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No. 107511 ID: bcc5a6 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
  I'm done with .22lr all together.

I originally was looking into air guns as a replacement plinker because of .22 prices being forever inflated when I discovered big bore air rifles and learned I can shoot them cheaper than .22.

I'm now more interested in these than I am with guns considering there's not a lot to get excited about in the firearm world. While airguns are experiencing leaps and bounds in tech and they're only getting better.
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>> No. 107575 ID: e47582
Yeah, I'm sensing some rose tinted glasses. Even if it were that cheap at that time, the dollar doesn't go as far for anything as it did back then. 5 cents per round is absolutely a reasonable price right now.

Meanwhile, where are you getting 50 caliber pellets for less than 22lr prices? Best I'm seeing on them is like 20 cents per.
>> No. 107576 ID: 274941

In 2006 I grabbed a bulk deal that was less than 1 cpr. Hardly the norm, though.

For air slugs being less than .22, he has to be talking about casting, which doesn’t take into account time gathering range scrap, smelting cost, tools, and electricity/propane cost. Hardly less than 6 cpr.
>> No. 107577 ID: e35b40
In 2008, I typically paid $20 for a 525 round box of Remington Golden Bullets. .22lr is easy to find again in stores in my area, but the price has stayed up at the 8 to 11 cpr range.
>> No. 107578 ID: 81886a
Well, it's been a long time, I think it was actually the 1000rd bricks. Still cheap as fuck.

I am talking about casting. I've spent plenty of time casting boolits for muzzleloaders, I don't see my time spent on it as a monetary expense if it's simply supporting my hobby. And tools are one time expenses.

Definitely cheaper than a powder burner.
>> No. 107583 ID: 3b76e9
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The original CO2 guns looked good.

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107529 No. 107529 ID: 5a1e0c hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Here we present a S.A.C.M. (Societe Alsacienne de Constructions Mecaniques) Model 1935A Pistol, made circa the 1940s. This is a semi-automatic pistol chambered for the 7.65M Longue (.32 Long) cartridge. It was developed by the Swiss Charles Petter and used by the French Army (not to mention the Nazi Germans during their occupation of France) in several wars and was the official sidearm of the French military until 1950. This single action semi-automatic pistol design was purchased by Sig, which would eventually use the patents to produce the legendary P210 pistol. The SACM, however, would go onto see combat in the First Indochina War (Vietnam 1946-54) and the Algerian War (1954-62).

The left side of this specimen reads “Mle 1935A” and “S.A.C.M.” It comes in a very nice corduroy lined brown leather holster originally made for a Tokarev.
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>> No. 107568 ID: 9bce22
>"Sunngård's concept was that in a gunfight, someone with his pistol could goad their opponent into firing 7 or 8 rounds (the typical capacity of an automatic pistol at the time), and they exploit an advantage when the opponent had to reload. Presumably, one would make sure not to get hit by any of those first 7 or 8 rounds…"

So the idea behind this was literally "shoot me and see what happens asshole."
>> No. 107569 ID: de533c
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Exactly. Such was the selling point of higher capacity pistols in the 1890s that touted having a few more shots than a standard revolver and in a detachable magazine that could be reloaded faster. All true, but most gunfights typically were over after only a few shots were fired.

Such as with the Borchardt C-93 (Construktion 93) semi-automatic pistol that was designed by Hugo Borchardt and Georg Luger in 1893 based upon the Maxim toggle-bolt design. Borchardt also developed the high-velocity bottlenecked 7.65×25mm Borchardt cartridge for the C-93. With about 1,100 manufactured by Loewe and nearly 2,000 more produced by Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken, the Borchardt C-93 was the first mass-produced semi-automatic pistol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borchardt_C-93

The 7.65×25mm Borchardt had an 8-round detachable box magazine, but that wasn't much more firepower than a standard six-shooter. Pistols like the Borchardt and the 10-shot Mauser C96 were technology demonstrators that ushered in the time of the automatics.
>> No. 107570 ID: de533c
  Early Automatic Pistols https://youtu.be/t51TgOlnSSc
Forgotten Weapons - Published on Jul 21, 2011
A general look at a couple of early automatic pistol designs, and what they have in common. We have a Bergmann-Bayard M1910/21, a C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser, and an Astra M900.
>> No. 107571 ID: de533c
  Development of the Luger Automatic Pistol https://youtu.be/rIX1EL1hTmE
Lugers! there are approximately a gazillion different recognized varieties, because the pistol became so popular and iconic. And yet...they all kinda look the same, don't they? (If you are a Luger collector, don't answer that!) A great many ( I daresay the significant majority) of the Luger variations are minor changes in production details. So, what was involved in the mechanical evolution of the Luger?

Not much, really - which is a testament to the talents of Georg Luger. He got the gun almost totally right on his first try. There are, however, two major variants of the Luger mechanically - the 1900 model and the 1906 model. In this video I will walk through the differences between these two, as well as the initial Borchardt pistol that Luger used as his starting point and a couple other relevant milestones (a Swiss trials gun and a transitional French trials gun). And since they are the most common of the military models, we will also take a quick look at the German Army, Navy, and Artillery models.
>> No. 107579 ID: 9dcda2
Timely! Ian discusses the Sunngård Automatic Pistol.

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107547 No. 107547 ID: 5f7a01 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
This is a long shot but does anyone know of any good lectures on current european military strength? All I am finding is propaganda films with troop and equipment numbers over them. None of them go into how much of the equipment is modernized, how much is well maintained. None of them detail how many of their troops, ncos, and officers are actually combat veterans. None of them detail arms supplies and logistical capabilities.
There is always speculation but I am wondering if anyone has gone through and compiled all of this information in an easy to consume lecture or report. More specifically if they have done it since 2016.
Pic unrelated

This is a repost
>> No. 107548 ID: 577256
>I am wondering if anyone has gone through and compiled all of this information in an easy to consume lecture or report

I'm sure someone has (for their full time job).
Do you also want to know IADS postures, capabilities, and activity levels? Do you also want to know operational plans? Readiness reports?

All I'm saying is that it's a lot of important stuff and people who go to the effort of analzying it are unlikely to make it publically available.
>> No. 107558 ID: f0fb5d
What you're asking for is military geostrategic analysis. People with PhDs do that and command consultancy fees for it or write books. By the time it gets to people like you and me, it's old and watered down or generalized into stuff you can read on Wikipedia or the CIA World Factbook.

I think your best bet might be to follow the works and musings of geopolitical strategists like Thomas P. M. Barnett, formerly of Wikistrat, or George Friedman, formerly of Stratfor. Actually, subscribing to consultancies like Wikistrat or Stratfor or their ilk would probably be your best-best bet but that's probably dumb expensive to the point where only institutional entities can afford it.
>> No. 107559 ID: f0fb5d
There are also blogs and minor publications like Blogs of War and Small Wars Journal. Moreover there are policy research organizations like the Institute for the Study of War and the Center for a New American Security and others. But again, everything you're getting is always someone's opinion on quantitative, qualitative and uncertain knowledge and unverifiable facts. And nobody's focus, as far as I know, is to specifically keep track of and publicly post and objective report on the military strength of any given country or group of countries.

That's full time jobs for many highly qualified people, trying to expose things that are secretive, embarrassing, illegal or otherwise hard to pin down.

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107486 No. 107486 ID: afa433 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
What's this? A fixed barrel, split slide pistol with swappable top rail? Supposedly gas operated?

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>> No. 107492 ID: a3b2e7
looks heavy
>> No. 107499 ID: f0fb5d
Looks super neat. I hope it catches on but gas operated pistols haven't so far, so...

Before I knew it was gas operated, I imagined it being some sort of on-its-head tilting action, like your typical short-recoil pistol action but turned upside down somehow so that the rear of the barrel is pivoted up instead of down during unlocking.
>> No. 107500 ID: 758a23
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I wonder if they could use a rotating barrel system like the Beretta PX4.

I shot a PX4 and found it unremarkable. Pretty much identical to any other polymer frame hammer fired gun.
>> No. 107501 ID: afa433
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Plenty of options for the action, but it's a testament to Browning's prowess that most guns use a derivative of his system. From delayed blowback like the Avenger was (https://www.m1911.org/hogueavenger.htm) to the roller locked Korth PRS (https://kortharms.com/de/pistol-prs-5.html), there were plenty of options for fixed barrels.
I find it odd that they'd go for gas operated, but I'm curious about it anyway.

>I wonder if they could use a rotating barrel system like the Beretta PX4

It's a fixed barrel. A rotating barrel would ruin that idea.
>> No. 107502 ID: f2172d

I have never had a good experience with the PX4. I played with one that when you engaged the safety, half the time the hammer did not decock (although the concept of carrying a cocked and locked Beretta was amusing). The last time I fired one (about 3 months ago) I had several stoppages, mainly failure to extract.

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107424 No. 107424 ID: 9e97c8 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
did bump stocks get banned yet or are they still legal?
>> No. 107425 ID: e35b40
bump stocks suck
get a binary trigger instead
>> No. 107426 ID: ca222d
Banned in my state, WA
>> No. 107428 ID: c60885
Binary triggers also suck and are in fact dangerous

Full auto in general has limited application, any gimped form of it is of no use.
>> No. 107429 ID: 5c87e8
>Full auto in general has limited application, any gimped form of it is of no use.
Thats the sour grapes talking kid
>> No. 107489 ID: 815268
i think they just banned full semi auto

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107349 No. 107349 ID: 6b2b62 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Ballistics gel of .223/5.56 only.
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>> No. 107370 ID: a3a79d
Jesus, that's so much better than everything else.
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>> No. 107404 ID: c51e6b
longbois btfo in ballistics but mid gas is still king
>> No. 107405 ID: bd9939
While this is nothing to scoff at it bums me out a bit in comparison to the TSX. I wonder which soft point was used and whether it was bonded or not. I was going to warmly load up a few hundred of my pulled 62 grain federal fusions for my 10.5 inch braced pistol I keep handy in my truck, but if these are something great like a nosler partition vs a cheapo cup and core I'm afraid the performance out of my barrel length might be mediocre if that's as deep as a 14.5 inch could drive it.

Dat TSX though. Jesusth. I wish I could get a good source for them. I was able to get a couple thousand piece commercial bags of the 145 grain LRX's for my .280 AI for like 20 cents per boolit Hopefully some .224 diameter shows up on the market as such.
>> No. 107423 ID: bec165
Cool pictures are one thing, interpreting the data is another.

DocGKR will even admit, not every round performed the same way. M855 for example is notorious for inconsistency with fragmentation.

Also be sure to assess your own requirements and needs based on what you think you'll need.
IE: "NONE of the fragmenting 5.56 mm OTM bullets, even the heavy 75 - 100 gr loads, offer acceptable performance through automobile windshield glass. Contrary to what many believe, M193 & M855 FMJ are not very good against glass; the best military 5.56 mm load against glass is 52 gr M995 AP, followed by the 62 gr Mk318 Mod0 OTM and 70 gr Optimal "brown tip" OTM."


Most are tested down to 10.4" at a minimum, sometimes shorter like 8.9".

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107373 No. 107373 ID: 8e191e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Fun fact: you can conceal any size fixed blade knife in the state of Nevada with a ccw. This recent revelation, combined with the fact the missus still won't let me have funz (you put a pistol to your head one time), has got me seriously considering buying a real noif.

Two part question: which one and how should I train with it? I'm currently thinking the Buck 619 Bowie knife and there's a martial arts studio down the road teaching Eskrima. I can be swayed otherwise.
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>> No. 107403 ID: c27283
>Buck's 420HC
>hard to sharpen
Man, I'd hate to see those guys try to sharpen a steel that's ACTUALLY hard to sharpen like ZDP-189.
>> No. 107406 ID: 3eed6b
to be frank, I hope you have some background in martial arts. it's really fun and games if you start this as a hobby and such.

but it's really depends how much good your instructor is
and how much effort you willing to give.

to be realistic here, an experienced Eskrima instructor can probably show you all them flashy moves of disarming a guy with a knife.

it's always good things to think if what you learn at course you can apply in self defense and not some sport class you do for fun.

just go there and try ,it is always a good thing to learn new stuff, but as I remember from my krav maga days you will probably start with the basics and spear with plastic knives and start from zero like everyone else.
>> No. 107408 ID: ce584a
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>> No. 107411 ID: bd9939
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Out in the world I would literally rather carry pepper spray than just a knife for defensive use. You still have to get in way too close to use that big dumb knife.

However, due to work being as corporatey as corporate big box stores get and not letting us carry guns or spray while we sell guns, often to customers open carrying guns I've taken a couple small precautions because of some total psychos I've gotten into it with over the years.

In addition to an every day folder, I've started carrying a Cold Steel counter tac II boot knife zip tied to an ankle wrap meant for a Gerber ghost strike off of ebay. It's an inexpensive dorky little knife with average but useable steel that is more than adequate for this role and not a huge loss if it gets lost or has to be ditched.This is about bottom of my list of what I want for defensive use besides harsh words and clawing at the eyes, but it conceals well and is weightless while providing a very last ditch avenue.

Also, I bought some British police surplus covert II soft armor that's also level 1 stab protection off of ebay. It makes my shoulder blades look funny, but several months in I still wear it every day under a dorky tucked in uniform shirt. I am the mall ninja of the night.

While I disagree with Revived's full sentiment, it is probably time to stop being a drunk weirdo and carry a real, effective weapon responsibly as in that dumb revolver instead of something as ineffective and dangerous as a knife though. Time to man up there, dad.
>> No. 107422 ID: e62225
You are absolutely right.

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107413 No. 107413 ID: fdd46a hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Belgian license made colt lego assembled in turkey
stamped .31
barrel index to .32
chambers index to .34

With a bit of trouble i can push a .311 lee roundball trough the barrel
Is the gun mislabeled by illiterate turks ?
Did someone swap the drum ?
What is going on here

Pic related similar gun
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>> No. 107417 ID: b93da1
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US Colt 1856 'Wells Fargo' Model .31 with ivory grips.
>> No. 107418 ID: b93da1
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US Colt Model 1849 .31 pocket revolver, 4-inch barrel.
>> No. 107419 ID: b93da1
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And a US Colt Model 1849 .31 percussion pocket revolver with a 5-inch barrel.
>> No. 107420 ID: b93da1
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>> No. 107421 ID: b93da1
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And an engraved Colt Model 1849 .31 pocket revolver with ivory grips & 4-inch barrel.

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107412 No. 107412 ID: 49da9b hide watch quickreply [Reply]

just leaving this here because tony williams used to come and discuss airplane guns with us on the hitechcreations forums way back around the turn of the century and he is still running his own old fashioned niche website. so many of those old sites have disappeared. i still like them better than wikipedia.
this one is still around too

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107317 No. 107317 ID: 6ef9f1 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I have some questions.

I am not enough of a warlock to figure this out on my own:
In california, would it be legal to build an AR pistol if I used a grip like the one pictured, and a stabilizing brace?

What else would I need to avoid to keep it technically featureless?
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>> No. 107342 ID: 301082
"Double Deuce" 2-Bore Rifle: A Gunsmithing Spectacle https://youtu.be/OYlDgwo52tI
Sold for:
Double Deuce rifle: $6,900
Lil' Deuce pistol: $4,313

The largest sporting rifles ever actually used in the field as more than an exhibition were 4-bore stopping rifles, firing roughly 1" in diameter (25mm) projectiles. These were intended to not simply kill a dangerous animal, but to stop it immediately in a charge, which might require shooting through thick bone or horn protection. For that purpose, the 4-bore could have some value - assuming you had an assistant to carry it when danger was not imminent!

However, there have been a number of gunsmiths who have built 2-bore rifles, like this example named "Double Deuce" by its maker, Stolzer & Son of Kansas. At 44 pounds, this behemoth is definitely too heavy for practical use, but it sure is an impressively huge piece of work! It fires a 1.33" (33.8mm) ball weighing 3500gr (227g) at about 1250fps (380 m/s)...if you can hold it on target long enough to get an accurate shot.
>> No. 107344 ID: 6ef9f1
As it turns out, any pistol with a magazine outside the grip is an assault weapon.

This state sucks.
>> No. 107345 ID: 301082
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- German Bergmann Model 1896 No. 2 5-shot pistol in 5mm Bergmann.
>> No. 107368 ID: 6ef9f1
yep. Also any pistol with a barrel shroud/handguard
>> No. 107369 ID: c05011
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High capacity like a motherfuck!
- Bergmann Simplex 1901 in 8mm Simplex with 8-round special magazine.

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