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105892 No. 105892 ID: 1519ac hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I wanna build a Para FAL to go with my Imbel fullsize, but I can't decide between an surplus Imbel front end with a 17.2" barrel for $300, or a brand new DSA with a 16" barrel for $495. What do?
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>> No. 106448 ID: 1519ac
Surprisingly hard to pick up a bolt for a FAL. The Para kit came with a carrier but no bolt, I snagged an Ausfailian L1A1 stripped bolt for $40.
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Just a mockup. Lots of work to do, still need to make a receiver wrench and barrel vice, torque the barrel, install correct locking shoulder, and source a few more small parts. Oh, and figure out what I'm doing to permanently attach the mag.
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7.92x33mm FAL Modification at GunLab
This is Pete’s , a friend of Gun Lab, version of a 7.92×33 rifle. His solution was to put in a new ejector block of his design with a spring loaded ejector. Then remove 0.900″ from the magazine to fit the 7.92×33 round.
With the last post we made on the 7.92×33 FN-FAL we showed a FAL that had a new ejector block and magazine made to allow the rifle to shoot 7.92×33. This post will show a different approach to reach the same conclusion, shooting 7.92×33. This series of photographs comes from another friend of Gun Lab and how he converted his rifle to use MP-44 magazines. This version the owner cut down the receiver by 0.900 and welded support plates to enlarge the magazine housing. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/08/11/7-92x33mm-fal-modification-at-gunlab/
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The first prototype of what was then the FN Universal Carbine, but that would become the FN FAL (Light Automatic Rifle), was not chambered for the familiar 7.62×51 NATO, nor its competitor round the .280 British, but in the German 7.92x33mm Kurzpatrone round developed in 1942 for the MKb. 42(H) (the predecessor of the famous Sturmgewehr).
- The FN “Universal Carbine”, prototype No. 1. This was the only rifle in the FAL family chambered at the factory for 7.92x33mm Kurz. Image source: gunlab.net

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>> No. 104954 ID: a8dbe2
Is actually not a bad idea. Jerry rig a shelf with zip ties and a metal ring or even a whisker biscuit.
>> No. 104959 ID: f0fb5d
If size/concealment is a concern, you could go with a sling-bow with some strong elastic.

It won't be as strong as a bow and probably even slower to reload but maybe that doesn't matter. People make a fuss over the psychological effect of being shot making people stop, drop or run away because of what we all see on TV and the movies and I don't think that's a reliable way to stop a threat, but I imagine suddenly hearing a THWAP, feeling a sharp pain and seeing an arrow sticking out of your chest is an existentially introspective experience.
>> No. 104985 ID: 223405
People go hog hunting with the slingbow, it's not a bad choice for this.
>> No. 106677 ID: adaa24
I'd rather a baseball bat than a bow in a self defense situation. Bows are great offensive weapons, but terrible defensively.

Get a fucking gun. Fuck, a knife duck taped to a broom would be infinitely better than a bow.
>> No. 106743 ID: 09c7e0
if u can move unhittably fast at all times it don't make too much difference what weapon you have. iga ninja with a butterknife slaughters your whole "trained" infantry platoon.
the dude in OP video probably gets that.
he also seems to get that guns have taken a lot of the fun and athleticism out of fighting to the death.

imagine this: one second you're in a combat zone and it seems like maybe some shit might be about to happen but you're for sure not in the heat of battle. you might not even have your rifle shouldered, you might be just hanging out. next second you're in valhalla. shit son you just died in modern battle. some fuck u never saw popped you from 3000m or from 30km. now you're in valhalla and you got no stories to trade with the other guys.

compare that to being in the heat of battle in war of the roses era, where u could like punch people and kick them in the balls before stabbing them. thats a lot more fun sounding

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106662 No. 106662 ID: 704636 hide watch quickreply [Reply]

Looks like Ruger is taking their PRS success with the RPR and parlaying it into the rimfire trainer market. MSRP is $529, which means a $425-$450 street price. If it shoots worth a damn, they're going to sell a pile of them.
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>If PRS rimfire isn't mainstream yet, it will be after this

I'd certainly hope so... But I really wish it'd be so focused on the budget market.

I really have no issue whatsoever to spend a large amount of coin on a high quality .22LR. Especially if it's accurate, reliable and has a left hand bolt.

Recently another interesting company launched a tactical trainer line btw: vudoogunworks.com
As far as I can tell, they should fit in any Rem700 chassis, which makes it quite interesting.
Note that these vudoo ones are easily over $2000.
>> No. 106665 ID: 704636
Yeah, Vudoos are Remington 40Xs with magazines. They're probably as accurate as .22LRs get.

I'm not sure if they're sold over in Euroland, but here in the US Anschutz sells rimfire trainer models in Manners T6 stocks:

One of those is a good option if you hate money and want an accurate out of the box .22LR. You could also get some of the 54 action guns, but they're mostly set up for Olympic and NRA small bore shooting. I think Anschutz sells lefty models too in the 54 and 64 series.

CZ also sells 455s in Manners stocks as well (I think they're T4s). 455s are right hand only, though:

The new Steyr Zephyr II might be an option too. They're priced around low end Anschutzs in the US market:
>> No. 106667 ID: 128ea0
>US Anschutz sells rimfire trainer models in Manners T6 stocks

I'm aware, but any information request to Anschutz Germany goes unanswered, especially if you're asking about lefties.

>One of those is a good option if you hate money and want an accurate out of the box .22LR. You could also get some of the 54 action guns, but they're mostly set up for Olympic and NRA small bore shooting. I think Anschutz sells lefty models too in the 54 and 64 series.

The vast majority of those are single shot though. Very accurate indeed, but I wanted a repeater.
For right handed people, the MPR seems like a good choice, but they don't make it lefty anymore.

>CZ also sells 455s in Manners stocks

Not a particular fan of CZ .22LRs.

>The new Steyr Zephyr II might be an option too.
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New Tikka T1x.
>> No. 106700 ID: 704636
That's pretty exciting. It undercuts CZs in price, and will probably meet or exceed their quality and accuracy.

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106540 No. 106540 ID: 128ea0 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
What kind of targets do you guys use to shoot with your various weapons at various ranges?
Feedback on serious & recreational targets are appreciated.

Personally, for 50m pistol shooting I just use the official ISSF 50 meter pistol targets. For pistol shooting at close to medium range (12.5-25m), I like a simple thick black cross on a white A4 (letter) format page. Because my pistols mostly have black target sights, the white paper with black cross contrasts a lot better than the black ISSF blob at shorter range.
The same black cross target also works well for static unmagnified rifle shooting at 50m, but at 100m without magnification it becomes tricky for me to even make out the cross.
For target shooting with scoped bolt guns, I tend to make targets with small circle targets with .25, .50, .75 & 1 MOA rings. I do 3 or 5 shot groups, and then use a website to calculate how well I did (because sometimes looks are deceiving).

Human shaped targets are illegal to use here. IPSC torso targets are the closest things we can have.

I also like the occasional "funshoot" like posted here. Just print two, and duel it out with a friend after making some clear rules depending on your shooting circumstances. (it's important to discuss what counts as a full hit or not)
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>> No. 106581 ID: 19518e
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For scopes in a target environment, I'm quite fond of these targets.
>> No. 106655 ID: 81429b
''The Void'' target...
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I've used this target with scoped rifles before, and the yellow line again forms a triangle point to really zero in on the smallest possible spot.

>The Australian "Void" target...

>"Pythagoras' Revenge" target
>Magus' "Dark Matter" tech attack target

You spurred me into downloading The Void. I do like me a frightening movie here and there, hopefully it isn't just cheap jump-scares.
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Using the BRNO pictured above in this thread, the stars aligned and five rounds were squeezed into such a shoot-n-see on a dead calm 200 yard range line.

it werks gud
>> No. 106660 ID: 30d556
I use these too.

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105879 No. 105879 ID: b19b57 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
solomon carter of horse lake mississippi, frequent poster on krautchan, ylilauta, circle/b/ros and /ck/, has purchased a deagle using his mom's credit card. as a part time minimum wage pizza delivery driver solomon needs to protect himself, but he doesn't earn enough money to buy his own weapon.
is this the best weapon for pizza delivery self defense?
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>> No. 105955 ID: 3a45c5
  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/2bC45tI26io
Would not feed SIG ammo well. Winchester and Speer worked fine.
>> No. 105957 ID: 8e9876
  Ruger LCP II https://youtu.be/D4x11YeGLYw
>> No. 106325 ID: 30d556
Odd. Mine does not seem to care what ammo you use in it, but I really need to pull the slide back all the way very hard.
>> No. 106389 ID: f1196c
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solomon carter at work in 2015
>> No. 106643 ID: fab486
  colonmon sharter

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106636 No. 106636 ID: c3b8cf hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Paging Bat Guano

What the hell is this? The owner of my new hangout took this in, but none of us has seen one before or know anything about it. Google turns up nothing. 9mm, single action only, has magazine disconnect, ambi thumb safety.

Century arms import, made by Nova Modul in Cugir, Romania.
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>> No. 106639 ID: bec165
Hm. Star Firestar clone. Interesting. Star made some pretty decent guns back in the day.
>> No. 106640 ID: c3b8cf
>Star Firestar clone

That's exactly what it is! Thanks!

I actually have a TTC, but I'm thinking about selling it since I got a Chinese Tokarev last year.
>> No. 106641 ID: a70f4c
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The Star Firestar is a series of single-action semi-automatic pistol consisting of four models that received the 1991 Handgun of the Year Award from Guns & Ammo magazine. The Firestar was available in 9 mm Para (M-43), .40 S&W (M-40), and .45 ACP(M-45) calibers, all having a single-stack magazine. A double-stack 9mm version (M-243) was also available and was commonly referred to by the unofficial name "Firestar Plus". The Firestar was produced by the now defunct Star Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A. in Eibar, Spain until 1994. The Firestar was imported into the United States by Interarms of Alexandria, Virginia.

Although its external appearance resembles a compact M1911, the Firestar is different in several respects. For example, the Firestar does not have the 1911's grip safety. The Firestar's safety features include an automatic safety at the firing pin (a feature not included in the 1911's original design but often found in more modern 1911 variants). The Firestar has operating procedures analogous to those of the Colt 1911: it is single action, and meant to be carried in Condition One (cocked and locked), with a cartridge in the chamber, cocked hammer and locked manual safety.

The Firestar is a compact, reliable and accurate handgun well-suited for backup or concealed carry. Its single-stack design sacrifices the superior magazine capacity of a double-stack, but permits a slim profile prized by many for concealed carry. While heavier than more modern handguns of comparable size made with today's composite materials, many shooters find the added heft provides a more stable shooting platform that improves accuracy.

On 6 May 2002 Volkert van der Graaf used the M43 to assassinate Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Firestar_M43
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Picture of a blued Star Firearms, M43 Firestar 9x19 pistol, with a Don Hume leather inside the waistband holster (Right handed), and, a few Winchester SXT 9x19 rounds.
>> No. 106651 ID: 19518e
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Since we're on Stars, anyone got a Megastar in 10mm?

I've heard they were good 10x25s but I've never seen a whole lot of information in-depth about them.

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106604 No. 106604 ID: dcea3a hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I guess I should post the new rifl*cough* I mean """pistol""" I built recently too since I haven't made any threads in so long. Still waiting on tax stamps so I can put a real stock on it and get my suppressor out of NFA jail though.
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>> No. 106618 ID: 988090
Woah, I have carbine gas system on my 10.5" how does it shoot with gas block set to I guess "normal"?
>> No. 106621 ID: dcea3a
The gas port is intentionally overgassed, this barrel is intended only to be used with an adjustable gas block. I have it set to just enough gas to lock the bolt back every time plus two clicks for reliability. Its kinda fun with barely enough gas to work though, you can feel the sproing like a 20" rifle.
>> No. 106632 ID: e72dd4
Kinda reminds of my SP1 troll build I'm working on. Rifle length gas port on a JP barrel chopped at 16'' with a regular A1 gas block. It needs a can to function.
>> No. 106633 ID: dcea3a
It actually runs really well even without a can, I have a couple thousand rounds through it now. The more retarded thing is the brake. Sounds like I'm shooting .50BMG, shoots a 2 foot fireball, and you can feel the shockwave in your sinuses if you're standing next to me. Unfortunately there is no flash hider mount for the can I got but at least it's effective as a brake lmao, combined with the adjustable gas system it recoils like .22lr. If it weren't a suppressor mount I would not put a brake on an 11.5" rifle.
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>braked short barrel 223/5.56 are ridiculous
can confirm

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106596 No. 106596 ID: dcea3a hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I decided to give the optics on a pistol meme a go
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>> No. 106617 ID: dcea3a
Hi bb, nice trigger.
>> No. 106622 ID: 128ea0
>This is a Strike One but it illustrates what I'm trying to say.

Should be noted that with the Stryk B they caved to market pressure and went with Glock style setup because people wanted "more options".
A bit of a shame, really. The backplate setup had a lot of advantages.

But it illustrates why Glock knockoff slides would want to stick to conventions.
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There is this Balor mount that uses the back plate to mount a T2 and includes backup irons with a hilariously short sight radius.
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can i paly?
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Doesn't look too bad, though you can't get the optic as low as with a cut in the slide.

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hey operators, I've been thinking about my options for moving from my steel-framed CZ up to a polymer wondergun. however, part of why I've been such an autist about sticking with the CZ obsessively is that it lacks finger grooves, which just don't feel right for me.

obviously the Gen 5 Glocks lack these, but they have a poor aftermarket. Gen 2s are an option, as well. or I could always customize a later Gen Glock myself (or pay someone to do it for me). Arsenal has the Stryker but I am hesitant about that one for some reason. any other polymer guns I am missing?
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>> No. 106469 ID: 704636
As >>106458 said, the Gen 5 only has a small aftermarket since it's brand new. If you like Glocks, get one and backfill aftermarket parts as they're available if you must.

M&Ps are nice, but the hinging trigger sucks. I'd replace it with an Apex trigger just to get rid of the hinge, but the pull improvements are nice.

You could also try the CZ P10C. It's basically a better Glock, but with unknown reliability. My friend's runs fine, but other people have had problems. The best part is that you don't have to change anything (unless the grip texture tears your hands up, then a set of rubberized Talon grips will fix that).
>> No. 106470 ID: 1f8e9e
there's always the sarsilmaz st9 if you trust turkish kebab quality
>> No. 106472 ID: c3b8cf
I remember handling an Armalite AR-24 (i.e. a sarsilmaz CZ-75) at SHOT show years ago and somehow an unidentifiable tiny piece of black metal came loose from the interior of the gun and hit my shoe. I notified the nearest Armalite rep and then GTFO.
>> No. 106505 ID: 1f8e9e
OP here, got to actually handle a gen 5 Glock 17 today and yeah this gun is everything I've wanted Glock ergos to be for years. Fuck, now I have to actually budget for it.
>> No. 106520 ID: 5a365e
Nearly all aftermarket items are useless and you would be better served buying ammo. Holsters, mags, and sights are all you need.

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  For a modest price of 7500$ you too can see the legend come back to life!
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>> No. 103741 ID: 19518e
All those guns you mentioned are things that are already proven, all the plans and tooling are already done, to quote the post you linked to
"...riding a hundred year wave of Browning's legacy. 1911s are understood in every way"

All those manufacturers just have to make what is already made and do it with attention to detail and closer fits. It's like doing a cover of a song when everybody and their mothers have the music sheets and the instruments, SVI/les baer/everygucci1911brand just comes in, picks up the guitars and microphone, and plays the same old song.

The accuracy ends up being the same, but FK has to write a new song from scratch, that's the actually complicated and expensive part.

Yes their marketing is annoying as hell and going "wow we're amazing hitting stuff 100 yards nevah been dun befoh muh hydroquantumshox see we can use buzzwords too".
>> No. 103742 ID: 1989a8
Doesn't hydrostatic shock become relevant when the projectile goes above 2000 fps? FK only has 2000 fps at the muzzle though. On the other hand, it dropped an elk without vertebra damage which is very impressive if it wasn't staged.
>> No. 103743 ID: 19518e
I'm no terminal ballistician, but from what I understand "hydrostatic shock" is damage to some types of tissues and/or organs from a large enough temporary cavity caused by a projectile. The size of the temporary cavity is related to the projectile's weight, diameter, speed, upset (tumbling), expansion or fragmentation. This temporary cavity, if large and violent enough, can increase the trauma and physiological shock to the target beyond the permanent cavity. I remember reading theories of nervous system damage from this temporary cavity effect, but I can't say I know if it was speculation or confirmed by legitimate scientific process. I do imagine, all else being equal, a larger temporary cavity would probably hurt more but pain is an extremely unreliable factor in incapacitation of a creature at best.

12 gauge slugs are very large, heavy, made of soft lead, and from what I know, can create very large temporary cavities regardless of the relatively slow velocity (well under 2000ft/s) of the projectile. Conversely, the 223 with a proper bullet can also impart devastating damage beyond what one would expect from a small projectile.

In the case of most handguns, there is neither weight or speed sufficient to do anything but look impressive in a gel test. Gel and high-speed cameras can make basically anything look like the new wonderbullet is like a high explosive autocannon round. From Fackler's reports, yes the general speed required to have enough energy to make temporary cavity matter is around 2000ft/s, but bullet weight and construction (expansion, tumbling, fragmentation) are important factors in this rule of thumb.

Hunters have been taking large game with smaller calibers for a long time, with a bullet that can go deep enough, I would imagine that countless medium-to-large animals have been taken with lever actions in modest chamberings assuming shot placement was good. Hunting is often anecdotal and very case-by-case, the animal's reaction to being shot can never really be predicted with perfect accuracy. Maybe they shot a dozen game before landing on the one elk that just gave up after getting a hole poked in it. There's a video of some guys shooting a small doe with a 50BMG and it taking a football-sized scoop right out the exit side, and the doe still ran for a few seconds. There's plenty of videos of hunters sack-of-potatoes-drop on larger animals with a whole lot less than the 50BMG, like 357 Magnums.

The 7.5 round is basically a 30 carbine round (as if shot from a long barrel) from a pistol barrel. Whatever you can kill with an M1 carbine, you could do with the 7.5 from the pistol.
>> No. 103747 ID: 1989a8
I'm just saying that an aproximately 100 grain bullet goes into the target at supersonic speeds so their claims of effective hydrostatic damage may not be a just marketing meme. No amout of accurate or meme marketing claims justifies that fucking price tho. Would be interesting to see if they make any actual military AP ammo for it and how will it look if they do.
>> No. 106473 ID: 1989a8
  It's getting more expensive, lmao.
Still, what a cool looking piece.

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