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102355 No. 102355 ID: d97441
https://www.hudsonmfg.com/product/
Sci-fi future 1911. I think it looks pretty neat, but with a MSRP of $1,147 and it being a brand new company, I don't see myself getting one any time soon.
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>> No. 102356 ID: d97441
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102356
>Overall Length
7.625in

>Overall Height
5.225in

>Overall Width
1.24in
>> No. 102357 ID: d97441
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>Barrel Length
4.28in

>Weight Unloaded
34oz

>Trigger Pull Weight
4.5-5 lbs
>> No. 102358 ID: d97441
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>Trigger Travel
.115in

>Mag Capacity
15

>Sight Radius
6.26in
>> No. 102359 ID: d97441
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>G10 VZ Grips

>Trijicon HD Front Sight

>G10 Hogue Lower Backstrap
>> No. 102368 ID: b70387
There's a whole bunch of empty space inside the frame, under the barrel. Why? Just to look cool? This would make carrying the gun as hard as carrying a normal pistol with a light, without the benefit of having a light.

Why, in an age of PPQs and VP9s, would anyone think wide, flat front- and backstraps make any ergonomic sense?

>>102359
>We hired a male model to teacup our gun in promotional pictures.

This is a silly, silly thing.
>> No. 102369 ID: b70387
  I'd like to bring everyone's attention to a gun that isn't the same old modified-Browning lockup, striker-fired firearms industry hive-mind bullshit, and which is actually good at being a gun.
>> No. 102370 ID: b70387
  .
>> No. 102377 ID: bec165
Okay HOLD UP. How the fuck am I gonna use a weapon light on this?

>>102368

That's where the guide rod and spring go, friendo. Flat backstrap is to appease 1911 fanboys who complain about Glocks. (And probably also suck at guns so they make excuses why they can't shewt gud)
>> No. 102378 ID: ad8094
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>>102377
> weapon light
You are getting into MK23 territory now
>> No. 102380 ID: 149a9d
>>102377
>That's where the guide rod and spring go, friendo.

If you look at the video disassembly part, they show the spring & guide rod is actually fairly small and below a seemingly empty space.

Could just be that they're hiding their proprietary recoil management doohikey from teh internetz for now (think of the FK 7.5 pistol's design).
>> No. 102385 ID: b70387
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>>102377
>>102380
This is, like, a parody of a Sig slide.
>> No. 102395 ID: 3a0e10
A 1911 with a lowered bore axis? I'd like to shoot one and see.
>> No. 102397 ID: 76687d
great, now i can have the price, size and weight of a high end .45 with the power of a 9
>> No. 102398 ID: ad8094
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>>102385
Maybe you can drill a hole and put a laser in the empty space
>> No. 102401 ID: 76687d
>>102398
or just buy the glock in the picture instead
>> No. 102402 ID: 76687d
>>102398
shit nvm i see a 40 on the slide
>> No. 102403 ID: b12f5b
It isn't a 1911. It shares some of the controls, and grip angle, and maybe some of the aesthetic design curves, but the operating mechanism is nowhere close to a 1911, or even a striker fired 1911, or even a polymer framed 1911.

It lacks the pivot link recoil mechanism, and the locking surface is on the ejector cutout rather than inside the slide. I kinda dislike saying it's anything like a 1911 when to the user's perspective, the grip angle and shape are about the owner things similar. Even then, the features it is combining don't seem to make it unique enough to warrant my attention at least.
>> No. 102404 ID: ad8094
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>>102402
Better?


>>102403
It has a 1911 style trigger (straight pull) but it's more like a Glock safe trigger. I think this pistol is a Glock with 1911 ergonomics
>> No. 102405 ID: 76687d
>>102404
dat 19
>> No. 102407 ID: 3a0e10
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>>102404
A few straight Glock triggers now (salient, agency, suarez) too
>> No. 102408 ID: fde504
>>102407

straight trigger =/= straight pull, though.
>> No. 102409 ID: ad8094
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102409
>>102407
The movement of the trigger
>> No. 102410 ID: 149a9d
One is the axis of motion while the other simply gives it a lighter perceived pull (while in reality remaining the same).
>> No. 102441 ID: b70387
  Hudson H9 Pistol | SHOT 2017
>> No. 102442 ID: 9dcda2
>>102441
Neat.

Also, Diamond Dogs patch on the chick's jacket. (And an odd legs to torso ratio.)
>> No. 102446 ID: 393110
>>102442
http://www.snakehoundmachine.com/product/diamond-doges-patch/
>> No. 102448 ID: 7704c5
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102448
Handled one today.

Fantastic gun, great trigger. However, one major issue I could see...

With the trigger safety pad pivot pin off center and the low pull weight, this gun is very unlikely to be drop safe. Look into why the first Ruger SR9's where recalled. No grip safety, despite the looks.

They will have reversible mag releases, optional manual safeties, and interchangeable(ish) backstraps. S&W 5906 mags can be converted to fit it.
>> No. 102537 ID: 71e77d
Fresh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1LNq1x7-5E
>> No. 102538 ID: b70387
  >>102537
It's got a good story behind it.
>> No. 102539 ID: 9dcda2
>>102538
Very, very cool. I'm getting one as soon as it hits the MD roster.... which could take a while...
>> No. 102541 ID: 1519ac
>>102448
Do you think it's likely they have gotten this far in the manufacturing process without testing it for drop safety? Not being snarky just asking.
>> No. 102542 ID: 3f5192
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>>102541
I'm absolutely sure they've done extensive testing and are 100% certain it's drop safe. I even casually brought it up when I was speaking to them at their booth and the assured me it was.

That being said, don't you think a company as large as Ruger also did just as much if not vastly more testing before they released something as massive as their new SR9 line of pistols? Look what happened there.

Ruger had to relocate the trigger insert pivot pin to the center of the trigger. Early ones where off center and caused it to automatically disengage when dropped, much like this H9.

There's testing in house and with an R&D team, and then there's releasing them to the market for the masses to find out themselves. One idiot can easily prove an entire R&D team wrong and it only takes one unfortunate issue where all the impossibly unlikely odds just happened to be in fates favor to cause a recall. A massive recall for a new company with a new product could ruin them.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, I haven't even taken one apart let alone know more than their designers. However, after handling one I couldn't help but think it may be a possibility. Companies usually learn from the mistakes of others when making something new.
>> No. 102543 ID: 96b303
>>102448
>>102541
>>102542
Valid concerns raised indeed. Since the design seem to not be drop safe, do we know if the H9 has a striker safety, like a Glock for example (where even if the striker somehow falls, it is prevented from hitting the primer unless the trigger is actually pressed)? I'll be honest, I'm not sure if a striker safety of that type would actually work with that particular trigger. In any case I know it isn't really a solution to the issue, but I could see a company making that compromise.

Not saying it's correct, but I'm wondering if that's what they did.

Perhaps some part of their FCG prevents firing when dropped in another way that isn't apparent to the first glance. Perhaps Hudson can be contacted so that some light can be shed on the issue.
>> No. 102546 ID: 3f5192
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102546
>>102543
It has a striker block that disengages when the trigger is pulled. As is the norm with almost every striker fired pistol on the market.

Again, lets look at the SR9...

It has two of them. Case in point.
>> No. 102549 ID: c937fc
>>102546
Ah, welp that's not comforting at all.

A-at least that silencerco spehsspistol looks like a decent thing?
>> No. 102550 ID: 3f5192
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102550
>>102549
I handled one, really gave it a once over. It's balanced, feels great and overall seems like a solid firearm. Fun fact, there's a micro red dot mounting plate built into the top that's pretty well hidden and the bottom of the suppressor has a keymod interface for rail segments or other accessories.

My only complaint was a sub-par trigger. Extremely gritty and creepy. I'm sure it could be polished, but who knows how far that will get.

Here's the thing about the Maxim 9... I see it as nothing more than a future collectable. It's a neat as fuck gun, don't get me wrong. Hell, I ordered 12 at SHOT.

However, once HPA passes everyone will be doing the same thing. Give it five years and the Maxim 9 will be seen as the pioneer of a new market that has quickly been saturated by companies who have copied it and potentially improved it.

Look at the VP70. Holy cow guys, can you believe HK designed a pistol with a POLYMER FRAME?!

Now look at the current market of pistols. With HPA removing the hurdles we're going to see a whole new era of pistols. It's only a matter of time before someone makes a cleaner, quieter, smaller, lighter and better version of it.
>> No. 102551 ID: 3f5192
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102551
>>102550
To end my rambling...

It's fucking cool. Here's to hoping the trigger better on the production models then it was on the test mule I handled. Can't wait to get one in the shop so I can tear it fully apart and form a complete and solid opinion of it. I'm concerned about how easy it comes apart and how far a "field strip" of it gets you.

They're already showcasing various holsters for it and the hype is alive and well. It will take off like a rocket.
>> No. 102552 ID: a5ad5d
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102552
>>102550
The HK VP70, produced in 1970, was the first polymer-framed pistol (predating the Glock 17 by 12 years), but the Remington Nylon 66 rifle introduced in 1959 was the first polymer-framed firearm in production.

It also had an impressive high-capacity magazine (18 rounds of 9x19mm) for the time. I checked out a civilian VP70Z in the mid-1980s and almost bought it, but I did not like the DAO trigger.
>> No. 102553 ID: b70387
  >>102538
Part 2

Having both the camming surfaces and the spring way forward like that probably means they won't be able to make compact or subcompact models with shorter slides. Which is going to constrain the number of roles their pistols can effectively fill.
>> No. 102555 ID: 19518e
>>102553
That was very interesting and it has definitely sparked my interest in this pistol. I didn't think it would actually be that well thought out and have design characteristics with good reasoning.

At this point I really do hope it's drop safe. I want one.

also holy fuck what a lucky guy, Lauren is waifutier instamarry blood pact soul pledge whew I may have a small crush

>>102550
>>102551
It depends if the Maxim 9 makes a big enough splash right off the bat. The VP70 just didn't blow up like Glock did, from what I understand, the Glock had marketing/big police contracts and let it eclipse the H&K.

But yeah, I'm hyped for both of these at this point, even if the latter won't be canuck ever ;_;. If the H9 gets up here though I may just get one and I'm a little irked but happy at the same time that I have sketches of a pistol I wanted to make that's exactly like the H9 down to the look and even the trigger from three years ago. The only difference between the H9 and mine is a second recoil block between the locking lugs and the action spring; the block would activate if extremely hot ammo was used to allow handloaders to safely shoot 9mm Major but at this point it's on the pipe dream shelf.
>> No. 102561 ID: 12329c
>>102555
she sounds like a 60 year old 2 packs a day smoker tbqh
>> No. 102705 ID: 3f5192
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>>102551
Got one to fuck around with today.
>> No. 102706 ID: 3f5192
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>>102705
Takes any set of Glock sights and has a plate for mounting an RMR.
>> No. 102707 ID: 3f5192
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>>102706
Suppressor section can be adjusted for length and effectiveness. Currently there's two standard lengths.

The baffles are all serviceable and replaceable.
>> No. 102708 ID: 3f5192
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102708
>>102707
Bolt uses a Pederson style delayed breech lock that locks into the chamber area.

Half the weight of the gun is in this slide. The pistol is amazingly light and well balanced.
>> No. 102709 ID: 3f5192
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102709
Take down is very simple.

First, press this button on the rear...
>> No. 102710 ID: 3f5192
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102710
>>102709
Next, flip up this latch...
>> No. 102711 ID: 3f5192
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>>102710
The bolt moves at an angle rearward and pops off the frame. No springs to worry about flying everywhere.
>> No. 102712 ID: 3f5192
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102712
Again, only complaint was the trigger.

However this model was fully 3D printed so the production will be better for sure. Not to mention rumors of Apex and Zev are already developing kits.
>> No. 102713 ID: 9dcda2
>>102712
Good shit BOOF.

> rumors of Apex and Zev are already developing kits

I don't understand how, in the year 1911+106, guns still come with shitty triggers.
>> No. 102714 ID: 028b36
>>102712
As I was reading the thread and looking at the picture I was gonna ask if it was 3D printed, maybe that's why the trigger is king griddy?
>> No. 102715 ID: fb3bdd
So... Silencerco just laid off a bunch of it's workforce.
>> No. 102716 ID: 6ca38e
>>102715
Source?
>> No. 102717 ID: b70387
>>102708
Looks like there's only the one lock on the left side of the slide. Could this cause differential forces pushing the slide to one side during cycling? Uneven wear patterns?

>>102716
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/02/03/breaking-silencerco-reduces-workforce/
>With the Hearing Protection Act (HPA) possibly on the horizon and a reduced political threat to firearms and suppressors, people have relaxed on their gun purchases. In addition, the whole firearm industry was planning for a different election outcome and stocked up on black rifles and ammo – people just aren’t buying many guns right now.
>As such, dealers can’t buy as many suppressors to sell because they stocked up on modern sporting rifles and ammunition that nobody is buying. And now people aren’t buying suppressors because of the HPA possibility. It’s a weird confluence of events.
>> No. 102721 ID: fb3bdd
>>102717
>Looks like there's only the one lock on the left side of the slide. Could this cause differential forces pushing the slide to one side during cycling? Uneven wear patterns?
Meh, only lol9mm. IDK, you can build asymmetrical rifles fine (like every tilt locking design ever) I don't see why it would be much of a problem for a pistol.
>> No. 102724 ID: b70387
>>102721
The vast majority of tilt-locking designs lock into something horizontal by moving the bolt down, which is symmetrical left-to-right. There's nothing there that would torque things off to the side.
>> No. 102746 ID: 6ca38e
>>102717
Huh. I'd think that with the all but imminent passing of the HPA, they'd be cranking into overdrive to be in the best position to meet the HUGE surge in demand that is likely about to take place.
>> No. 102747 ID: 1519ac
>>102746
I really don't understand why people are so optimistic about the HPA. Look, I'd love it if it passed, and don't let me discourage you from contacting your reps/pushing for it, but I don't see it happening. Do people really think that the majority of republican politicians are in favor of taking things off the NFA?
>> No. 102748 ID: 6ca38e
>>102747
A lot of my optimism admittedly comes from my desire to see it passed. But, objectively, as far as firearm legislation goes, the performance of the HPA in the past year has been stellar, picking up more cosponsors, faster, than pretty much any pro-gun bill in recent history.

Add in to the fact that the ATF has said outright that they won't fight against the HPA and indeed the recent white paper that was "leaked" indicates that there are strong feelings from inside the ATF about taking them off the NFA on their own. Of course, the white paper isn't policy, and obviously those feelings aren't universal. But it's good news all the same.

On the financial side, I'm not sure how much money is actually generated by the tax stamps or where exactly it goes, but in total I can't imagine it being a significant amount as far as the US Government is concerned. Millions to be sure, but against a budget measured in the hundreds of trillions (on which we don't seem to give a shit about being in the red every year as it is).

Plus...Trump Jr is all about the quiet pew pews and is close to some industry people. Trump himself also proclaimed himself to be adamantly pro 2A during the elections and it's an opportunity to prove that such proclamations were more than just lip service.

I think, all considered, the conditions simply all line up really well for the bill getting passed. Maybe I'm wrong in the way I've read things, but I'm hopeful and mostly confident that I'm right.
>> No. 102749 ID: b70387
>>102746
It doesn't hurt them to be cautious in this situation. If/when the HPA passes, they can ramp up production to meet demand, and any advantage that some other company might have by already having a large inventory of suppressors would be a temporary thing. Ramping up production now could put them well into debt, which would be especially hard to pay off if the HPA doesn't pass, or even passes a year or two after they might expect. If it doesn't pass, they now have a bunch of possibly specialized equipment that they need to sell, possibly at a significant loss. If it does pass, but they overestimate the new demand for suppressors, the same applies, to a somewhat lesser extent.

We've seen similar decisions made by ammunition manufacturers during the panic buying episodes. They don't add more equipment to bring up capacity, because the panic-buying doesn't reflect a long-term trend. They need to be able to feel out any long-term trend before they do anything, or they risk screwing themselves over.

>>102748
>any pro-gun bill in recent history
What other pro-gun bills have there been at the federal level in recent history?
>> No. 102830 ID: 9a106b
>>102749

>What other pro-gun bills have there been at the federal level in recent history?

Nothing major like reclassifying stuff, but
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-laws-obama-has-signed-2012-12

for great ironies.
>> No. 102831 ID: 6ca38e
Oh hey I was posting in this thread.

>>102749
Mainly the carry reciprocity bills that have been pretty much non-starters is what I was thinking of. 2, 3 times during Obama's term it came up and died it committee?

The HPA picked up 7 cosponsors last week, and twice that the week before. To compare, the CCW Reciprocity bill in 2013 averaged between 1 and 2 a week for most of its span.

Granted, picking up cosponsors is not a perfect indicator on how a bill will perform in committee and at votes, but it's kinda all we have to really go on until voting happens.
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