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109756 No. 109756 ID: 4a9ef7 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Anyone have experience with early metallic cartridge rifles like the .577 Snider or Martini-Henry .577-450?
The ammo, made by specialty loaders, is obscenely expensive. Such as...
577 Snider 450 Grain, Black Powder Ammunition Box of 20 for $87.69
https://www.buffaloarms.com/577-snider-450-grain-black-powder-ammunition-box-of-20-amobp577snider
577/450 Martini Henry .460" 480 Grn. Bullet, Black Powder Ammo (Loaded with Bertram Brass) Box of 20 for $189.99
https://www.buffaloarms.com/577-450-martini-henry-460-480-grn-bullet-black-powder-ammo-loaded-with-bertram-brass-box-of-20-amobp577450mh

UK Snider .577 (14.7x51mmR), Swedish rolling block 12.7x44mm, 1876 Alex Henry 577-450.
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>> No. 109775 ID: 4a9ef7
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.577 revolvers:
http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/news/articles/British_Big_Bores.pdf
http://www.classicarmsjournal.com/577-revolvers/2/
>> No. 109807 ID: 12bc72
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Anyone have experience with that big-bore AR round, the .450 Bushmaster?
>> No. 109808 ID: 12bc72
File 159287525363.jpg - (146.73KB , 1500x650 , antique US Ruger-Gunsite Scout Rifle _450 Bushmast.jpg )
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Ruger-Gunsite Scout Rifle in .450 Bushmaster
https://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/specSheets/6837.html
>> No. 109809 ID: 12bc72
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450 Bushmaster: Extraordinary Large Bore Cartridge
https://ammosquared.com/450-bushmaster-extraordinary-large-bore-cartridge/
Because this cartridge was specifically designed with the AR-15 platform in mind, it easily fits single stacked in a standard AR-15 magazine with a single shot follower. Therefore, a 10-round AR-15 magazine body will contain 5 rounds and a 20-round AR-15 magazine body will contain 9-rounds whereas, a 30-round magazine body will contain 13 rounds.
>> No. 109810 ID: 12bc72
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So, with a muzzle velocity of 2,100 fps to 2,200 fps, the .450 Bushmaster is certainly not a slow cartridge and, with a 250 grain or 260 grain bullet delivering 2,800 ft/lbs of kinetic energy at the muzzle, it is absolutely devastating on impact! Therefore, it is no wonder that this cartridge has become so popular among military Special Forces personnel as well as medium and large game hunters who prefer the AR-15 platform since it has the power needed to instantly stop enemy soldiers wearing standard body armor as well as both large and dangerous game species at relatively long ranges. https://ammosquared.com/450-bushmaster-extraordinary-large-bore-cartridge/


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109541 No. 109541 ID: ee0ef7 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Y'all like S Words and shit? Post em. I've still gotta wall-mount that kriegsmesser and arming sword.
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>> No. 109748 ID: f2172d
>>109616

Impact area also plays a factor, so equal mass and velocity but spread out over different areas would make a difference in effectiveness.
>> No. 109749 ID: 6c3ca3
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Remember The Club anti-theft steering wheel lock from the 1980s?
Here's one touted to double as a weapon:
"The car lock make of Hardened steel, Weighing 3.1 pounds. When you are in danger, is a good self-defense weapons."
One end has a spike for breaking car windows in an emergency.
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Adjustable-Anti-Theft-Self-defense-Emergency/dp/B074X6QKHF/
>> No. 109752 ID: ddd160
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Found one of these in the disorganized shitpile of a second arms room I'm taking over at work. So fucking stupid, but next time I end up in the field this stupid ho is getting hand receipted out and coming strapped on my IOTV obviously.
>> No. 109753 ID: 58727a
>>109752
Those were actually issued?
>> No. 109794 ID: 751d6a
>>109753
Yes I can confirm this.


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109459 No. 109459 ID: d6b148 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Post em if you got em
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>> No. 109718 ID: 0d01d8
>>109715
Back in the Great Depression, guys would get a carton of the old paper shotshells, pry open the front, and pour out the shot. Then they'd take a big fat steel ball bearing--one they'd checked to make sure it would fit down the shotgun's bore, first, of course--wrapped it in paper to reduce its contact with the sides of the bore and try to hold it sort of centered, and put that in the shell. Then they'd re-crimp it and seal it with candle wax.

Guys with hungry families killed a whole hell of a lot of whitetail deer with these and bigger animals than that. Is it especially accurate? No. But it was good enough for those close-in shots in brush country and thick softwood forests.
>> No. 109722 ID: 0d01d8
>>109714
1. obtain cheap 12 gauge skeet loads with one ounce lead shot in bulk
2. pry open crimps, pour shot into lead melting pot
3. cast in .662" diameter roundball mold, making one ounce slugs
4. drop slug into shotcup, cutting off shotcup petals if necessary for fit
5. corrugated cardboard spacers over top of slug to hold it in place may help consistency of ignition
6. re-crimp
7. ??????
8. PROFIT!

This will not be a full power load, obviously, and may not operate a semiauto shotgun, though if you have the ability to disassemble and reassemble shotgun shells, and access to appropriate powders and a powder measure, there's plenty of load data out there.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150330232334/https://leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/SM%203529.pdf

Round ball shot from a smoothbore barrel like the typical shotgun may or may not give decent accuracy, depending on what you're going to do. Rule of thumb with these is that if you can get five to stay into 4" or 5" at fifty yards, that's good enough for whitetail deer in heavy brush country. Rule of thumb is 7" to 10"+ groups at fifty yards until you find the recipe the gun likes, if it likes any of them.
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>> No. 109723 ID: bbee29
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Yep there's all sorts of ways of doing cheap slugs but no way to get Federal 1oz Magnum 2 3/4" slugs for cheap. Even my wholesale cost up here is just bullshit. No matter, I picked up some full brass shells a while ago and I want to see if I can get this thing to cycle homebuilt gyrojet rounds with a stiff "booster" to get it out the barrel.

>weird shit stuffed down big 'oles
Some of you might remember that time I made taste the rainbow a supersonic reality. Cheap slug-like things go without saying, there's wax slugs, cut shells, birdshot "replacement", and literally Taefloedermoaus or whatever the fuck he's called on youtube, if it fits he's sent it.
>> No. 109728 ID: e56201
>>109718
No doubt if that story is true they were using worn out or stolen ball bearings, but the idea of using a precision ground steel bearing because it's cheaper than a cast piece of lead is hilarious.
>> No. 109735 ID: 634ac6
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>>109474
Not a bootleg gun as such, that's the "FN-P90" from Spawn. I remember it being for sale probably about a decade ago and being fairly cheap since it's so hideous, but it is actually a transferable MAC.


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109709 No. 109709 ID: a36079 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
What gun is this, or is it just crazy movie shit?

Another gun seen in Episode 8 is Kriss Vector
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Vector
>> No. 109711 ID: a36079
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>>109709
Dark image, I tried to enhance it.
>> No. 109712 ID: 2b588c
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The best source for movie guns is the imfdb, the Internet Movie Firearms Database.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
The following weapons were used in Season 1 of the television series Westworld:
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Westworld_-_Season_1

And for Westworld Season 2: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Westworld_-_Season_2

The closest thing to your space gun seems to the FN P90 TR because of the forward trigger guard (with the forward grip hacked away with yours) and the round magazine carousel behing the transparent box magazine laying on top.

The Westworld QA security force continue to carry customized red and black FN P90 TRs as their weapon of choice in the series. Several characters, including Maeve (Thandie Newton), Dolores (Evan Rachel Wood), William (Ed Harris) and Bernard (Jeffrey Wright) use P90s throughout the season. Black FN P90s are also among the weapons used by Delos military contractors.
- Maeve (Thandie Newton) carries the P90 in "Journey Into Night" (S2E01).
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The Man in Black (Ed Harris) uses the P90 in "Vanishing Point" (S2E09).
>> No. 109734 ID: 634ac6
>>109712
Bats is right that the P90 is the closest thing as that looks to be a non-gun prop made from(most likely) an airsoft P90.


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109485 No. 109485 ID: d507e4 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Well, for those not in the know, Robinson Arms is releasing a small batch of M-96 rifles. (maybe 200) I'm already on the list to buy one with an MSRP of $2500 and change. Convince me not to...anybody?
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>> No. 109562 ID: 101bb6
>>109557

No I had to. I went back to live in Germany for a few years. No way could I take my stuff with me. I put four in storage (my P88 being one. Never parting with it) and just left. I had to get clean.

I miss our emails. Im glad your still around. I have missed you. You were always a rock.

I guess in my situation a Glock 17, A Walther P88, a 1911, and an LR-300. Because that's all I have.

I would feel better if I had an M4 again and an AK74. Mine was a Saiga Legion and 5.45 is really the better caliber.

Wouldn't mind a FAL for nostalgia and another P226 but guns are kinda back burner right now.

My ideal list would be:
-M4 Carbine with an ACOG or Red dot
-AK74 no optic
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>> No. 109563 ID: c3cbd5
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>>109562
The P88 is a very good pistol from the 1980s.
The Walther P88 is highly prized among collectors and sport shooters due to its superb accuracy (40 to 50 mm [1.5 to 2 in] groups at 20 m [25 yd]) and high-quality construction. But the standard P88 was heavily criticized for being bulky, heavy and expensive; the Compact version solved none of these issues. High-quality German pistols don't come cheap, you proles!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_P88
- Walther P88 with Nill wood grips.
>> No. 109564 ID: c3cbd5
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109564
As Oskar Schindler said, "Nice things cost money."
>> No. 109565 ID: 101bb6
>>109563
Well I had one in the early 90s. Tracked one down umpteen years ago. Posted pictures I know but that was like 3 laptops ago.

Its like if Walther made a 226. But nicer. Its a luxury piece. A nice gun but you dont really want to go beating it around.

I havent shot it in at least 10 years. I need to change that.
>> No. 109710 ID: 9d3e1a
>>109562
>>109563

Classy piece, HM.


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109642 No. 109642 ID: 788a19 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Condor Kukri Machete. I've never owned a machete until now. I already want another but I'll probably buy a swiss axe next.
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>> No. 109692 ID: 5785ed
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>>109691
Thanks!
Image for the image board.
- A Gurkha hand-forged kukri, rated the best kukri machete of 2020 by BladesGuru
>> No. 109693 ID: 5785ed
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Nepalese Kukri, Antique
$275.00
A seldom encountered example of a true Nepalese Kukri, crafted for use by one of the various Hill Tribes. Originally the basic utility knife of the Nepalese People, the Kukri was brought to the worlds attention by the various Gurka Regiments of the British and Indian Armies.
This example was crafted for use. The carved wood scabbard with rattan binding suggest that it was probably a Tribal piece. The curved blade is in ver good condition, The blade was well cared for and is free of rust, the incise carved pattern still clear. The carved bone hilt is capped with an ebony disk. The lower binding on the scabbard is missing as are the small tools normally found.
The blade is 11" in length and the knife is 15" overall.
https://www.ethnoarts.com/store/p142/_Nepalese_Kukri%2C_Antique.html
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>> No. 109698 ID: 788a19
>>109690
To be honest I thought people would post their personal knives/swords/axes. No worries though man!


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109033 No. 109033 ID: b6e91c hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Pretend for some reason we can't steal tanks or something.
What kind of technicals can Americans come up with? Desert people manage to slap together some cool stuff so we should be able to do better.
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>> No. 109296 ID: 793056
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>>109288
Probs did something like this?
>> No. 109317 ID: 862a73
>>109270
The bolt on CROWS systems are exactly as you described them. I hadn't heard of any LAV turrets being put onto a Humvee and I doubt that guy was telling you the truth. There isn't enough space to put that on there plus the wiring would be too much for a mechanic team to just drop everything else and get done correctly. I could see putting a 25mm on a Humvee and I've seen M134 miniguns put into Humvee turrets, but a full blown LAV turret?

There were some awesome frankentrucks out there in the early years of the war. Ive seen HEMTT and LMTV guntrucks that were so heavily armored and well built that they proved to be more useful than the purpose built APCs in our AO. For a while, we really thought the Army & Marines we're going to start putting them together in the states but they went with the MRAPs instead. Having played with both, I really preferred the frankentrucks.

At one point in Afghanistan, the local jingletrucks were being ambushed and robbed by insurgents so we decorated a small convoy of LMTVs with painted bedsheets and Christmas lights and started using those to draw out the attackers. They looked convincing at night and worked great.
>> No. 109496 ID: d68317
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Why is this thread not in /v/?
Come on, I need some company over there!
>> No. 109497 ID: d68317
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Also, have some Vietnam gun truck.
>> No. 109538 ID: 0c84a6
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109502 No. 109502 ID: ac4ac3 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Nice restorations.
Here's a nice US Winchester Model 1876 in .45-75 by Turnbull Restoration.
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>> No. 109530 ID: ac4ac3
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>> No. 109531 ID: ac4ac3
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>> No. 109532 ID: ac4ac3
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>> No. 109533 ID: ac4ac3
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US Winchester Model 1892 Deluxe Takedown in .45 Colt by Turnbull Restoration.
Very nice work.
>> No. 109534 ID: ac4ac3
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Forgotten Weapons has a series of videos on Winchester Lever Action Development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGnRSE7lpI&list=PL9e3UCcU00TREsGA9nkvCqFp2e0Ht9u3e
Winchester Lever Action Development: 1860 Henry https://youtu.be/ofGnRSE7lpI
- US Winchester Model 1866 Deluxe with semi-relief engraving by Conrad F. Ulrich.


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109075 No. 109075 ID: b2b3ad hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/06/19/us-army-ngsw-submission-6-8-sherwood-by-vk-integrated-systems-and-bachstein-consulting/
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>> No. 109085 ID: 6affc4
>6.5 CM already has really long bullets and still fits into a .308 overall length.

Yeah, you're right, probably due to geometry.

>https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/32911

What's the trick with these? Carbide core?
>> No. 109088 ID: 8e4d38
>the XR-68 houses the SmarTak electronics system, an advanced weapons system design for real-time battlespace awareness.
Sounds kind of like the dozens of fancy looking eyepro mounted HALO HUD doodads I helped the armorer do a layout on the other week.

>we want the best inovative tech out there
>Nobody knows how to use it and it's expensive
>let's throw it in a box and only bring it out to count every change of command and then probably lose the cables when putting it all away time fucking now due to some absurd time hack
Army strong
>> No. 109171 ID: eb971f
>>109076
>Nothing the Army will ever take seriously.
This. The Army is moving toward a plastic cased ammunition for their next generation of rifles and LMGs so this is already dead in the water. It also doesn't do anything better than an AR in 5.56 as long as the barrel is at least 16 inches. You only run into problems with that cartridge and bullet when the barrel is chopped off. I am so sick of tards who fuck up a perfectly good, well-engineered product then either complain that it's badly designed or try to come up with a "fix" that is anything other than undoing their bubba-fudd hackjob.
>> No. 109271 ID: 0d01d8
>>109083
>why does the Army want 6.8 specifically?

Just an educated guess here. The reason they went full retard for the 6.8 SPC is the impressive performance--in ballistic gelatin, anyway--of a non-catalogued prototype 115gr .270 caliber Sierra MatchKing bullet that someone at Sierra was nice enough to load into some test ammunition for the Big Army circa 2002. Supposedly in tests they were highly impressed by its consistently rapid yaw cycle.

Which is weird because the conventional wisdom is that "fleet yaw" is a problem because yaw cycle is pretty random and inherently inconsistent and can't be affected greatly by bullet design or velocity, it just is what it is. (.303 British Mk. VIIz and 5.45mm 7N1 say "'sup?" I know, guys. I know.)

Nonetheless, the performance of two or three, max, of these Sierra bullets in Jello blocks made the Big Army's eyes bug out, back when they were still wedded to at least paying lip service to the Hague Convention, which the US never signed in the first place. Whether this level of performance could be sustained even in principle with ammunition using bullets that weren't basically handmade toolroom prototypes, I do not know.

I personally think there's no reason for the 6.8 SPC to exist. 6.5 Grendel does everything it purports to do, but better, with flatter trajectory and better retained velocity that, with carefully chosen bullets, (supposedly) catches up with and surpasses 7.62x51 NATO in terms of kinetic energy somewhere around 1100-1200m, and the high sectional density of 6.5mm bullets allows it to catch up with 7.62 in things like penetrating sandbags and wooden planks long before then. Of course, both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel are both MUCH heavier, round for round than 5.56mm, allowing the guys at the sharp end to carry less ammo for the same weight, and being MUCH more powerful than 5.56 also means they're MUCH less controllable in full auto fire, and these were the exact problems 5.56mm was created to solve 55 years ago.

You'd think, though, that if the Big Army were serious, and not just fucking around with taxpayer money to give Special Forces new toys to make them feel more special, they'd convert the SAW or whatever its replacement is to the new caliber first and foremost, right? Because in modern fire-and-movement infantry tactics the SAW is the infantry squad and platoon's real teeth, the riflemen are just there to keep the SAW gunners from getting outflanked and overrun, amirite guise? So they'd either create a replacement for 5.56mm that fits in SAW links or design a new link and a SAW replacement around it, but almost 20 years on, exactly jack and shit have been done on those fronts.
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>> No. 109452 ID: 6affc4
>>109271
Turns out it's 6.8 but not SPC and all three entries look fairly interesting. If the telescopic ammo gun actually works and doesn't jam in a way that's impossible to clear they will surely find clients even if the US doesn't adopt it.


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109319 No. 109319 ID: 999d89 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Newfag here. Sorry to bother but I've been wanting to get into this for a while and don't know where to start beyond not buying .22
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>> No. 109326 ID: 38aaac
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>> No. 109327 ID: 38aaac
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>> No. 109328 ID: 38aaac
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Do you want to use these starter guns for target practice? Outdoor plinking? Hunting? Defense?
Many good, inexpensive choices for the various uses.
>> No. 109447 ID: b09df8
You could go to an indoor range that has rentals, overcome pride and embarrassment and ask whoever is behind the counter so you can test some stuff out. They may actually offer basic gun safety classes you could take to get familiar with things before you lay cash down.

Tough to beat a .22. Or an assortment of .22s covering pistol, semi-auto rifle, bolt-action rifle. Lot of cheap learning and fun to be had with them. .22 pistols can be especially finicky on ammo and help you familiarize yourself with clearing malfunctions.

But if you're dead set on not doing that, I would recommend a police trade-in or otherwise used (unmodified) Glock 17 or 19. They can be had for $400 or under, inexpensive to feed, work reliably and have great parts availability for you to learn on. Becoming a better pistol shooter pays dividends in automatically making you a better rifle shooter. The fundamentals of sight alignment, trigger control and handling recoil are more difficult on handguns so if you solidify your skills on a handgun, rifle shooting will be faster and easier to pick up. Learning on a spongy Glock trigger will give you a greater appreciation for every other trigger you later enjoy. Handling recoil on a lightweight polymer gun will give you a greater appreciation for the reassuring weight of an all steel pistol.

Just remember safety is first regardless of what you pick.
>> No. 109448 ID: 58727a
>>109447
>Just remember safety is first regardless of what you pick.
This x1000.
What do you intend to use the firearm for OP? Just plinking? A .22 is an excellent choice. Don't want a .22? Get a Ruger PC carbine >>109328 and use the magwell that accepts Glock mags. If it's for home defense, the 9mm carbine would do OK there too. Plus 9mm is cheap. Get a 9mm.


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