Just learned that Bond Arms makes .45 ACP barrels. Do they genuinely make good backup pistols? A pocket holster seems like a good way to carry one. Maybe for house carry as a minimalist option. Anyone carry one?

>>108317
I carry an inexpensive American Derringer Corp M-1 .45 Colt/.410x2.5" snake gun when I go on hikes in rattlesnake country or occasionally when I carry concealed. Back in the late '80s in San Jose, California, I was hiking with a friend in the hills and we came upon a large rattlesnake under a thorny bush. We could have just gone around the angry reptile, but my friend pulled out a stainless steel clone of a Remington 1865 Double Derringer Model 95 and fired at the snake. His gun was loaded with .410 shotgun cartridges filled with small birdshot. Worked like a charm! Dead rattlesnake. Remember to carry this in an open holster if you do not have a concealed carry permit.

My ADC Derringer is heavy for it's size (especially when compared to modern pocket pistols) and the single-action hammer is very stiff (especially when compared to single-action revolvers like the Ruger Vaquero). Breaking the barrels open is very stiff as well (especially when compared to other derringers). She only has a half-inch of rifled barrel where the 2.5" shotgun breach stop is. Will also fire the substantial .45 Colt cartridge and the recoil is not as punishing as I thought it would be. Some .410 shotgun cartridges load 3 or 4 000 buckshot or slugs or compact metal discs, but many of these self defense .410 loads are for the 3" cartridges and larger derringers that load them. The round rosewood grips are nice and they fit my hand nicely even though the handle is so small. She has a hammer-blocking safety button (important!) and very rudimentary sights. Back when I bought this, in the early '90s, they were around $100, in I remember right. Now, they are $500! Ludicrous! But they chamber the 3" shotgun cartridges, so you get that.

For conceal carry, the Double Derringer is not bad, but you only have two shots, but those shots are substantial.

For pocket pistols in .45 ACP, there are many to choose from. Glock 36, Colt Defender, Sig Sauer P250 Compact, Kahr CW45, and the expensive Kimber Super Carry Ultra HD.

In the battle of concealed carry firearms with the slimmest profile, the Springfield XD-S has taken the crown. With its 0.9 inch slide width, it has overtaken the KAHR pistol as the concealed carry .45 caliber pistol with the slimmest profile. It comes in 3.3" and 4.0" barrel lengths.
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/top-10-45-caliber-concealed-carry-pistols

  Shooting the Two-Shot 45 ACP/9x19mm Convertible Derringer from DoubleTap Defense.- Gunblast.com https://youtu.be/w6mMinG6RRI

DoubleTap 9mm 45ACP Derringer Type Pocket Gun Overview - Texas Gun Blog https://youtu.be/CcVsD4rKQp4

>>108319
My go to summer carry is my Shield .45. Winter/heavy clothing carry is my Sig P220 DAK. Although the Shield is small, it's not pocket carry small.

>>108256
> While you are correct aren't there rounds that have a track record of achieving one shot stops much more often than others. Like .357 magnum, for example? Isn't it the same for shotguns? Or is it just hearsay?

Now we're not saying energy isn't important, but that it's only one factor. Shotgun energy is on a different order of magnitude. It's got a shitton of mass and some decent velocity.

  Here's a video I did 10 years ago. (Holy fuck.) Notice that not much happens until you get to real rifle rounds and the back gets blown out of the paper. And then the two shots with the Mosin, the first with FMJ just punched a .30 caliber hole. The second round was a soft points blew the fuck out if it.

Same muzzle energy, different effect on target.

>>108235
Speaking of fucked up ballistics...

Franklin Reformation gimmick or useful?
Military Arms Channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jMmIWgA1f8
https://youtu.be/7jMmIWgA1f8?t=1304

Major gimmick. I guess 950fps isn't THAT much slower than the 147 grain RA9Bs I like that tend to push just right at or under 1000fps, but I don't see these +M hollow points (although that's a pretty clever name from a branding perspective) expanding wider, penetrating deeper, fragmenting widely, shattering pelvises or magically exsanguinating bad dudes faster than the RA9Bs that I pay under $.50 a round for. Handguns suck pretty equally. If the expected use case for these is to penetrate deeper for dangerous game or something, I wouldn't choose 9mm to begin with.

We used to use heavy bullets because we were limited by black powder. Then the entire world, with all of its empirical data and real life experiences, transitioned to lighter bullets pushing higher velocities for just about every purpose.

I'm only interested in these as a testing ground for two-piece cartridge casing. That seems neat.

>>108296
Funny how all these weird NFA regulations spawn guns that are tailor-made for massacring civilians and just about useless for anything else.

  It's getting more expensive, lmao.
Still, what a cool looking piece.

  >>103747
Seems like they dropped the whole "field pistol means it's for the military/pmc" thing.

>>108255
>95gr@2050ft/s
>[without the recoil compensation weight system] it would break your wrist every time
Bahahahahahah

>>108255
That's cringey as fuck, though Ian and Karl's bertstare during the introduction was gold. Pity it's not based on a 1911, because I feel like boomers would eat that shit up (if they could afford it).

I know it's silly and the ammo will be very hard to find, and eventually impossible, but it's such a great looking gun that I want one. I don't want one enough to pay for it, but damn.

>>108188
22lr

That's adorable.

I've heard it's a single shot. As sweet as that looks, if it doesn't feed from the magazine I'm a lot less interested. I mean, it doesn't look that hard to hide a CZ455 magazine in the Mosin magazine profile.

>>108197
It looks like a cricket barreled action with sights in a Mosin stock.

>>108201
Yeah, that's a bummer. I was hoping for something like the Norinco TU-KKW CZ clone I had, but in Mosin form.

>>108078
I'd still want to see tests. Buy one, put it in a backpack and fill the backpack with sand. Then shoot it with a powerful handgun and see how it performs. Also, it won't stop rifle rounds, which you will need a ceramic or steel plate for.

At a minimum, tell your kid to turn the backpack to the front during a shooting. Textbooks will do a lot to slow/stop bullets. From experience, 2 inches of phone book will stop a .22lr round. Obviously something like a .50AE will still be lethal, see the woman who got charged with manslaughter for killing her boyfriend after he asked her to shoot him in the chest with a Desert Eagle (while holding a book).

I'm not sure if "Ballistic Level IIIA Lab Tested" actually means anything. Since these are probably meant to be sold off to scared mothers, I'm guessing they used as little kevlar as possible to theoretically get to IIIA level and then skipped on the expensive process of actually getting anything NIJ certified.

They could still work but I'd want to see results for myself.

>>108091
>Don't think I'm trying to dissuade you from this project

Haha, bless your soul man. I'm from a no guns country and have no machinist skills, just a blue collar office guy. Just thought maybe somebody maybe already tried something similar or knows about it.

>>108091
If it were me doing a big bore rolling block, I'd be tempted by building a 10 or 12ga mag/supermag with slugs.

Comparatively much lower pressure and you've still got a big bang with a monster piece of lead going down range. Would be handy for stopping a charging waterbuffalo too.

>>108108
It would be cool to do what this dude is describing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sWnqIspa9o but in rolling block action.

>>108109
I mean, yeah, but effort.

.244 H&H is a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.244_H%26H_Magnum

>>108113
That´s a rifle round though, no? Smooth-bores are interesting in that, as the guy said, they don´t swage the bullet and don´t heat up as much and the length of the bullet not being an issue since you don´t have to figure out the twist rate. You can theoretically go crazy with hard exotic alloys since you don´t have to machine the rifling.

In the US, non-blackpowder smoothbore pistols are typically classified as a 'Any Other Weapon', subject to the rules of the National Firearms Act. Mostly has to do with the ATF considering them as short-barreled shotguns.

Google New England Firearms Handi-Gun, for reference.

>>108081
> Wouldn't smoothbores be a better solution

No. Tanks use smoothbore guns to accommodate the fin stabilized discarding sabot rounds. Rifling works really well to stabilize standard projectiles. I can't recall the name, but there was that company that put out smoothbore ARs with little nerf football shaped bullets.

> since the range at which such pistols are used is minimal

Accuracy is important. In a civilian defensive scenario, the saying goes that "There's a lawsuit attached to every stray round." Also, you don't always get to choose your engagement distance. Think about the police officers responding to the North Hollywood shootout.

> and you'd get the benefit of slightly higher muzzle velocity out of the same barrel length.

Pistols really don't have enough velocity to matter. You're throwing a chunk of lead that will impact a target and make a 9-12 mm hole in meat, probably break bones, and penetrate some light barriers. Really unless you hit something important like the heart, central nervous system, or some big arteries, it may not stop an attacker.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

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>>108085
>Really unless you hit something important like the heart, central nervous system, or some big arteries, it may not stop an attacker.

Sounds like like a fat long round keyholeing would be just the ticket.

Any of you guys heard of "Lancaster barrels"?

  whoa

  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/2bC45tI26io
Would not feed SIG ammo well. Winchester and Speer worked fine.

  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/D4x11YeGLYw

>>105955
Odd. Mine does not seem to care what ammo you use in it, but I really need to pull the slide back all the way very hard.

solomon carter at work in 2015

  colonmon sharter

https://gunowners.co/new-annual-membership
Join or die!

SAF and FPC are solid bets, GOA is a bit problematic.
Donate directly to the NRA-ILA, the main org needs to drop Ack-Mac.

>>108092

>>108038
Huh?

>>108038

*It Ain't Me* plays at half speed and off pitch softly in the background.

>>108034
Yeah I was trying to order from a website I used to have working at a sporting goods store that has a military discount as well. I just need to figure out what is actually legal beagle to have on me. I bought a $20 leatherman kick off of ebay for now since my wife has no idea where my wave is back home. The knife isn't much, but it'll work for now.

>>108036
Sold. Still gay, but I can make that bottom setup work.

>>108038
WTF, over.

>>108038
I like it, would look nice with wood handguards and a wood stock.

>>108038
DAT, CamoCowboy and I ended up doing this.

It's so fucking weird but stupid maneuverable