d1c98
The question is will there be resistance from manufacturers who fear competition from innovative smaller companies?

Imagine if suppressors, for example, just became full blown legal with no tax stamps or background checks,you can buy them just like buying some spare mags, the big names in suppressors will probably be in deep shit financially because their business models and products are based entirely around making big profits with the current legal situation.

If, all of a sudden, anyone can buy suppressors and damn near anyone can manufacture them, you'll see high quality suppressors flooding the market from small companies with low overhead and small teams of employees. The big names in the business do not want that and they likely DGAF your actual rights or shooting enjoyment, they want to make money.

This is why gun companies and the NRA supported the 1968 GCA to fight surplus machine guns being easy to acquire and affordable. Manufacturers will support anti-2A legislation and gun control when they stand to make more money from it.
>> No. 101892 ID: b70387
>>101874
Without having to go through the whole NFA process, a lot more people are liable to buy a suppressor or two. In that situation, manufacturers can stand to lower their per-unit margin and still make more profit overall.

The $200 tax stamp favors more expensive, higher-quality suppressors, because it's easier to justify paying such a ridiculous tax when it makes up a less significant proportion of the overall cost. Without that tax, the market is likely to become flooded with lower-quality, cheaper suppressors. Current suppressor manufacturers may develop cheaper suppressors to compete in this portion of the market, but even if they don't, it's unlikely to hurt them all that much. The Olympic Armses and Bushmasters of the world don't put BCM and Noveske out of business, because some people value quality.

I doubt that new companies that could realistically develop high-quality designs have been kept out of the market by the NFA process. SilencerCo was founded in 2008, for instance.
>> No. 101896 ID: 1519ac
>>101874
I mean, SilencerCo is a huge part of the push for the HPA. I think they're counting on there being enough market to go around and the fact that they've already done the R&D and have a reputation to give them an advantage. I'd be surprised if the other manufacturers disagreed.


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101775 No. 101775 ID: 63b659 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Dear Operators,

I might have chance to acquire Norinco's CQ-A but after reading of internet forums I would like to ask here for a word of advice - are the Norinco products any good? Friend of mine has MP-5 clone and it's fairly delicious in terms of accuracy and reliability but what about the AR platform? Is this as good as any?

Issues regarding the weapon that concern me the most are:
1. reliability of action
2. accuracy of weapon
3. durability of materials and quality of construction
4. compatibility and interchangeability of parts
5. common malfunctions

What are the pros and cons of Norinco CQ-A?

Anybody got any experience with Norinco products or even their ARs and would like to share their story? Please, come on in and feel welcome.
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Of course "Proudly Made in USA" is the only and the most bestest etc etc. On the other hand there is not much to expect from few hundred dulla AR.

But still if anyone has anymore piece of info to share feel welcome.
>> No. 101783 ID: 6057a8
I got one, but now it's more like an LR-300 so it isn't really relevant to the discussion so much.

My buddy has one. LR-300 conversion of mine aside, they're both the usual Chinese copy firearm deal; not the greatest fit and finish, unknown material, and often dubious material quality.

The good is that they're cheap, and they work. If they break, they're easy to fix like any other AR-15, and if they really get FUBAR'd at least you're not out an arm and a dick. They're good like that to get and beat around/modify because of the cheap factor, even if you bubba a modification somehow it's not like you ruined anything of value.

Accuracy is functional, the rougher kinda triggers make it hard to find out exactly how accurate they are or aren't, but the ARs seem to float around 2 to 3 arcmin with good ammo.
>> No. 101786 ID: 3a0755
Thanks for info man!
>> No. 101790 ID: c550c6
>>101780
>Shoddy Chinese garbage or something to be expected of a $700 AR?

I wonder how something low tier like PTAC stands up to the Chicom ARs?
>> No. 101809 ID: 5f423f
Having gotten to handle and fire a few Norinco 1911s and ARs, my attitude is that you get way more than what you pay for.
I've seen a few guys buy a Nork 1911 for 300 syrupdollars, spend another 500 on premium parts and fit and polish the thing into a really really nice pistol for far less than an equivalent would cost.

AR that lasted 12k rounds before it needed a new barrel is par for the course is it not? At 700 bucks its great value.
Their m14s are good as well


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101795 No. 101795 ID: 072837 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
where could i find prints or schematics for an encom em 9???? me and my friend are trying to restore an old one to working condition and it's missing the bolt and some springs. i have access to a machine shop to make the parts but i have no idea what i'd have to make. thank you for your time.
>> No. 101796 ID: 1e7323
According to this site, there's less than 5K made in .45 and 9mm: http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=279

I checked Numrich and couldn't find any parts under the different company names, so I find it unlikely you can dig up any blueprints or parts easily.

The good news is, the bolt/bolt face looks pretty straight forward.
https://youtu.be/ohkVBUCvFN0?t=1m21s

If you're not trying to re-create the exact part, for a blowback 9mm you have some creative license. I am not an engineer, and check for multiple corroborating sources, but Orion's Hammer has a table for some blowback bolt mass by caliber. http://www.orions-hammer.com/blowback/

Some history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lVhIoVlYus


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101585 No. 101585 ID: 983596 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Do such things exist? Is it possible to rig a flash hider on something like pic related?

I'm interested.

Or maybe something like a SW J Frame?
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>> No. 101627 ID: 63313b
>>101615
Or you could use internal-piston cartridges...but that renders the need for a flash hider moot anyways.
>> No. 101630 ID: 454a4b
>>101627

Sure, but that's hardly common. For optimal use you'd need to lengthen the cylinder considerably to leave place for the captive piston (though not "Taurus Judge" long). Smaller cartridges would significantly reduce the effectiveness.
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>>101627
That's some rare and highly specialized silent ammo.
The first noiseless cartridge developed by Stechkin was designated SP-1 (Spetsialnyj Patron 1 – Special Cartridge model 1). It was based on 9×18 case, loaded with special bi-caliber bullet and small piston, which was located between bullet base and powder charge. The bullet had front part of 7.62mm caliber, with base being of 9mm caliber, and it was intended to be fired through the squeeze-bored barrel with decreased caliber muzzle. That way, bullet base was squeezed to the 7.62mm and then free to exit the bore, while the piston was jammed in the bore, capturing powder gases inside the barrel. Of cause, this system was to be used only in manually loaded single-shot weapons, and one such weapon (declassified recently) was made to imitate a tin cigarette case, with three 9 / 7.62mm barrels and firing mechanism fitted inside.

The SP-1 cartridge never went past prototype stage, but within several years Stechkin designed his next internally silenced cartridge, known as SP-2. This one also contained a small powder charge behind the piston, but this time powder gases were to be captured inside the bottlenecked cartridge case, which looked somewhat similar to that of the 7.62×39 M43 round. Since the pusher piston was relatively short, and before discharge seated deep in the cartridge case, the bullet had to be made long, but relatively light. To achieve this, Stechkin used metal jacket taken from an unassembled 7.62mm pistol (7.62×25) bullet and fitted it with aluminum core that extended back from the jacket to rest on the piston.

This round apparently was produced in very limited numbers and used in some ‘Q-style’ weapons, such as the three-shot pistol disguised as a tin cigarette container. Also, it was probably used in the earliest model of the more convenient-looking two-barrel derringer-type pistol, which served as a predecessor to the MSP pistol described below. http://www.forgottenweapons.com/russian-silent-ammunition/
- Integrally silenced ammunition compared to standard Soviet ammunition, L to R: standard 9×18 PM, 7.62 SP-2, 7.62 SP-3 loaded, 7.62 SP-3 fired case (note extended two-stage piston and re-formed case neck), standard 7.62×39 M43, standard 7.62x54R, 7.62 PZAM (loaded round and fired case with extended single-piece piston). Image courtesy of Yuri Bushin.
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Soviet silenced pistols: 9×18 PB pistol (top), S4M (middle), and MSP (bottom)
>> No. 101782 ID: 2fbe6d
You could but the batfeholes argue that each of those cartridges would require a 200$ anti freedom tax as they are according to tech branch silencers in their own right.


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