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101775 No. 101775 ID: 63b659 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Dear Operators,

I might have chance to acquire Norinco's CQ-A but after reading of internet forums I would like to ask here for a word of advice - are the Norinco products any good? Friend of mine has MP-5 clone and it's fairly delicious in terms of accuracy and reliability but what about the AR platform? Is this as good as any?

Issues regarding the weapon that concern me the most are:
1. reliability of action
2. accuracy of weapon
3. durability of materials and quality of construction
4. compatibility and interchangeability of parts
5. common malfunctions

What are the pros and cons of Norinco CQ-A?

Anybody got any experience with Norinco products or even their ARs and would like to share their story? Please, come on in and feel welcome.
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>> No. 101781 ID: 93ac47
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Of course "Proudly Made in USA" is the only and the most bestest etc etc. On the other hand there is not much to expect from few hundred dulla AR.

But still if anyone has anymore piece of info to share feel welcome.
>> No. 101783 ID: 6057a8
I got one, but now it's more like an LR-300 so it isn't really relevant to the discussion so much.

My buddy has one. LR-300 conversion of mine aside, they're both the usual Chinese copy firearm deal; not the greatest fit and finish, unknown material, and often dubious material quality.

The good is that they're cheap, and they work. If they break, they're easy to fix like any other AR-15, and if they really get FUBAR'd at least you're not out an arm and a dick. They're good like that to get and beat around/modify because of the cheap factor, even if you bubba a modification somehow it's not like you ruined anything of value.

Accuracy is functional, the rougher kinda triggers make it hard to find out exactly how accurate they are or aren't, but the ARs seem to float around 2 to 3 arcmin with good ammo.
>> No. 101786 ID: 3a0755
Thanks for info man!
>> No. 101790 ID: c550c6
>>101780
>Shoddy Chinese garbage or something to be expected of a $700 AR?

I wonder how something low tier like PTAC stands up to the Chicom ARs?
>> No. 101809 ID: 5f423f
Having gotten to handle and fire a few Norinco 1911s and ARs, my attitude is that you get way more than what you pay for.
I've seen a few guys buy a Nork 1911 for 300 syrupdollars, spend another 500 on premium parts and fit and polish the thing into a really really nice pistol for far less than an equivalent would cost.

AR that lasted 12k rounds before it needed a new barrel is par for the course is it not? At 700 bucks its great value.
Their m14s are good as well


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101795 No. 101795 ID: 072837 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
where could i find prints or schematics for an encom em 9???? me and my friend are trying to restore an old one to working condition and it's missing the bolt and some springs. i have access to a machine shop to make the parts but i have no idea what i'd have to make. thank you for your time.
>> No. 101796 ID: 1e7323
According to this site, there's less than 5K made in .45 and 9mm: http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=279

I checked Numrich and couldn't find any parts under the different company names, so I find it unlikely you can dig up any blueprints or parts easily.

The good news is, the bolt/bolt face looks pretty straight forward.
https://youtu.be/ohkVBUCvFN0?t=1m21s

If you're not trying to re-create the exact part, for a blowback 9mm you have some creative license. I am not an engineer, and check for multiple corroborating sources, but Orion's Hammer has a table for some blowback bolt mass by caliber. http://www.orions-hammer.com/blowback/

Some history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lVhIoVlYus


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101585 No. 101585 ID: 983596 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Do such things exist? Is it possible to rig a flash hider on something like pic related?

I'm interested.

Or maybe something like a SW J Frame?
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>> No. 101627 ID: 63313b
>>101615
Or you could use internal-piston cartridges...but that renders the need for a flash hider moot anyways.
>> No. 101630 ID: 454a4b
>>101627

Sure, but that's hardly common. For optimal use you'd need to lengthen the cylinder considerably to leave place for the captive piston (though not "Taurus Judge" long). Smaller cartridges would significantly reduce the effectiveness.
>> No. 101634 ID: 33cb6b
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>>101627
That's some rare and highly specialized silent ammo.
The first noiseless cartridge developed by Stechkin was designated SP-1 (Spetsialnyj Patron 1 – Special Cartridge model 1). It was based on 9×18 case, loaded with special bi-caliber bullet and small piston, which was located between bullet base and powder charge. The bullet had front part of 7.62mm caliber, with base being of 9mm caliber, and it was intended to be fired through the squeeze-bored barrel with decreased caliber muzzle. That way, bullet base was squeezed to the 7.62mm and then free to exit the bore, while the piston was jammed in the bore, capturing powder gases inside the barrel. Of cause, this system was to be used only in manually loaded single-shot weapons, and one such weapon (declassified recently) was made to imitate a tin cigarette case, with three 9 / 7.62mm barrels and firing mechanism fitted inside.

The SP-1 cartridge never went past prototype stage, but within several years Stechkin designed his next internally silenced cartridge, known as SP-2. This one also contained a small powder charge behind the piston, but this time powder gases were to be captured inside the bottlenecked cartridge case, which looked somewhat similar to that of the 7.62×39 M43 round. Since the pusher piston was relatively short, and before discharge seated deep in the cartridge case, the bullet had to be made long, but relatively light. To achieve this, Stechkin used metal jacket taken from an unassembled 7.62mm pistol (7.62×25) bullet and fitted it with aluminum core that extended back from the jacket to rest on the piston.

This round apparently was produced in very limited numbers and used in some ‘Q-style’ weapons, such as the three-shot pistol disguised as a tin cigarette container. Also, it was probably used in the earliest model of the more convenient-looking two-barrel derringer-type pistol, which served as a predecessor to the MSP pistol described below. http://www.forgottenweapons.com/russian-silent-ammunition/
- Integrally silenced ammunition compared to standard Soviet ammunition, L to R: standard 9×18 PM, 7.62 SP-2, 7.62 SP-3 loaded, 7.62 SP-3 fired case (note extended two-stage piston and re-formed case neck), standard 7.62×39 M43, standard 7.62x54R, 7.62 PZAM (loaded round and fired case with extended single-piece piston). Image courtesy of Yuri Bushin.
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Soviet silenced pistols: 9×18 PB pistol (top), S4M (middle), and MSP (bottom)
>> No. 101782 ID: 2fbe6d
You could but the batfeholes argue that each of those cartridges would require a 200$ anti freedom tax as they are according to tech branch silencers in their own right.


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101770 No. 101770 ID: 6467ac hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Potential new ar owner, i have a friend who wants to sell me either an an aero or an anderson lower for 75$

Are there any considerations i should make?

Pls enjoy a picture of Strelka, resident rodent removal expert.
>> No. 101773 ID: 2ed649
>>101770
Aero makes nice lowers. That tensioning screw is a nice feature.
>> No. 101774 ID: 9db9eb
That's about $15 too much for an Anderson lower, IMO, but not bad for an Aero. I'd do it.


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101711 No. 101711 ID: 19518e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I may be able to buy a post-WW2 Winchester made 1897 Trench. Comes with sling, sword bayonet, and scabbard. Apparently it's pretty much original except for having been reblued.

Seller is asking bout 15 hunnerd an fiddy shipped, and I am really really split down the middle, picture related.
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>> No. 101756 ID: 0adaa6
>>101753
also ya i live my 97 trench gun i have no pics and its back in WI but ya heir awesome, though i built mine throwing this kit on it, http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-wwi-winchester-m-1897-trench-gun-ventilated-barrel-jacket-heat-shield-with-bayonet-mount.html its interesting having a gun that is over 100 years old and i chopped up and now use for everything.
>> No. 101762 ID: 6057a8
So if I can haggle a little, would it be not a terrible deal? Honestly I haven't many any trench guns floating around, especially these days, so I'm not familiar with price ranges on these things. If someone has a gun value book, it would be cool to get an idea from there.

Also I would love to hear some insights about it, like stuff you don't see on wikipedia. Takedown intricacies, quirks while using it and stuff, all would be nice to know before making a final decision.
>> No. 101764 ID: 6057a8
  >>101762
>lol self reply
Decent enough video. Takedown doesn't look too bad, it's not modern-tier monkey disassembly guns but it isn't as hairy as some of the guns I've taken apart.

I'd still like to hear some insider details and stuff people find out when shooting it versus the average google pamphlet info stubs.
>> No. 101768 ID: 4b3eed
>>101719
I lucked out on a Norinco 97T online for 300 about 6 years ago, and found a bayonet in a Daytona pawn shop for $90. I absolutely love it, it feels very durable but before I do any more shooting with it I want to send it to coyote cap for a once-over.

The 97 is a very unconventional shotgun. But god damn that slamfire is wicked.

as for OP, imo 1k usd is technically a good deal on a fullkit trenchgun, but personally I would get the cheapest regular 97 and put the heatshield on after the fact, cutting down the barrel as necessary(iirc the 97T is 20" bbl)

>>101714
i hate the model 10 is so devastating and the 97trench is so weak. looking forward to hardcore
>> No. 101769 ID: 6057a8
>>101768
>as for OP, imo 1k usd is technically a good deal on a fullkit trenchgun, but personally I would get the cheapest regular 97 and put the heatshield on after the fact, cutting down the barrel as necessary(iirc the 97T is 20" bbl)

I keep thinking about this. There are a few cheaper Winchester 1897s around and I can do a nice clean job cutting it and everything. The problem is getting the heat-shield shipped over, and finding a bayonet. By the time I've paid an arm and a dick for shipping, US conversion to maple monopoly yen, then taxes and stuff I'd probably not be that much cheaper off.


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101712 No. 101712 ID: a5507d hide watch quickreply [Reply]
>went back to gunstore
>ask the guy whats taking so long
>tells me that CZ makes everything and sends it over in bulk to a distributor
>tells me if I want a new gun I'll have to wait
>"You could always buy this shitty Remington 1911, Anon! Only half the price and a 1/10th of the quality! :^)! OR maybe you'd prefer this classy hi-point?"
I wish I was a glockfag so I wouldn't have to suffer
>> No. 101720 ID: fb893e
Since they're jerk in you around, cancel the order and buy from one from some place on here:

http://gunwatcher.com/Search-best-price/cz-85-for-sale
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101754
>tells me that CZ makes everything and sends it over in bulk to a distributor

That's a really weird thing to say to a customer. That's kind of how it works for everyone depending on where you sit on the inventory allocation chain. Some company might have dibs on fulfillment for a full production run due to a large purchase or something, but that doesn't matter... All you need to know is wherethey are...

I can't remember if CZ typically goes vendor direct or not, but I will try to take a peak at some of our distributors when I get back from my trip next week and see whats out there to see if you're being jerked around.
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>>101754
I'm pretty sure my order would be way, way, wayyy towards the bottom of the chain. I'd be surprised if the guy sells more than a single handgun a month. There really aren't all that many gunstores that sell them here, I think there might be 3 in the entire county with a license to sell handguns or want to go through the fucking hassle. So I guess it is entirely possible that CZ has bigger and more important fish to fry than me.

I might have ordered it at a really bad time, just before an election season. It might be backed up for months.


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101679 No. 101679 ID: cd5ece hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So it looks like SA is a little late to the party, offering an AR with a non-free floated handguard and fixed front sight. The rollmark looks fucking cool though. Good marketing too.

http://www.defendyourlegacy.com/
http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/saint/

No MSRP listed yet.

Caliber --- 5.56x45mm NATO (.223REM)
Length --- 35.5" Fully Extended / 32.25" Collapsed
Weight --- 6lbs 11oz
Upper Receiver --- Forward Assist and M4 Feed Ramps​
Lower Receiver --- 7075 T6 Aluminum, Accu-Tite™ Tension System​
Barrel --- 16" Chrome Moly Vanadium, 1:8 RH Twist, Melonite®
Gas System --- Mid-Length Gas System, .750 Diameter Gas Block
Trigger --- Springfield Armory® Proprietary, Nickel Boron Coated GI
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>>101697
Care to strip it for inspection, like staking, extractor insert, and other such little details?
>> No. 101702 ID: 88a6f1
Yawn. Nothing really huge enough to differentiate from the thousands of other ARs on the market.
>> No. 101706 ID: bd9939
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Please understand a scary large portion of firearm consumers can barely operate google if they can even turn a computer on. Even many of those that can, are simply terrified of popping two pins in. 90% of the people buying firearms think they are incapable of mounting a scope on their hunting rifle (many really are).

I churn out crappy Ruger AR556's, DPMS Oracles, M&P Sports and Bushmaster QRC's by the armload despite my best efforts because people do not give a fuck about specifications. They are poorly budgeted, always poorly informed by "Uncle Bill: former supply clerk and police officer superstar", and just want an "assault raffle" before they can't have one. They care if they've heard the name before, that's it. Same concept applies to a Tikka T3x vs a shitty Remington 700 ADL combo, ADL is going to win 9 times out of 10 because da 700 is a gud gun rite. You can spend an hour explaining technical aspects, practical application and "Good, better, best" as simply as humanly possible, think you've made progress on even something basic like a Colt 6920, and suddenly they're right back to RUGAH when you turn around.

Springfield has recreated the XD here. That slightly shittier gun in the same price range as better guns, but dat nostalgic lie of a name tho. It'll probably win a couple of awards.

I still think it could be a lot worse.
>> No. 101718 ID: f87148
>>101706

I really don't get people getting asspained over the Springfield thing. I mean, it's brilliant marketing, and if people are stupid enough to fall for it (spoiler alert...), exploiting them is only natural.

But yeah, I totally get the rest of your post. I've gotten to the point where unless it's a family member (and one I actually like, at that), I don't even bother telling people they've got something completely bass-ackwards wrong -- even if it's something which could easily get them killed.
>> No. 101722 ID: fb3bdd
>>101697
...See if the delta ring wobbles.


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101675 No. 101675 ID: 38cc19 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
It is in good condition and was about to go to my local gun store to trade it but I really don't know what I have.
It is in great shape and is just missing one of the scope mount rails on the barrel.

It has a SUPER TARGETSPOT scope with it that is a bit broken.
Thanks for any help and if I am in the wrong spot I apologize. I can provide more pictures if needed.
>> No. 101676 ID: 454a4b
It's in the right spot, don't worry.

I don't have any clue about what this could go for in the US though.
>> No. 101677 ID: 632b3e
Well, pricing on gunbroker seems to be $1,000 to $1,400 - so the gun store would likely offer you about half that.
>> No. 101693 ID: 38cc19
>>101677
Cool. That is about the average of what I have been told.

I'm gonna do a private sale instead of getting reamed at the gun store.

Thanks for the help!


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101639 No. 101639 ID: 7014c6 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
The gun-store essentially told me to pound sand when I called them and told me it'll take however long it takes. Why would someone who hates gun owners open up a gunstore? Why is NYS such suffering?
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>> No. 101661 ID: feb036
>>101660
CZ75
>> No. 101663 ID: 7014c6
>>101659
I'm left handed, that's pretty much why I ordered one instead of a CZ-75
>> No. 101672 ID: 58b5fb
>>101663
dude cancel the order due to unreasonable timetables and then order on Buds...
>NY
oh well fuck...you know you have 4 states East/NorthEast of your that aren't completely fucked on gun laws?
RI is better
NH&VT are WAY better
Maine is also WAY better but slightly less so than NH&VT in practice

If you can't move to a non-Peoples Republic consider throwing down threats (and following through) of reporting to BBB, a local chamber of comers, leave bad reviews on Gun Boards etc. Dude needs to explain in detail why it is taking so long.
>> No. 101673 ID: 58b5fb
>>101672
>comers
>commerce

holy fuck I fail
>> No. 101674 ID: 58bbbc
>>101672
I'll give him until friday, only because I heard that ordering a CZ-85 might take awhile. Then I'll probably just pick up a couple of boxes of 9mm with my order money and try to find another gunstore that sells handguns.


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101668 No. 101668 ID: 55e022 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
FN barrel after 80-100k rounds.
>> No. 101669 ID: 454a4b
Tiny bit of erosion there.

I guess when you're renting them out to people to magdump at 15 yards, you don't really care your rifling is gone.
>> No. 101671 ID: cd5ece
>>101668
I've always wondered how much gas port erosion actually happened. So in 4-5 barrel lifes it might be an issue.


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