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106885 No. 106885 ID: 41441c
>The Pentagon recently released a report that shows testing of the M17 and M18 handguns exposed a number of significant and persistent deficiencies, including firing accidentally if a shooter dropped the gun, ejecting live ammunition, and low reliability with traditional "ball" cartridges with bullets enclosed inside a full metal jacket.
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>> No. 106887 ID: e0deaf
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As much as I hate the M17/M18, there is no rational reason to keep fielding the M9.
>> No. 106888 ID: 779a26
Nah, I run a Beretta

It's not a system designed to be used by people who are going to half ass it.

If you don't or aren't willing to train to manipulate it from the front, you're gonna have a bad time.

And the military still teaches handguns like everything is a 1911.

As far as I'm concerned, anything other than Beretta is going to make people learn any weapon system given to the military is going to have problems.
>> No. 106889 ID: 7fecba
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The SIG Sauer P320 is a further development of the P250 utilizing a striker-fired mechanism in lieu of a double action only hammer system. On January 19, 2017, it was announced that a customized version of the SIG Sauer P320 had won the United States Military XM17 Modular Handgun System competition. The full sized model will be known as the M17 and the carry sized model will be known as the M18. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P320
>> No. 106890 ID: 7fecba
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Modular Handgun System Procurement XM17 - When the requirements were formulated for a new handgun for the US Army one of the tenants of the proposal was that an existing model handgun was desired to fulfill the requirements laid out in the Modular Handgun System Request for Proposal, known as the XM17 Procurement. Sig Sauer submitted a P320 with a number of modifications and submitted them for the XM17 Modular Handgun System competition.
Modifications include:
* Slide cut out to facilitate the addition of a reflex sight. (This is the slide from the RX Series) [9]
* Ambidextrous thumb safety
* Loaded chamber indicator
* Improved slide sub-assembly to capture small components when disassembled
* Improved trigger "mud flap" to prevent foreign debris from entering the pistol action
* 4.7" 120 mm barrel length in full size M17
* 3.9" 98 mm barrel length in compact M18
* chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum(can be adapted to fire larger calibers like .357 SIG and .40 S&W)
* Pistols chambered in 9mm can feature a 17-round magazine in standard with optional 21-round extended magazines available.
>> No. 106891 ID: 7fecba
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The M17 replaces the M9 pistol, the standard Army sidearm since 1986. The M18 is a compact version of the M17.

"That's pretty dated technology," said Lt. Col. Steven Power, project manager Soldier Weapons, individual weapons product manager. "The specific performance improvements from MHS over the M9 include better accuracy, tighter dispersion, and better ergonomics, which combined result in a far more lethal pistol."

The new handguns also have an external safety, self-illuminating sights for low-light conditions, an integrated rail for attaching enablers and an Army standard suppressor conversion kit to attach an acoustic/flash suppressor.

The M17 and M18 pistols are manufactured by Sig Sauer, who earned the $580 million contract to produce the weapons in January after winning the Army and Air Force's modular handgun competition. https://www.army.mil/article/197497/101st_airborne_division_fields_armys_new_modular_handgun_system
>> No. 106892 ID: 9dcda2
  (Pistol spinner at 0:34)

> manipulate it from the front

That exposed barrel can get pretty warm.

The Beretta M9 is a serviceable gun, but it's pretty far down on my list. I have a Beretta 96 Elite II, which ain't bad, but I got it just for shiggles.

M9 Pros:
> It's a gun
> shoots decent
> 15 round capacity

> huge and heavy-ish
> big grips
> not modular (no suppressor, grips, front sight, red dot, pic rail)
> DA/SA (so 1985)
> slide mounted safety that gets in the way
> accuracy could be better
> could have more ammo, 17-20 becoming common

There are plenty of great polymer frame striker fired guns available. Glocks are acceptable. The HK VP9 is my waifu. The Sig 320 would be alright if Sig could get their shit together. CZ P09 is alright. Etc...

I shot a Sig 226 for many years, both the standard, the Navy, and the X-Five, and just don't care to deal with the weight (Al or CRES frames) or the DA/SA or SA triggers. Pistol spinners ain't shit with the VP9.
>> No. 106893 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106894 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106895 ID: 7fecba
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The 4.7" (120mm) barrel length in the full size M17 & 3.9" (98mm) barrel length in the compact M18 model.
>> No. 106896 ID: bd9939
Gee, it's almost like $207 per unit should have raised some red flags.

I remember when the drop safe thing first happened, we took a random 320 in the back for fun and it literally would dry fire by being dropped gently 6 inches on to a rubber mat on the floor about 75% of the time. Regardless of where it hit. Fucking unreal.

I'm all about budget options, but that doesn't mean they should start issuing Ruger Americans, SD9's or 320's.

The M9 is also mediocre, but at least it's serviceable. Should stick with what works before rushing to some terrible solution that we're stuck with for the foreseeable future.
>> No. 106899 ID: fb3bdd
>Gee, it's almost like $207 per unit should have raised some red flags.
Yup. What's always the first thing to go? QC and extra engineering time and testing.
>> No. 106900 ID: 7fecba
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What would you like as a new pistol for the military?

In the US Army 1910 pistol trials, it came down with a detailed examination of the Colt M1910 and Savage Model H pistols; special attention was paid to the safety devices. Field strip and complete disassembly was performed and timed. The Colt was more readily dismounted for field stripping. On the other hand, the Savage could be completely disassembled in less time than the Colt. The Colt was listed as having 64 separate components, including the magazine; the Savage had 45 components. In the next examination, the velocity at 25 feet was obtained: 858.4 f/s for the Colt, 846 f/s for the Savage. In the accuracy trial, the Colt proved better than the Savage by shooting an average group of 1.94″ compared to 2.84″ for the Savage. In the combined accuracy-rapidity tests the Colt was faster and more accurate than the Savage. An exhaustive endurance trial was now performed. 6000 rounds were to be fired from each weapon where the Colt proved more reliable and enduring. https://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/M1911_Trials.htm

The Savage Model 1907 is a semi-automatic pocket pistol produced by the Savage Arms Company of Utica, New York, from 1907 until 1920 in .32 ACP and from 1913 until 1920 in .380 ACP caliber. Although smaller in size, it is derived from the .45 semi-automatic pistol Savage submitted to the 1906-1911 US Army trials to choose a new semi-automatic sidearm. After several years of testing the Savage pistol was one of two finalists but ultimately lost to the Colt entry, which became famous as the Colt Model 1911. 181 of these .45 ACP pistols were returned to Savage after the testing and sold on the civilian market.

Although the Model 1907 was designed for civilian use, the French government purchased over 40,000 .32 ACP Model 1907s between late 1914 and 1917 for the French military in World War I. These military "contract" pistols are recognized by the presence of a loaded chamber indicator and a lanyard ring, or mounting holes in the grip for a lanyard ring; lanyard rings were not available on civilian pistols. The Savage Model 1907 pictured to the right is a French contract pistol. A much smaller contract of 1,150 pistols in the same configuration were purchased by Portugal, which are distinguished by grips bearing the lesser arms of Portugal instead of the standard Indian head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Model_1907
>> No. 106901 ID: 7fecba
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US Savage Model 1907 in .45 ACP with a 5 1/8 inch barrel, US Army test pistol.
>> No. 106902 ID: 7fecba
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German Eagle Luger DWM Model 1900 used in the US Test Trials with an Ideal shoulder stock.
>> No. 106903 ID: 7fecba
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German Luger in .45 ACP & Colt M1905, for the 1907 report on testing.
>> No. 106904 ID: 7fecba
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German Luger .45 from the 1907 trials, bought for a million dollars in 1989.
>> No. 106905 ID: 7fecba
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US Remington Model 53 pistol in .45 ACP (11.43mm) for the 1917 Navy trials.
>> No. 106906 ID: 7fecba
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Rare U.S. Trials Colt Model 1907 Army Contract Semi-Automatic Pistol
This is an exceptional example of a rare Colt Model 1907 .45 ACP U.S. Army contract pistol, the design of which was one of only 201 pistols manufactured, all of which, except one, were shipped to Springfield Armory to be issued for troop tests with the U.S. Cavalry. These pistols were serial numbered in their own range, #1 to #201. This pistol design, like all the Model 1907 pistols were issued for cavalry troop trials and delivered in March 1908, to the Springfield Armory. The pistols in the 101 to 201 serial number range were equipped with a grip safety, narrower ejection port than serial number 1 to 100 and externally visible chamber indicator. Looking at the pistol one can see the initial beginnings of the design changes that would eventually evolve into the Model 1911 pistol. This specific pistol is accompanied by a Colt Factory letter dated December, 1986 verifying the serial number, caliber, 5" barrel, blue finish with grips "Not Listed" and that it was shipped to the U.S. Government, Commanding Officer, Springfield Armory, Springfield Ma., on March 17, 1908 in a shipment of 200 pistols. The remarks state that records indicate a modified hammer, vertical ingestion, auto indicator to show chamber is loaded, straightened stirrup, longer stirrup pin, no indication of a lanyard loop, and that the "KM" initials are for Major Kenneth Morton, the U.S. inspector of Colt Model 1905 .45 pistols during the period of 1907-1908. The left side of the slide is marked: "PATENTED/ APR.20.1897. SEPT.9.1902." in a two line block followed by: "COLT'S MFG. CO./ HARTFORD. CT. U.S.A" in two lines. There is a faint, partially visible marking between the two blocks. The right side of the slide is marked: "AUTOMATIC COLT/ CALIBRE 45 RIMLESS SMOKELESS" in two lines ahead of and below the ejection port. The left side of the frame has the serial number "126" located above the trigger guard bow and the front of the trigger guard bow is stamped with the "K.M." initials of Ordnance Inspector Major Kenneth Morton. The right forward trigger bow is marked with the factory rework mark "K". The pistol has the high polish Colt commercial blue finish with casehardened hammer. The extractor and some screws have a niter blue finish and the grips are checkered walnut with small diamonds surrounding the screw escutcheons. The magazine is unmarked and has a high polish blue finish. The field trials of the Colt Model 1907 Army Contract pistols were an important step in the development of the Model 1911 Pistol and its adoption by the U.S. Army. The Model 1907 Army Contract Pistols are among the rarest and most desirable of all Colt semi-automatic pistols and are not seen at public sale very often. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/52/3750/colt-1907
>> No. 106907 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106908 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106909 ID: 7fecba
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One of the Colt 1907 trials guns, of which a total of 207 were assembled — 200 to meet the contractual requirements, and 7 overruns/floats (these protected Colt from being short if a few guns were screwed up during manufacture. However, some sources say only 201 1907s were assembled).

"Colt 1907 .45 ACP caliber pistol. Rare model 1907 U.S. Government Contract, with factory letter. Gun has 90-93% blue on frame (Serial #96). Slide has a blue mixed with light brown patina. Grips are excellent. Frame is “K.M” marked by Major Kenneth Morton. The first 200 guns were shipped to Springfield Armory. There were 7 overrun pistols. Total of 207 guns made. This is very desirable for the Colt auto collector as well as being a martial Colt auto. Very rare Colt."

This one isn’t a GunBroker special, it’s for sale at Collectors Firearms in Houston, but the asking price suggests it’s for the advanced Colt or martial collector: $31,500. http://weaponsman.com/?p=19838
>> No. 106910 ID: 7fecba
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A significant developmental iteration of the Colt M1900, the M1907 was submitted to the 1907 US Pistol & Revolver Trials, and was sent to various cavalries and squads for testing in 1908; 207 M1907s were made, with 200 for testing and 7 "overflow" pistols which were backups in case one of the 200 mucked up. Unfortunately, the M1907s were plagued with lots of reliability problems such as breakages of the sear and failures to eject, along with prejudice by various testers of the weapon who were already very used to using revolvers, to which Colt responded to each of those complaints.

Other than that, Colt kept coercing the testing committees that the pistols worked fine; this did not work out very well due to the obvious reliability faults and bias towards revolvers by the various testing committees. In 1909, Colt decided to take back all 200 pistols to the Springfield Armory for refinements and send them back for testing in batches.

One of the refinements made to this "batch" of pistols was an enlarged ejection port; this practically eliminated problems relating to ejection failures on this weapon. After refinements, these pistols were later sent back to the testing committee, which after some more testing, were starting to warm up to using a semi-automatic pistol as an infantry weapon as opposed to a revolver, though there was inevitably still some prejudice against these pistols.

The M1907 was one of two finalists in the 1907 trials, the other being the Savage Model 1907; while it was a close fight, the M1907 eventually won out and would later be redeveloped and redesigned into the M1911 pistol. After the trials, 185 of the original 200 M1907s were sent back to Springfield Armory as these were never meant to be actual production guns to be used in cavalries; presumably, the other 15 were cannibalized for parts or rendered inoperable and discarded.

After being sent back, the pistols were considered to be refurbished and refitted, but the Springfield Armory later on decided that it was not worth the trouble to do so, and as such, ended up selling all 185 pistols as a single batch at an auction; the winner was the Bannerman Company of New York, a famous surplus firearms dealer at the time, with a bid of $1644.44 (approximately $42,573.32 in 2017 USD), with Bannerman later selling these pistols; the original cost of these pistols was $25 and an additional $5 to refurbish them. Of the original 200, 5 pistols were used as prizes for marksmanship championships and were engraved with the shooter's name; at least one of those 5 is known to exist to day. http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Colt_M1907
>> No. 106911 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106912 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106920 ID: 1dec8f
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This is what I mean.
Indexing your pinky on the narrow portion of the slide and placing your thumb on the serrations negates the whole slide safety thing.

But it takes a ton more training, although it aids me in running literally anything else.

I have another couple pics I'll post up that show my hand isnt making any direct contact with the barrel.

I'm gonna argue the accuracy bit, as I've had 3 inch groups at 15 with this exact pistol when seated and relaxed.
I spent about 4 rounds before I rang steel at 300m
To be honest I see the accuracy being a user thing entirely though my sights are fixed, which is shit and antiquated.

As far as mag capacity, Beretta ships 17s with the M9A3 and 92A1s.
Mecgar has flush fit 18 rounder and 20s with a slight extension.
Or you can have a 30 round stendo.

Not sure why you're under the impression that can't be fixed by just replacing magazines even though the army screwed the pooch by running checkmate mags to begin with.

Topic of weight, half the dipshits bitching about pistols want 1911s back or Sigs.

Which are literally a couple ounces more.

That argument always confuses me when put together with the exposed barrel complaint.

>Its heavy
>Its missing half the slide

DA/SA I agree with though, striker or single action, because the military isn't trying to train you to be good at pistol shooting, they're just trying to get you to get rounds out with some kind of repeatability.

It's legit not modular at all.
Pisses me off to no end.
The M9A1 was great, the marine corps fucking nailed that purchase.

But no RDS(I'm not a fan after pics of what they do in the rain) is kind of a downer.

Beretta fucking sucks as a company and the 92 is literally their only redeeming weapon system.
>> No. 106921 ID: 1dec8f
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Glock was absolutely correct in their assertion the tests were fucking rigged.

Pic is for prior post
>> No. 106922 ID: 1dec8f
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Last pic regarding the slide manipulation.

I ended up doing this exact pic set for FB when someone asked how I did it, considering I've ran this bucket since I was 15.

It's easily doable and it helped me not have to do some weird shit across each pistol I ever shoot.

I think the only pistol I have shit with on manipulation is CZ.
I basically have to be more conscious of the tiny slide with my thiccboi hands.
>> No. 106923 ID: 1dec8f
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92FS with MR11 and 18 round mag
M9A1 with integral pic rail and 20 round mag

Mecgar makes the same mags for sigs.

The 92FS is my AIWB/carry gun, the M9A1 was a reduction buffer in it, it's kind of my hell gun I guess

And I don't recommend 92 variants to people who are going to half ass things.
So I can't honestly say it should be in an armory because most of the officers I've met barely gave a shit about doing shit right anyway.

It's complicated to run well and yeah it's heavier than any modern striker.

But hey, my life is complicated and heavy as fuck, so I deal with it. Though I'm legitimately on a quest to find a sidearm I'm more confident with and just as effective with.

No luck so far.

My girlfriends P30 almost won, but the stupid fucking trench in the trigger guard and only 15 round mags is a bit of a fucking handicap for me.

The Rex Zero 1 was fucking awesome, not a fan of not having a 6 o clock hold with my sight, and it felt kind of blocky.

I'm gonna have to shoot the comp model to see if the rounded grips work any better.

I really wish we adopted that thing, because they literally untucked Sigs stupid was control pattern. (Who the fuck puts the slide lock/release where your thumb is always going to sit? You can't even say it's because shooting was different back then, the 1911 thumb safety was placed there so you'd auto off the thing, and the Beretta forces the same high grip so you auto off the safety there too)
>> No. 106924 ID: 1dec8f
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>not releasing a classic edition with thumb safety to get more sales

Lol fuck you Beretta.
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>> No. 106926 ID: 9dcda2
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> Gee, it's almost like $207 per unit should have raised some red flags.

Ha. Oh fuck.


> That argument always confuses me when put together with the exposed barrel complaint.

>Its heavy
>Its missing half the slide

And it's still heavy. 34 oz according to wiki. The Sig 226 is about the same but has a covered barrel. The polymer frame guns all come in around 24 oz. (Including the PX4.) Way lighter than steel frame guns like the 1911 tho.

> This is what I mean.

Yeah, and that's doable. One thing InRangeTV mentioned with their WWSD rifles, is that a good system just fades away from your perception. It just works, and you don't have to think about it.

> And I don't recommend 92 variants to people who are going to half ass things. So I can't honestly say it should be in an armory because most of the officers I've met barely gave a shit about doing shit right anyway. It's complicated to run well and yeah it's heavier than any modern striker.

Yeah, exactly.

Check out the VP9. The paddle magazine release works great. I've fucked with every gun I could get my hands on, and the VP works for me.
>> No. 106927 ID: 1dec8f
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Man, I honestly want to love the VP9, it has the same mags and triggerwell trench though as the P30.
After a couple boxes of ammo my index finger is bleeding on the side.

I need ambi paddle releases to be more popular immediately.
80 bucks a mag physically pains me, and the only thing upward of 15 is the extended baseplates.

It kind of makes me feel dumb to go backwards on flush fit mags from 18 to 15.

Oh and the Px4 cycles like a wetsponge and damp towel with pop rocks.

I almost wound up with a PPQ at one point, especially now that they're doing a lot more with it option wise.

Man you know how long it's been since I've talked with people who can know all kinds of stuff?

I missed opchan
>> No. 106928 ID: 1dec8f
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Swear on me mum, I'll fight this frame mounted surfboard.

This is the beef I have with Sig.
The slide will never lock back unless I get goofy with my grip and curl my thumb in.
>> No. 106929 ID: 7fecba
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Pretty much any of the 9mm pistols in this old discussion would be good for the military:
Arsenal Stryk B, Walther PPQ, HK VP9, Steyr M9A1/L9A1, Walther P5 Compact, Bernardelli P-018, or any good Glock will do.
Personally, for a plastic space gun in an unusual load, I like the FN Five-seveN, but you certainly can't get them for $200 and the 5.7x22mm ammo is expensive.

The FN Five-seveN® pistol was developed in the early 1990s and features a cold hammer-forged barrel that is chrome-lined for extended service life. The polymer-framed FN Five-seveN® offers single-action operation, low felt recoil, 20-round magazine capacity, and is equipped with an ambidextrous, forward-mounted manual safety, and an accessory rail that accepts tactical lights and lasers. https://fnamerica.com/products/pistols/fn-five-seven/
- All-black FN Five-seveN USG pistol surrounded by twenty FN 5.7×28mm cartridges—the contents of a standard magazine. In this image, the pistol is equipped with an extended magazine that has a capacity of 30 rounds.
>> No. 106930 ID: 7fecba
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But what's the best US-made 9mm handgun?
Five Best American 9mm Autos Under $600

The Ruger American or SR9, Springfield XD(M) competition series, and Smith and Wesson M&P 9 M2.O or their S&W Military and Police line might make good military pistols.
>> No. 106931 ID: 7fecba
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Or perhaps none of these pistols are significantly better than the Beretta M9 9x19mm service pistol to justify changing to something different.
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>> No. 106954 ID: 9dcda2
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>> No. 106955 ID: 9dcda2
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It is no longer 2009, my friend. Mags, foty five bux.

The VP9 trigger is different. It looks like the shape is less hooked and has the requisite dingus that striker fired guns have.

>>106953 full pull.
>>106954 surf board mitigated

I actually shoot with my right thumb down. I've tried the thumbs forward thing, but (being a sig shooter) I always had problems with it. Also it's easier to transition to shooting one handed if your thumb is already in the usual spot. Right hand, like the picture. Left hand, crush the right hand, thumb floating in space. I don't do the 64.5% right and 21.2% left and 14.3% as The Emperor wills.

My handgun shooting advice is pretty straightforward:
Right hand = TIGHT. Left hand = TIGHT. Now DRY FIRE PRACTICE A LOT. (Between rounds of Battlefield.)

I also always shoot with gloves, mainly to protect my girly hands. (I always wear gloves at work, so it's abnormal not to wear gloves while handling metal things.)

I shoot as many different guns as possible, so there's a few things I do differently between models.
Use left thumb to hit slide release: USP, CZ pistols, and 1911s
Use right thumb to hit slide release: VP9, Sigs
Slingshot to release slide: Glocks and pocket pistols
Hard mag insert to release slide: VP9, Berettas, M&Ps
Thumbs forward grip: 1911s
Decock: HK hammer guns, Sigs, D model CZ guns, G model Berettas
Decock then unsafe: Standard beretta safety
Decock in a safe direction: S&W Walther PPKs before recall (specifically)
Rotate my wrist to an unnatural angle: Glocks and Lugers
Load with CLIPS: Mauser C96

>> No. 106956 ID: 1dec8f
I think I have longer digits than you do fam.

Also I usually get to press onto the grip so I get downward mitigation of recoil if I have to shoot one handed.

Its not too pronounced.
I'm not the Gloccboi "LEMME GETTUP IN DAT"
with it because that usually winds up causing wild ass downward hops with me.

I can generally run just about anything, I just have to be conscious of what issues I'm going to have.
1911s are weak ass capacity and the slight twist to drop mags.

Old HK no prob
New HK, add bandaid to index pad and be critical of eyeballing mag if I lose count.
Sig, just that last part of new HK
CZ I can telepathically summon a 9x19 in whatever I want.
But fuck that slide, that gun is a fucking laser in my hand though.
Hands too big, I end up grabbing the frame and almost break my own wrist.
Glock, tilt self forward and bitch a lot.
PPQ? Don't ride the reset.
Or the range master gets all concerned and shit.
M&Ps are love, they just don't do anything the Beretta doesn't for me, I love being able to manicure my hands with the 2.0s though.
>> No. 106957 ID: 1dec8f
That being said, I just realized I haven't mentioned the new gats since I left.

I have a 686, a Rossi snub .357 I forget the numbers on, 92SB, the M9A1 and 92FS still being the maim carry, a S&W Shield 9, the Sig GSG1911.

Girlfriend has a P30, one of those lol .25 babby Berettas because it was adorable and like 125, and that stupid Px4 we both hate but she had to buy because she didn't listen to me.

Collection is rounding out a bit.
Hopefully I run into something that does 18 or 20 rounds, is accurate as fuck and has reversible mag release and can have a WML on it, with a holster.

Fuck this new everything ambi both sides shit.

I'm tired of dealing with left hand controls when lefty shooters have it easier to begin with.
>> No. 106959 ID: 7fecba
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>I'm tired of dealing with left hand controls when lefty shooters have it easier to begin with.
An Original Remington 1911 - This is kind of cool. At the Remington product seminar we were introduced to an original, Remington 1911 from the Remington museum. This is the gun that was used as a design sample for the first version of the Remington 1911 R1. It is shown with a box of Anniversary 1911, .45 Auto ammunition that is available from Remington. https://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/an-original-remington-1911/
>> No. 106960 ID: 7fecba
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For 2012 Remington will be offering a stainless version of their R1, 1911 in .45 Auto. https://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/stainless-remington-r1/
>> No. 106961 ID: 7fecba
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This Pistol Has Fought in Every American War for a Century
The 1911 is one of the most notorious handguns in history and easily the most famous in America, having seen action in every U.S. conflict since World War I. One of the most successful product designs ever, the 1911 has achieved something rare in the world of machines: immortality. Over a hundred years old, it remains largely unchanged.

What Apple is to consumer electronics, John Browning was to late 19th and early 20th century firearms. The 1911 is his most famous design. The typical 1911 is 8.25 inches from tip to tail and weighs 2.49 pounds empty — about as much as a trade paperback book. The 1911 is made of steel, steel and more steel, and takes a magazine that holds seven bullets.

The 1911 has seen service in World War I, Mexico, Haiti, Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic (twice), Lebanon, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam, Iran, Grenada, Panama, the Gulf War, the Iraq War and Afghanistan. It has chased bad men from Pancho Villa to Osama Bin Laden.

Minor adjustments have been added here and there, but the general appearance and function of the gun has largely been left unchanged. The 1911 is the personification — among weapons, anyway — of what architect Louis Sullivan termed “form follow[ing] function.” The 1911 was not designed to be beautiful; it was designed to be useful. Ergonomically everything is where it should be for maximum efficiency. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/this-pistol-has-fought-in-every-american-war-for-a-century-dacf4034458c
>> No. 106962 ID: 7fecba
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It would be... interesting if the 1911 fanboys in the US Army decided to replace the Beretta with a Colt M1911. Something like a Colt Delta Elite 1911 Rail Gun in 10mm Auto.
>> No. 106963 ID: 7fecba
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An obsolete design from 107 years ago, heavy steel frame, meager ammo capacity, and expensive to produce. But it's a 1911, designed by John Browning and proved in a hundred years of wars.
>> No. 106964 ID: 7fecba
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Oops! That's a Colt Special Combat Rail Gun .45 custom from 2015, not a Colt Delta Elite Rail Gun.
>> No. 106965 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106966 ID: 7fecba
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Here's a Colt Delta Elite 10mm 1911, ca. 1990.
>> No. 106967 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106968 ID: 7fecba
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Or replace the SIG Sauer M17 with the 1911 TacOps 10mm.

Sig Sauer Model 1911 TacOps 10mm auto - $ 1,049.00
New Sig Sauer Model 1911 TacOps 10mm auto. 8+1 capacity, four magazines, 5″ match barrel, low profile Novak style SigLite night sights, extended grip and thumb safeties, steel frame with accessory rail, carry style flared magazine well and unique grey G10 grips, overall Nitron finish, 41.6 oz. A high quality, stylish and powerful 10mm 1911. https://www.saddlerockarmory.com/product/sig-sauer-model-1911-tacops-10mm-auto
>> No. 106969 ID: 7fecba
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>> No. 106979 ID: 6ed282
>no rational reason

It's a steel frame.
>> No. 106985 ID: e0deaf
>It's a steel frame.

I'd argue that that's largely a negative for a service weapon.

Pistols are used infrequently, but carried a lot. Making them lighter is in my opinion superior, which means getting rid of the steel frame.

Steel also can freeze to your hands when handled in extreme cold, where polymer doesn't.
Steel can be too hot to touch when left in the sun, as can polymer. Though polymer can also become squishy or brittle when overheated.

I'm a big fan of steel framed guns, but for service weapons, it makes little sense. For soldiers and MPs, a polymer framed pistol seems like an easy choice. Specialist units like SF or CID etc should probably get to decide for themselves what they prefer to use.
>> No. 106986 ID: 8c968b
But that, you mean aluminum? It's not 1945.
>> No. 106987 ID: 9dcda2
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I was trying to figure that out too. The M9 uses an aluminum frame and the M17 uses a stainless steel chassis, inside a polymer frame.

>> No. 106991 ID: f5c3ed
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