>>107140
kinda
The diabolo shape keeps it pointed in the right direction, but lack of spin supposedly makes the effects of wind more pronounced. Probably won't win you any bench rest matches.

>>107145
For this kind of gimmicky thing, I wouldn't assume they are aiming for sub-minute. I'm intrigued by it on principle, an accurate smoothbore is interesting just because it's different, and it's something that piques my curiosity.

It also might actually be a way to make cheap plinking cheaper. Cheap barrels, a simple swaged bullet design, just something to shoot standing within 100 yards or serve as short range self-defense carbine that would be cheap and effective.

>>106823
So anyone want to try and jump on this train now to defuck this concept?

>>107142
Pellets are at a huge disadvantage compared to bullets, they actually start to lose velocity while still in the barrel.

To add more velocity, companies like FX airguns introduced something they call smooth twist barrels where the majority of the barrel is smooth, but it has a bit of rifling at the end to impart stabilization. Pretty much try to reduce friction as much as possible.

Technically, that technology has been around for a long time and shotguns have been using rifled chokes. But, this is the first time in an airgun and it is definitely more useful there than in the world of chemical propellants.

Let me know if you have any other questions, I've been obsessed with big bore airguns as of late.

>>107152
>Pellets are at a huge disadvantage compared to bullets, they actually start to lose velocity while still in the barrel.
I can see this being the case with compressed air-propelled pellets.

My main question was about accuracy. If you fired a pellet at a supersonic speed with a smoothbore barrel, would the pellet tumble?

My posts as a whole in this thread were mostly directed to using a bullet design that would not need gyroscopic stability in supersonic flight for use in the Franklin Armory Reformation smoothbore rifle. Their "30 cents over regular ammo" thing sounds very expensive for their nerf football bullet, so a handloader or ammunition manufacturer could potentially make a cheap bullet with half decent accuracy for that type of rifle.

>>107136
Reminds me of range stories, such as one about people shooting a semi-auto Tommy Gun and suddenly it went full-auto after burning through a number of drums. The shooter had good presence of mind and kept hold of the out-of-control Thompson until all the ammo remaining in that 50-round drum was expended. Don't know if it was a mechanical malfunction or an ammo cook-off from a hot breech. When it went haywire, he yelled something along the lines of "Holy moley! My finger's off the trigger but this Devil machine is firing on its own!" Perhaps with responses like "Dude, you're in unlawful possession of an unlicensed machine-gun. The Feds'll send you up the river for thirty years!"

It does happen
National guard drill instructor convicted
http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=14780

>>107137
I've heard you can get the same effect with a milsurp SKS if it's not cleaned properly before use. Floating firing pin gets gummed up with Cosmoline and sticks, striking the primer as soon as the round is chambered and keeps going until the mag is empty.

And then there was the magazine article about doing a trigger job on an AK that neglected to mention that their method could make a slamfiring illegal machine gun.

>>107138
The way I understand that is if you knowingly replicate a malfunction causing "machine gun" fire, it's illegal, but if it's a legit accident and you don't keep doing it, you're probably okay.

>>107147
I've had a slamfire happen with S&B commercial ammo in my SKS, it was clean and the firing pin was perfectly free.

Thankfully it only fired one round that way as I hadn't finished topping it up, so my dogs weren't shot.

>>107136
>>107137
Well, I only happened to have three rounds left in the magazine, so I have no idea if it would've continued if there were more, or if it would've done a burst and stopped.

>>107147
Yeah, it only happened once, and hasn't happened again since its last cleaning, so I should be good for a while.

No, really, I ask... who would pay that kind of money for this?

Reminds me of explaining the advantages of having a tribble...

SPOCK - There is something disquieting about these creatures.
MCCOY - Oh? Don't tell me you've got a feeling, Spock?
SPOCK - Of course not, Doctor. They remind me somewhat of the lilies of the field. They toil not, neither do they spin... but they seem to eat a great deal. I see no practical use for them.
MCCOY - Does everything have to have a practical use for you? They're... nice. They're furry and soft. They make a pleasant sound.
SPOCK - So would an ermine violin, Doctor, but I see no advantage in one.

>>102987
We lost a bunch of images in older threads due to a software fuck-up awhile ago, though it looks like most of those have been pushed off the end of the board already. Stoplossed's ancient M1 Garand improvement thread, >>90456, still shows the effect, but that's no reason to delete the whole thing.

I went and deleted that whole thread myself. About half of the images were unviewable.

Anyone tried a shotgun suppressor?
- US Remington 870 MCS AOW shotgun with a Salvo suppressor.

>>102960
You meant to type the feds shoot your dog, kids, and wife.

>>102941
fuckin useless but fun. get bird shot and get good at hip firing its a blast

Preemptive haters reply.

When spouting off, please see.
>>107091

>>107088
On a more serious note this weapon has everything that I desire in a concealed carry weapon.

I carry with one in the chamber. Just how I roll. This for me in my mind requires that I must have a manual safety on the weapon as I do not have full control of the weapon while it is holstered.

I know it may be weird to some. Just my requirement.

Bonus, it comes with a trigger safety as well.

12+1 standard, comes with 2 mags.

Very happy with this gun.

The G2c version comes without the Taurus security locking system.

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>>107092
> 12+1 standard

What's the size like? I'm guessing as wide as a glock 19, but shorter barrel and grip?

On a scale of 1 to staple gun, how's the trigger?

  >>107093
>What's the size like?
Fits my hand perfectly. Could see this being a little small on the grip for the 6'+ crowd until a more firmed up aftermarket version of the extended pinky rest mag comes out.

Beyond the troughs in the front the entire slide is tapered slightly, the gun is extremely easy to draw.

>On a scale of 1 to staple gun, how's the trigger?
Hmm... What to say here.

First, you can and should totally ride the trigger bar on reset. It is firm and the reset is very short. See the video.

I plan on dumping a lot of rounds through this gun to get it down.

You may also hear about it being "gritty". That was resolved on the g2c by removing the Taurus security locking system. There was not grit for me, only a firm bar and short reset. There is an aftermarket for non C models that disengages the key safety and removes the grit as well. I don't own the earlier models so I do not have any issues here.

  Taurus Millennium PT111 G2 https://youtu.be/MH3tJrK2ma4

>>107050
Yeah... It looks pretty comedic.

>>107062

>>107063

>>107049
>$70

That plus at least $45 for the Anderson lower is just a few bucks shy of a dedicated Glock mag lower. But if you intend on removing the adapter and swapping the buffer to use a standard 5.56 or whatever upper than I can see the benefit.

>>107077
Right - It's that I had an Anderson lower laying around already, since I bought it when I was sure Hillary was gonna be prez. If I had to start from scratch, definitely get a dedicated lower.

6,385.00 CHF (Swiss Francs) = 6,795.52 USD.
Seems a tad pricy, even for the Swiss.

Korth National Standard und Korth Super Sport in .38 Special/.357 Magnum und Wechselsystem auf 9x19mm
https://www.all4shooters.com/de/Zeitschriften/CALIBER-im-Web/Archiv/Inhalt-caliber-06-2016/

It's dangerous to go out alone. Take this.
Korth Sky Marshal 9x19mm Kompaktrevolver

9mm Sky Hawk.

Nighthawk Custom at SHOT Show 2017
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/01/jeremy-s/nighthawk-custom-shot-show-2017/

  Derp. Forgot the link:
https://www.youtube.com/user/historichunter/videos?flow=grid&sort=p&view=0

>>103265
>>103266

I actually should 3d print my own fletching jig. I own a 3d printer. It would make my life a lot easier to not have to rely upon the range owner's equipment to make my own arrows, which I will need to do by myself eventually.

Also, range report. Today was my first day shooting these bamboo arrows and comparing them against my shoot from yesterday with my carbon arrows.

My carbon arrows weren't able to hold a group at 10m, and I rarely actually hit the target at all.

My bamboo arrows held a group at 20m on a standard 18m traditional archery 40cm ring target. Zero misses.

It's really bizarre. Everything on paper says that my carbon arrows should be better. Everything. Spine charts say my bamboo arrows are too lightly spined. They flex unevenly depending on how you flex them! Yet, they fly straight in flight, and my carbon arrows wobble about as if they are *under spined*.

I don't get it.

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>>103272
If you get a hang for knapping please share it. I never could get something passable out of glass.

Here's the STL's of the jig, by the way. I just used some nails for the hinges and that's fine since they aren't a terribly important part.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:609300

  Long live the archery thread, I guess.

I'm a complete retard, what should I read or watch to start learning about making my own arrows? I am spending too much money on store bought arrows.

>>107032
I thought it was pretty much considered a plinker.

They're unreliable even when they're "reliable". I've yet to meet anyone that has one that cycles 100% every time. Some people love it for what it is, others don't. I know a couple guys that carry them on their trap lines.

There are a ton (new)on gunbroker for around that price shipped on cursory glance. Just find a place that'll do an FFL transfer and you'll be golden. It's pretty easy. Most places charge $15-50. I charge $25 where I work.

The .22 Magnum is a good varminting round and our nation's morgues has proved it's a killer. I like how many .22 LR single-action revolvers can swap out their cylinders for .22 Magnum cylinders, transforming a target/plinker to a rat-blaster. My Ruger New Model Single-Six is a good example of this. Terrible capacity (6 compared to 30), slow to reload, but accurate, reliable and will shoot all brands if you can stick 'em in the cylinder.

Now I have heard over the years that the Kel-Tek PMR-30 has feeding problems (perhaps this is mainly from not working well with certain ammo brands or loads) to reports of the cast metal breach blowing apart and disassembly pins breaking. If these are actually recurring problems, then that is a deal-breaker for me. Anyone have practical experience with it?

Neat plinker because fuck reloading. I don't know that I'd trust a 22 Mag with my life when there are more reliable, more powerful, more easily concealable alternatives easily available from other reputable manufacturers.

>>107034
Apparently, this was fixed. I've read that the original PMR30 had a bunch or problems, it either F2F, F2E or some other problem. But, Kel-Tec heard the complaints and fixed it in later builds of the PMR30.
Now, my problem is that I have no idea how to tell the difference between the old PMR30 and a new one.

the last time there was nobody in national office to promote scare buying the republicans were smart enough to provide some loosening of the regulation to give people fun new things to buy. nra gives them enough money and support, thats for sure. they don't have something as convenient as the awb expiration lurking around the corner this time around unfortunately.

I kinda like some Remie when they aren't total pieces of shit so this is a little sad especially if the brand dies completely.

But its their own damn fault, same with Colt (though for different reasons, Colt didn't take advantage of the panic buying while Remington invested too heavily in it to my understanding). They knew that Obama gravy train wouldn't last forever and didn't take steps to take the hit without falling to the pavement wheezing and upchucking their lunch.

I kinda wonder if Remington and other companies ramped up production further in anticipation of a Hillary win.

The same problems facing many gun companies with slow sales and still angry customers burned from the panic buying price gouging seems to be what graphic card sellers and manufacturers are dealing with right now with the buttcoin crypto currency craze, graphics card prices going through the roof, inventory being sold faster then it can be replaced, and sites like Newegg price gouging the fuck out of people. Some like Nvidia are trying to mitigate the damage while others are diving headlong into the boom seeming to not care there will eventually be a bust.

For me personally I was kinda wanting to buy one of those Remington Phaser looking pistols but noped the fuck out when I heard about the problems the gun had. Just spent the money on something else, some slightly deformed looking .22 revolver and a 360 I still have yet to play.

>>107003
i'd suggest that a government subsidy for citizen weapons purchases, but republicoons don't like welfare (or poor ppl getting guns) so i came up with this more clever idea of like a gunz 401k, i think that could be sold to capitalist republicaniggers because it would allow them to use their power to funnel cash to their wall street backers as dictated by the natural order of capitalism. so if you had job you could preselect a percentage of it which you could only spend on guns and there would be no income tax collected on that portion. to the GOP it would look like a tax cut, they'd be all for it. plus only ppl with jobs would benefit another plus.
of course it never happen because the nra's thinks it's task it to collect as much megabux as possible and then give out infinite free rim jobs and get nothing out of it. worst lobbyists ever

Better buy that R1 I was considering a couple years ago.

OK, that didn't last very long

panic buy fucking everything