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106329 No. 106329 ID: 241b9d
So, the Stryk B just hit the shelves in Euroland.

It's an evolution of the Arsenal Strike One, which did rather poorly before. It's main selling point was herping about low barrel axis (and thus low barrel climb), but the biggest issue was the trigger which was lackluster at best. They eventually released drop in trigger replacements which should be OK.

The Stryk B was made in collaboration between Arsenal, Salient Arms and RUAG.
It's got a fairly novel locking system which allows for low barrel axis, but other than that it's mostly just a strikerfired polymer wondernine with some fancy "gripmapping" and an enhanced trigger.

I've got a 9X19 permit I need to fill by the end of the month, or I lose it. So I may just get one.
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>> No. 106330 ID: 241b9d
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Due to the way it locks, there's little barrel movement (and virtually no tilt).

There was also a Stryk A planned, which is the full sized version, but I haven't heard much about that anymore. They're probably focusing on the compact for now.

https://arsenalfirearms.eu/en/strykb/
>> No. 106331 ID: fbd607
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There are plenty of really good 9mm handguns to choose from. For European pistols, the Walther PPQ is renowned for having terrific accuracy, reliability and a very short and crisp trigger. Some say it's trigger is just copied from a Gen 4 Glock 17 or 19 (but all of these pistols are top-rated). The Sig Sauer P226 is a good choice or go for the CZ-75 SP-01 Shadow Target II for a more high performance model that won't break the bank.

- Gun Review: Walther PPQ M2 (5″ Slide)
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/joe-grine/walther-ppq-m2-5-inch-slide/
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>> No. 106333 ID: fbd607
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>> No. 106335 ID: fbd607
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Disassembly is very much like a GLOCK, except slightly more simple. Like a GLOCK, the striker must be in a decocked position, which requires that you pull the trigger on an empty chamber. That may count as my third “quibble,” since it is not an ideal situation. Nonetheless, I’ve managed to go 22 years without AD’ing my GLOCK prior to disassembly, so maybe it’s not too difficult to remember.

In any event, once you decock the striker, you simply pull down on the take down catch and the slide can be removed to the front. The take down catch is much more simple to manipulate than the two small levers found on a GLOCK. The barrel and captured mainspring can quickly be removed without any effort.
>> No. 106336 ID: fbd607
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Speaking of aesthetics, the sleek, svelte lines of the Walther PPQ slide make the blocky boxy GLOCKs, Kahrs, and Springfield XDs look like something made out of Legos. The PPQ’s slide is more narrow at the top than where it meets the frame. As it should be. Add to that the aggressive angled slide serrations on both the front and the back of the slide, and you’ve got one very good-looking, shark-like pistol. So good, in fact, it looks like HK just copied its basic look with their VP-9.

When [the reviewer] reviewed the Walther PPX, [he] decried it a bit for being “plump.” Not so with the PPQ: place it next to its porky sister and the PPQ M2 looks like a supermodel.
>> No. 106337 ID: fbd607
  Walther PPQ https://youtu.be/D_QhiTa-7OA
>> No. 106338 ID: fbd607
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Another similar European striker-fired 9mm is the HK VP9.
Review here:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/08/jeremy-s/gun-review-hk-vp9/
>> No. 106339 ID: fbd607
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>> No. 106340 ID: fbd607
  Gun Review: HK VP9 https://youtu.be/4Z_VMqvocfU
>> No. 106341 ID: af806f
  And if you want to go bigger, sacrificing three rounds in the magazine, there's the...
Walther PPQ .45 ACP https://youtu.be/oqQed5169zw
>> No. 106342 ID: 241b9d
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Not interested in the PPQ or PPX.
And the VP9... I tried the P30 before, and I really wanted to like it, but it just didn't feel right. The VP9 is unlikely to be any better.
>> No. 106343 ID: b85820
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>>106342
If it does not feel right, keep looking around. I did not like the feel of my SIG-Sauer P.220 single-column 7-round .45 ACP, but the feel of my Tanfoglio Witness double-column 10-shot felt much better (my 15-shot FNP-45 feels fine if it doesn't melt in the sun), even though many people deride double-column .45s as feeling like gripping the wrong end of a baseball bat. Some people discover the feel of an old Luger or Hi-Power was perfect for them instead of these modern plastic frame pistols.
- Drake's Belgian FN Browning Hi-Power M1935 9x19mm.
>> No. 106344 ID: b85820
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Who knows, maybe your best fit compatibility is with this South African Vektor CP1 single stack 9mm space gun?
>> No. 106345 ID: b85820
  Vektor CP1 9mm South African Semi Auto (Remington R51 Styling) Overview - Texas Gun Blog https://youtu.be/DZdVMu_Fg9A
>> No. 106346 ID: 684f0e
  4K Review: Vektor CP1 - does South Africa have a space program...? https://youtu.be/nXZ4Mztpx-4
If not for its utterly sci-fi looks securing its popularity in Hollywood, the Vektor CP1 would be a forgotten and unloved 9mm from South Africa thanks to a safety recall in the early 2000s. This is a shame, in my opinion, because it isn't just a looker, it's also an excellent shooter and very enjoyable at the range, with surprisingly decent build quality to boot. Its unwavering dedication to looking like Mission: Mars 2050 may have it giving up something in the ergonomics and handling departments, but I still think they deserve a place in the collections of shooters looking for a 9mm that's both an interesting conversation piece and fun to use.
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>>106344

The short list I made with "interesting" 9x19s included the Vektor SP1, not the CP1. :)

Other than that:
BHP SFS
Steyr M9A1/L9A1
Walther P5 Compact
Bernardelli P-018
>> No. 106348 ID: df12a0
>>106344
>>106345
>>106346
Is it ideal for a bughunt?
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>>106348
Hardly. Not even the VP70 was up to that task.
>> No. 106350 ID: 241b9d
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I bought it.

The "grip mapping" grip feels nice, a nice midway between aggressiveness and comfort.
Trigger is quite acceptable for a striker fired gun, though certainly not the best available. It has a tiny bit of creep when I first tried it out, but it already seems to be smoothing out very nicely. It's being consistent and predictable.
The trigger reset is short, to the point where you'll need to watch out not to have accidental double taps.

Overall fit & finish seems very nice, and is the reason I decided to just buy it.

I expected it to be made in Italy at Arsenal, but it says "Made in Germany". I wonder who is making them. The only german address in the manual is RUAG Ammotec's HQ, but as far as I know they only produce ammo (such as GECO). The warranty address is RUAG though, so maybe they're expanding from ammo into actual firearms. RUAG, aside from ammo also does aerospace, armored vehicles, etc.
>> No. 106351 ID: 241b9d
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While mechanically interesting (low bore axis with non-tilting barrel and using multi-stage recoil springs) and ergonomically sound (gripmapping etc), it's probably not a gun I would consider carrying if it were legal here. The trigger has a pivot that acts like a glock safe action style thing, but I would not trust it one bit... It seems even more prone to go off than a Glock if your t-shirt or something accidentally gets in the trigger guard when re-holstering.
>> No. 106352 ID: 758a23
>>106351
Looks pretty sweet. Could you elaborate on the trigger "safety"?
>> No. 106354 ID: 241b9d
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>>106352
>Looks pretty sweet. Could you elaborate on the trigger "safety"?

If you look at the picture, the blue circle is the pivot point. The trigger cannot move back, unless the trigger first pivots on that point & then it can move back.
So first the trigger needs to swing around that axis is bit (for which pressure is very light) and then it can move back.

If you merely apply pressure straight back on the top of the trigger (red arrow), the trigger is blocked and cannot move. For a Glock trigger, this locking occurs when you don't pull the "paddle" into the main trigger. For the Stryk B, there is no separate paddle and the trigger itself is the safety.

Because the lower part of the trigger is very light, it is very unlikely for it to develop enough kinetic energy when dropped to make the gun go off (unlike what happened to the new Sig Sauer pistols). As such it is "drop safe" with this trigger. However, I wouldn't feel very at ease with it in terms of concealed carry etc because the slightest resistance from anything (say your holster bending or your t-shirt getting stuck) will effectively bring the pistol off safe by touching the power part of the trigger. You can always argue that since the gun won't fire unless the trigger is pulled, that it is inherently safe, but I think a lot of people would prefer an additional safety since there is little margin for error.

This gun is a range gun for me, so it's not an issue. But I would caution people that want to carry it concealed. Of course, with good best practices and solid holsters, this should not be an issue. But the margin for error becomes very slim.
>> No. 106355 ID: 241b9d
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The closest analog is the S&W M&P trigger, which is in two parts. Unless the lower part is pulled, the top part cannot move. But where the M&P is a visibly two piece design, the Stryk is a one piece trigger face.
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I have no love for the stock M&P and Glock triggers, but the Stryk feels pretty decent. That could in part be due to the semi-straight design of the trigger, since the perception of weight is entirely different from a rounded design.

I'll probably rent a Glock to shoot side by side today. I don't think the range has a Walther PPQ or Steyr M9A1/L1A1.
>> No. 106364 ID: 241b9d
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I'm am both impressed by the build quality and let down by my inability to shoot it as well as I'd hoped.
As a disclaimer, I am the first to admit that I'm not a match pistol shooter and that most likely due to shooting very good triggers, I may be getting spoiled and a lot of my errors are not punished severely when shooting my Sig Sauer X-Five, my Sphinx 2000 or my Beretta 87 Target. Switching to more "duty grade" striker fired triggers may result in bad results. This is likely my own fault and not a fault of the weapon in itself.

The good:
- No (non-user induced) malfunctions in the first 250 shots.
- Trigger reset is tactile & clear, easily felt (and usually heard on the range).
- Unlike what I had initially assumed testing reset by dry firing, there really is no danger of accidental double taps. The pull required after the reset is still significant.
- The grip is very comfortable and the grip mapping design really does a good job offering solid purchase on the grip without being obnoxiously course. And the beaver tail does its job well.
- The mag release is easy to reach & positive.
- The slide serrations are very positive & pleasant to handle.
- The fiber front sight is extremely visible, and in semi-low light.
- The rear sight is beefy and could easily be used to do a belt load if you had to do it single handedly.
- The sights are easily replaceable (dovetail rear & glock style front).

The bad:
- Recoil was initially stronger than I had expected, both due to the fact that I shoot fullsized metal frame pistols mostly and that there was so much marketing wank about the low recoil and low muzzle flip. Regardless of the snappy recoil, it is however quite controlable. I however doubt there's a whole lot of difference between the recoil of this weapon and say a Glock 19, even though the Stryk has a special recoil spring and different locking system. As you may have expected, there's no magical way to mitigate recoil.
- All four shooters trying the pistol were pulling shots low & left. None of us were "duty grade" pistol shooters though, so it's probably merely a training issue. I was shooting "IPSC A zone"-sized groups at 15m, but was unable to correctly call where shots would land within that zone. When shooting 25m shooting pistol targets, (too) frequently I shot low left flyers out of the black.
- Even when benched (shooting from a non-fixed pistol rest) the groups were still rather wide. Practical accuracy, not match grade by any stretch of the imagination. I get the feeling that this is a gun that's easy to shoot fast with "center of mass" accuracy, but not very easy to shoot point targets with.

The ugly:
- The non-adjustable sights need to be shot a lot higher than expected. I wasn't expecting a 6 o'clock olympic hold, but rather a "right on" sight picture. As I see it now, it requires more of an "over" sight picture (when shooting GECO 124gr FMJs), where your front and rear sight obscure the target and the red dot of the fiber optic is where the center of the target is. We had to bench the pistol to make sure our aiming point was correct and it wasn't us pulling the shots off target.
- The weapon has thumb serrations on the front part of the frame, but I question how exactly you're supposed to get there without completely pivoting your support had forward. I find myself resting my thumb near the takedown pin, not beyond it. This is making me wonder why they'd bother doing the texturing in front of the take down pin, but not before it. Of course there are people that like the pivoted support hand grip, but I'd say that those are not very common around here.
- A small amount of riding the slide forward when loading causes a failure to feed. We all realize that you shouldn't ride the slide forward when loading but in the 50 first reloads (I tend to do 5 round reloads), I did it three times. User error, of course, but it's worth noting because it seems to be more prone to it than my other pistols. This may be due to the low bore axis and shorter feed ramp? This is with 124gr FMJs, it is possible that the issue is more pronounced with JHPs. It's also possible that this becomes less of an issue after the gun wears a bit.

So what's the verdict?
I really want to like this pistol, because it seems well designed, well built, feels great and is mechanically interesting, but at the moment, I'm not shooting it very well. So I've got some training I need to do.
As a benchmark for all pistols and revolvers I own, I want to confidently be able to do the hostage target by taking out the hostage taker with a headshot at at least 15m (ideally 25m for slow aim) without endangering the hostage. I would NOT feel comfortable doing the "hostage" target with the Stryk B at this time.
>> No. 106366 ID: 758a23
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Cool review. I'd like to try one out.

> I wasn't expecting a 6 o'clock olympic hold, but rather a "right on" sight picture. As I see it now, it requires more of an "over" sight picture

I'd say over/behind the dot is the default sight picture for a combat gun, and I prefer it. I feel that a six-o-clock hold is only useful for a known distance and size target.
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Sight picture 1: Olympic shooting style, useless at anything but fixed distance shooting.
Sight picture 2: What I personally configure my guns with adjustable sights for. Most don't have dots though, they have black match sights.
Sight picture 3: What I needed to use for the Arsenal Stryk B. I can see the logic in it, but for practical/defensive shooting I'd suspect most people prefer to see more of their target. This obscures your target quite a lot.
>> No. 106409 ID: 241b9d
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Second outing with the pistol went great.

I can only conclude that the issues with shooting low left were all user induced (which we pretty much already knew, but it's nice to see it confirmed).

In the first 100 slow fire shots of today's shooting session, I only pulled one shot low left (just barely outside the black on an olympic 25m pistol target shot at 15m).
When I tried to shoot it fast (as in effectively mag dump), I started to string down hard, but that can safely be attributed to me snatching the trigger and anticipating recoil.

Quite happy with the results. It's obviously not X-Five accuracy, but it's quite acceptable now. With some more practice I'm confident that I can get acceptable results magdumping too.
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Dirty Stryk B before first cleaning. I found that the takedown instructions were written by someone that hasn't taken down this gun. It says to slightly push back the slide and push out the takedown pin. But it wouldn't budge very far for me that way (even after releasing the striker).
I however found that the easy way to do it is to simply lock back the slide, push the barrel as far rearward as possible and simply push out the takedown pin with little to no problems?
Weird that they wouldn't say that in the manual.
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>> No. 106413 ID: 241b9d
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Aside from the takedown pin issue, I didn't have any difficulty with fieldstripping it.

I didn't go "all the way", as I didn't remove the striker, but after 250-300 rounds in the first session, it's unlikely to be dirtying the striker channel.
>> No. 106414 ID: 241b9d
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I've heard the the locking block thingy is the part that most frequently breaks in the Strike One. Seems easy enough to replace.
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Trigger forward
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Trigger pulled
>> No. 106429 ID: ac3fb7
If you could buy only one striker fired pistol for military duty, would it be this?
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>>106429
its what the colt 1910s would look like after 100 years of "upgrades". this should answer your question. if not, the answer is NO.

>2017
>no RMR cut

poor sobs....
>> No. 106432 ID: 241b9d
>>106429
>If you could buy only one striker fired pistol for military duty, would it be this?

For military duty? No.

But I'm not really a striker fired guy, so I'd have a hard time picking something else for that purpose.
>> No. 106433 ID: 684f0e
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>>106430
For an evolved military-style 1911, there's the Gen 4 Austrian Glock 41 longslide in .45 ACP (here in Yeti Green).
https://us.glock.com/products/model/g41gen4
>> No. 106434 ID: 684f0e
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>> No. 106435 ID: 684f0e
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Here's a Glock 41 longslide .45 above the compact .380 (G43).
>> No. 106436 ID: 684f0e
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>> No. 106438 ID: 684f0e
  Glock 41 https://youtu.be/95YAUBUK4rA
>> No. 106439 ID: 684f0e
  Glock 41 Chapter 2 https://youtu.be/AUBPjomWcR4
Glock G41 Gen 4 Review: https://gundigest.com/reviews/glock-41-review-glock-rocks
Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 13+1
Magazines: One 13-round
Barrel: 5.31”
Sights: White dot front, white bracket rear
Frame: Matte polymer
Slide: Tenifer
Length: 8.9”
Height: 5.47”
Weight: 27 oz. unloaded/36 oz. loaded
Options: Interchangeable backstraps, magazine loader, cleaning rod and brush, case
MSRP: $775
>> No. 106453 ID: df3610
This is what I am a bit afraid of with the Stryk B's trigger design, though obviously this Zev example is taking it to extremes with the pin walking out:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/12/06/glock-triggered-holstered/


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