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105067 No. 105067 ID: 1989a8
Any of you have these videogame guns?
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/performance-center-model-327-trr8
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/performance-center-model-mp-r8
Also, what other revolvers are there that were intended for modern service and were more or less successful than R8?
I know the French used one and picrelated .500 Russian tanker anchor can be found on the net but it probably never went anywhere.
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>> No. 105068 ID: 9dcda2
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>>105067
> revolvers
> intended for modern service
> the year 1900 + 117

5-8 shots and a slow reload kills any kind of modern revolver use. The only modern practical application would be as a hideout gun for infiltrating bear gangs. Otherwise we've had perfectly good semi-autos for 117 years now.

Now, if you want a revolver for shiggles, by all means. I've got a Colt New Frontier (SSA), a S&W 686, and a Chiappa Rhino. The SSA is pretty fun to shoot and reload. The greatest handgun ever made. The Colt Single Action Army. Six bullets... More than enough to kill anything that moves. The 686 is a tank. The Rhino is a piece of shit that broke from dry firing like 50 times. I got it fixed under warranty, but the target sights are still jacked up.

I have a special hatred for snub nose revolvers.

Once you get used to 15+ rounds, anything less is intolerable.
>> No. 105069 ID: 1989a8
>>105068
NutFencer explained in his shilling video for the R8 that it was comissioned to S&W as a pointman gun to be used with a shield because the slide on semi-auto sometimes bumped into the shield and the pistol malfunctioned or something like that.
Dunno much about M73 and if frogmunchers still use it and RSh-12 is probably just a meme concept gun.
>we've had perfectly good semi-autos for 117 years now.
That's why it's interesting when a revolver is still being used and I want to know if there are any other examples of that and what 's the reason for doing it. Thought somebody here may know more on the subject.
>> No. 105081 ID: 2001f3
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Well, there's the AAI QSPR, designed in response to a 1967 request for a low-noise weapon for use by tunnel rats in Vietnam. The standard M1911A1 .45ACP apparently produced far too much noise and flash when fired in extremely confined environments (I've heard anecdotal reports of ruptured eardrums from using a 1911 in tunnel clearing), and being a semiauto it was more prone to being pushed out of battery in contact-distance shooting. For a while the S&W .38 Special revolvers issued to aircrews and MPs were a prized weapon among tunnel rats, and the Army eventually decided a dedicated tunnel gun was necessary.

The result was a Smith & Wesson Model 29 heavily altered by AAI Corporation firing a captive-piston shotshell (using either tungsten or DU pellets, reports vary) cartridge with zero flash and virtually no noise. By all accounts it worked impressively well in limited combat testing, but with the war winding down, the project was apparently cancelled in 1972.
>> No. 105082 ID: 2001f3
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>>105081
And then there's the close relative of the QSPR, the Russian OTs-38 silent revolver. Also using a captive-piston cartridge, it fires a 7.62x42mm SP-4 round with a mild steel projectile, supposedly accurate to 50m. Interestingly, the OTs-38 is an underbarrel pistol, firing from the bottom chamber in the cylinder much like the Chiappa Rhino and Mateba. The same cartridge is also used in the PSS semiauto pistol and the NS-1 scout pistol-knife.
>> No. 105128 ID: 1989a8
>>105081
Never knew about the QSPR project. DU shot seems like a pretty wild and expensive thing to use tho.
>> No. 105422 ID: 815268
>>105068
If you can't do it with 8 shots of .357 Magnum, you're a faggot.
>> No. 105424 ID: bf333d
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Captive piston suppressed ammo is extremely interesting to me.
>> No. 105426 ID: 1989a8
>>105422
What if there are several targets? More rounds is always better.
>> No. 105460 ID: f09958
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>>105424
An interesting concept to make the ammunition self-noise suppressing by pushing the bullet out by a piston that contains the exploding gasses within the shell. Problem is the added weight of the pistons and they crowd out the space in the cartridge allowing only a few grains of powder or just the primers to provide the force.
>> No. 105461 ID: f09958
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>>105082
Russian OTs-38 'silent special' in 7.62x41mm SP-4 'noiseless'.
>> No. 105462 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105463 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105464 ID: f09958
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Thomas Swearengen in his excellent reference book, The World's Fighting Shotguns, has a four page section on the silent shotgun shell. There are also some photos, including cutaway models, and drawings of the shells. (Alexandria, VA: T.B.N. Enterprises, 1978, 480-484)
A short synopysis;
It was designed by Robert Schnepfe in 1967 for a U.S.Navy contract for a low-signture munition that could be fired and ejected from standard military 12 gauge shotguns. The munition was required to possess a high hit-and-kill probability at short range in quick-reaction situations to poorly defined targets. When perfected, it was destined for use in jungle operations by navy SEALS and Marine Corps Reconnaissance Teams.
It employed the AAI-patented powder-actuated Telecartridge device conceived originally for use in missiles. It was designed not to rupture during or after the power stroke. It was then adapted to the development of the Silent Shotgun Shell.
By early 1968 samples were being tested. The payload consisted of 12 hardened No. 4 buckshot, arranged in three interlocking rows. Excluding the plastic pusher, the payload weighed slightly more than 0.5 ounce. It was sealed by an aluminuim, cup-shaped closure disc. A sealing compound waterproofed the mouth. It was 2.5 inches long unfired. Fired, the expanded Telecatridge cup protruded from the mouth of the case approximately .32 inch or about the same as the fold crimp on a standard shell.
The prototype rounds had a muzzle velocity of 550 fps, however testing revealed excessive shot dispersion and some failures at this velocity. A reduction to 450 fps solved all of these problems.
The round was said to be quieter in functioning than the mechanical, repicrocating noises of the weapon that fired it. Its sound signature was considerably lower than that of the best firearms suppressors of the day.
It was never manufactured beyond the original prototype test lot though, for reasons of priorities and economics. https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45639
>> No. 105465 ID: f09958
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For a suppressed revolver, just pick up a $100 "Hand Nugget" Russian Nagant M1895 gas seal revolver and attach a 7.62mm suppressor to the barrel. Firing it pushes the front of the 7.62x38mmR bottle-necked cartridges into the back of the barrel, sealing the thin gap between the cylinder and the barrel and the suppressor works well with lowering the noise of the shot.
>> No. 105466 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105467 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105468 ID: f09958
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105468
Machine off the front sight to fit an over-barrel suppressor, like this modified Nagant M1985 issued to Moscow Metro Guards.
http://www.operatorchan.org/k/res/99456.html#99514
>> No. 105469 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105470 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105471 ID: f09958
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105471
Russian Nagant M1895 7.62x38R 7-shot gas seal revolver.
I almost bought one of these when they were being sold in the early '90s in good condition for $100, but the ammo was pricey and more difficult to get.
>> No. 105472 ID: f09958
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105472
Here, Drake shows how the gap is narrowed when fired and the tip of the cartridge (with recessed bullets) is pushed into the barrel by the hammer.
>> No. 105473 ID: f09958
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7.62mm Nagant is also known as 7.62×38mmR (Rimmed) or "Cartridge, Type R". The projectile is seated below the mouth of the cartridge, with the cartridge crimp sitting just above the bullet. When fired, the crimp expands into the forcing cone, completing the gas seal and ostensibly increasing muzzle velocity by approximately 75 ft/s.

The 7.62 mm caliber was chosen, in part, to simplify the tooling used in barrel-making and manufacture of projectiles because the Russian service rifle of the time, the Mosin–Nagant M91, featured an identical bore diameter, being chambered for the 7.62×54mmR rifle cartridge.

The revolver can be fired using the .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum cartridges, but this practice is not generally advised. .327 Federal Magnums should never be fired in this revolver. The Nagant revolver was not designed to fire these rounds, which have different dimensions, so the shooter should be aware of the risks before attempting to use them in the revolver. Aftermarket cylinders for .32 can be installed, allowing them to safely fire .32 H&R or .32 ACP.

Proper fitting ammunition can be reloaded from .32-20 Winchester brass by using the Lee Nagant die set. This allows the reloaders to work up a load that fits their needs and is specific for the Nagant. While this eliminates the bulged/split/stuck cases experienced when using .32 S&W and .32 H&R, the gas seal that made the Nagant famous will still not fully function, due to the .32-20 not being long enough to protrude past the cylinder like the original Nagant ammunition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
- Comparison of .32 Smith & Wesson Long, .32 H&R Magnum and 7.62×38mmR Nagant
>> No. 105474 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105475 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105476 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105477 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105478 ID: f09958
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Integrally silenced ammunition compared to standard Soviet ammunition, L to R: standard 9×18 PM, 7.62 SP-2, 7.62 SP-3 loaded, 7.62 SP-3 fired case (note extended two-stage piston and re-formed case neck), standard 7.62×39 M43, standard 7.62x54R, 7.62 PZAM (loaded round and fired case with extended single-piece piston). http://www.forgottenweapons.com/russian-silent-ammunition/
>> No. 105479 ID: f09958
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105479
OTs 38 Silent Revolver - 7.62x42mm SP-4
>> No. 105487 ID: 360fc6
A thread full of things I can never afford.
>> No. 105490 ID: f09958
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105490
>>105487
You can't get a cheap Nagant M1895 revolver and thread it for a cheap suppressor (those attachments for oil or fuel filters work well for only $80 plus the $200 tax stamp registration)?
>> No. 105491 ID: f09958
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Russian Nagant M1985 with a Gemtech Tundra suppressor.
>> No. 105492 ID: f09958
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105492
Ti-rant 45 suppressor.
>> No. 105493 ID: f09958
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>> No. 105494 ID: f09958
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105494
Getting your hands on an authentic Soviet WW2 Mosin-Nagant 1891 rifle BRAMIT device silencer would be difficult. They fit on the muzzle like a spike bayonet.
>> No. 105495 ID: f09958
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105495
Here's a Nagant M1985 revolver fitted with what appears to be a BRAMIT device.
>> No. 105496 ID: f09958
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105496
>>105468
But something like this could be made by a competent machinist.
>> No. 105509 ID: f09958
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105509
Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR; also known as 'tunnel revolver' or 'tunnel gun') evolved from 1967 US Army requirements for a silenced, multi-projectile hand weapon for use by 'tunnel exploration personnel' (so called 'tunnel rats'), which operated against Vietnamese communist forces in the numerous tunnels dug by NVA and VC personnel. The weapon concept was developed at US Army Land Warfare Laboratory at Aberdeen Proving Ground, in collaboration with AAI corporation, which was responsible for creation of the internally silenced ammunition, based on the "gas seal piston" concept (similar concept at the time was employed in a number of Soviet Spetsnaz weapons, firing PZ type internally silenced ammunition). The whole concept of the internally silenced ammunition is rather old and starts in the pre-WW1 era, but practical results were achieved only during 1950s and 1960s, when chemical and metallurgical technologies finally permitted manufacture of actual ammunition.
Quiet Special Purpose Revolvers (QSPR) were based on commercially available Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum revolvers, rebuilt by AAI to handle their special integrally silenced ammunition. Earliest prototypes featured new, very short smoothbore barrels with .40" / 10mm bore, and with cylinder chambers reamed to accept QSPR ammunition which externally represented metal cased .410 gauge shotgun shells. Internally, however, the QSPR ammunition was quite different; it had a machined steel case with screw-in base. Primers were secured deeply in the cartridge base by screw-in bushing and additional anvil, which transferred the blow of the hammer to the primer (cartridges produced for tests in 1971 had no intermediate anvils). The small charge of gun powder was enclosed at the front and sides by the cup-shaped steel piston, which, upon discharge, was securely jammed at the mouth of the case by the internal thread. The QSPR ammunition fired fifteen tungsten balls (loaded into plastic sabot), each weighting about 7.5 grain / 0.5 gram, at muzzle velocity of about 730 fps / 222 m/s, which resulted in total muzzle energy of about 135 ft-lbs / 185 Joules. Due to the nature of the round (tungsten shot), the practical lethal range was estimated at about 30 feet / 10 meters, which was sufficient for extremely cramped tunnels of Vietnam war. The sound signature of QSPR round fired from QSPR revolver was about 110 dB, or similar to that of traditionally silenced .22LR pistol. It must be noted that QSPR revolvers had no sights, as these were intended for use at point-blank ranges and in very low visibility conditions of tunnels. The basic mechanism (double action trigger and swung-out cylinder) were retained from standard S&W revolvers, although there were some modifications done to the hammer, and new short smoothbore barrel was installed. http://modernfirearms.net/handguns/double-action-revolvers/usa/qspr-silent-revolver-e.html
- Smith & Wesson Model 29 revolver modified by AAI corporation into Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR)
Image is a photoshopped modification of the original S&W M29 revolver photo to closely represent extremely rare QSPR weapon, © 2008 Maxim Popenker
>> No. 105510 ID: f09958
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First ten specimen of QSPR revolvers were delivered for field testing in Vietnam in mid-1969. Testing continued until late 1969, with several live fire encounters with NVA / VC personnel. It is interesting that most of these encounters were actually not in the tunnels but during the ambushes made by US special operation forces on NVA or VC trails. The field testing proved extreme usefulness of the QSPR revolver but also identified a number of issues which required further improvement of both the gun and the ammunition. QSPR improvement and testing program was initiated in 1970, and lasted through 1971. However, withdrawal of US forces in Vietnam caused the decline of interest in this and some other developments, and the QSPR program was quietly terminated in around 1972. Total number of QSPR revolvers built is not known, and various sources estimate that number between 25 and 250 guns in total.
Compared to the contemporary Soviet equipment of the similar nature, such as S4M silent pistol, the QSPR most probably provided somewhat more firepower at point-blank ranges (because of the higher muzzle velocity and bigger ammunition capacity), but it was also significantly heavier and bulkier. This is not surprising, as these guns filled different niches, the S4M being primarily a concealed-carry "spy gun", while QSPR was a holster-carry "short range ambush" weapon.
- Cross-sectional drawing of the early version of AAI Corp Quiet Special Purpose Round, from 1971 US Army document
>> No. 105511 ID: f09958
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SUPPRESSED .38 REVOLVER WAS MADE FOR TUNNEL RATS IN VIETNAM
This experimental sidearm from 1966 included a "high-intensity aiming light" and came in a kit with a headlamp and a communications system.
This odd looking suppressed revolver was specially modified from a Smith & Wesson handgun to play a very specific role. Unfortunately, flawed technology that wasn't up to the rigors of military use ensured that it never got to fulfill its intended purpose.
The photo above was recently posted on Facebook by War History Online with only the description “Tunnel rat,” sparking a lot of speculation and confusion in the comments section.
One user finally posted a link to a thread on smith-wessonforum.com that shed some light on the odd-looking set up that was a little too ambitious for the technology of the day.
According to the post, the Smith & Wesson .38-caliber M&P Model 10 revolver was packaged in a kit along with the headlamp and the gunbelt the solider is wearing and it was, indeed, intended for use by soldiers who explored enemy tunnels, or tunnel rats, as they were known in Vietnam.
The kit in the photo is an example of a “Tunnel Exploration Kit” produced for the military in 1966. It had become apparent that to fight the Viet Cong on their home turf, it would be necessary to pursue them into the intricate network of underground tunnels and bunkers they had constructed as bases, transportation and escape routes, storage spaces, and even hospitals. This meant U.S. soldiers would have to go in through narrow openings to flush the enemy out, requiring special gear.
From the declassified Department of Defense report on the Tunnel Exploration Kit, "During a visit to the 1st Infantry Division a need was indicated for accessories to be used in tunnel exploration. Large complexes of tunnels from 100 to 400 meters in length and varying in width and height require exploration normally from a crouch or crawling position."
>> No. 105512 ID: f09958
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According to the DOD document, the final kit consisted of:
Headlamp: The primary light source consists of a 6-volt headlamp mounte don the front of the fatigue cap. A bite-type on-off switch turns the light on and off.
Communication system: A highly sensitive bone conductor microphone may be attached to the inside top of the fatigue cap, work on the bone in back of the head, or strapped around the throat. Reception is provided by an earpiece. Lead terminals from the trailing wire are secured to the pistol belt near a wire reel which is attached to the belt. The system may be used with the TA312/PT telephone or another bone conductor system.
Revolver: A .38 caliber, 4-inch barrel revolver is provided with each kit. A silencer and a small high intensity aiming light is mounted on the weapon. Ear valves are provided to protect the user's ears when the weapon is fired.
The post says six kits were requested by the USARV that were then passed on to deployed units in the field and testing soon revealed that the kit wasn’t quite where it needed to be.
The DOD document lists the following problems with the kit:
The bite switch for the headlamp didn't function properly
The weight of the headlamp and rubbing against the tunnel roof cause the hat to slide down over the user's eyes, especially after the user began to sweat. The headlamp also made it difficult to point the light beam where necessary when a tunnel changed direction, and the hat brim could block a portion of the lamp's light.
Users had trouble keeping the earpiece for the comms system in place and the wires were easy to snag on...pretty much anything. For the comms system to be of any use, it had to be hardwired to a field telephone via a reel of comms wire that had to be carried on the gunbelt and trailed behind the user.
- A view of the power pack and communications wire reel attached to the comms system by wires.
>> No. 105513 ID: f09958
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Later, S&W tried to solve the same problems for tunnel rats in a different way with the Quiet Special Purpose revolver (QSP). The gun was a highly modified S&W Model 29 in .44 Magnum. According to David E. Petzal at Field & Stream, the standard barrel on the revolver was replaced with a "1.372-inch-long unrifled tube and the cylinder was bored out to accept six massive steel cartridges, each loaded with 15 tungsten-steel shot that developed a muzzle velocity of 750 fps."
The pellets were housed in a sabot that was propelled by the force of a primer only—the cartridge contained no additional propellant. As a result, the pistol had no flash and made very little noise compared to a .45 ACP. However, this gun too was ultimately a failed experiment, and only four QSP revolvers were made.
So, in the end, tunnel rats mostly ended up using an M1911A1, a knife, and an angled handheld flashlight when they went into the darkness—and whatever other sidearms they could scrounge.
Because they weren't as loud, didn't produce as much flash, and were more resistant to being dragged through the muddy tunnels cut into the Vietnam jungle than M1911s, .38 revolvers were most prized among tunnel rats, who also used cut-down M1 Carbines, if possible. Some even had machinists construct custom suppressors and a number of tunnel rats used personal weapons, including everything from small automatics to sawed-off shotguns, according to smallarmsreview.com.
- A replica of the QSP revolver, also designed by Smith & Wesson for use by tunnel rats.
>> No. 105514 ID: f09958
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Enter the AAI Corporation. Six years after first exploring piston-cartridges, the Army hired the Baltimore company to build a dedicated “tunnel weapon.”
AAI’s gun was a modified .44-caliber Smith and Wesson revolver. The weapon fired piston cartridges loaded with 15 steel pellets, making it a miniature shotgun. The Army quickly sent 10 of the unique revolvers and almost 1,000 rounds of ammunition to South Vietnam for tests.
While intended for tunnel-scouting soldiers, the 23rd and 25th Infantry Divisions both handed the weapons over to their Ranger units. Special Forces soldiers reportedly got some of the guns, as well.
“The tunnel weapon was found to be ideally suited for ambushes,” the final evaluation report says. As originally expected, the elite troops used their silent guns on various occasions to ambush and kill enemy officers. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/u-s-commandos-hunted-the-viet-cong-with-silent-revolvers-8f6cc5cfc731
>> No. 105515 ID: f09958
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>>105464
Another example of an early captive piston cartridge, in this case a .44 caliber shotshell containing 15 pellets, specifically made for clearing out tunnels in Vietnam.
>> No. 105521 ID: f09958
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What kind of weapon would you carry for clearing out tunnels?
>> No. 105522 ID: f09958
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Or just use a GI 1911?
- A squad leader from alpha company, 1st battalion, 5th Mechanized Infantry of the 25th Infantry Division, checks a tunnel entrance before entering it to search for Viet Cong and their equipment, during Operation "Cedar Falls" in the HoBo woods, 25 miles North of Saigon on 24 January 1967.
>> No. 105523 ID: f09958
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Operation "Oregon," a search and destroy mission conducted by an infantry platoon of Troop B, 1st Reconnaissance Squadron, 9th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile), three kilometers west of Duc Pho, Quang Ngai Province. An infantryman is lowered into a tunnel by members of the reconnaissance platoon. Photograph taken 24 April 1967
>> No. 105531 ID: 1989a8
>>105523
>black guy goes in first
lul
>> No. 105532 ID: f09958
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>>105531
Sounds ideal for clearing out tunnels.
Imagine the fear of confronting a black US soldier, blacker than Miles Davis, in a pitch black tunnel.
>> No. 105533 ID: f09958
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Man, I went to the south entrance to check out the noise and I swear it was a jazz trumpet I heard. Investigating further, I saw these eyes light up in the darkness, and then this dark black face. I swear it was Miles fuckin' Davis right there in the tunnel! After I shit myself, I had to didi mao the hell out of there!
>> No. 105534 ID: f09958
  Miles Davis - In A Silent Way ( Full Album ) https://youtu.be/tSPuPYIK5-E
>> No. 105550 ID: 2509fa
>>105532
That's actually really good logic.

Strategic as fuck.
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This. It's fucking brilliant.
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