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No. 108081 ID: b27d97 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
  Why have rifling in pistols, that are designed specifically for civilian edc and self-defense? Wouldn't smoothbores be a better solution since the range at which such pistols are used is minimal and you'd get the benefit of slightly higher muzzle velocity out of the same barrel length.
>> No. 108084 ID: f2172d
In the US, non-blackpowder smoothbore pistols are typically classified as a 'Any Other Weapon', subject to the rules of the National Firearms Act. Mostly has to do with the ATF considering them as short-barreled shotguns.

Google New England Firearms Handi-Gun, for reference.
>> No. 108085 ID: 9dcda2
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>>108081
> Wouldn't smoothbores be a better solution

No. Tanks use smoothbore guns to accommodate the fin stabilized discarding sabot rounds. Rifling works really well to stabilize standard projectiles. I can't recall the name, but there was that company that put out smoothbore ARs with little nerf football shaped bullets.

> since the range at which such pistols are used is minimal

Accuracy is important. In a civilian defensive scenario, the saying goes that "There's a lawsuit attached to every stray round." Also, you don't always get to choose your engagement distance. Think about the police officers responding to the North Hollywood shootout.

> and you'd get the benefit of slightly higher muzzle velocity out of the same barrel length.

Pistols really don't have enough velocity to matter. You're throwing a chunk of lead that will impact a target and make a 9-12 mm hole in meat, probably break bones, and penetrate some light barriers. Really unless you hit something important like the heart, central nervous system, or some big arteries, it may not stop an attacker.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

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>> No. 108086 ID: b27d97
>>108085
>Really unless you hit something important like the heart, central nervous system, or some big arteries, it may not stop an attacker.

Sounds like like a fat long round keyholeing would be just the ticket.
>> No. 108096 ID: b27d97
Any of you guys heard of "Lancaster barrels"?
>> No. 108098 ID: b27d97
  whoa


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105879 No. 105879 ID: b19b57 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
solomon carter of horse lake mississippi, frequent poster on krautchan, ylilauta, circle/b/ros and /ck/, has purchased a deagle using his mom's credit card. as a part time minimum wage pizza delivery driver solomon needs to protect himself, but he doesn't earn enough money to buy his own weapon.
is this the best weapon for pizza delivery self defense?
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>> No. 105955 ID: 3a45c5
  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/2bC45tI26io
Would not feed SIG ammo well. Winchester and Speer worked fine.
>> No. 105957 ID: 8e9876
  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/D4x11YeGLYw
>> No. 106325 ID: 30d556
>>105955
Odd. Mine does not seem to care what ammo you use in it, but I really need to pull the slide back all the way very hard.
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solomon carter at work in 2015
>> No. 106643 ID: fab486
  colonmon sharter


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108074 No. 108074 ID: 5c87e8 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
With the NRA effectively characterized as a subsidiary of the KGB by the national media, who is there now to protect us from Nancy Pelosi's inevitable whims?
>> No. 108076 ID: f5c3ed
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https://gunowners.co/new-annual-membership
Join or die!
>> No. 108092 ID: 136a5b
SAF and FPC are solid bets, GOA is a bit problematic.
Donate directly to the NRA-ILA, the main org needs to drop Ack-Mac.
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>>108092


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108017 No. 108017 ID: 49babc hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
>Graduate OSUT
>Welcome to Fort Drum
>Biggest hobby is guns

So I'm having to leave 3 AR-15's, all my handguns, undoubtedly my suppressor and all my mags back in Montana.

What the hell should I should do for weapons? I don't really want one of those durped out NY legal AR's unless there's no better option. Saw my first one at a Gander and could only say "what the.....fuuuuuck" Other than a stupid Mini 14, is there some "okay" option I'm missing for a 5.56?

Should I focus on a precision rifle instead?

I"ve got an Ithaca 37 (20 inch) and Mossberg 500 (20 inch), so I'm good for shotguns. Just need a rifle for home defense and parties.
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>>108038
Huh?
>> No. 108040 ID: 85f7d3
>>108038

*It Ain't Me* plays at half speed and off pitch softly in the background.
>> No. 108041 ID: 08af94
>>108034
Yeah I was trying to order from a website I used to have working at a sporting goods store that has a military discount as well. I just need to figure out what is actually legal beagle to have on me. I bought a $20 leatherman kick off of ebay for now since my wife has no idea where my wave is back home. The knife isn't much, but it'll work for now.

>>108036
Sold. Still gay, but I can make that bottom setup work.

>>108038
WTF, over.
>> No. 108042 ID: f5c3ed
>>108038
I like it, would look nice with wood handguards and a wood stock.
>> No. 108063 ID: 5d2235
>>108038
DAT, CamoCowboy and I ended up doing this.

It's so fucking weird but stupid maneuverable


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107998 No. 107998 ID: 667334 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
when is trump going to legalize machineguns?
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>> No. 108014 ID: 09c7e0
>>108009
>what makes you think Trump will legalize new full autos?
bump stocks are dangerous nigger-rigged garbage, people who need high firepower weapons to defend themselves and their property should have purpose built weapons that can be operated safely, not slapped together aftermarket plastic bullshit.
>> No. 108052 ID: d0c708
>>107999
Qft
>> No. 108053 ID: d0c708
>>107999
Qft
>> No. 108055 ID: 7ba92e
  Trump banned bump stocks by executive order on Dec 18, 2018. “A 90 period now begins which persons in possession of bump stock type devices must turn those devices to an ATF field office, or destroy them by March 21.”
Now, if you're not familiar with what a bump stock is, here is the description of these things from the 157 page finalized rule from the US Department of Justice: "These devices convert and otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machine gun by functioning as a self acting or self regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation by the trigger or of the trigger by the shooter."
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13635046/Bump-Stock-Final-Rule.0.pdf

It is impossible to know just how many bump stocks Americans own because the devices aren’t traceable, but ATF has estimated that between 280,000 and about 520,000 have been sold since 2010. White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Donald Trump was “once again fulfilling a promise he made to the American people.” Trump had promised the ban in March, saying the devices “turn legal weapons into illegal machines.” https://www.apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af
President Donald Trump Administration Bans Bump Stocks | NBC Nightly News https://youtu.be/XgI3pRID_bM
>> No. 108062 ID: 5d2235
>>108014
There's no more reason to restrict this than anything else people home brew or other dumb shit of dubious quality.
Go fuck yourself.


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108059 No. 108059 ID: 959b9b hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Just bought the wife a Glock 42 for Christmas.

As with all Glocks, trigger sucks both in terms of performance and feel.

Found The Glock Store - are they the right guys from whom to buy the trigger upgrades? Are there better alternatives?


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108015 No. 108015 ID: 8d1998 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
I've had a recent talk with someone and it has effected me that I've done a complete 180 on the need for State level regulation of automatic weapons from being fully against to in full support of specific regulations. Think of our children.

Picture most definitely related. Seriously, I highlighted it and everything so I'd look at it.
>> No. 108047 ID: 5c87e8
you see the other loophole on that one is that where the constitution of the government united states, it's very being and soul, opens with "we the people" so when the law claims a right to do such and such to place the government above the law as in this case an claims that right for "the united states" they're claiming that for you. you're part of the united states, you're one of us "we the peoples".
it is also nice to note that the people who composed that legislation way back when were educate and skilled enough to obey the no ipso facto claws (rawr) and allow current owners to keep their legal full auto guns. the people trying to ban hi capacity mags don't seem to be as educated, they have a "turn them in" mentality.
>> No. 108048 ID: e56201
>>108047
>no ipso facto claws
Do you mean Ex Post Facto? It's one of my pet peeves when people bring that up in discussions of gun bans. It just means they can't punish you for the act of having bought a gun (or whatever) that was legal at the time you bought it. It doesn't mean they can't criminalize possession of it going forward. It's a pretty simple distinction and people get it wrong ALL THE DAMN TIME.
>> No. 108049 ID: 7ba92e
  Yes, ex post facto (retroactive) criminal laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 (with respect to federal laws) and Article 1, Section 10 (with respect to state laws). Ex post facto laws are allowed in civil matters, administrative laws, or in criminal matters that do not strictly create a punishment, such as in Smith v. Doe (2003) that forcing sex offenders to register their whereabouts at regular intervals, and the posting of personal information about them on the Internet, do not violate the constitutional prohibition against ex post facto laws, because "these laws do not impose any kind of punishment".

BUT... ex post facto laws may apply to gun possession rights. In the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, where firearms prohibitions were imposed on those convicted of misdemeanor domestic-violence offenses and on subjects of restraining orders (which do not require criminal conviction). These individuals can now be sentenced to up to ten years in a federal prison for possession of a firearm, regardless of whether the weapon was legally possessed when the law was passed. The law has been legally upheld because it is considered regulatory, not punitive; it is a status offense. United States v. Emerson, 270 F.3d 203 (5th Cir. 2001). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Emerson

In criminal law, ex post facto laws criminalize actions that were legal when committed; it may aggravate a crime by bringing it into a more severe category than it was in when it was committed; it may change the punishment prescribed for a crime, as by adding new penalties or extending sentences; or it may alter the rules of evidence in order to make conviction for a crime likelier than it would have been when the deed was committed. Conversely, a form of ex post facto law commonly called an amnesty law may decriminalize certain acts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law https://youtu.be/-RZrFWOVugY
>> No. 108050 ID: 7b08d9
>>108049
>sentenced to up to ten years
>fnord
>not punitive
>> No. 108051 ID: 7ba92e
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>>108050
Yeah, I provided the case and citation because people just might not believe that one! A person that has legally purchased firearms but later was charged with (not necessarily convicted) misdemeanor domestic abuse or had a restraining order placed on him better get rid of all of his guns immediately because if he is caught in possession of even a previously legally-obtained firearm, it means ten years in prison. This may be a tactic for using a restraining order to get a spouse or other person arrested for gun possession.

If I remember right, keeping your illegal weapons at a relative's or friend's house (or a storage locker) until your case is adjudicated may not be good enough as the courts may see you are still in constructive possession of the weapons because of your easy access to them.

Here's the whole appellate decision: https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1332436.html


No. 108006 ID: 9dcda2 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
  Trying to decide which Schofield to get.

https://www.uberti-usa.com/top-break-revolver

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/hand-guns/cartridge-revolvers/schofield-revolvers.html
>> No. 108008 ID: 99ee22
I've always wanted a No.3 Russian but it also looks uncomfortable as fuck to hold/fire.

Would anyone here happen to know why the Russians wanted it with that weird spury thing?
>> No. 108010 ID: 9dcda2
>>108008
Apparently it works really well.

https://youtu.be/JdwPvD8JZ84?t=2141
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>>108010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdwPvD8JZ84&feature=youtu.be&t=2333

"Like fighting a squirrel that doesn't want to cuddle." - Othias 2018


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107765 No. 107765 ID: f66077 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
>guns for me but not for thee
sad
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>>107988
>the banks just going to take a hit
lol
>> No. 107990 ID: 738b31
>>107988
Don't know. That's probably why we don't hear anything about it outside of campaigns for elections. My personal thought is that if we could somehow de-fuck how expensive medical care is in this country, there would be plenty of money freed up to at least think about tackling other problems.
I had to have blood work for allergies done not to long ago. One blood draw, one 15 minute doctor visit, and one lab analysis is costing me just shy of $1k, and that is with health insurance. It's not even cheap health insurance.
>> No. 107991 ID: 78adc8
>>107990
Wow. I have bloodwork done every 6 months for my thyroid medication, but they also test 4 other things. It only costs me like $41, and that's with no insurance... God damn dude, you might want to talk to another doc.
>> No. 107992 ID: 20f3d2
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When going to get tests, make sure that your insurance covers them (in-network labs)!
How A Urine Test After Back Surgery Triggered A $17,850 Bill
Urine drug testing has exploded over the past decade amid alarm over rising opioid overdose deaths. Many doctors who prescribe the pills rely on the urine tests to help reduce drug abuse and keep patients with chronic pain safe. Yet the tests have become a cash cow for a burgeoning testing industry, and critics charge that unneeded and often expensive ones are sometimes ordered for profit rather than patient care. Doctors can decide whether to test patients who take opioids for short periods, such as after an operation. Moreno's surgeon would not discuss her urine test — why he ordered it and why the sample was tested for so many substances.

Three experts contacted by Kaiser Health News questioned the need for such extensive testing and were shocked to hear of the lab's prices. They said these tests rarely cost more than $200, and typically much less, depending on the complexity and the technology used. Some doctors' offices use a simple cup test, which can detect several classes of drugs on the spot and could be purchased for about $10. Bills can climb higher when labs run tests to detect the quantity of specific drugs and bill for each one, as the lab did here.

The experts said the lab's prices for individual tests were excessive, such as charging $1,700 to check for amphetamines or $425 to identify phencyclidine, an illegal hallucinogenic drug also known as PCP. They also criticized a charge of $850 for two tests to verify that her urine sample had not been adulterated or tampered with.

Moreno's insurer, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas, refused to pay any of the bill, arguing that the lab was out of network and thus not covered. Had it chipped in, it would have covered the service at $100.92, according to an explanation of benefits the insurance company sent to Moreno.

Sunset Labs says its list prices were "in line" with its competitors in the area. It also said doctors treating pain agree extensive urine testing is "the best course of action" and that a lab "is not in the position" to question tests ordered by a doctor.

Resolution: Fearing damage to his daughter's credit rating, Moreno's father, Dr. Paul Davis, paid the lab $5,000 to settle the bill in April 2017. A retired doctor, he also has filed a formal complaint about the bill with the Texas attorney general's office, accusing the lab of "price gouging of staggering proportions." The lab's attorney said he was not aware of the complaint. A Texas attorney general's spokesperson confirmed to KHN that the office had received complaints about the lab but declined further comment.

The takeaway: When a physician asks for a urine or blood sample, always ask what it&#
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>> No. 108003 ID: 764560
>>107775
they weren't, but you certainly are. If I owned a range these dirtbags, blac bloc, Klansmen, NatSoc, and any other loonies sure as shit wouldn't be allowed. I don't care about your politics but I'm not letting hate groups of either left or right stripe on my range. The last fucking thing any owner needs is two opposing groups of these chuckle fucks to show up at the same time and change the range from one directional to omni-directional due to /pol/ tier retardation about which system of oppression is better.


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107741 No. 107741 ID: 685129 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
https://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SIGP220&name=LEO+Trade-In+SIG+SAUER+P220+.45+AUTO+Handgun&groupid=12866&fprdct=1

I already own 3 .45s (SA 1911, M&P Midsize, Shield 45) and reload for it. Mags aren't too pricey and easy to come by. I see mixed reviews on the trigger but it would be something different in the collection. Thoughts for the price?
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>>107978
>How did anyone ever get by with 7 or 8 rounds?
The curt answer to that old question of low-capacity firearms is to just be a more accurate shot and you won't need so many bullets on hand.

But having more shots in your magazine is really handy seeing how fast 7-shot pistols like the P.220 and Colt M1911 go dry. And, as I have stated before, I prefer the feel of double-column .45s like the Tanfoglio Witness to this. Some people say that double-column .45 pistol grips feel like holding the wrong end of a baseball bat and much prefer the feel of the single-columns and will tolerate the lower capacity of the magazine.

- A German SIG-Sauer P220 .45 ACP 7-round zipperback magazine. The greed-head selling this wants $45 and $3 shipping for this. WTF?
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>>107978
>The trigger on the other hand...
I like it. Something different in my collection.
>> No. 107993 ID: 24ced3
>>107978
Lrn2guns. How did millions of cops, soldiers, and gunfighters get by with only six shots for over a century?

Front sight, press. Repeat as needed.
>> No. 107994 ID: 9dcda2
  >>107993
> How did millions of cops, soldiers, and gunfighters get by with only six shots for over a century?

We used leaded gasoline for a long time too.
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Revolvers!
Mauser BK-27 aircraft revolver cannon from Czech Air Forces’ JAS-39 Gripen.


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