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107363 No. 107363 ID: 166f10 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
So, the CMP has released their procedures and pricing for the M1911’s and M1911A1’s that we’re released to them by the Secretary of the Army. For those that have not seen the page or want more in depth descriptions of pistol grades, see <a href="http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/">here.</a>

$1050 for Service Grade, $950 for Field, $850 for Rack. Notable pistols will be auctioned.

They explain ad nauseum the procedure to obtain one, but there is little on the guns themselves. No provisions seem to have been made regarding choosing whether you want the original or A1, or choosing a manufacturer. Which leads me to believe that it’s luck of the draw, and every gun is going to be a mediocre quality mixmaster. Therefore, for a pistol that is more collectible based upon its origin of parts, production dates, and stamps/rollmarks (as opposed to condition of grips and finish), why is CMP selling them based upon the cosmetic condition? Are you going to buy one?
>> No. 107364 ID: 166f10
Fixed link: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
>> No. 107365 ID: c27283
I would expect the overwhelming majority of them to be A1 pattern, just due to how old the non-A1 models are (and thus a lot of them have been lost due to falling apart over time and use) and just how many more A1s were made.

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107170 No. 107170 ID: 360798 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
A group of Republican state legislators in South Carolina introduced a measure Thursday that would allow the state to secede from the United States if the federal government began to seize legally purchased firearms in the state.

The bill, which was referred to the state House Judiciary Committee on Thursday, would allow South Carolina lawmakers to debate whether to secede from the United States if the federal government were to violate the Second Amendment.

It states that "the general assembly shall convene to consider whether to secede from the United States based upon the federal government's unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution if the federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this state."

The measure, introduced by GOP Reps. Mike Pitts, Jonathon Hill and Ashley Trantham, comes amid an intense debate over the nation's gun laws that was reignited in February after a deadly mass shooting in Parkland, Fla.
Since then, anti-gun violence advocates have stepped up demands for new gun control laws, calling for prohibitions on assault-style weapons and stronger background checks for gun buyers, among other measures.

The South Carolina bill is unlikely to make it through this session. It faces an April 10 deadline to go to the state Senate for consideration.

South Carolina became the first state to secede from the Union in the lead up to the Civil War, withdrawing in 1860.

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>> No. 107231 ID: c09e36
You mean exactly like the first Civil War?
>> No. 107233 ID: 3e211a
Yeah that's why after the first one American servicemen now swear an oath to protect the Union from enemies foreign and domestic.
>> No. 107265 ID: d0cfe2
Fuck Sherman.
>> No. 107336 ID: df12a0
Didn't stop 'em from serving the Obama Administration.
>> No. 107337 ID: 454da4
>the democratically elected government is the same as a bunch of traitors

perfect logic from our resident soyboy cuck who thinks battleships are still useful. :)

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107189 No. 107189 ID: 738b31 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Damn /k/ i've had my head under a rock for the past year cause other things needed to happen besides guns, but now that I'm looking around seems like everything is crazy expensive.
There used to be a cheap option for shooting, but now even a 10/22 almost cost $300
Is there a cheap option for shooting nowadays? Is there a current Nagant or similar on the market? Barring dirt cheap options, is it still economic to start with an 80% and build up?
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>> No. 107316 ID: 6ca38e
Obviously much of the above information is outdated, and neither Keymod and Mlok were not on the market as of yet, among other things. Still there's a lot of decent info there to look over.

Also, fuck Troy Industries with a rusty rake.
>> No. 107400 ID: 5ec9bd
Thanks for the dump man.

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107270 No. 107270 ID: ad2a44 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Can anyone authenticate this? I’ve heard of people making fakes.

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>> No. 107275 ID: ad2a44

He wants to trade for my Glock 19. I read a forum about guys shaving off RIA markings and stamping on Rand US Gov’t ones.
Any idea what a refinished shooter grade would go for? Gunbroker is all over the place.
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Better shot of the 18c
>> No. 107277 ID: e35b40

What's the story on the 18C? I assume it's the store's dealer sample? Putting the trijicon with a price tag next to it is such a tease.
>> No. 107278 ID: 16093f

Dealer was showing it off at a gun show in Arkansas. He has a wall of select fire SMGs.
>> No. 107279 ID: bd9939
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Postwar arsenal reparked/refinished pistols are the norm in my experience. That one is pretty obvious with the faded stamps. Very rarely do you see a true bring back with original worn finish. The last one I saw was a "dad died and I'm not really a gun person" scenario.

While in my opinion it being a refinished gun with a fairly prominent idiot scratch diminishes the value well below 90%, blue book is just a general guideline and I think $1,500 for a US property marked gun is most definitely not outside the norm, but certainly not a steal.

I'm assuming he wants cash as well, because I would trade my 19 for that in an instant. (despite being a total glockfag that has zero interest in 1911's other than historically significant examples).

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106367 No. 106367 ID: 19518e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So China makes a stamped sheet metal semi-auto with a short stroke piston and a rotating bolt. It's not an AK variant but it could be considered a "close enough" distant relative twice removed to an AK variant.

A bit like how a trap is "close enough" to a girl. F-for some people.

Introductions aside, let's see how it shoots.
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>> No. 106445 ID: 19518e
Getting anything to catch fire would be quite a feat considering the neutered magazine capacity limit. My buddy and I made a good team and managed to fire as continuous as could be expected, but it simply got uncomfortably hot, not quite bursting into flames hot. Basically everything in front of the magazine was pretty much near-water-boiling super hot cup of coffee hot or hotter (exposed metal).

Looking under there, the wood isn't burned but some stray wood fibers and small shellac globules getting singed/cooking probably caused most of the smoke along with whatever bit of oil might've been hanging around under there.
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Short bit of video I got from my buddy's side of things.
>> No. 107224 ID: d408af
man, if I was a leaf I would so buy one. Glad you guys up north have enjoyable guns still being imported!
>> No. 107236 ID: d8d89a
Am i retarded for thinking the type 81 is just a evolution of the SKS platform?
>> No. 107264 ID: c3b8cf
You are retarded for a great many reasons, but in this case you are correct. The Type 81 has similarities to the SKS, such as a short stroke piston.

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107240 No. 107240 ID: e3303e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Whats the best chain mail available on the market today? Whats the best bang for the buck mail wise? I found this https://www.by-the-sword.com//p-597-butted-steel-chainmail-shirt.aspx for less than $200. Maybe Opchan can do a chain mail group buy?
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>> No. 107259 ID: 0e1e77
  NASA Creates New Chainmail Tire https://youtu.be/YTy-qkXnT-c
>> No. 107260 ID: 0e1e77
  NASA designed space fabric to make space suits more flexible https://youtu.be/gPFXciGoarI
>> No. 107261 ID: 0e1e77
  For repetitive bullshit tasks like assembling and welding chainmail, you're better off having a machine do it. Or a whole village of peasants in India making riveted chainmail for rich weirdos in America and Europe (yeah, I hear that's a thing and it has brought the cost of buying riveted chainmail way down recently).

The Ring Lord - Chainmail machine https://youtu.be/4YBIa-9-lus
http://theringlord.com - The Ring Lord's fully automated welded chainmail machine. Wire goes in, welded chainmail come out.
>> No. 107262 ID: 0e1e77
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Another good modern application of chainmail is in steel mesh wristwatch straps. Some armorers make a little extra money on the side crafting chainmail watch straps.
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The guy wearing this Roman-style chainmail shirt is R. Lee Ermey, from the Mail Call show.

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107098 No. 107098 ID: f0fb5d hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Is there a legal reason Mossberg and Remington haven't made Shockwave-esque "firearms" based on their semi-automatic platforms? Is overall length the issue? Are they not willing to commit manufacturing capacity to a loophole type gun? Are semi-automatics so low-margin that they won't commit dedicated manufacturing capacity for a new line? What gives?
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A lot of semi-autos house the main action spring in the stock. As far as I know, both Mossberg and Remington use this setup for their current production semi-auto shotguns. They would have to put the main action spring around the magazine tube or somewhere else that would allow for a "stockless" design.

It seems to me that the prototyping and redesign over what can be arguably called a "gimmick" or "loophole gun" would make the semi-auto "shockwave" guns somewhat unmarketable.

The Turkish 1919 shotgun pictured here could be a good candidate for this kind of thing. The stock/fake buffer tube can be removed completely without any change in the mechanical function of the firearm, making it a giant shotgun pistol grip only thing. Sadly it's not a very good shotgun to begin with so it would again just be a range toy. Nothing wrong with that though, even if the 1919 isn't really a shotgun that could be trusted with any serious purpose, it doesn't fail to make me smile.

>the shit below is an attempt to explain the limited marketability of "shockwave" setups in my anecdotal opinions
>its mostly conflicted rambling and can be ignored
Although I tend to think stockless shotguns are more of a range silly thing than a good choice for defensive purposes because they are indeed harder to shoot accurately as quickly as a stocked shotgun, I do see their value in a few ways. I would personally take a normal 18.5" PGO setup for a few reasons however.

First is that I hate bird's head grips. I think they are terrible at everything, and a thousand times out of a thousand, I would choose a pistol grip like the one seen on this picture related 1919. This is very personal so this point obviously doesn't apply to many people. I would actually be okay with a pistol grip that has a few inches of "stock" after it (as if you cut off the last half of an AR-15's buffer tube) to comply with the length requirements for the shockwave-style stuff while still having a grip that doesn't make me hate life.

Second, a shorter barrel may look cool and provide a bit more of a compact setup, but if you're going to be using this defensively, you have to consider the noise and blast that accompanies a shorter barrel. I would be willing to trade a few inches of compactness if it means my eardrums do not cave in. Obviously, hearing damage will definitely still occur, but just a few decibels (a logarithmic scale) can make a lot of difference in how fucked you may be after the first shell fired.

Finally, unless all these things start costing less than a regular shotgun + tax stamp, they will always be pretty niche items.
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>> No. 107168 ID: 738b31
what model is in OP's pick? the wood furniture one is dead sexy.
>> No. 107182 ID: 22ba7a
Pretty sure it's a Remington 1100.
>> No. 107209 ID: 6ef9f1
okay, but consider:
Shockwave style auto 5
>> No. 107237 ID: d8d89a
So a whippet gun?

Just find someone making auto 5 clones

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103213 No. 103213 ID: 813f6b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
I'm filled with the need to fill a void in my collection (and life): I want a high quality shotgun.

This quest started with trying to find (or make) a suitable classic looking Ithaca 37 (either already SBS, or make it into one). That didn't go anywhere. Ithaca doesn't export to euroland, and I'm having trouble finding a suitable donor gun to SBS (or even to find someone willing to SBS the gun for me since due to regulations it has to be reproofed etc, meaning paperwork & wasted time going to the test bench/proof house which would cost more than the actual cutting & refinishing).

Other alternatives were visited:
Browning has an Ithaca sibling, so that was the first stop. Various features and components were not really to my liking though, missing that special M37 look.
Mossbergs have a handy lefty friendly safety, so I looked at those next. Turns out their finish is really shitty.
Remingtons, well, let's not even go there. I've seen too many Remington things fail in the past 10 years that I'm not willing to touch them anymore.
Winchester was next. SXP is a basic no nonsense shotty made in Turkey, but turns out it's actually has more than it's share of problems if jewtoob is to be believed. Including at least two instances of slamfiring with the safety on. So that's out.

With time, interests shifted and eventually brought me to the Benelli M3 Tactical (~20", ghost ring sights, classic stock) & Benelli M3 Entry (~14", ghost ring sights, usually telescopic stock). Because why the fuck not? It's both a pump and a semi, filling two needs at once.
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>I'd like to stay with inertia driven for the purposes of simplicity.

It's my understanding that this generates more perceived recoil though.
And it's not like the alternatives are especially complex.

>Primary use of the gun would be for Skeet/Trap, as well as Home Defense and potentially 3 gun further down the road.

My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.
>> No. 105853 ID: 85f7d3

>My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.

Yeah, basically I'm presuming that if I move on to 3-gun I'll get something else for trap and skeet like a Super Vinci or something. I know that the M2 and the M3000 can both become 3 gun shotguns through basic mods, but they can operate as trap/skeet guns immediately. Doe that make sense? It's why I'm not looking at a Vinci now; it can be a trap/skeet gun but it really doesn't have the aftermarket to support it as a 3 gun shotgun.

I also forgot to mention, but having the ability to get a Slug barrel would be nice as well. Here in Ohio most firearm deer hunting seems do be done with shotguns and the option would be good. Though it's a secondary concern, I could probably pick up a used 870 Police Magnum and get a slug barrel for not all that much.
>> No. 105864 ID: 241b9d

Plenty of slugs work fine without rifling though. So depending on what you aim for, a dedicated slug barrel may not be required.
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you do do you, man. I've slowly arrived here over the years.
Guns are expensive to replace, buy the ones that last.
>> No. 107232 ID: 0e1e77
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Rifled lead slugs can be fired through regular smoothbore shotgun barrels, even ones with chokes, although improved cylinder works best. The rifling on these lead slugs imparts very little spin, but it allows these slugs to be swedged through any size normal choke. A rifled shotgun barrel allows you to shoot the more accurate sabot or copper-jacketed slugs.

Years ago, I bought a $200 Remington 850 pump and added a $90 Mossberg rifled shotgun barrel. Really unnecessary as I use cheap Brenneke slugs, but the barrel came with a length of rails that extends over the top of the lock that can fit sights to it. I put a cheap reflex sight on it and it works great at the 100 yard range that slugs are effective in. Other hunters love red dot scopes on their slug barrels.

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102788 No. 102788 ID: 85f7d3 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Evening guys,

I have a Mossberg 9200 12 gauge that I took trap shooting, and somewhere around the 50 round mark the bolt locked back and won't budge. A similar malfunction occurred earlier in the day, but was cleared with a simple butt-stroke and the gun functioned without error for the next 40 rounds or so. I'm not sure if this is a issue with the bolt or the action bar, but neither piece will move. Any guidance on troubleshooting this would be greatly appreciated.

(also if this is in the wrong place feel free to move it)
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>> No. 103141 ID: 19518e
Ahhh right, that's probably handy for switching to a slug but malfunction clearing then needs an extra step.

I see, I see.
>> No. 107169 ID: a443cb
Your action bar spring clip is missing.It connects the inertia weight to the action bar. Inertia weight is the thing with the gas rings on it. there is a band type clip that holds them together. See pic # 102794. The action bar is way to high on the inertia weight. Notice the groove on the weight, there is supposed to be a band clip there.The action bar should be about as high up as the arrow on the instruction sticker on the weight.Maybe the action bar has slipped out of its' groove on the inertia weight. barrel side.
>> No. 107175 ID: c27283
The Googlers are at it again!
>> No. 107177 ID: 4be1c0
Hey, not a bad thing. Maybe they'll have a look around and stay.

Welcome to operatorchan.
>> No. 107216 ID: 85f7d3

Huh - thanks for the input! I'll take a look at it the next time I'm at the in-laws and see if the position of the action bar can be modified.

As a follow up, I did end up getting a Stoeger M3000 (28in, walnut). I was in a Dick's (I know, but it was before the unpleasantness) returning a shirt and they gave me a 15% off coupon. I went up to the gun counter, they had one in stock, and were willing to test if the system would accept the coupon on firearms and ammo. Sure enough, it did! The action was a little rough, but smoothed out with repeated manipulation and snap-cap loading. I like the way it shoots, but now I've caught the shotgun bug and am looking for something pump in the 18.5-20in range. Whoops.

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  InrangeTV: WWSD: Rethinking the AR15 - CONCLUSION

The shills for Dixie Waste Services have finally concluded their What Would Stoner Do project, and come up with a gun that weighs under 5.5 lbs.



Thoughts on their setup? Thoughts on modern AR parts in general?
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>> No. 107202 ID: 9dcda2
> full retard overgassed

I'm pretty pleased with the SLR gas block. The word is they're pretty durable and reliable.

Check out the JP Rifles video Mass vs Gas.

> carbon fiber wrap barrels

For .223? I've seen plenty of 22LR barrels, which sounds fine. Steel is pretty good for the whole barrel thing.
>> No. 107204 ID: 1519ac
They are steel, just a small diameter that gets wrapped in carbon fiber. You can get them in .338, .223 will be fine.
>> No. 107207 ID: 22ba7a
>Check out the JP Rifles video Mass vs Gas.
Good basic overview, but it doesn't really address the little details of bolt bounce from a standard spring and buffer system. Probably doesn't apply with the JP captured springs and all that fancy stuff. Vuurwapen touches a bit on this type of thing in video related.

There's a lot of carbon fiber wrap barrels out there, they are not made equal. Although my experience is limited, I'm willing to try out the Proof Research barrels. They offer a very stiff and accurate barrel for what basically amounts to pencil-profile steel weight. I've seen them in calibers up to 338 Lapua, and I've heard of a test where a shooter dumped a hundred rounds through his 308 Norma Mag as fast as he could cycle his bolt action. Keep in mind that caliber is very close to a 300 Win Mag, a hundred rounds that fast is quite a lot and it'll get the barrel cooking hard. Heat mirage over the barrel made precision shooting almost impossible, but still the Proof Research barrel didn't show much point of impact shift. The barrel cooled very quickly, quicker than any steel barrel, and proceeded to fire a group of the same size and position as the first cold-bore group.

This test is hearsay and anecdotal, but the witness is trustworthy. Still, I'm still skeptical and I'll definitely be honest as I'm spending my own money on this. Even with magazine limitations, I know I can get a barrel fucking hot, and I'll definitely try out various tests myself and report without sugarcoating.
>> No. 107215 ID: 60641c
I think the best part about the WWSD project is the fact that a good polymer lower can save you weight and not give up a bit of functionality or durability. If the price of AR lowers ever rises, I'd love to see GWACS improve the old CavArms design. I don't think they'd ever sell enough to pay down the tooling cost with the cost of aluminum lowers such as they are.

The carbon fiber handguard is neat too. The light weight, strength, and heat rejection are real benefits if you can get past the cost.
>> No. 107221 ID: 22ba7a
Here's a good article on good carbon wrap barrel.


From what I understand at this point, carbon fiber is much more complicated than at first blush. The epoxy and the weave pattern matter a whole lot, and both can dramatically change the properties of the final product to such an extent that they appear polar opposites.

For example, a carbon fiber handguard can be so insulating that it stays cool in direct sunlight and high round counts. However, with the right wrap and epoxy compound, a carbon fiber wrap barrel can conduct heat away faster than steel. In essence, the carbon fiber wrap acts like a massive heat sink that dissipates heat into the outside air very efficiently, cooling the steel barrel within quickly.

We all seem to think firearms have plateaued, and while that may be true for the basic form and function of standard cased munition firearms, I think we will see many changes stemming from material sciences. What now may be fancy expensive accessories or components will get cheaper, and with that might come changes to firearm designs that will reduce weight, improve durability, and other such factors. I think in the next decade or two, carbon fiber and other such boutique materials could become as prevalent as polymer is now.

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