The US's Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) bomb does not cost $314 million, or $16 million, but $170,000 a unit, the US Air Force told Business Insider on Friday. The $170,000 figure makes sense considering a general purpose 1,000-pound MK-83 costs about $12,000. The MOAB simply features more high explosives and larger fins to direct the GPS-guided munition. http://www.businessinsider.com/real-cost-of-moab-mother-of-all-bombs-170-000-2017-4

The basic operational concept bears some similarity to the BLU-82 Daisy Cutter, which was used to clear heavily wooded areas in the Vietnam War and in Iraq to clear mines and later as a psychological weapon against the Iraqi military. After the psychological impact of the BLU-82 on enemy soldiers was witnessed, and no BLU-82 weapons remained, the MOAB was developed partly to continue the ability to intimidate Iraqi soldiers. Pentagon officials had suggested their intention to use MOAB as an anti-personnel weapon, as part of the "shock and awe" strategy integral to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The MOAB is not a penetrator weapon and is primarily intended for soft to medium surface targets covering extended areas and targets in a contained environment such as a deep canyon or within a cave system. However, multiple strikes with lower yield ordnance may be more effective and can be delivered by fighter/bombers such as the F-16 with greater stand-off capability than the C-130 and C-17. However, these strikes would not have the ability to cave terrain such as the tunnel complexes MOAB was used against during the 13 April 2017, strike. High altitude carpet-bombing with much smaller 230-to-910-kilogram (500 to 2,000 lb) bombs delivered via heavy bombers such as the B-52, B-2, or the B-1 is also highly effective at covering large areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_Massive_Ordnance_Air_Blast

When I first heard that the MOAB was used against caves in Afghanistan, I thought that this might be misreported as the MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator), a smaller but heavier 30,000-pound "bunker buster" bomb, designed for destroying deep underground targets.

Plus, the MOP can be dropped by actual bombers such as the B-2 or B-52.
- A B-52 releases a test version of the Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) during a test of the weapon over White Sands Missile Range, N.M. in 2009.

>>103500
>MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator)
There's a joke about your mom's dildo in there somewhere, but it's just not the same without NSWG doing it.

>>103469
> Or you could just learn to shoot your gun.

I dunno. I shot a Taurus .22LR revolver that had a trigger like weaponized arthritis. That goes a bit beyond "Git gud".

>>103357
since you're so capacity limited anyways, I recommend trying to find a s&w model 39-2 (the dash 2 versions will feed hp, I'm told). right around your price range, decent quality, trigger, function, ect. the design has some interesting history as well, first 9mm s&w made, as well as the first 9mm adopted by the seals, to my knowledge.

I second any and all Smith and Wesson 2nd and 3rd generation suggestions. I was bequeathed a late/transitional model 659 years ago that I take out any time a coworker or one of my wife's friends wants to learn to shoot pistols. They're plenty accurate and reliable, and they should be relatively easy to find in your budget. There's also a surplus of 10 round mags for them floating around from the dark-age-ban-years.

What about some Korean love?

Whoops!

DP51? Last I knew these were sub $300. Nutnfancy liked his. I like mine. The "triple action" is pretty neato.

>>102621
Fuck me I want that on my Glock's backplate now.

>>102621
That's perfect.

>>102604

Loss

At least 100 hours in gimp

>>103367
Email sent

>>103367

For chat, there's IRC, either #/k/ or (lol) #operatorchan, there's also a Discord server if that floats your boat:

https://discord.gg/VMZxDBQ

Otherwise, email. Do you have an opchan email address?

>>103380

I think I did have an opchan email address at some point. No idea what my password would be any more, or exactly what the address would be. Probably GOTB or goatbee@

>>103457

I'll check tonight and let you know

>>103458

Looks like you don't

>>103441
Potentially dumb question, but will it attach and line up right if you take out the trigger assembly?

I think what you have there is a 20 gauge stock since in >>103440 it looks a LOT smaller than the original.

Here, while jerking off ahem, looking at what's out there for the 870, I came across this. Look at the size difference between the 20ga receiver and the 12 ga stock.

>>103446
Yep

Looks like the triggerguard is the issue. I'm going to email choate and see what the next step is

So, to get the thread back on topic, and to livejournal it a bit:

Picked up a MkIV 22/45 last week for some cheap plinkiny and practice on the fundamentals. Roommate's gf saw me packing up to go to the range later that day and has been wanting to learn to shoot, so she came along. That range trip ended up being more for her than for me, but it was actually good for me because doing the instruction thing made me slow down and think more about the fundamentals rather than just pewpewing away. I was definitely rusty, as I havent spent much time on the range the past couple years but I started dialing myself in pretty quick. Plus, my friend is a quick study and she did pretty well, although she was suffering from some shooter's fatugue by the end of our time. Only managed to shoot a box of 9mm and one of 22 for myself that day.

Bump to yesterday. I decided to take a class at that range (friend ended up signing up for it too after our range day). It was their 200 level class (which I'd really classify more as a 101 class where their 100 level course is basically just 50 rounds and a "this is this, that is that, this is how you operate the gun, and these are the safety rules), pretty low round count at 150 and just 4 hours including classroom time. But, I figured a class emphasizing the fundamentals would help tune me up a bit for getting more serious as is my intent. Apparently I needn't have bothered, since the instructor was by the end assuming the only reason I was in that class was to do it with my friend (who I'm sure he figured for my girlfriend). Still, working on the basics and doing slow fire one-hole and switching gears drills felt good, and the instructor didn't have much coaching to do for my shooting. As a side note, my friend did really well. I was genuinely impressed at her groupings after just two range sessions. Nearly as good as mine, if slower.

In two weeks I take their "300" level class, which will start me on holster work, reload drills, malfunction drills and what not. After that, I can take their holster qualification test, and if I pass that I can work from the holster whenever I come in to shoot. So even if I don't take any more classes, I have somewhere to train when the weather is too lousy or hunting season is on and the woods aren't an option.

So, more blogging: took the 300 class. Wasn't bad but also wasn't as good as I was hoping. Still, had a good time and took the holster test twice, once for OWB and again for IWB. OWB test I fumbled a reload (grabbed two mags instead of just one, and dropped both when trying to get rid of one to load the other) so I was down 15 points right there. Still passed despite that thanks to otherwise straight and prompt shooting. IWB test (same course of fire and time requirements) went even better. Even drawing from full concealment and on top of the 15 points I muffed on the first test, I improved my score by about 10 more points. Pretty happy with that.

So, I can do holster work at the range noe, either when I'm just shooting from the lanes, or when doing the varios matches they host there, like ASI...

Of which I shot my first on Sunday. First time doing competitive shooting! The range has 3 bays and there were 4 courses of fire. So everyone, about 30 of us, divided into groups and everyone went to a bay. Everyone shoots the course, then moves on to the next bay when the group is done. Then after all the groups have shot their 3, all 3 bays reset for the fourth course. Worked pretty well.

So, I wasn't sure what to expect going in, but since its an every coupla weeks just for fun match, it's mostly casual shooters and CCW people, not serious sponsored shooters or anything. That said, out of my group, I shot the best. Overall I took fifth, with a procedural penalty on one stage (forgot to kneel at one of the shoot boxes, ugh fuck me) that was the difference between being fifth and coming in third. I'm really pretty happy with the outcome. I'm pretty sure the dude who took the overall win was running a racegun and is the sole exception to what I said about no real competition shooters being present.

So, having fun and getting a lot more confident with my Glock 19. Not that I ever really lacked confidence, but I wasn't as happy with where I was at as I am now.

I'm thinking my plan going forward is to shoot an ASI match at least once a month going forward, plus a 150 round range day some other time during the month. That'll get me doing my 200 rounds a month goal, with some time just doing drills as well as some more fun stuff at the matches.

>>103447
Also, on an amusing note, the dude that showed up sporting a tactical lumberjack beard, skinny cut firehose pants (I guess that's a thing now), an apex holster, and started all his course of fires from this weird hunched up tacticool surrender position....Couldn't shoot for shit. Hit 2-3 non threat targets over the course of the night, had 2 procedural penalties, and fairly routinely just outright didn't get his hits. While taking extra long to set up when his turn came up to shoot so he could set up his camera somewhere downrange.

Many hearty (internal) lulz were had.

  >>103448
Good shit man. It's amazing what the induced/artificial stress of a timer and a group of people watching will do for you.

I don't think it was mentioned in this thread, but if you haven't seen Magpul's Art of Dynamic Handgun, it's good. Also the Panteao Productions "Make Ready" videos are pretty good. The one with Jessie whateverherlastnameisnow is worth watching because she's super hot.

>>103451
Thanks!

Yeah, I've got Magpul's handgun downloaded, and I think I have the Panteo Adaptive Handgun with Travis Haley around somewhere too. Honestly though, I think I'm fairly well prepared as far as the weapon manipulation goes, just need to get the reps in. Never hurts to revisit content though.

And yeah, Jessie Whateverthefuck is pretty damn smokin, I'm just not sure I can get past her drawl. Like...it works for some women, it really does. I'm not so sure she's one of them though. But eh, yeah, would hit. Would marry and then subsequently divorce when she started banging her team coach again or whatever.

But yeah, like I think Doomguy said in another thread, a woman who knows her way around a gun with a good level of confidence instantly goes up a point or two on the good ol' 10 scale. There were actually a couple cuties at the ASI match I shot. Potential exists.

>>101858
They are pretty but I can't get past the whole zinc receiver thing. Also loading gate obviously.

>>101861
Wat. Most Henry rifles have brass receivers.

>>101864
I don't know about the centerfires, but I have heard that the rimfires are made of Zamak which is nickel plated then brass plated.

>>101866
Centerfires are usually hardened brass with steel fire control groups. They also have models with steel receivers.

Their budget .22s are made of that Zamak shit, which for a .22 isn't bad. Their more expensive .22s are built like their centerfires.

You won't find a loading gate for the .22s, high chance of deforming the brass while loading. There's a reason they didn't catch on.

>>101866
>brass plated

I hate to be That Guy, and I hate to ask stupid questions, but brass isn't an element of the periodic table and so I have never understood what "brass plating" means. I know people use the term, I know that, for example, Remington uses it on bullets for some of their rimfire ammunition.

Electroplating is normally done with a single chemically pure element that is electrolytically deposited in a thin layer of 99.99999%+ pure metal coming out of solution at the anode. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc and I thought you could only electroplate pure metals.

I seem to recall reading that "brass plated" plumbing fixtures are generally polished, plated with zinc, and coated with shellac with yellow dye in it to make them look like brass, but that seems impractical for things like lead bullets, or a firearm receiver.

I know there are people here who Know Stuff. Tell me what's going on here, pls.

The sharpmaker has a 40 degree and a 30 degree setup. Victorinox says to keep a 15-20 degree angle when sharpening, so I'd go with the 30.

Neither of the stones are particularly aggressive, so if in regrinding it you change the angle, you may want to start with a heavier grit stone. In my experience, the sharpmaker is really just for touching up dulled tools while my heavier grit stones are for restoring them.

https://www.victorinox.com/medias/service-sak-care-tips-pockettools-en-apr2011.pdf?context=bWFzdGVyfHNha3wyMzMyMDd8YXBwbGljYXRpb24vcGRmfGg1Yi9oOGIvODc5ODIzMTM2MzYxNC5wZGZ8Njk5YThkNzExN2VhYjRiZDE5ZmZmY
jgwYWIyZmFkZjI0Y2M3OGYzMGU4ZDA1MjdhZjE3ZDg0ZDM4YThkZjEzMg

the burr must be removed for sharpness. Bevel angle and polish are secondary to having two flat planes terminate cleanly. You can either use finer stones to work the burr off leaving a high polish edge, or strop it to break it off leaving a rougher but still very sharp edge

>>103410
Its worth specifying 30 degrees INCLUSIVE, meaning 15 degrees from center for each edge (so as to not confuse the new guy), which is a nice slicer.

Swiss Army knives use a nice soft steel, theyre almost impossible to not get sharp.
Try slicing some paper, if it bites and tears the paper you got a toothy edge and some burs. In other steels this could be points of uneven carbides but being that the Victorinox has almost none to speak of its almost certainly a burr.
If it slices, but just not really well then your angle is probably too wide and the blade is too thick behind the edge.

As far as "regrinding" you wont be doing any regrinding or re profiling with a sharp maker. Just make sure you're letting the stones do the work and you focus on even strokes at the right angle.

  >>103347
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>>103353
I bought the shirt too. The fact that it works on the Irish sold me.

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>>103355
>all-natural means it's safe to eat
Stopped there.