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104102 No. 104102 ID: 813f6b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
>Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IV™ pistols (including 22/45™ models) manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. In particular, if the trigger is pulled while the safety lever is midway between the "safe" and "fire" positions (that is, the safety is not fully engaged or fully disengaged), then the pistol may not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, if the trigger is released and the safety lever is then moved from the mid position to the "fire" position, the pistol may fire at that time.
>All Mark IV™ pistols produced prior to June 1, 2017 are potentially affected and therefore are being recalled. This includes Mark IV™ Target, Hunter, Competition, 22/45™, 22/45™ Lite and 22/45™ Tactical models. These models bear serial numbers beginning with "401" (2017 models) or "WBR" (2016 models).
>If you have a Mark IV™ or 22/45™ pistol with a serial number beginning with the number "5," your pistol is not subject to the recall.
>Mark IV™ and 22/45™ pistols retrofitted with the updated safety mechanism are easily identified by the letter "S" in the white safety dot that is visible when the safety is engaged.
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>> No. 104137 ID: bb90ae
Meh, if I wanted a gun that the preferred mode of firing was manipulating the safety, I'd have gotten a Remington.
>> No. 104829 ID: 78e056
Ruger with a recall? Who would have thought...
>> No. 104867 ID: 61f358
I'm wondering whether it's just because they come out with more new designs than anyone else.

Plus, they're willing to do a recall where other companies aren't.
>> No. 104869 ID: bd9939
I don't know about that. It feels like we've been getting quality holds and recalls almost every week from just about everybody the past few months. Just had to send back a bunch of daniel defenses for the trigger issues. Every new Remington is basically a given, and even when it's not it should be. I swear guns are getting cheaper and cheaper as companies feel the heat from the 5 to 1 ratio of shitty Taurus PT111's or Remington 783's flying out the doors for every dependable gun.

I don't really have a huge love for Ruger's stuff, but I do like a couple of their rimfires. I have a very early Standard as well as a MKII and still fully intend on getting one of the MK IV lites down the road. They do have a shitload of issues I've noticed though. The other day I pulled out a 5.56 precision (lol even if it was functional) and neither of the mags would even seat. Had to send it back. The next day we had a .223 American where the rounds would just shoot back up and out of the magazine as well as one of the brand new mags off a peg. Had to steal an old mag out of a used one.

I respect their variety, but they really do cheap out on stuff.
>> No. 104870 ID: db7cf2
same fam. it seems like the rate of warranty returns at the shop i work at puts rugers disproportionately higher than other manufacturers, even next to freedom group/RAC guns.

i dont think i can say ruger is a bad company, because they are generally very personable over the phone, and are willing to square things away with us or the customer almost instantaneously, (shitting all over bill ruger's grave is definitely a plus) but i dont think i will be going out of my way to buying any for myself. all i really have left of theirs is an LCP i will probably hawk to get a glock 42 down the line.

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104860 No. 104860 ID: 628641 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Would it be alright to cerakote over a factory paint job? Or should the factory paint be stripped off first?
>> No. 104864 ID: bf333d

How durable do you aim to have this be?

Obviously, for optimum effect, you need to strip, degrease & sandblast (sanding is discouraged).

>> No. 104868 ID: 9783bc
thanks u

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104851 No. 104851 ID: bf333d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So Mateba does a limited run of M2006 revolvers. Only 30 made for 2017.

And stamps 3.57Mag on them. Idiots.
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>> No. 104854 ID: bf333d
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Doesn't even look nicely finished either.

They're asking over 2000 euros a piece.
>> No. 104855 ID: bd9907
>3.57 MAG.
They're just that much more collectible now.
>> No. 104856 ID: d62a2b
That's a naked money-grab from whoever owns the name and rights to Mateba. Quality's bound to be garbage beyond harmless shit like 3.57.
>> No. 104857 ID: 19518e
This will be the new no compromises backwards cartridges thing.
>> No. 104859 ID: 3b513a

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a Unica (although I really want a unicorn that doesn't seem to exist -- one of the 6" versions in .454, AFAIK it was only available in the Grifone), but man, this is just a shamefully halfassed cash grab.

Maybe I'm just a hipster, but when oddball shit starts showing up in the huge FPS franchises, my desire for it pretty much takes a nose-dive. Seems like a really good "gib money plz" indicator.

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104088 No. 104088 ID: f2172d hide watch quickreply [Reply]
So, I'm thinking about updating to a new 9mm suppressor that I can use on both handguns and my SMGs. I currently have my old YHM 9mm cans the Wraith XL and Cobra M2, but they sealed, as well as heavy and beat up (i.e. finish wear and at least one baffle strike). The Wraith can only be used on SMGs and the Cobra is handgun only.

The Sig SRD9 has caught my attention, but I am open to alternatives. My requirements:
1) 9mm, duh.
2) full auto capable
3) can be used on both handguns and SMG/carbines
4) quick detach not necessary
5) titanium or lighter tube
6) will be run dry
7) no baffle material or configuration preference at this time. Looking for 'reasonable' decibel reduction level, but doesn't have to be quietest.
8) $500-1200 price range.

Any recommendations?
>> No. 104089 ID: 813f6b
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Seems like there's fairly big differences when it comes to gas blow back on some of these cans. If you look at the MPX vids, some cans kick back far more gas than others.

Is that a consideration you want to take into account, or isn't it a factor for your guns?
>> No. 104093 ID: f2172d
Not a major concern. I am used to gas blowback on practically every can I have used.
>> No. 104837 ID: f2172d
Went in to buy the SRD9, ended up buying a 9mm MPX SBR instead. Of course, the SRD9 will follow, eventually.
>> No. 104838 ID: 181cef
Gotta hate it when the ole intention to do does the switcharoo on you. Pics when the MPX comes in!
>> No. 104839 ID: c3b8cf
It'll be awhile, but it is a regular mpx with the pdw stock.

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104133 No. 104133 ID: c29d3c hide watch quickreply [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
Hey folks, a while ago I found a tonne of excellent high quality posts on machine guns on here, including the Japanese Type 11, 96, 99, Italian Breda M30, Breda 5c, American M1919s

I saved a couple of them, but they are a bit lower res, I was wondering if anyone had all of them, in their full
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US M2 .50 BMG at Camp Leatherneck, Helmand province, Afghanistan, 2013.
>> No. 104818 ID: 587b99
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>> No. 104858 ID: 7e50f2
Richard L. Wray Collection

All the high resolution images
659 images, 1 GB, split into 7 archives – ordered alphabetically by name.

Some of it is already in Bat Guano's excellent dump.

No. 104114 ID: 1989a8 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
  Does this shit work?
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>> No. 104132 ID: 813f6b

Yes, but it tries to take care of bullet drop, windage & leading the target for you.
You don't need to do mental math, adjust the scope and/or use kentucky windage to make your shot.
>> No. 104138 ID: 90e103
I think the rotor wash would only have a minor effect since the bullet is at its maximum velocity when it leaves the barrel, and would only be affected for a short period of time.

I wonder if the tracking point factors in the shooters movement speed.

Also I don't​ think it could be trusted to shoot a hostage taker. Maybe it will execute the perfect shot... Right through the hostage's neck...
>> No. 104142 ID: 334c17
As far as I'm aware of, every modern military have this sort of system available, only normally they are pretty much top secret. If these are just officially released models and numbers, I wonder what top-notch systems actually are, and how long they are in the field.

>weather station
>fully functional ballistic calculator
>wireless connection
>automatic trigger release

Hell, this is probably a tad bit too beefy for actual thing. Maybe just a promo of sorts.
>> No. 104143 ID: bf333d
>I think the rotor wash would only have a minor effect since the bullet is at its maximum velocity when it leaves the barrel, and would only be affected for a short period of time.

5.56x45 is fairly seriously affected by rotor wash, but I couldn't say for 7.62x51 or above.

The thing is that the ballistic computer would need to know it's in a helicopter to factor it in in at least a meaningful way and even then, the wash is variable.
>> No. 104144 ID: 3f7131
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Makes one wonder about the three simultaneous shots from a pitching deck that saved Captain Phillips. It would be the perfect application of a computer-triggered action.

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  Not sure if this is genius or stupid, but it's neat.

Also fun to brand people with it, I guess. Good luck getting this into a bag right after shooting it.

One of my biggest gripes with AR15s has always been the lack of folding stocks. But this is obviously going a step further.
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>> No. 104112 ID: 3e843b
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I would think even a Obrez would be more effective at close ranges then a pistol caliber weapon. From what I know most common pistol rounds aren't all that amazing, relatively slow and don't dump alot of power into a target compared to a pistol round.

However pistol rounds are usually alot lighter, don't need to travel super far to get maximum kill velocity, and don't over-penetrate like most rifle rounds do. Hence why PDWs have some love, they have the best of both worlds.

On the Carter Special there seems to be some confusion on why it was made. Its generally agreed that the reason was the wars in A-stan and Iraqistan and OPERATORS introducing their new hadji friends to the greatest thing Belgium has made since Audrey Hepburn.

The disagreements seems to be whether it was because it was so hard to procure blanks, with most 5.7 ammo production presumably going to fulfilling military contracts or because they were having a tough time acquiring P90 "props" as in the firearms. Either way it has the same result, the Carter Special was made to be used either to fire the super common 5.56 round or to be used in firing scenes because they didn't have enough live fire P90s.
>> No. 104113 ID: 44de19
It was probably just a bunch of stuff the armorer for the show already had on hand, I doubt they went out and bought a bunch of new shit to glom together.

Also, while I didn't care for the Ori storyline (what's that Lassie? ANOTHER race pretending to be gods? Better kill all of them too!) and as much as I didn't like the season 9/10 team quite as much as the OG SG1, I was pleased to see things like the MP7 showing up. More than anything, it aided the feeling that they were a present day special operations team making use of the equipment available in the present day.

Plus Teal'c dual wielding MP7s made me smile. Realism be damned.
>> No. 104121 ID: 188832
yeah over penetration worries are why the colt D.O.E. smg conversion came to be , mission drives equipment and all that.

If I were to state pistol rounds in SMG's and SBR's were less than desirable that would color me a hypocrite as an owner of a Brugger & Thomet TP9 ( and wanting quite a few pistol caliber SBR's ) each tool has it's use.
I want to eventually get a PS90 or an AR 57 11" barreled upper whichever comes first , but I have to get my life back on track.

>>104113 And yes dual wielding MP7's while unrealistic / overkill is kinda bad ass in it's own pulpy way, can't say much for the quality of stories in the later seasons as they were "average" but the cinematography and action scenes were good.
>> No. 104125 ID: 3e843b
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Teal'c dual wielding P90s is superior to Teal'c dual wielding MP7s.

Though I did like them using the MP7s. They seemed to mainly use them in missions they were trying to pass as non Tau'ri humans. Which makes sense as the MP7 looks more like a classical weapon compared to the more distinctive P90. The shows portrays other humans like the Lucien Alliance and various planets as having projectile weapons similar if not identical to Earth weapons.

A real problem with using off the shelf props and weapons is sometimes people not from Earth were carrying around things like barely modified MAC-10s and Steyr SPPs (from the episode where SG-1 is carrying around MP7s to not look like Earthers) and not even modified Lugers, Garands, Kar 98Ks, and various AK variants. I mean they atleast try sometimes to portray weapons as alien such as the "Timecop Beretta", the "Timecop Desert Eagle" and the "Bone Jack" Winchester 1887.

One thing I did appreciate though is it seemed like the only person really dual wielding was people not trained by Earth like Teal'c and Bra'tac. The only time I can recall an Earth military person dual wielding was Mitchell using dual MP7s during a dream sequence when he's fighting zombies. Mitchell has a history of dual wielding anyway, mostly pistols named Winona though.

>mission drives equipment

Definitely. Why pistol caliber SMGs and PDWs exist, an assault rifle isn't going to be the right tool for every occasion no matter how powerful it is. Its like the old debates about the usage of PDWs and how people tried to paint them as useless because ballistic gel tests showed they were less powerful compared to assault rifles. When people are using a SMG or PDW they might now want or need the body caviting of a larger assault rifle round.

Its a bit like universal camo pattern in thought. Try to make something a jack of all trades means you have a camo pattern that tends to performs worse then dedicated camo patterns, its universally bad. Now of course an AR ain't anywhere close to universally bad unless you are some idiot who still thinks its the 1960s and there haven't been any changes to the first gen Mattel-16s. But trying to use them as a universal platform, atleast from an ammo standpoint, seems like a bad idea. I suppose you can use it as a universal platform with mixed results, an AR can fire 9mm like a MP5, 5.7 like a P90, .45 like a UMP, and even 7.62x39 like an AK.
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>> No. 104136 ID: bb90ae
>The only time I can recall an Earth military person dual wielding was Mitchell using dual MP7s during a dream sequence when he's fighting zombies

Not so much a dream sequence as Mitchell's idea of a good TV show. From the episode "200" (the 200th episode of the show. As a result they had a lot of fun with it.) Basically it was SG1 brainstorming with Martin Lloyd (alien living on earth) about creating a TV show to help with creating plausible deniability and all that to help keep the Stargate program covered.

I'd have watched the hell out of Teal'C P.I.

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104045 No. 104045 ID: 813f6b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Because I needed to request a permit for a shotgun I'm planning to buy, I also added a permit for a SAFN onto the list.

As it turns out, perfect timing. Two collector's already notified they were selling theirs AND a local surplus dealer just brought a batch of refinished belgian army SAFNs onto the market. The wood is likely not correct and the parts are fully refinished, but personally, I don't mind too much if the price is right.

Here's some pics of the various rifles I've been offered so far.
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>> No. 104076 ID: ea0b87
Had an 8mm Egyptian model in the past. Nice little gun but eventually traded away after tracking down reasonably priced 8mm got tedious.
>> No. 104094 ID: 813f6b
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So I cracked & bought the pictured one on the spot.

It was just too fucking perfect to pass up (virtually no finish wear, almost no internal wear, barrel was a mirror). Not even re-arsenaled. Just factory fucking new. Whatever blemish shows up in the pictures is barely visible irl.

And the price was fair, so no use in arguing.


I visited this strong room. Dozens of FALs, FNCs, CALs, FN BAR Ds, FN MAG, Minimi, SAFNs, MG34, MG42, FN made UZIs, MP5s, Thompsons, Garands, cases upon cases of high powers, etc. Absolutely breath taking. All in working condition (except display & teaching models) and full auto where relevant.

I almost spilled all my spaghetti when I entered the room.
>> No. 104123 ID: 0876ee
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I own a Lux, I have to say, I am not a fan. Before I bought one, I'd see pics of them online and think they were goddamn sexy, and I love tilting bolts.

There's nothing really wrong with the FN49, except the stock, which I'll get to.

There's a few SMALL inconveniences out of it, like the non-detachable magazine. I don't mind the non-detachable magazine on the SKS, but for some reason, it bothers me more on the FN49, maybe because you can't drop it and have to cycle rounds to clear it. I mean, even the shitty detachment on AG42s at least lets you remove the mag for cleaning without unscrewing out the trigger group. That said, the manual bolt hold open is 10/10, I love the idea of topping off a top-charging semi rifle, and the FN49, G43, VZ58, and M1A are cool as shit that you can do that. It just feels like there was this tiny, few year period where that made sense, the first generation, or generation and a half of combat feasible semi-auto battle rifles. The charging handle also feels just a little too small for the strength of the spring, I would have appreciated a little more leverage, especially if my hands were wet or something, enough to put two fingers on. MAS44s also suffer from this, btw.

The FN49 is also oddly heavy. It just seems like a couple pounds heavier than other rifles in its class, the 8-10 round semi-auto battle rifles, so its less fun to carry. I think the weight comes from the stock. For some weird bullshit reason, they made the stock RIDICULOUSLY THICK. This just makes the rifle feel bulky as hell, which okay, if I wanted pointy, I'd get an M1 carbine. Especially around the wrist of the stock, you can see in the side profile pictures, but its not that noticeable, its a bit wider than most other stocks, the C grip is absurdly thick, and way closer to the trigger than the other rifles, but what you don't see in side pictures, which was my entire experience before gunbrokering one, is just how THICK the stock is. Like look at this, >>104052 , you can see how much the stock extends past the handguard. I don't know, I have smaller hands, maybe, but just the stock made me not really like the FN49 very much. I guess Belgians have comically oversized hands.

I have to admit, I haven't shot it. Partly because the lack of enjoyment of the rifle itself, but mostly because I keep getting other guns. So I can't comment on how good of a shooter it is, it might be great.

Would I buy it again? Yes, but only to complete the collection. I have every other 8-10 shot battle rifle, and the FN49 holds a unique place in history, but personally, I can see why the belgian navy adopted the 1950 mauser, which is a beautiful gun.
>> No. 104126 ID: 813f6b
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>There's a few SMALL inconveniences out of it, like the non-detachable magazine.

Which is quite standard for a gun designed prior to WW2. While plenty of examples of detachable mags exist, they were usually shot down by the armies fielding them. Most obvious example being the SMLEs which are perfectly capable for being fed from detachable mags, but the rifles were modified to lock the mags in for fear of "loss" and increasing complexity of the logistics.

While the production only started after WW2 and the design could have been updated with ideas from the SVT40 etc, I'd argue that if the SAFN didn't have a fixed mag, it's highly likely it would be regarded with less nostalgia than it is now. It's the last "elegant old-war rifle".

>The FN49 is also oddly heavy. It just seems like a couple pounds heavier than other rifles in its class, the 8-10 round semi-auto battle rifles, so its less fun to carry.

It's the same weight as a Garand or a Johnson, and significantly lighter than a Ljungman, FG42 or G41? The only rifle I can think of in its class which is really lighter is the SVT?

>For some weird bullshit reason, they made the stock RIDICULOUSLY THICK.

It's ironic that you should mention it, because aside of the complaint with regards to detachable mags, the stock being too flimsy was the official complaint that came out of the Korean war.

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>> No. 104127 ID: d0041a
IMO FN-49 was markedly handier and lighter than the Hakim, both shot well but the FN-49 is downright pleasant - I didn't have the same ergonomic issues - the stock is thick but I'm also a bigger guy

Again IMO no other 10 shot semi held a candle to the MAS 49/56 - that rifle handles like a carbine and it feels 4lbs lighter than it actually is, I'm still bewildered why the french didn't give it a 20 rounder when it was better than the M14 and BM-59 (and at least nearly on par with the FAL and G3)

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104025 No. 104025 ID: 56190f hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
US M2 Carbine, an assault rifle, submachinegun or PDW?
The .30 Carbine metric dimensions are 7.62x33mm and that looks similar to the Sturmgewehr 44's 8mm Kurz' 7.92x33mm round, but the .30 Carbine has a thin case more akin to a pistol cartridge, not a fat bottlenecked assault rifle case like the 8mmK. The .30 Carbine round is more comparable to the .357 Magnum (9x33mmR) pistol cartridge in performance.
A standard .30 Carbine ball bullet weighs 110 grains (7.1 g); a complete loaded round weighs 195 grains (12.6 g) and has a muzzle velocity of 1,990 ft/s (610 m/s), giving it 967 ft·lbf (1,311 joules) of energy when fired from the M1 Carbine's 18" barrel. A .357 Magnum cartridge fired from an 18" rifle barrel, which can have a muzzle velocity range from about 1,718–2,092 ft/s (524–638 m/s) with energies at 720–1,215 ft·lbf (976–1,647 J) for a 110 gr (7.1 g) bullet at the low end and a 125 gr (8.1 g) bullet on the high end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Carbine
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>> No. 104072 ID: 56190f
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But is the attached ammo pouch uncomfortable when aiming?
>> No. 104124 ID: 0876ee
Its not uncomfortable at all. My only complaint is that it seems to move around a little too much for my tastes, but I can see the combat value. Ended up taking the mag pouch off my M1 carbine and putting it on my single shot .22, where it sufficiently holds 2 50 round boxes of .22, or a bunch of loose ammo for high speed reloads. Its a pain in the ass to keep bending over to grab another round of .22 at your feet when standing, and the pouch fixed that problem really well.

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104036 No. 104036 ID: 815268 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Haters gonna hate
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>> No. 104084 ID: 56190f
  Mossberg + Aguila mini shell + adapter = solved https://youtu.be/zsiyLkZtW-E
An introduction to my adapter I designed and had made that allows Aguila mini shells to function reliably in a Mossberg 500 series pump 12 gauge shotgun

Aguila 12 gauge 1" Minishells https://youtu.be/zi2sjO7yH3g
>> No. 104085 ID: 56190f
  Serbu Super Shorty with mini shells https://youtu.be/ZyRLMOsEJkI
Testing out the Aguila mini shells in the Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun. They don't chamber reliably unless you put the weapon at an extreme cant when extracting and chambering. The shells are so small they tumble around.
>> No. 104086 ID: 56190f
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Aguila Minishells - slug, buckshot, & birdshot.
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>> No. 104092 ID: da39fa
I own an (apparently discontinued? There was a lawsuit or something, I'm not sure but it's not for sale anymore, it's a weird situation) ATI TACSX2 which is one of those Turkish-made semiauto shotguns and when I was able to get my hands on some Aguila minishells (birdshot) it cycled them reliably (this was after the break-in period). That was only two boxes though, I just can't get minishells locally.

I've read that Winchester 1300s can reliably feed the rounds, as well as 1897s.

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