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105425 No. 105425 ID: 1989a8
Has any of you used H&K P2000 irl? How do you like it?
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>> No. 105427 ID: c3b8cf
>>105425
I've shot one in .40, but it was 5+ years ago. Felt like a small USP, more or less. Don't remember much more about it one way or another.

It is nice that you don't need an adapter for the rail like the USP though.
>> No. 105428 ID: 1989a8
>>105427
What about that weird magazine release in the trigger guard? Doesn´t look too convenient.
>> No. 105485 ID: c3b8cf
>>105428

Typical on many Walther and HK pistols. Takes awhile to get used to, but once you do, it's great. I do prefer the longer length paddles, like on a Walther P99, however.
>> No. 105525 ID: bf333d
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105525
I've used that on a P30L and it too some getting used to. Theoretically, it has some advantages, but personally I still prefer the conventional thumb mag release.
But I don't feel it's a deal breaker in choosing a gun.
>> No. 105537 ID: 5bf26c
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105537
>>105428
I'm a big fan of the HK VP9. I shoot it in 3-gun competition and it fucking rocks.

The magazine release on the VP works great. It's really the same motion as a push button, just a little more downward. The older HK guns (USP and P2000) have a rocker that's the whole width of the trigger guard. I had an issue where the meat on my middle finger would get pinched when inserting a magazine. The VP mag catch is only the outside, and the trigger guard protects your middle finger meats.

Pictured is some airshit, but it clearly shows how the magazine catch is designed.
>> No. 105570 ID: 1989a8
>>105525
>>105537
The more I look at it the more sense it makes to me.
What abou Sig P250? I know the company is kinda in hot water now with P320 but how is the older design. Anybody tried it, maybe carried it. If so, did you go with .357 Sig?
>> No. 105571 ID: f2172d
>>105570

The P250 feels great in the hand, but has a very long DAO trigger pull. If you like it then it's great, but if you don't, pass. Aside from drop safety issues, the P320 is superior in every way.

Sig .357 is a slowly dying cartridge, IMO, but that's just a rough observation on my end.
>> No. 105572 ID: c3b8cf
>>105571
>the P320 is superior in every way
clarification, the trigger on the P320 is superior to the P250 in every way, aside from if the P320 is dropped and it lands in the wrong position and discharges. yeesh.
>> No. 105573 ID: 5bf26c
  >>105570
I borrowed a Sig 250 from a buddy to really try it out. My conclusion was "Meh". The DAO kinda suxorz, and as a polymer framed gun, there's better options. I like the 320 much better, but as ac556guy said, the drop safety thing is an issue right now. Once that's resolved, I might pick up a P320 X-Five for shiggles.

With all of these guns, your best bet is to shoot one. Either if you know someone that has one, or by renting one at a range.

> If so, did you go with .357 Sig?

Nothing says, "I don't know anything about guns" like asking if .357 Sig is a viable cartridge. It's a fad caliber necked down from another fad caliber. I don't mean to be disparaging about that, I think you're doing the right thing by asking the question first, but damn. .357 Sig is interesting by being loud as fuck and shooting fire. Maybe it would do better with more barrel, but I don't know.

The short answer on handgun caliber choices is: They all suck equally. Get a 9mm gun for more ammo capacity and less cost. Modern defensive rounds do a pretty good job of making badguys assume room temperature quickly. And the more you have, the better.
>> No. 105596 ID: 1989a8
>>105573
Lol, that fireball is huge. I remember glock had some .45 caliber load. I think they called it ".45 GAP" for "Glock Automatic Pistol". It was a bit shorter but apparently had the same energy, dunno if it went anywher. Haven't heard much about it for a while.
>> No. 105598 ID: 821a29
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105598
>>105425
nope but my first gun was a USPc. worst mistake of my life. took me almost a year to find a scrub to sell it too. got a Glock then and never looked back.

>>105573
.357 Sig is great, especially considering the irony when it takes Glock to make a good gun for it. if given the choice, I'd still always go with 10mememeter.
>> No. 105618 ID: c3b8cf
>>105596
.45GAP still exists, you can find ammo online. Glock also shows the G37, G38, and G39 on their website.
>> No. 105679 ID: 753e79
>>105425

I've used just about every polymer HK except for the Mk23 and VP70.

P2000 is ok, .40 is shit. If you're going to buy a .40, buy a USP.
>> No. 105680 ID: f5c3ed
>>105618
>.45GAP still exists, you can find ammo online.

My local Cabela's sells it, along with a fair amount of gun stores in NY because state troopers carry it.
>> No. 105681 ID: 1989a8
>>105679
Dude, I wish I could buy any hangun even a Hi-Point but our laws don't let civillians have real handguns. Only less lethal "traumatic" models and you still have to jump through hoops to get one. So I can only start threads asking about guns I saw in Counter-Strike :^)

>>105680
Is it actually true that it has the same performance? How do the troops like it.
>> No. 105684 ID: f5c3ed
>>105681
State troopers are state level police. I've never heard any complaints from my friend's cousin who has been a trooper for years. He was in since they were issuing Glock 17s.

Also what country are you from?
>> No. 105700 ID: 1989a8
>>105684
I'm from Russia, I should have bothered and got a shotgun permit as soon as I turned 18, could have gotten a rifle permit by now. Hindsight is always 20/20 tho.
>> No. 105701 ID: 8c18eb
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105701
>>105700
I have heard that people in Russia are mostly restricted to carrying "less-lethal" guns for personal protection such as rubber bullet guns like this Russian Wasp 18x45mm (around 12 gauge) rubber bullet pepperbox pistol.
This true?
What do you have to go through to own firearms in Russia and what can you get?
>> No. 105702 ID: 8c18eb
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>> No. 105703 ID: 8c18eb
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105703
Russian Makarych MP-471 10x23T 'less-lethal' pistol, a rubber bullet Makarov.
>> No. 105704 ID: 8c18eb
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105704
Some 'less-lethal' Russian 10x22T cartridges loaded with rubber balls by Techkrim.
>> No. 105706 ID: 1989a8
>>105701
It is true but they aren't a very good choice for defense, you could use one for intimidation or to hurt a dude in light clothing but a can of pepper spray/CS is probably better both at stopping a threat and being non-lethal.

Traumats have a nasty reputation of being pretty random in terms of their damage. You can shoot someone, he won't give a shit and still beat you up or you'll shoot a guy in some weird spot without any intention, he'll die and then you're fucked.

As for actual weapons, I don't remember it well but from the top of my head you can get them for sporting purposes like bullseye, IPSC, etc but you normally don't care about that because I don't think you get to take those guns home. Maybe they changed it, I'll look into it.

Or you can get a smoothbore license. It will require medical papers from your local prevention center that say you aren't a registered nutter and/or drug addict, papers that say you've had gun lessons, a fortified gun case in your residence, doesn't have to be a proper gun safe but it's better if it is one. Your local beat cop will have to OK the thing before you can buy your gun, iirc. Then you have to submit the gun to the police for them to inspect it, fire and register. Then you can have the bloody thing to go hunt or shoot bottles in your country house backyard.

Play with it for a year then go submit it again to be inspected and fired, you have to do that shit every year. After 5 years of owning a smoothbore you can get a rifle permit, the procedure is similar, iirc.

I've probably forgotten a bunch of steps but the whole thing is an huge ordeal costing you time and money so many people don't bother but then again, many do.
>> No. 105707 ID: 1989a8
>>105706
>Play with it for a year then go submit it again to be inspected and fired, you have to do that shit every year.

Was wrong, it's every 5 years. Also, you need a hunter's license/id but you get it once and forever and for free.
>> No. 105709 ID: 8c18eb
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105709
>>105706
Can you possess pistols (other than rubber bullet pistols) in Russia?

Special restrictions are imposed on the circulation of civilian weapons. Prohibited firearms are those with a cartridge capacity of more than ten bullets, those that can fire in bursts, those with a barrel length of less than 500 millimeters or an entire length under 800 millimeters, and those that can be shortened to a length of under 800 millimeters without losing their shooting capacity. Rifled-bore sporting guns and pneumatic guns with a pumping power of more than 7.5 joules and a caliber of more than 4.5 millimeters must be kept at shooting ranges. https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/russia.php#Acquisition

- Russian Makarych IZH-79-9T 9mm rubber bullet 8-shot, 2004.
>> No. 105715 ID: 1989a8
>>105709
Not realistically. You either have to get a commendation pistol, or get an antique one or a replica of one. It has to be a model produced before 1899 and it can't use a uniform cartridge.

You can also go to a shooting range and give them money for a pistol that will be reserved personally for you at that range, but you can't carry it or keep at home.
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