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102667 No. 102667 ID: fa24f6 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I really want one of the new savage msr 15 recons. The specs look amazing for the price 223 wylde, melonite oating, 1in8 twist that will shoot cheap ammo well, blackhawk blaze Nile stage, freefloat monolithic handguard, flip up sights included, and buds has them in stock for 750. I know the bottom of the gun market is about to fall out but I want to sell some of my stuff and a gun to buy one of these.
Anyone else have thoughts on these?
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>> No. 102671 ID: bd9939
Like most savage products, they are junky and clunky. Carry them, have yet to sell one.

I would personally look into an Aero Precision that has a bolt and carrier made of proper materials with better QC testing in that price range.

http://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/oem-mid-length-16-rifle-w-25-gift-card-prod81838.aspx

Think there's a $30 off with free shipping coupon for a couple days on that one.

I only cracked open one Savage but it lacked any HP or MP markings.
>> No. 102673 ID: 804d8c
>>102670
I would have to agree with your statement on Hughes repeal.
even if it does get repealed it is no guarantee that prices will drop.
if anything the conversion parts will go up in price and the cost of doing those conversion will increase also.
>> No. 102675 ID: 1519ac
>>102673
I mean, if it did get repealed then the prices would drop because there'd no longer be an artificial scarcity. People could crank out DIASs and lightning links very cheaply even if the bigger manufacturers didn't want to sell for some reason. That's all moot though since it won't happen.
>> No. 102682 ID: c06863
>>102671
I sold them too. I'm not expecting a Daniel defense level of quality. I want something light, and accurate enough. Ihave two other ars already. I know savages feel chintzy but I've seen how accurate they are. If someone offered me a savage model 10' for my rem 700 I'd take it in an instant
>> No. 102684 ID: 791f24
>>102673
>I would have to agree with your statement on Hughes repeal.

I don't, there are a few pro-gun democrats in the Senate. I see real reform on weapons laws as more possible than repealing Obama or any of the tax and labor stuff that Paul Ryan is pushing. Democrats will line up for filibusters on a lot of topics, but on guns they might not have enough people.


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102674 No. 102674 ID: d094dd hide watch quickreply [Reply]
What kind of magazine is this? It's from a documentary on Philippine rebels.
>> No. 102676 ID: 9dcda2
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102676
>>102674
Obviously.
>> No. 102678 ID: d4c8ee
  Something similar:
>This Magazin is Man made using 3pcs. 30 rounds Magazin and it is good for firing doesn't encounter any failed when it comes to firing... it can handle 90 bullets.... We can call it as MORO MADE Magazin...

So presumably that's a 60 round version.
>> No. 102680 ID: 0876ee
>>102674
7.62x39. I've seen identical J shaped mags for x39 ARs from the vietnam era, I think newer x39 mags have less of a kink. I think the capacity is 30, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 40 or 45.
>> No. 102686 ID: 52ed6e
>>102680
Nope. See >>102678


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102633 No. 102633 ID: 6abc78 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
How can I tell if this is an authentic colt moderator without firing it?
>> No. 102639 ID: 701886
Get a dog. Bring both the item in question and the dog home with you. If dog is still alive in the morning, item in question is not an authentic Colt moderator.
>> No. 102643 ID: d0eba1
>>102639

*sigh*
>> No. 102645 ID: c3b8cf
Looks too long to be a actual moderator.
I have a repro Innovative Industries moderator, and it is shorter than what is in your pic.
>> No. 102657 ID: c3b8cf
Also, pictures of Colt's blueprints for the moderator are online. Saw them in a barfcom thread.

But yes, the moderator I have makes my 10.5 inch AR sound like a 20" barrel in full suto. Helps when I shoot at an indoor range.
>> No. 102677 ID: 9dcda2
>>102639
>>102643

I lol'ed.


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102648 No. 102648 ID: 149a9d hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
It appears the HK433 is a cheaper alternative to the HK416 because the latter is too expensive for the german military budget.

The handguard appears to be an evolution of their HK416A5 handguard. The rifle seems a tiny bit Masada inspired but different enough to have a distinct feel. Especially the non reciprocating charging handle has a clear HK feel to it, as does the selector lever.
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102656
>>102653

Higher res
>> No. 102658 ID: b70387
This looks to have an aluminum upper receiver, so it probably won't have the same wandering zero issues as the G36. Gotta love the German government though. How many times has HK dicked them over, now? And they don't look for rifles from anyone else.

Does the bottom of the magwell have the same angle as that on AR-15s, or is it somewhat more horizontal?

>>102655
I'd bet that this works the same as the SCAR, in that rifles with any barrel length get the same length of handguard, whereas the longer-barreled 416s get a somewhat longer (bulky as shit) handguard. Do different 416s have different lengths of pistons, for that matter?

Relatedly, here we have another modern rifle with ease of modification prioritized over getting the off hand far forward on the handguard. Honestly, how useful is it really to easily change barrel lengths in a military context? Will soldiers be swapping out barrels for every mission, based on what they think they're going to be doing? How much of a pain in the ass would that be for logistics?
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102659
>>102652
> People complained about the SCAR "boot" stock.

I like my SCAR boot stock. It's really great for shooting backwards with a mirror from the top of shoul... what the fuck...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/03/training-analysis-saudi-arabia/

>>102648
Looks badass. Any word on the materials? When they say "less expensive" that usually means plastic... and that didn't go so well for the previous rifle.
>> No. 102661 ID: fb893e
>>102659
Good lord, those guys look like an FN commerical aimed at the Gulf States rather than a military.

>>102656
I like the forward charging handle location, the modular lower handguard, and the multiple built in sling swivels. Looks fairly well thought out, though knowing H&K it will be lolmoney.
>> No. 102662 ID: b217ed
>>102659
>Trust no one, not even yourself
>"Ah ah ah, I see you, you son of a goat."


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101876 No. 101876 ID: 1e7323 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I've decided it's time to build a precision rifle and start building up a better technical understand of long range shooting. I'm working my way through TiborasaurusRex's series if anyone else is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn

In my part of the country, there are no ranges over 300 yards in any reasonable driving distance, but I'd still like to invest long term for if/when I move for a rifle 1-2 MOA at 600+ yards. I don't (currently) rifle hunt, so this is purely a long range target project. I'm relatively new to the precision field so I'd like some sanity check on my choices. Budget is flexible here but I'd like to stay in the neighborhood of $750-1000.

Caliber: .308 / 7.62x51
It seems to have acceptable BC and kinetic energy at 1000 yards. Frankly I'm most interested in ammo availability. I don't reload yet so being able to find match grade locally is a good bonus. If anyone has a preferred match brand, I'd like to hear it.

Rifle: Savage Model 10T
I've really liked the AccuTrigger and seems a popular base for "budget" long range builds. The version with detachable magazines is $100 more but does not seem particularly important to me. A threaded barrel would be more interesting if I had access to private land to shoot with a suppressor, but since I can only shoot at public ranges I'm using earpro anyways.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/savage-174-arms-model-10t-tactical-bolt-action-rifle/1695199.uts

Rifle (alt): Ruger American
The initial reviews seem positive and it's $100 cheaper than the Savage. Played with one at the fun store and the trigger felt better than expected (can be adjusted down to 2.5# even). Budget isn't that tight so if the Savage is generally better, so be it.
http://www.cabelas.com/product//ruger-174-american-rifle-174-predator-bolt-action-rifles/1872705.uts
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>> No. 102054 ID: bcb52e
>>102038
Call me crazy, but i've never actually seen anyone use more than one set of rings on a scope... Why would you even bother when one quality set will do just fine. If you're really worried about the scope being knocked loose then use some resin on the inside of your rings to add stickiness. I've never had any issues with my scope being knocked out of alignment and i've driven it pretty hard into barricades. I also routinely use it as a carry handle for my 17 lb rifle.
>> No. 102055 ID: bcb52e
As for rings. Look at Seekins precision rings. They're usually machined from the same block of aluminum so you won't have to bother lapping anything and they're not terribly expensive. Vortex also re-brands one of their ring sets as the "Vortex Precision Matched" rings.

I still swear by Spuhr though. Always will.
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102581
Not to necro my own thread but I finally got the rifle put together and zero'd for 100 yards with XM80C. Final build is the Savage 110 FCP, PA 4-14 FFP 44mm scope on an Armalite unibody mount. Bipod is a no-name Chinese one I stole off my .22 (for now) and I picked up an American Mountain Supply squeeze bag which is great. Total cost is still <$1000.
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102582
Picture doesn't demonstrate it but the PA scope is very clear and plenty bright for my needs. I have no real experience with nicer scopes so my opinion here is pretty useless, but I like it so far.

I'm shooting about 1.5 MOA at 100 yards if I'm doing my job. I'm positive the rifle can do better, so now it's on me.

Anyways, thanks for the advice guys.
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102584
>>102581
Sweet. Now time to figure out what kind of ammo the gun likes. My RPR really likes the 155gr Hornaday Steel Match. The Prvi Partizan Ammo match and PMC X-Tac were meh. Federal GMM 168 works as expected.


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  Does anybody have any other YouTube channels where they test firearms? I currently have AKOU and Wound Channel.

I like how AKOU are objective to whatever they're testing and they call manufacturers out. I quite like Rob Ski.

The conclusion from this one is funny as hell, fucking IO.
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>> No. 98686 ID: 52ed6e
>>98619
Full30 is the name of the site they host the videos on, not the name of the channel.
>> No. 98721 ID: 6ccdcf
Thanks, man. I'm always interested in people testing guns in various ways.

I love how Rob has been doing it. Watching the wear of various components from various companies is very interesting and it really shows what companies skimp out on.

What his AR test showed me was to invest in a quality full auto BCG and you're good to go.
>> No. 98749 ID: fb893e
>>98686
This is why I need an edit button.

>InRange
There we go.
>> No. 98752 ID: c9560b
My subscriptions excluding any mentioned already

>8541Tactical
Great info on precision rifles, optics, and equipment as well as some great PRS after-action reports.

>SageDynamics
Aaron Cowan's channel. Longer videos usually but some pretty solid info on self-defense training in my opinion

>NotYourAveragePreach
Parker Fawbush. Another trainer who is damned fast off a concealed draw.

>65guys
More product reviews on long-range rifles and PRS competition. Pretty non-biased reviews on PR-specific equipment

>powerfactorshow
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>> No. 102573 ID: 19518e
Found a gun channel that does have nice things. Not many channels I see do shit like .22LR at 720 yards and shit.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs3sYk1tuP5Er95EniC-uMw

In one of their recent vids, they take a 375 Gibbs (improved Cheytac) out to 4300 yards. The flight time is absolutely mental.


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102443 No. 102443 ID: b70387 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Let's have some new /k/ stuff to talk about.
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>> No. 102536 ID: b70387
  C-More M26 Underbarrel Shotguns and AOW

Am I the only guy who'd like this as a full-length shotgun with a pump?
>> No. 102556 ID: 9422cf
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102556
>>102519
Needs more buttstock and mount to hang an ammo can of belted 5.56mm on the side.

Tattooed mutant biker in Stalhelm (note helmet-mounted sight, by the way) to carry it around for you optional.
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102558
Fuck a buttstock, mount it to a steadycam harness, give it a video sight and an eyepiece, then do it up with some motorcycle grips. Maybe have a clutch cable that when you squeeze it, the steadycam gear locks up to help keep it on target. (Heh, as if)
>> No. 102560 ID: ae1f02
>>102531
What an odd boner I'm feeling right now...
>> No. 102562 ID: 9723b1
>>102536
>3 inch barrel
>for a 12 gauge shotgun
>effectively L4 caliber
Why even have a barrel at that point.


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Type 97 Chi-Ha tank with a 57mm main gun. It was obsolete by the middle of WW2, but I wonder if anyone here knows of guys in the USA shooting anything of approximately the same size. Let us say that I get a license for a DD, where are the cannoneers at? I think it would be a fun hobby and lobbing 37mm or 57mm shells is a lot more affordable than 88mm, etc.

I bought pic related, its great. I'm going to make a mock-up wooden round on my lathe and paint it. After that I thought I'd try metal-spinning some dummy rounds for decor, but I was also thinking that I could start hanging out with the big boys, shooting the real stuff.

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>> No. 102310 ID: c86ed8
>>102304
Nice! The Rubber shot looks like fun. That's a lot of 40mm.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/08/04/atf-rules-40mm-practice-chalk-rounds-are-explosives-destructive-devices/

ATF Rules 40mm Practice “Chalk” Rounds Are Explosives, Destructive Devices...

Well, might as well go bigger! Why not get a DD if they are going to pull crap like this?

>“Ok so a update. The agent that showed up was an actual bomb tech. I surrendered the rounds under protest per the advice of a attorney. The bomb tech was a really cool guy. He agreed that it was pretty stupid and he hated to do it but he was being forced to help out with the case. He did also tell me that they had sent him out to take 40mm chalk rounds under the same case. I walked out to the truck with him and watched him place the rounds in the explosive magazine in his truck.
>> No. 102311 ID: 59033e
>>102310
Except for the M992(those are a whole mess of bullshit having nothing to do with being DDs) you can ignore that article, it isn't true. A single ATF agent got overzealous and took some chalks when they shouldn't have, but they are neither explosives nor DDs and this has been confirmed by multiple people in the know. Hopefully the incoming administration puts a choker on ATF so shit like this doesn't happen again, but ATF gunna ATF.
>> No. 102326 ID: c86ed8
https://youtu.be/WMIPgBk2foE

Ansys simulation of a 7.5cm round hitting 60mm thick steel plate at 30 degree angle.
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>> No. 102535 ID: 71e77d
>>102435
Damn! If I knew I'd post something spicier for you to delete.


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102491 No. 102491 ID: b70387 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
From d0041a, in the CZ P10 thread, for whatever reason:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html

>The U.S. Army on Thursday awarded Sig Sauer a contract worth $580 million to make the next service pistol based on the company's P320 handgun.

>Sig Sauer beat out Glock Inc., FN America and Beretta USA, the maker of the current M9 9mm service pistol, in the competition for the Modular Handgun System, or MHS, program.

>One of the major goals of the effort was to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm. The U.S. military replaced the .45 caliber 1911 pistol with the M9 in 1985 and began using the 9mm NATO round at that time.

>Two sources confirmed to Military.com that Sig submitted to the Army .40-caliber and 9mm pistols for consideration. One source said the Army ultimately selected the 9mm version.

>The Army in December down-selected to two finalists for the competition: Sig and Glock, which had submitted its Glock 17 and Glock 19 models for consideration. Given the size of the contract, Glock is widely expected to protest the decision.

>Army officials informed Beretta USA and FN America at the show that they had been dropped from the competition in the recent down-select decision, according to a service source who is not authorized to speak to the press. But confusion reigned as reporters informed company officials of the Army's announcement.
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>> No. 102515 ID: 149a9d
>>102499
>I dunno, that sounds pretty good to me. Beats the shit out of all the Glock 34s out there.

Maybe, but it devaluates the whole X-series brand name.
It's literally a polymer gun which they ADDED WEIGHT ONTO because the balance was utter trash. Might as well make an alu lower for it at that point and have that explain the markup.

>>102509
>Striker-fired, with a manual safety. Why?

Because a good portion of soldiers are idiots?
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102516
>>102498
>>102515
Seen on Facebook.

I think this says all you need to know about the styling and price.
>> No. 102517 ID: 764560
>>102515
>>102509

As GVD said, there's always the lowest common denominator idiots. Also likely, is that they put it on there specifically so the DOD could target the contract to get the sidearm they wanted while still having the "test trial" pony show.
>> No. 102525 ID: c11034
To be honest my only problem with the M9 was the location of the safety. I got tiny hands and my thumb couldn't reach easily. Made me slow during the "new" USMC pistol qual.

Other than that I found her to be accurate and fairly pleasant to shoot.

Would have bough a 92FS if not for that safety. How I ended up with the Hi Power.
>> No. 102529 ID: d681c2
>>102515
>Maybe, but it devaluates the whole X-series brand name.
absolutely. the proper X-series are completely different beasts than the regular P22x, fully machined from steel with match triggers, match sights and match barrels.
this one has holes in the slide and weight in the plastic.


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102187 No. 102187 ID: 632b3e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Unless I missed it, no one has posted about the new CZ offering... a Glock clone.

Personally I'm not too excited, since there are already tons of things just like this on the market, but I can see why CZ would make it since they are sure to sell like hotcakes.

Designed to fit into Glock 17 holsters I think.
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102439
>>102406
>.40
n-no thanks

i put one of these aside at my shop. besides the tactical brand tactical urban grey color, i'm pretty excited for it.

now i just have to start paperwork on a pistol can.
>> No. 102475 ID: b70387
  CZ-USA P10/805 Bren Carbine
>> No. 102487 ID: d0041a
BREAKING NEWS: The SIG P320 was just awarded the MHS contract to replace the Beretta M9
>> No. 102488 ID: d0041a
Forgot Link
>>102487
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/19/army-picks-sig-sauer-replace-m9-service-pistol.html

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/01/19/army-chooses-sig-sauer-p320-as-next-service-pistol/
>> No. 102489 ID: b70387
>>102487
>>102488
This really deserves its own thread.


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