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102941 No. 102941 ID: aadd02 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
How do you shoot them? Went to a gun show with my father-in-law yesterday (I thought he was nogunz for life because of a DV misdemeanor conviction years ago. Turns out, he had a misdemeanor for violating the restraining order, but the original DV charge was dropped). We looked at some options for home defense, decided to sleep on it, and he wants to go back today to pick up a pistol grip Mossberg like the one shown here, impressed as he was by its compactness and maneuverability (and price).

I've always been curious. How the fuck do you properly hold these things?
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>> No. 102987 ID: f01968
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No! Not until you delete that junked thread!
>> No. 102988 ID: b70387
We lost a bunch of images in older threads due to a software fuck-up awhile ago, though it looks like most of those have been pushed off the end of the board already. Stoplossed's ancient M1 Garand improvement thread, >>90456, still shows the effect, but that's no reason to delete the whole thing.
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I went and deleted that whole thread myself. About half of the images were unviewable.
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Anyone tried a shotgun suppressor?
- US Remington 870 MCS AOW shotgun with a Salvo suppressor.
>> No. 103018 ID: 974c52
You meant to type the feds shoot your dog, kids, and wife.

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99456 No. 99456 ID: 86d09e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
As you no doubt have heard, Ruger launched the Ruger MkIV a few days ago. It greatly simplified takedown/reassembly and improved the trigger a bit. It comes at a cost though, as accessories like triggers etc are not compatible with older versions.

But listening around, I hear a lot of people that say they like the others better. Why is that? We all know takedown/assembly was a huge pain in the dick, so why would you just disregard that?
It's not even people saying they won't buy a new one because they own an older one. It's people flat out saying that even if they didn't own one that they wouldn't buy it.
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>> No. 102571 ID: 084932

A 70's era suppressed MkI would probably mean an AWC Amphibian... at least that's what I'm translating that as.

New ones on MkIII frames are around $1500+, originals would probably be in the same territory as a High Standard HDM if you have to ask...
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A Ruger Mark IV with an integral suppressor from TBA Suppressors.
>> No. 102913 ID: 53b636
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>> No. 102915 ID: a651e7
>using the mag baseplate as suppressor tool

Smart and handsome, I am quite jelly.

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102722 No. 102722 ID: 1519ac hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Hey WarPlanRed, could you post some pictures of your lr-300esque build? Specifically the gas key, recoil spring setup, and bolt carrier? I stupidly didn't save them when you first posted them. Thanks bro.
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>> No. 102882 ID: 19518e
lol. We didn't do that sort of thing really, but I did see a student really fuck up his math for feed/speed when trying to skim off like 0.025" with a 4" facemill that had 4 carbide inserts.

At max RPM on the bridgeport.

Tool and everything was ok, because like six feet of sparks that shot out across the room so the student quickly realized his oops. I do miss school sometimes.
>> No. 102899 ID: 8c968b
Are gun drills expensive? They're simple. Just carbide brazed on to a shaft. No real fancy geometry to them either. Sharpened a bunch of them when I was in tool grind department for training. Though I guess the bigger problem is that they require through coolant to evacuate chips and fast feed.
>> No. 102901 ID: 6057a8
From what I've been able to see up here, I would be looking at around $100 beaver yen for a gun drill. With the lack of coolant options available for a babby ulong-dingdong Chinese """"metal"""" lathe, I'm pretty sure going with a normal drill type was more or less the sensible option. Even if I had found a cheaper gun drill, say from the flea-bay or something, it's possible that I would have not been able to use it without breaking it with current equipment on hand; at least the regular HSS stuff has some give for operator or machine shortcomings.

In the future I'll definitely be looking at better tooling for this sort of thing, or even subbing it out depending of the situation/part count required.
>> No. 102910 ID: 8c968b
I can currently access the training shop at my work whenever (though I have to sneak it in between other projects) and I can definitely do anything I want if I am willing to come in on a Saturday if you have something you want to sub contract out. Can't be obviously "gun" though (though one dude completed his 80% there. I feel like he was playing with fire and I don't like to edge that close to rules).
>> No. 102911 ID: 6057a8
>you have something you want to sub contract out
Thanks for giving me that option, but just thinking about cancuck-USA shipping stuff makes me want to staple my genitals to a wall because the latter would be easier, cheaper, and less painful.

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102852 No. 102852 ID: a659a1 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
I'm wanting to branch out and try some new guns. I primarily use my full size guns for competition (which is not to say that I'm a great shooter, just that's the bulk of my shooting). I'd like to check out a lot of different striker fired options.

Here's my question, for a person who's just exploring the options is it worth it to buy the long slide/competition models? If I fall in love with a gun a keep it, then it would be Buy Once Cry once. But if I don't, then I'll have paid more for a gun I'll probably just end up selling anyways. And for most of the guns (except the Steyr L9-A1) the longslide version is usually $100+/- more expensive.

So for an average guy try exploring the striker fired world without getting divorced, should I skip the longslides or not?
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I'm not a comp shooter, but personally, I find that for marksmanship, the longer the better, pic related is my striker fired long barrel.

Even for CC, it doesn't matter so long as its under, eh 4.5 inches? For 6 oclock, my biggest concern is just not having it be long enough that it interferes with sitting (sitting on the barrel or pistol rises up because barrel is supported by seat). But I digress.

Guns arent terribly expensive and you're probably going to spend about $600 or so maybe for a gun, and it'll maintain its resell value fairly well (especially if you buy used). If you stick to buying used, you may end up actually not paying more than a new standard size, and I don't think it would necessarily hurt to have a small collection of different guns, even if you didn't fall in love with the first one, it might still not suck for trying different sights or just something different every once in a while.

Plus, longslides are sexy. My vote is go for it.
>> No. 102854 ID: 5de6c9
The main advantage a longslide gives you is the longer sight radius. Like most things, how much of an advantage that actually provides you depends largely on...well, you.

A slightly more objective benefit is the increased mass will help reduce recoil slightly and get you back on target that much faster.

Plus there was that vid of the competition dude who could reliably rack his Glock 34 one handed using only the inertia generated on the slide by holding the damn thing normal and yanking straight back towards himself and then pushing it away from himself again. Was supposedly done with a stock pistol.
>> No. 102896 ID: 6b2b62
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The 34 slide weighs the same as a Glock 17 because they cut out metal from the top. Pic related.

OP: I am a competition shooter and own all length of 9mm Glocks other than the 17L. The difference between the G17 and G34 is minimal for close shooting. In fact, I was just on the range last week with a timer and I could barely get a detectable difference between them for a simple 7 yard draw and shot 2 on 2 targets. The only difference between the guns is front sight. I think there might be a slight difference at longer distances, but not enough that you will really notice.

If you are trying to pinch pennies, get a G17. If you get a G34, you won't regret it either and should have no problem selling it.

To take this topic to the extreme, I occasionally shoot my G26 in USPSA for the lulz and really have no issues or significant drop in standings with that either. I love that little gun though, the shape of the grip fits perfectly in my hand. So don't worry about fractions of an inch when several inches don't matter.
>> No. 102900 ID: fb893e
I'm a fan of 'longslide' models for the better balance and longer sight radius, but you're unlikely to tell the difference unless you shoot them back to back.

Speaking of comparing them, have you tried the various striker fired pistols on the range? Some pistols are softer shooting than others, so you might find a smaller Glock 19 or H&K VP9 nicer shooting than even a long slide Walther PPQ. That would make a 4.5" barrel G17 or an S&W M&P 2.0 5" much nicer to shoot in comparison.

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  Impressive, even for a company/museum. Known anyone that could do better?
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Considering how many he has, I doubt he gets the ammo to shoot from his exhibits.

Also, if you have both MG34 & MG42, wouldn't you shoot the former a lot more often? Better trigger, single/auto, higher overall quality,...
>> No. 102833 ID: 0876ee
You know, I was reading on swissrifles earlier, apparently one guy owns somewhere between 10-25% of the 550s and civ import 551s in the US.

And now this.

Theres an old guy who used to do central california shows that basically bought all the milsurp when it was super cheap back in the day, and he used to fund his retirement slowly selling it off. He literally bought two barrels of Turk mausers for $100 when they first hit the markets in the 60s, and so he'd have a few of those, a couple enfields, a 1903, and so on. He had the best 3-4 tables of the show and he'd give you a deal if you spent over a thousand or so, or if he got to recognize you.

Private party C&R long arms were banned in CA since and I think he basically stopped shortly after that.

I wanted to buy a nice bringback K98 from him years ago when I was still in college, but was $200 short of his lowest negotiating price. I tried getting my mom on the phone to lend me the money, but when she found out what it was for, she said no because I had too many guns as it was. When I told him I'd have to pass over it for that reason, he asked how many I had. About 8 or so. He laughed and said his wife told him the same thing when he hit that much, only with 2 zeros at the end of that. He let me walk out with that rifle with the promise to pay him back once I had the cash.

I like to imagine there's a lot of these old guys that saw "Crate of SVT-38s for $25? Sure why not" that will eventually reenter the market once they realize they can't take them into the afterlife and start bringing them to gun shows (and hopefully not RIA or their kids turning in for gun buyback giftcards)
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>this guy's heirs turning in functional MG42s and ma deuces for $25 Starbucks giftcards

Stop it friend. My mind does not even want to go there.
>> No. 102891 ID: b430d1

potentially good photo ruined by the unnecessary inclusion of a worthless, ugly & ignorant background prop
>> No. 102893 ID: 8c968b
Do you mean "bipod"?

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102355 No. 102355 ID: d97441 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Sci-fi future 1911. I think it looks pretty neat, but with a MSRP of $1,147 and it being a brand new company, I don't see myself getting one any time soon.
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>> No. 102747 ID: 1519ac
I really don't understand why people are so optimistic about the HPA. Look, I'd love it if it passed, and don't let me discourage you from contacting your reps/pushing for it, but I don't see it happening. Do people really think that the majority of republican politicians are in favor of taking things off the NFA?
>> No. 102748 ID: 6ca38e
A lot of my optimism admittedly comes from my desire to see it passed. But, objectively, as far as firearm legislation goes, the performance of the HPA in the past year has been stellar, picking up more cosponsors, faster, than pretty much any pro-gun bill in recent history.

Add in to the fact that the ATF has said outright that they won't fight against the HPA and indeed the recent white paper that was "leaked" indicates that there are strong feelings from inside the ATF about taking them off the NFA on their own. Of course, the white paper isn't policy, and obviously those feelings aren't universal. But it's good news all the same.

On the financial side, I'm not sure how much money is actually generated by the tax stamps or where exactly it goes, but in total I can't imagine it being a significant amount as far as the US Government is concerned. Millions to be sure, but against a budget measured in the hundreds of trillions (on which we don't seem to give a shit about being in the red every year as it is).

Plus...Trump Jr is all about the quiet pew pews and is close to some industry people. Trump himself also proclaimed himself to be adamantly pro 2A during the elections and it's an opportunity to prove that such proclamations were more than just lip service.

I think, all considered, the conditions simply all line up really well for the bill getting passed. Maybe I'm wrong in the way I've read things, but I'm hopeful and mostly confident that I'm right.
>> No. 102749 ID: b70387
It doesn't hurt them to be cautious in this situation. If/when the HPA passes, they can ramp up production to meet demand, and any advantage that some other company might have by already having a large inventory of suppressors would be a temporary thing. Ramping up production now could put them well into debt, which would be especially hard to pay off if the HPA doesn't pass, or even passes a year or two after they might expect. If it doesn't pass, they now have a bunch of possibly specialized equipment that they need to sell, possibly at a significant loss. If it does pass, but they overestimate the new demand for suppressors, the same applies, to a somewhat lesser extent.

We've seen similar decisions made by ammunition manufacturers during the panic buying episodes. They don't add more equipment to bring up capacity, because the panic-buying doesn't reflect a long-term trend. They need to be able to feel out any long-term trend before they do anything, or they risk screwing themselves over.

>any pro-gun bill in recent history
What other pro-gun bills have there been at the federal level in recent history?
>> No. 102830 ID: 9a106b

>What other pro-gun bills have there been at the federal level in recent history?

Nothing major like reclassifying stuff, but

for great ironies.
>> No. 102831 ID: 6ca38e
Oh hey I was posting in this thread.

Mainly the carry reciprocity bills that have been pretty much non-starters is what I was thinking of. 2, 3 times during Obama's term it came up and died it committee?

The HPA picked up 7 cosponsors last week, and twice that the week before. To compare, the CCW Reciprocity bill in 2013 averaged between 1 and 2 a week for most of its span.

Granted, picking up cosponsors is not a perfect indicator on how a bill will perform in committee and at votes, but it's kinda all we have to really go on until voting happens.

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102811 No. 102811 ID: ae1f02 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Are these any good gunstores near Albany fellow NY operaotrs? I'll be spending a few days down there and I'd like to stop by.
>> No. 102812 ID: 632b3e
There really aren't. My experience with NYS gun stores was mostly terrible. You can see if Jim's Guns on Rte 30 between Amsterdam and Broadalbin is still open, but that dude is almost certainly dead by now. He was at least funny if a complete fudd.
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>> No. 102819 ID: 957e9b
Dude you need to move out of NY.

Seriously. Like move to NH if you want to stay in the cold or to south western VA. Both are far more gun friendly on their bad days than NYS on its best.

If you insist on staying I would suggest getting a C&R, gunbrokering it up, and just avoid the gun shops as much as possible.
>> No. 102820 ID: 632b3e

I don't think a C&R would even help in the US if you tried to get anything remotely good.
>> No. 102821 ID: 632b3e
*in NYS

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>> No. 102780 ID: 957e9b
It bothers me sooooooo much when people have to TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE AN OEF (or OIF) VETERAN...
>> No. 102781 ID: fb893e
>>102752 >>102756 >>102764 >>102765 >>102766 >>102767 >>102769

I dig the A E S T H E T I C, but that can't be all that reliable. Does someone make and sell these, or are they a gun hipster art project?
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Just another way to get shit into your mag and potentially your chamber.

Now here's how you modify a mag
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Barfcom guide on how to do it:

If it works on a PMAG it would work on most polymer AK mags I would think.
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96901 No. 96901 ID: 52ed6e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Been a while since the last one.

>I have a SKS that has a shortened barrel. It is currently legal again for anyone to own. I am looking to trade or sell it.

>Will trade for:
>Trade's I'm interested in:
>Ruger pistols 9,40,45,357
>XD pistols 9,40,45
>S&W pistols 9,40,45,357
>357 revolvers with at least 4-6 inch barrel
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>Stainless Steel Mini 14, good shooting gun I got it on trade and I relize I don't have any use for it, and I'm not realy "into" tactical rifles, and I would rather have something else
>oh, and by the way, it's got an "ACOG" on it
>pre-2008 stainless Ranch Rifle
>with cheapass plastic folding "tactical" stock
>and the obligatory Chinese plastic bipod
>thousand bucks
>and it's a Ranch Rifle
>but I put one of those godawful Chinese sideplate scope mounts on it anyway
>and I stacked adapters on top of adapters to put this optic on top that I am choosing to call an "ACOG"

Is anyone taking any bets on whether that "ACOG" is the real deal from Trijicon, or a $10 airsoft toy optic that he bought on eBay?

Also, the sight axis of that scope has to be, what, 5"? 6?" above the rifle's bore axis. You're gonna need a taller cheekrest.

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"I have an older romak 991 with bakelite grip and wood furniture. Serial # dates 1999. I know these were cheaper before but they are rare now. Converted to double stack whoever had it didn't do such a great job the mags fit funny but it functions 100% . front sight is also canted to the right some. No lowballs. Aks aren't 400$ anymore. Will accept some trades"

All I can say is "wew lad."
>> No. 102754 ID: 52ed6e
In 1999, weren't they still importing factory doublestack AKs?
>> No. 102773 ID: 236bd6
AWB went into effect in '94, so I doubt it?
>> No. 102776 ID: 52ed6e
The doublestack magazine gimmick had nothing to do with the AWB.

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98560 No. 98560 ID: 98c1a2 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
Slender auto-nugget thread.

My feelings for this rifle grow fonder with time. It's such a light rifle, the recoil is practically nothing, even the stock angle helps keep it flat. For a Russian rifle, my example has a very nice trigger. The magazine release requires no effort to actuate, having a long tab that can be accessed with gloves. The magazine well is shaped generously, and the tab for the rock-in magazine is placed in a way to reduce chances of missing the recess and mag-locking; I don't even think it's possible.

It isn't perfect, but it is by far my favorite slav rifle of that particular era.
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How will you call your creation? SVTS-40?
>> No. 102740 ID: 356ff6
People on /k/inder are going nuts.
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Eh, they get angry an pretty much anything for any reason.

"SKT-40" for Samozaryadnaya (Samozaryadnyj? I don't into Russian at all) Karabin Tokareva, perhaps?
>> No. 102743 ID: 813f6b
>"SKT-40" for Samozaryadnaya (Samozaryadnyj? I don't into Russian at all) Karabin Tokareva, perhaps?

But the SKT40 officially existed and didn't look like your take on it.
Since there's an SVDS, SVTS might be better? :)


That's a whole lot of butthurt about a non-unique firearm. I'm just happy someone did something with skill & forethought rather than just chop bits off.
>> No. 102744 ID: 19518e
I saw the "field cuts" discussed in German, but I guess I derp'd and didn't notice they were called that officially.

Honestly I don't know, I'm terrible at naming shit. SVTS should be fine.

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