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101800 No. 101800 ID: af86ff hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I bought a thing
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>> No. 101815 ID: af86ff
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Converting the beretta mags for CZs? I just milled out the mag catch until it caught. It ended up pretty huge, if I was going to do it again I would just cut a new slot in the right spot. I was never able to get them to lock back reliably.
>> No. 101836 ID: a90ce2
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Pistol caliber carbines are fun!
My old Marlin Camp 45 loads Colt M1911 mags and is fun to shoot. Kind of a hassle to clean, though.
>> No. 101875 ID: 7d1c98

Damn, I love those Marlin Camp guns, really wish someone was making a classy wood and steel .45 carbine these days.

OP's Storm is nice, that is a super reliable and fun to shoot carbine, but most of the options on the market, like the Hi-Point and Kel-Tec carbines, are pretty craptastic.

CZ's Scorpion Evo 3 is extremely awesome, but pretty expensive. I'd love to see Ruger or Marlin bring a modern version of a wood furniture camp/ranch pistol carbine to the market in 9mm and/or .45ACP, I'd be all over something like that.
>> No. 101941 ID: 721241
Own one, love it, converted my shooting friends into buying and loving them. "More" are on my buy list. I'd love a spare plus a third to live in my trunk.
>> No. 101942 ID: d094dd
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>a poor mans MP7
Could've gotten Masterpiece Arms' 5.7 carbine, or pistol if you're considering SBR.

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101816 No. 101816 ID: f11f4d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So I'm putting together my first AR-15. Already have an upper I like, but I need a sanity check on some of the other bits.
Lower: As best as I can tell, billet or forged, it don't matter. Just pick something I like the look of and call it a day.
Lower parts kits: Also doesn't matter, right?

Triggers: Now here's my real question, what do you guys look for in a trigger? I'm just going to be shooting paper and ground squirrels.
Everywhere I look it's "Geissele, Geissele, Geissele". It's a bit goofy to me that the damn things are 2-4 times the cost of the lower they are supposed to go in. Do they really deserve the hype, or is there something that I won't tell the difference from that's a quarter of the price? I can certainly understand why people get excited about nice triggers, I've shot a bit with an AR-15 where the best thing to say about the trigger was that it was functional. Money isn't really the concern beyond the fact I'd prefer to burn it on ammo than a name, and I'd also rather get something that I'm not going to want to replace.
What do ya'll run?
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>> No. 101877 ID: 9dcda2
Having seen a lot of 80% builds / paperweights, it can be pretty hard.

As long as you go with a reputable company you're good to go. Pick a roll mark you like.
>> No. 101878 ID: caf239
I picked mine on price, went with an Anderson. Ended up getting a nice roll mark incidentally. It's made in Kentucky and has a horsey on it, it's all I could ever want.
>> No. 101880 ID: bd9939
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I actually will never again skimp on a random lower unless I can pre-test upper fit. You don't have to spend more than $75, but through experience, a lower really is not a lower.

So my SI Defense lower was kind of eh to start with years ago. I was a dummy that was originally going to spend an extra $100 just because I thought the Noveske roll mark was cool still is, but ended up getting the SI after happening on them in a pawn shop and seeing they were made in Montana. The white oak armament upper receiver (adco assembly with DD barrel) is a standard slightly wobbly fit (total mutt rifle), but the holes were totally out of spec. I had to sand the shit out of my safety button to get it to fit and errything else took a little extra pounding to get in place. Once assembled everything is fine, just wouldn't buy another one.

Fast forward a few years and I'm building a rifle for waifu and father. I had a couple what should have been $50 wonder lowers from Delaware Machinery that my dad had bought for me in 2012 as a Christmas present from a local bubba shop and just gave him one. I wanted waifu to have a really wobble free, relatively premium everything rifle so I splurged on a whopping $70 Aero Precision because they have a nice clean roll mark and more importantly that extra set screw to tighten things up.

Both of the rifles are solid with nice ALG handguards and high end BCG's and components otherwise, but the upper to lower fit on that delaware machinery is fucking atrocious. I actually have to break it over my knee to get it to open. I have to kneel on it to get it to squeeze down enough to push in the rear pin. I break it in a little more each time I'm over there, but fuck that lower is ass. The hole for the mag release button was visibly crooked too. I tested it with multiple uppers and it is just cheap shit. It works fine for now functionally, and my dad loves the rifle regardless, but I think we'll eventually move everything over to another Aero Precision. Of all the builds I've helped with, Aero precision has always been tight, but still easy to pop pins. Have never actually used the tightening set screw.

The Anderson's look...like a lower, but I've never tried building off of one. Can't really say one way or another on those and am not really that anxious to try after those dumb delaware machinery things. Billet is usually a huge waste of money and only adds bulk and gayness.

TL:DR; Get an Aero for an extra $20 and save yourself a headache.
>> No. 101911 ID: 61ded9
SI Defense had a terrible reputation for first 556 lowers they put out for Arfcom group buy and went straight downhill. Consensus is they make good product now and excellent 308 stuff.

A lower is a lower if made from one of the big machine shops that supply most of everyones lowers. There are still maybe out of spec lowers towards the end of runs that might make it through. Small shop lowers just getting into lowers and i'd say chance go up. I sent a new brands cheap lowers I bought of aimsurplus back a few times because I was sent out of spec lowers. Anderson is a known quantity, reputable basic lower.
>> No. 101915 ID: 3a0e10
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SI Defense is now FALKOR Defense

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101784 No. 101784 ID: a5507d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
The two big ones that I parsed through are
>Trump would do away with pointless and ineffective gun and magazine bans and suggested fixing the current background check system already in place, rather than expanding a broken system.
>Furthermore, Trump proposed a national right to carry, a national concealed carry reciprocity law that would compel states to recognize the concealed carry permits of any other state, exactly as drivers licenses from anywhere are accepted by all states today.
Considering that a few people live in states like NY or CA like me, this is pretty good news
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>> No. 101827 ID: 0876ee
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Will the ATF continue to interpret a suppressor to mean "any part of a suppressor?"

I actually do not know if HPA removes constructive intent

I'd love to see SBR/SBS lengths reduced by even 2-4 inches as a bolt-on to the HPA.
>> No. 101855 ID: c550c6
>I'd love to see SBR/SBS lengths reduced by even 2-4 inches as a bolt-on to the HPA

Or just eliminate the restrictions completely because there ridiculous and theoretically unenforceable.
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>> No. 101874 ID: 7d1c98
The question is will there be resistance from manufacturers who fear competition from innovative smaller companies?

Imagine if suppressors, for example, just became full blown legal with no tax stamps or background checks,you can buy them just like buying some spare mags, the big names in suppressors will probably be in deep shit financially because their business models and products are based entirely around making big profits with the current legal situation.

If, all of a sudden, anyone can buy suppressors and damn near anyone can manufacture them, you'll see high quality suppressors flooding the market from small companies with low overhead and small teams of employees. The big names in the business do not want that and they likely DGAF your actual rights or shooting enjoyment, they want to make money.

This is why gun companies and the NRA supported the 1968 GCA to fight surplus machine guns being easy to acquire and affordable. Manufacturers will support anti-2A legislation and gun control when they stand to make more money from it.
>> No. 101892 ID: b70387
Without having to go through the whole NFA process, a lot more people are liable to buy a suppressor or two. In that situation, manufacturers can stand to lower their per-unit margin and still make more profit overall.

The $200 tax stamp favors more expensive, higher-quality suppressors, because it's easier to justify paying such a ridiculous tax when it makes up a less significant proportion of the overall cost. Without that tax, the market is likely to become flooded with lower-quality, cheaper suppressors. Current suppressor manufacturers may develop cheaper suppressors to compete in this portion of the market, but even if they don't, it's unlikely to hurt them all that much. The Olympic Armses and Bushmasters of the world don't put BCM and Noveske out of business, because some people value quality.

I doubt that new companies that could realistically develop high-quality designs have been kept out of the market by the NFA process. SilencerCo was founded in 2008, for instance.

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101775 No. 101775 ID: 63b659 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Dear Operators,

I might have chance to acquire Norinco's CQ-A but after reading of internet forums I would like to ask here for a word of advice - are the Norinco products any good? Friend of mine has MP-5 clone and it's fairly delicious in terms of accuracy and reliability but what about the AR platform? Is this as good as any?

Issues regarding the weapon that concern me the most are:
1. reliability of action
2. accuracy of weapon
3. durability of materials and quality of construction
4. compatibility and interchangeability of parts
5. common malfunctions

What are the pros and cons of Norinco CQ-A?

Anybody got any experience with Norinco products or even their ARs and would like to share their story? Please, come on in and feel welcome.
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Of course "Proudly Made in USA" is the only and the most bestest etc etc. On the other hand there is not much to expect from few hundred dulla AR.

But still if anyone has anymore piece of info to share feel welcome.
>> No. 101783 ID: 6057a8
I got one, but now it's more like an LR-300 so it isn't really relevant to the discussion so much.

My buddy has one. LR-300 conversion of mine aside, they're both the usual Chinese copy firearm deal; not the greatest fit and finish, unknown material, and often dubious material quality.

The good is that they're cheap, and they work. If they break, they're easy to fix like any other AR-15, and if they really get FUBAR'd at least you're not out an arm and a dick. They're good like that to get and beat around/modify because of the cheap factor, even if you bubba a modification somehow it's not like you ruined anything of value.

Accuracy is functional, the rougher kinda triggers make it hard to find out exactly how accurate they are or aren't, but the ARs seem to float around 2 to 3 arcmin with good ammo.
>> No. 101786 ID: 3a0755
Thanks for info man!
>> No. 101790 ID: c550c6
>Shoddy Chinese garbage or something to be expected of a $700 AR?

I wonder how something low tier like PTAC stands up to the Chicom ARs?
>> No. 101809 ID: 5f423f
Having gotten to handle and fire a few Norinco 1911s and ARs, my attitude is that you get way more than what you pay for.
I've seen a few guys buy a Nork 1911 for 300 syrupdollars, spend another 500 on premium parts and fit and polish the thing into a really really nice pistol for far less than an equivalent would cost.

AR that lasted 12k rounds before it needed a new barrel is par for the course is it not? At 700 bucks its great value.
Their m14s are good as well

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101795 No. 101795 ID: 072837 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
where could i find prints or schematics for an encom em 9???? me and my friend are trying to restore an old one to working condition and it's missing the bolt and some springs. i have access to a machine shop to make the parts but i have no idea what i'd have to make. thank you for your time.
>> No. 101796 ID: 1e7323
According to this site, there's less than 5K made in .45 and 9mm: http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=279

I checked Numrich and couldn't find any parts under the different company names, so I find it unlikely you can dig up any blueprints or parts easily.

The good news is, the bolt/bolt face looks pretty straight forward.

If you're not trying to re-create the exact part, for a blowback 9mm you have some creative license. I am not an engineer, and check for multiple corroborating sources, but Orion's Hammer has a table for some blowback bolt mass by caliber. http://www.orions-hammer.com/blowback/

Some history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lVhIoVlYus

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101585 No. 101585 ID: 983596 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Do such things exist? Is it possible to rig a flash hider on something like pic related?

I'm interested.

Or maybe something like a SW J Frame?
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>> No. 101627 ID: 63313b
Or you could use internal-piston cartridges...but that renders the need for a flash hider moot anyways.
>> No. 101630 ID: 454a4b

Sure, but that's hardly common. For optimal use you'd need to lengthen the cylinder considerably to leave place for the captive piston (though not "Taurus Judge" long). Smaller cartridges would significantly reduce the effectiveness.
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That's some rare and highly specialized silent ammo.
The first noiseless cartridge developed by Stechkin was designated SP-1 (Spetsialnyj Patron 1 – Special Cartridge model 1). It was based on 9×18 case, loaded with special bi-caliber bullet and small piston, which was located between bullet base and powder charge. The bullet had front part of 7.62mm caliber, with base being of 9mm caliber, and it was intended to be fired through the squeeze-bored barrel with decreased caliber muzzle. That way, bullet base was squeezed to the 7.62mm and then free to exit the bore, while the piston was jammed in the bore, capturing powder gases inside the barrel. Of cause, this system was to be used only in manually loaded single-shot weapons, and one such weapon (declassified recently) was made to imitate a tin cigarette case, with three 9 / 7.62mm barrels and firing mechanism fitted inside.

The SP-1 cartridge never went past prototype stage, but within several years Stechkin designed his next internally silenced cartridge, known as SP-2. This one also contained a small powder charge behind the piston, but this time powder gases were to be captured inside the bottlenecked cartridge case, which looked somewhat similar to that of the 7.62×39 M43 round. Since the pusher piston was relatively short, and before discharge seated deep in the cartridge case, the bullet had to be made long, but relatively light. To achieve this, Stechkin used metal jacket taken from an unassembled 7.62mm pistol (7.62×25) bullet and fitted it with aluminum core that extended back from the jacket to rest on the piston.

This round apparently was produced in very limited numbers and used in some ‘Q-style’ weapons, such as the three-shot pistol disguised as a tin cigarette container. Also, it was probably used in the earliest model of the more convenient-looking two-barrel derringer-type pistol, which served as a predecessor to the MSP pistol described below. http://www.forgottenweapons.com/russian-silent-ammunition/
- Integrally silenced ammunition compared to standard Soviet ammunition, L to R: standard 9×18 PM, 7.62 SP-2, 7.62 SP-3 loaded, 7.62 SP-3 fired case (note extended two-stage piston and re-formed case neck), standard 7.62×39 M43, standard 7.62x54R, 7.62 PZAM (loaded round and fired case with extended single-piece piston). Image courtesy of Yuri Bushin.
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Soviet silenced pistols: 9×18 PB pistol (top), S4M (middle), and MSP (bottom)
>> No. 101782 ID: 2fbe6d
You could but the batfeholes argue that each of those cartridges would require a 200$ anti freedom tax as they are according to tech branch silencers in their own right.

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101770 No. 101770 ID: 6467ac hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Potential new ar owner, i have a friend who wants to sell me either an an aero or an anderson lower for 75$

Are there any considerations i should make?

Pls enjoy a picture of Strelka, resident rodent removal expert.
>> No. 101773 ID: 2ed649
Aero makes nice lowers. That tensioning screw is a nice feature.
>> No. 101774 ID: 9db9eb
That's about $15 too much for an Anderson lower, IMO, but not bad for an Aero. I'd do it.

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101711 No. 101711 ID: 19518e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I may be able to buy a post-WW2 Winchester made 1897 Trench. Comes with sling, sword bayonet, and scabbard. Apparently it's pretty much original except for having been reblued.

Seller is asking bout 15 hunnerd an fiddy shipped, and I am really really split down the middle, picture related.
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>> No. 101756 ID: 0adaa6
also ya i live my 97 trench gun i have no pics and its back in WI but ya heir awesome, though i built mine throwing this kit on it, http://www.ima-usa.com/u-s-wwi-winchester-m-1897-trench-gun-ventilated-barrel-jacket-heat-shield-with-bayonet-mount.html its interesting having a gun that is over 100 years old and i chopped up and now use for everything.
>> No. 101762 ID: 6057a8
So if I can haggle a little, would it be not a terrible deal? Honestly I haven't many any trench guns floating around, especially these days, so I'm not familiar with price ranges on these things. If someone has a gun value book, it would be cool to get an idea from there.

Also I would love to hear some insights about it, like stuff you don't see on wikipedia. Takedown intricacies, quirks while using it and stuff, all would be nice to know before making a final decision.
>> No. 101764 ID: 6057a8
>lol self reply
Decent enough video. Takedown doesn't look too bad, it's not modern-tier monkey disassembly guns but it isn't as hairy as some of the guns I've taken apart.

I'd still like to hear some insider details and stuff people find out when shooting it versus the average google pamphlet info stubs.
>> No. 101768 ID: 4b3eed
I lucked out on a Norinco 97T online for 300 about 6 years ago, and found a bayonet in a Daytona pawn shop for $90. I absolutely love it, it feels very durable but before I do any more shooting with it I want to send it to coyote cap for a once-over.

The 97 is a very unconventional shotgun. But god damn that slamfire is wicked.

as for OP, imo 1k usd is technically a good deal on a fullkit trenchgun, but personally I would get the cheapest regular 97 and put the heatshield on after the fact, cutting down the barrel as necessary(iirc the 97T is 20" bbl)

i hate the model 10 is so devastating and the 97trench is so weak. looking forward to hardcore
>> No. 101769 ID: 6057a8
>as for OP, imo 1k usd is technically a good deal on a fullkit trenchgun, but personally I would get the cheapest regular 97 and put the heatshield on after the fact, cutting down the barrel as necessary(iirc the 97T is 20" bbl)

I keep thinking about this. There are a few cheaper Winchester 1897s around and I can do a nice clean job cutting it and everything. The problem is getting the heat-shield shipped over, and finding a bayonet. By the time I've paid an arm and a dick for shipping, US conversion to maple monopoly yen, then taxes and stuff I'd probably not be that much cheaper off.

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101712 No. 101712 ID: a5507d hide watch quickreply [Reply]
>went back to gunstore
>ask the guy whats taking so long
>tells me that CZ makes everything and sends it over in bulk to a distributor
>tells me if I want a new gun I'll have to wait
>"You could always buy this shitty Remington 1911, Anon! Only half the price and a 1/10th of the quality! :^)! OR maybe you'd prefer this classy hi-point?"
I wish I was a glockfag so I wouldn't have to suffer
>> No. 101720 ID: fb893e
Since they're jerk in you around, cancel the order and buy from one from some place on here:

>> No. 101754 ID: bd9939
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>tells me that CZ makes everything and sends it over in bulk to a distributor

That's a really weird thing to say to a customer. That's kind of how it works for everyone depending on where you sit on the inventory allocation chain. Some company might have dibs on fulfillment for a full production run due to a large purchase or something, but that doesn't matter... All you need to know is wherethey are...

I can't remember if CZ typically goes vendor direct or not, but I will try to take a peak at some of our distributors when I get back from my trip next week and see whats out there to see if you're being jerked around.
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I'm pretty sure my order would be way, way, wayyy towards the bottom of the chain. I'd be surprised if the guy sells more than a single handgun a month. There really aren't all that many gunstores that sell them here, I think there might be 3 in the entire county with a license to sell handguns or want to go through the fucking hassle. So I guess it is entirely possible that CZ has bigger and more important fish to fry than me.

I might have ordered it at a really bad time, just before an election season. It might be backed up for months.

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101679 No. 101679 ID: cd5ece hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So it looks like SA is a little late to the party, offering an AR with a non-free floated handguard and fixed front sight. The rollmark looks fucking cool though. Good marketing too.


No MSRP listed yet.

Caliber --- 5.56x45mm NATO (.223REM)
Length --- 35.5" Fully Extended / 32.25" Collapsed
Weight --- 6lbs 11oz
Upper Receiver --- Forward Assist and M4 Feed Ramps​
Lower Receiver --- 7075 T6 Aluminum, Accu-Tite™ Tension System​
Barrel --- 16" Chrome Moly Vanadium, 1:8 RH Twist, Melonite®
Gas System --- Mid-Length Gas System, .750 Diameter Gas Block
Trigger --- Springfield Armory® Proprietary, Nickel Boron Coated GI
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Care to strip it for inspection, like staking, extractor insert, and other such little details?
>> No. 101702 ID: 88a6f1
Yawn. Nothing really huge enough to differentiate from the thousands of other ARs on the market.
>> No. 101706 ID: bd9939
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Please understand a scary large portion of firearm consumers can barely operate google if they can even turn a computer on. Even many of those that can, are simply terrified of popping two pins in. 90% of the people buying firearms think they are incapable of mounting a scope on their hunting rifle (many really are).

I churn out crappy Ruger AR556's, DPMS Oracles, M&P Sports and Bushmaster QRC's by the armload despite my best efforts because people do not give a fuck about specifications. They are poorly budgeted, always poorly informed by "Uncle Bill: former supply clerk and police officer superstar", and just want an "assault raffle" before they can't have one. They care if they've heard the name before, that's it. Same concept applies to a Tikka T3x vs a shitty Remington 700 ADL combo, ADL is going to win 9 times out of 10 because da 700 is a gud gun rite. You can spend an hour explaining technical aspects, practical application and "Good, better, best" as simply as humanly possible, think you've made progress on even something basic like a Colt 6920, and suddenly they're right back to RUGAH when you turn around.

Springfield has recreated the XD here. That slightly shittier gun in the same price range as better guns, but dat nostalgic lie of a name tho. It'll probably win a couple of awards.

I still think it could be a lot worse.
>> No. 101718 ID: f87148

I really don't get people getting asspained over the Springfield thing. I mean, it's brilliant marketing, and if people are stupid enough to fall for it (spoiler alert...), exploiting them is only natural.

But yeah, I totally get the rest of your post. I've gotten to the point where unless it's a family member (and one I actually like, at that), I don't even bother telling people they've got something completely bass-ackwards wrong -- even if it's something which could easily get them killed.
>> No. 101722 ID: fb3bdd
...See if the delta ring wobbles.

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