>>107341
"Double Deuce" 2-Bore Rifle: A Gunsmithing Spectacle https://youtu.be/OYlDgwo52tI
Sold for:
Double Deuce rifle: $6,900
Lil' Deuce pistol: $4,313

The largest sporting rifles ever actually used in the field as more than an exhibition were 4-bore stopping rifles, firing roughly 1" in diameter (25mm) projectiles. These were intended to not simply kill a dangerous animal, but to stop it immediately in a charge, which might require shooting through thick bone or horn protection. For that purpose, the 4-bore could have some value - assuming you had an assistant to carry it when danger was not imminent!

However, there have been a number of gunsmiths who have built 2-bore rifles, like this example named "Double Deuce" by its maker, Stolzer & Son of Kansas. At 44 pounds, this behemoth is definitely too heavy for practical use, but it sure is an impressively huge piece of work! It fires a 1.33" (33.8mm) ball weighing 3500gr (227g) at about 1250fps (380 m/s)...if you can hold it on target long enough to get an accurate shot.

As it turns out, any pistol with a magazine outside the grip is an assault weapon.

This state sucks.

>>107344
Seriously?

- German Bergmann Model 1896 No. 2 5-shot pistol in 5mm Bergmann.

>>107345
yep. Also any pistol with a barrel shroud/handguard

>>107368
High capacity like a motherfuck!
- Bergmann Simplex 1901 in 8mm Simplex with 8-round special magazine.

Fixed link: http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

I would expect the overwhelming majority of them to be A1 pattern, just due to how old the non-A1 models are (and thus a lot of them have been lost due to falling apart over time and use) and just how many more A1s were made.

>>107225
You mean exactly like the first Civil War?

>>107225
Yeah that's why after the first one American servicemen now swear an oath to protect the Union from enemies foreign and domestic.

Fuck Sherman.

>>107233
Didn't stop 'em from serving the Obama Administration.

>>107336
>the democratically elected government is the same as a bunch of traitors

perfect logic from our resident soyboy cuck who thinks battleships are still useful. :)

Obviously much of the above information is outdated, and neither Keymod and Mlok were not on the market as of yet, among other things. Still there's a lot of decent info there to look over.

Also, fuck Troy Industries with a rusty rake.

>>107316
Thanks for the dump man.

>>107274

He wants to trade for my Glock 19. I read a forum about guys shaving off RIA markings and stamping on Rand US Gov’t ones.
Any idea what a refinished shooter grade would go for? Gunbroker is all over the place.

Better shot of the 18c

>>107276

What's the story on the 18C? I assume it's the store's dealer sample? Putting the trijicon with a price tag next to it is such a tease.

>>107277

Dealer was showing it off at a gun show in Arkansas. He has a wall of select fire SMGs.

Postwar arsenal reparked/refinished pistols are the norm in my experience. That one is pretty obvious with the faded stamps. Very rarely do you see a true bring back with original worn finish. The last one I saw was a "dad died and I'm not really a gun person" scenario.

While in my opinion it being a refinished gun with a fairly prominent idiot scratch diminishes the value well below 90%, blue book is just a general guideline and I think $1,500 for a US property marked gun is most definitely not outside the norm, but certainly not a steal.

I'm assuming he wants cash as well, because I would trade my 19 for that in an instant. (despite being a total glockfag that has zero interest in 1911's other than historically significant examples).

>>106442
Getting anything to catch fire would be quite a feat considering the neutered magazine capacity limit. My buddy and I made a good team and managed to fire as continuous as could be expected, but it simply got uncomfortably hot, not quite bursting into flames hot. Basically everything in front of the magazine was pretty much near-water-boiling super hot cup of coffee hot or hotter (exposed metal).

Looking under there, the wood isn't burned but some stray wood fibers and small shellac globules getting singed/cooking probably caused most of the smoke along with whatever bit of oil might've been hanging around under there.

Short bit of video I got from my buddy's side of things.

>>106425
man, if I was a leaf I would so buy one. Glad you guys up north have enjoyable guns still being imported!

Am i retarded for thinking the type 81 is just a evolution of the SKS platform?

>>107236
You are retarded for a great many reasons, but in this case you are correct. The Type 81 has similarities to the SKS, such as a short stroke piston.

  NASA Creates New Chainmail Tire https://youtu.be/YTy-qkXnT-c

  NASA designed space fabric to make space suits more flexible https://youtu.be/gPFXciGoarI

  For repetitive bullshit tasks like assembling and welding chainmail, you're better off having a machine do it. Or a whole village of peasants in India making riveted chainmail for rich weirdos in America and Europe (yeah, I hear that's a thing and it has brought the cost of buying riveted chainmail way down recently).

The Ring Lord - Chainmail machine https://youtu.be/4YBIa-9-lus
http://theringlord.com - The Ring Lord's fully automated welded chainmail machine. Wire goes in, welded chainmail come out.

Another good modern application of chainmail is in steel mesh wristwatch straps. Some armorers make a little extra money on the side crafting chainmail watch straps.

The guy wearing this Roman-style chainmail shirt is R. Lee Ermey, from the Mail Call show.
R.I.P.

A lot of semi-autos house the main action spring in the stock. As far as I know, both Mossberg and Remington use this setup for their current production semi-auto shotguns. They would have to put the main action spring around the magazine tube or somewhere else that would allow for a "stockless" design.

It seems to me that the prototyping and redesign over what can be arguably called a "gimmick" or "loophole gun" would make the semi-auto "shockwave" guns somewhat unmarketable.

The Turkish 1919 shotgun pictured here could be a good candidate for this kind of thing. The stock/fake buffer tube can be removed completely without any change in the mechanical function of the firearm, making it a giant shotgun pistol grip only thing. Sadly it's not a very good shotgun to begin with so it would again just be a range toy. Nothing wrong with that though, even if the 1919 isn't really a shotgun that could be trusted with any serious purpose, it doesn't fail to make me smile.

>the shit below is an attempt to explain the limited marketability of "shockwave" setups in my anecdotal opinions
>its mostly conflicted rambling and can be ignored
Although I tend to think stockless shotguns are more of a range silly thing than a good choice for defensive purposes because they are indeed harder to shoot accurately as quickly as a stocked shotgun, I do see their value in a few ways. I would personally take a normal 18.5" PGO setup for a few reasons however.

First is that I hate bird's head grips. I think they are terrible at everything, and a thousand times out of a thousand, I would choose a pistol grip like the one seen on this picture related 1919. This is very personal so this point obviously doesn't apply to many people. I would actually be okay with a pistol grip that has a few inches of "stock" after it (as if you cut off the last half of an AR-15's buffer tube) to comply with the length requirements for the shockwave-style stuff while still having a grip that doesn't make me hate life.

Second, a shorter barrel may look cool and provide a bit more of a compact setup, but if you're going to be using this defensively, you have to consider the noise and blast that accompanies a shorter barrel. I would be willing to trade a few inches of compactness if it means my eardrums do not cave in. Obviously, hearing damage will definitely still occur, but just a few decibels (a logarithmic scale) can make a lot of difference in how fucked you may be after the first shell fired.

Finally, unless all these things start costing less than a regular shotgun + tax stamp, they will always be pretty niche items.

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what model is in OP's pick? the wood furniture one is dead sexy.

>>107168
Pretty sure it's a Remington 1100.

okay, but consider:
Shockwave style auto 5

>>107209
So a whippet gun?

Just find someone making auto 5 clones

>>105846
>I'd like to stay with inertia driven for the purposes of simplicity.

It's my understanding that this generates more perceived recoil though.
And it's not like the alternatives are especially complex.

>Primary use of the gun would be for Skeet/Trap, as well as Home Defense and potentially 3 gun further down the road.

My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.

>>105847

>My gut tells me that skeet/trap have quite different requirements than 3-gun, but I'm sure that someone with more experience in that can shed more light on it.

Yeah, basically I'm presuming that if I move on to 3-gun I'll get something else for trap and skeet like a Super Vinci or something. I know that the M2 and the M3000 can both become 3 gun shotguns through basic mods, but they can operate as trap/skeet guns immediately. Doe that make sense? It's why I'm not looking at a Vinci now; it can be a trap/skeet gun but it really doesn't have the aftermarket to support it as a 3 gun shotgun.

I also forgot to mention, but having the ability to get a Slug barrel would be nice as well. Here in Ohio most firearm deer hunting seems do be done with shotguns and the option would be good. Though it's a secondary concern, I could probably pick up a used 870 Police Magnum and get a slug barrel for not all that much.

>>105853

Plenty of slugs work fine without rifling though. So depending on what you aim for, a dedicated slug barrel may not be required.

>>103512
you do do you, man. I've slowly arrived here over the years.
Guns are expensive to replace, buy the ones that last.

>>105864
Indeed!
Rifled lead slugs can be fired through regular smoothbore shotgun barrels, even ones with chokes, although improved cylinder works best. The rifling on these lead slugs imparts very little spin, but it allows these slugs to be swedged through any size normal choke. A rifled shotgun barrel allows you to shoot the more accurate sabot or copper-jacketed slugs.

Years ago, I bought a $200 Remington 850 pump and added a $90 Mossberg rifled shotgun barrel. Really unnecessary as I use cheap Brenneke slugs, but the barrel came with a length of rails that extends over the top of the lock that can fit sights to it. I put a cheap reflex sight on it and it works great at the 100 yard range that slugs are effective in. Other hunters love red dot scopes on their slug barrels.