>>105937
>Also considering the kind of shotgun I don't anticipate putting as many rounds down range as my more conventional shotguns.
>as many

Looking at how it's a bird's head versus a much more comfortable pistol-type grip I can understand that.

>>105938
I actually prefer the birdshead grip to a standard pistol grip only set up.

>>105939
I see quite a lot of people sharing your view, but none of them seem to enjoy shooting buckshot, slugs, and more with bird's head.

I don't like bird's head, but I routinely shoot boxes and boxes of slugs, buckshot, turkey magnums using pistol grips. So I can't say I understand the bird's head thing very much... Only the most horrendous 3" 2oz turkey maximum-load ever got a sting in the hands, as much as I can tolerate a box of those, I can't imagine shooting even one with a bird's head grip. The way I see it, pistol grip is pretty much like palm-striking a punching bag, it's incredibly strong at taking impacts.

Might be gripping technique. Might just be hand differences, the shape of a grip from one hand to another probably magnifies the physical differences between people exponentially as recoil energy increases. Might also be a combination of the two. Perhaps further testing is required any excuse to fire ye olde handgonnes. I'll have to track down a bird's head grip though...

>>105940
The birdshead, for me, seems to distribute the recoil throughout my hand, wrist, and forearm, vs a PGO set up where it seems all the recoil is absorbed by the web of my hand and my wrist.

That's just how it feels to me. But yeah, it still leaves you sore to shoot 70 high brass 00 loads in 45 minutes lol.

>>105942
I was about to write stuff about grip technique but fucking shit ammo up here is stupid expensive, literally nothing under a buck fifty per shell. Who cares about grips when it's the wallet that cries mercy before the hands.

When I track down some shotguns with burbface grips or PGO I'll save up my pennies (all of them) and have a good day making the berms noticeably heavier. It might be a while but I'll probably post the results in this thread.

>>105919
Sorry. The picture is confusing. The thread is on the front gas tube, and a little collar thing. That way, I can screw the collar down to shorten the length of the tube for removal. The inside of the collar that mates with the block is chamfered and will have a matching chamfer on the block for centering the tube to the block. Thinking about this a second time though, makes me think this may be a flawed plan, since carbon would be let into the threads. And as I know from my zig zag brake, it can build up significantly.

The front will be a lot of machining. I pretty much accept that. I could have started with a raw forging that some US company made (or I guess just buy a made front sight gas block combo and make it work) but my autisms requires the proper muzzle threads and the proper look etc.

Yeah, I'm sure it will take a lot of work tuning. I know the forealz version has a long narrow weight with a rack cut into it, and a rack cut into the bolt carrier/piston and a tiny gear that ensures both recoil the same amount and the same speed. That sounds super hard though. Since it would require a lot of modification to the existing BCG design.

>>105921
>since carbon would be let into the threads. And as I know from my zig zag brake, it can build up significantly.
I see it now, and I think if you have a vent hole before the threads, it should keep the threads from being exposed to too much high pressure dirty gas.

>tuning
>original AEK
Yep, all that stuff in the AEK in the counter-recoil mass totals, I assume, to an equal mass as the total reciprocating mass in the action. It doesn't look like you'll be able to cram like half a pound in that counter-recoil mass, so you'll have to make it go faster to compensate, but that might make it feel funny.

You could set up a compound spring for the counter-recoil mass, and try to tune spring weights and port size while keeping counter-recoil mass constant, because you're not going to be putting that much weight into the counter recoil in the first place so I'd put in as much as I could and work on the other variables. You could probably straight up grab an old broken endmill shank that's the right size and use that as a counter-recoil mass, tungsten carbide is heavy and wouldn't get all play-dough inside a gun like a mass made entirely out of lead.

>>105918
>I was thinking about making an AEK style counterweight system for my 74 kit that I haven't gotten around to finishing.

Is there even any point to this (outside being mechanically interesting of course) if the rifle isn't full auto?

>>105923
Counter-recoil is a way to reduce the recoil impulse by cancelling out the recoil caused by the reciprocating mass driven by gas. Normally competition shooters (and other kinds too but you know what I'm saying) will do this by simply reducing the mass of the reciprocating components and messing with cycling speed to try and retain reliability. Counter-recoil isn't my personal glass of spiders because it increases the total mass of the firearm, but it is a cool concept.

Obviously it doesn't change the recoil caused by the bullet and gas exiting the barrel, but that should go without saying. It's all about the other extra bumps and tugs when the clockwork is flopping about getting old cans out and new bottles in.

>>105923
For me, it's just a machining exercise, and to make a gun have a reason to exist in my collection, since I have an AK74 already (with the triangle folder, unlike this kit, which is a fixed stock one).

Or just an 8lbs shotgun with a 3.5" chamber.

A few manufacturers make 2 1/4oz turkey loads (984 grains) at 1200ft/s.

Might not look like too much is going on due to my personal enjoyment of such situations, but this does net 70.8ft-lbs at 23.9 ft/s. I've fired more of this ammo than I like to admit.

To compare, a .458 Win Mag from a 9 lbs rifle sending a 500gr bullet at 2100ft/s provides 62.3 ft-lbs at 21.1ft/s of delicious recoil. Close enough for the raifus I go out with.

>>105885
Well, I do have a Vepr 12. It's one of my favorite things to take out to the range

Here's me showing a monumental display of accuracy (none) with some 00 buck.

>>105897
It's probably thanks to the muzzle brake, but I still think .300 Savage out of the R81 is still more uncomfortable than the Vepr

>>105448
>>105449
>>105450
>>105451
Huh. I had no idea it does that. I think I prefer the Chiappa Rhino's rigidity.

>>105897
>>105899
I bet the muzzle brake helps soften up the Vepr recoil. I went with a 1919 because the stock is in-line with the barrel, you can see here how the muzzle stays relatively tame despite the bare muzzle. It's pretty fun to see those slugs race out past 40 yards too, lookatemgo.

Ignore the xbox scope, it's all I had after the QD mount was kill when recoil made it shit its guts out from under an Aimpoint.

.32ACP pistols tend to be simple blowback operated. Overloading little pot metal pistols may cause the runaway slide to kick some of your teeth in as it goes flying off to freedom.

Given their track record with their .380 pocket pistols, I'd pass on anything Diamondback. That being said, we sold their AR pistols like hotcakes cause their price point was so affordable.

Why not a PSA .308 build?

Didn't know Diamondback is no longer owned by Taurus.
http://www.diamondbackforum.com/index.php?topic=3914.0

>>105849
...because I essentially traded a rifle for a rifle, and this was the closest in value to my used shit, while still the same caliber.

Neat! Thanks for sharing.

My dude, you should have dropped me a line, beers etc.

I wonder if British armed LEOs still only load 5 rounds into their rifles and subguns. That used to be a thing, at least IIRC.

>>105837
Years ago, some people were questioning this and some replied that they are looking at transparent HK G36 assault rifle mags (or long steel magazines with windows cut in them to view how many rounds you have). The bottom part of a loaded magazine is filled with the follower and compressed spring, so you don't see the shiny brass cartridges filling the entire length of the magazine, but this is normal.

The British cops that get called in when police officers are being shot at (with proper guns, not balmy Airsoft toys) are the Counter Terrorist Specialist Firearms Officers (CTSFO) or the Trojans, the Metropolitan Police's armed response units.

Here are some CTSFO with some M16 mags that suspiciously look short a few rounds...

Here's an interesting read on policing tactics and philosophies in the UK compared to the US:
I Was A Cop In A Country With No Guns: 6 Startling Truths
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2353-i-was-cop-in-country-with-no-guns-6-startling-truths.html

  EvikeTV - The Evike Custom "Optic Thunder" M4 https://youtu.be/An-nMlDeApI
Twenty pounds of accessories boosts this M4gery to a $10,000 Airsoft monstrosity.

  Classic Army M132 Micro Gun - [The Gun Corner] - Airsoft Evike.com https://youtu.be/VLSQiTo95xc
https://www.evike.com/products/71996/
$700 for a toy BB minigun
Heavy duty nylon fiber reinforced polymer construction
Incredibly light weight (9lbs)
Can be powered by HPA rig or by directly inserting an entire green gas canister into the weapon
Incredible 38 rounds per second fire rate out of the box (48 round per second upgrade motor coming soon)
Individually adjustable hopups for each barrel; compatible with standard AEG barrels, hopups, and buckings
Spring loaded magazine (2200 round capacity) force feeds into hopper for positive feeding in any orientation of the weapon
Electric motor driven 4 rotating barrels
Joystick style trigger w/ grip safety
It is finally here, the moment we have all been dreaming about and waiting for. Never before done in the history of Airsoft, a fully functional Minigun style heavy weapon for under one thousand dollars.
New from Classic Army, the M132 Micro Gun brings the pain right out of the box; crush the opposing team with an impressive 38 rounds per second (2280 rounds per minute).
Powered by an electric motor for its 4 rotating barrels, and HPA / gas for propulsion, this weapons devastating effectiveness will have you grinning ear to ear as you properly demonstrate the noun "Overkill."
Unlike previous iterations of the Minigun, the M132 is actually viable to be fielded as its smaller size and incredibly light weight (9lbs unloaded) does not encumber its wielder.

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  Or you can make a reproduction of the old hand-cranked Gatling Guns. I have seen 1/4 scale models that fire .22 LR and full-sized ones that fire .45/70 Govt.
Reproduction 1877 "Bulldog" Gatling Gun https://youtu.be/ildteJbZ9Jw
Thanks to a friendly collector, we had the chance to take out one of the new, gorgeous reproduction 1877 Gatling guns being sold by Colt. It's a near-exact replica, with the added feature of being able to crank backwards to safely clear any loaded cartridges out of the action. Being a Bulldog model, it has 5 short barrels (18.25") chambered for .45-70, enclosed in a full brass jacket to keep the action clean. Colt claims it will do 800 rounds/minute, but we got it going a bit faster...

Thanks to an interesting quirk of US gun laws, the Gatling is not considered a machine gun - so anyone who can possess a bolt action rifle can own and shoot one of these. The crank handle is considered a trigger, and each partial turn fires a single round. Since a single discrete motion doesn't fire multiple rounds, it's not subject to the registration and transfer tax of a machine gun under the NFA.

  M134 Minigun: The Modern Gatling Gun https://youtu.be/rIlwHT4IdRc
The General Electric M134 "Minigun" is essentially an electrically-powered Gatling gun - the conceptual operation of the gun is identical to Dr. Gatling's original creation. What has changed, however, is the chambering (it's in 7.62 NATO), the power source (an electric motor), and the feed mechanism (belt-feed using M60 links instead of the Gatling's Accles, Broadwell, or Bruce feeds). The weapon was a scaled down version of a 20mm rotary powered cannon devised for aircraft armament after WW2, hence the "mini" name. It was used primarily as helicopter armament, although it has found its way only ground vehicles as well. Firing between 3000 and 6000 rounds per minute, the Minigun is ideal for aerial engagements where the gunner only has a brief moment on target and needs to fire as much as possible during that moment.

It is a truly awe-inspiring weapon, and quite an experience to fire! In addition to destroying a truck with it, we will look at disassembly and functioning of the minigun - the delinking mechanism is really the most complex part of the weapon, and a very interesting device.

  Slow Motion: M134 Minigun https://youtu.be/XeyVrLK03mc

Dumb. Stupid. Pointless. I want two.

>>105710
>any handgun
Ehhh...

It's awesome on a single action 'cause you can let the recoil slip the gun up so the hammer's right there for re-cocking. I don't really think that's really super cool for anything that's not a single action revolver, but hey whatever floats your boat.

>>105708
Some people love 'em, some hate 'em, and others think they're OK. You can put plenty of different grips on the old Peacemaker.
- US Colt SAA Bisley in .38 WCF restored by the Turnbull Manufacturing Company.

The Bisley model has a sharper angled grip, curving further forward.

I did not think that birdshead grips would be comfortable, but I like them when I tried them.
- A US Colt 1851 conversion with birdshead grips.
http://www.operatorchan.org/k/res/100826.html#101123

>>105714
Feels better than a standard grip imho.