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107440 No. 107440 ID: 9dcda2
Now legal in Maryland. I get to pick it up next week. (7 day waiting period.)
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>> No. 107441 ID: e35b40
Got to try one out a last month, let us know what you think about it.
>> No. 107442 ID: 866d6d
What was the delay? Does Maryland have some dumb approval system like Massachusetts does?
>> No. 107443 ID: 9dcda2
Handguns have a 7 day "cooling off" period. Cause, you know, that stops crime. (Nevermind that it would be easier and quicker to head into Baldymore and buy one off a guy.)

Maryland also has a "Handgun Qualification License" to buy handguns. Finger prints, background check, and a class. You can skip the class if you already own a handgun. It's about $100 with no class, and $200 with. Fucking lame.

And the reference to "Maryland legal" in the OP was due to MD's Roster of Approved Handguns. The Maryland State Police (MSP) is in charge of curating the roster. Unlike CA, it's pretty easy to get on the roster. Someone just has to submit a sample for the MSP to check out, shoot a couple of times, then they give it an OK, or "Maybe Later". The only laters I saw were complete crap Saturday night specials.


Handgun transfers have to be done through a dealer or through the MSP. Long guns can be sold private party with no FFL. Certain rifles are banned as assault weapons, like the AR-15... unless it has a heavy barrel.

Another banned rifle is the Bushmaster ACR... but my FN SCAR is just fine. No restrictions on Browning Automatic Rifles, so the HCAR is fine. (Though I had to convince OOW to sell it to me.) Unfortunately the HMG Works STG-44 is banned. I guess when they looked up "assault rifle" on google, the original came up.

AR-15 lowers kind of split the difference (for some stupid ass reason) that they require a 7 day wait like handguns, but doesn't require an HQL.

I don't fuckin' know.
>> No. 107445 ID: f2172d

I assume there are magazine limits as well?
>> No. 107446 ID: 9dcda2
Indeed. 10 rounds. Can't buy anything more than 10 in the state. But it's perfectly fine to go to PA or VA and bring back whatever you want. I've already picked up 3 standard capacity magazines from VA... for a gun I haven't picked up yet.
>> No. 107447 ID: 856592
Can you get a heavy barrel and modify it legally? By modify I just mean mill it to remove some metal.
>> No. 107448 ID: 9dcda2
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Nobody knows. The definition of "HBAR" is... well there isn't one. It's basically up to the MSP to decide. The best guess these days is that if it's chunky looking and the manufacturer advertises it as "heavy" then it's good. The upper I built in CA had a Blackhole Weaponry medium profile barrel, so when I got to MD I went to a local shop and picked up this upper with a White Oak Armament 16" Mid-Gas Barrel, to which the shop engraved "HBAR" on the bottom near the muzzle.


It's a good ass barrel. Just heavy. I put the SLR-7 gas block and the PWS FSC 556 muzzle brake on there.

There's also assault weapon definition:

> OR



So for the SCAR, I can't have a flash hider and folding stock, but I already had the folding stock disabled from having the gun in California. So flash hider is fine.

Another banned gun is the AK-47 series... but then they just came out and said the Arsenal SLR-104 is fine... in 5.45x39. The MSP seems to be pretty level headed about enforcing the letter of the law. Which is unexpected for a law enforcement agency.
>> No. 107449 ID: 9dcda2
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Looking through the list...

Springfield Armory BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3, M-21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding the M1 Garand
Enumerated in Statute10/1/2013

Springfield Armory M1A Loaded-6.5 Creedmoor
Not Banned
Does not meet the definition of a copycat weapon or the definition of a copy, or enumerated weapon in statute5/2/2018

> Jackie chan brain full of fuck.jpg

Hill & Mac Gunworks STG-N
Not BannedCopy of an enumerated weapon 7/12/2017

Wait, it says not banned, but copy of an enumerated weapon... but there's no reference to a STG or MP43/4 on the list.

So if it is legal, I'm so getting one, if they ever actually make a product.

I don't do EVERYTHING InRange TV does... we just have very similar interests. But Karl has stupid hair.

Another good one, "Dragunov Chinese made semi–auto" is banned, but my buddy has a Russian Tigr Dragunov rifle. (Which is a lot lighter and handier than you'd expect.)


> a firearm that is any of the following specific assault weapons or their copies, regardless of which company produced and manufactured that assault weapon:

(i) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(ii) AK–47 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM–1 type semi–auto;
(iv) AR 100 type semi–auto;
(v) AR 180 type semi–auto;
(vi) Argentine L.S.R. semi–auto;
(vii) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi–auto;
(viii) Auto–Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi–automatics;
(ix) Barrett light .50 cal. semi–auto;
(x) Beretta AR70 type semi–auto;
(xi) Bushmaster semi–auto rifle;
(xii) Calico models M–100 and M–900;
(xiii) CIS SR 88 type semi–auto;
(xiv) Claridge HI TEC C–9 carbines;
(xv) Colt AR–15, CAR–15, and all imitations except Colt AR–15 Sporter H–BAR rifle;
(xvi) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, aka AR 100, 110C, K–1, and K–2;
(xvii) Dragunov Chinese made semi–auto;
(xviii) Famas semi–auto (.223 caliber);
(xix) Feather AT–9 semi–auto;
(xx) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle;
(xxi) FNC semi–auto type carbine;
(xxii) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun;
(xxiii) Steyr–AUG–SA semi–auto;
(xxiv) Galil models AR and ARM semi–auto;
(xxv) Heckler and Koch HK–91 A3, HK–93 A2, HK–94 A2 and A3;
(xxvi) Holmes model 88 shotgun;
(xxvii) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format;
(xxviii) Manchester Arms “Commando” MK–45, MK–9;
(xxix) Mandell TAC–1 semi–auto carbine;
(xxx) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun;
(xxxi) Sterling Mark 6;
(xxxii) P.A.W.S. carbine;
(xxxiii) Ruger mini–14 folding stock model (.223 caliber);
(xxxiv) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber);
(xxxv) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xxxvi) AP–74 Commando type semi–auto;
(xxxvii) Springfield Armory BM–59, SAR–48, G3, SAR–3, M–21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding the M1 Garand;
(xxxviii) Street sweeper assault type shotgun;
(xxxix) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats;
(xl) Unique F11 semi–auto type;
(xli) Daewoo USAS 12 semi–auto shotgun;
(xlii) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle;
(xliii) Valmet M–76 and M–78 semi–auto;
(xliv) Weaver Arms “Nighthawk” semi–auto carbine; or
(xlv) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semi–auto “Terry”.
>> No. 107493 ID: 758a23
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I shot it and the accuracy sucks, probably due to the sights. 7 yards. The scoring key for the target is 5x3.5 inches, so the group is about 3" low and 1" left. At 7 yards. Wtf.

Had another shooter try it with the same low-left tendency. I then shot my buddy's Dan Wesson 1911 and completely removed the head from the scoring key on the target.

Everything else about it is awesome. The recoil is nice and the muzzle flip reduction is real. No problems with function for ~150 rounds.
>> No. 107494 ID: 758a23
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VP9 (non-night sights) on the left, Hudson on the right. I really dislike the the trijicon HD sights. For the Hudson, you try to not-occlude the orange dot as much as possible. It's a very gross / defensive type sight.

I've got 3-dot sights on almost all of my other guns because that's what works for me. I focus on the the target and my brain works out the 3-dot alignment.
>> No. 107495 ID: 758a23
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Comparing the Hudson to the Sig226 in terms of bore axis. I lined up the backstrap and triggers. Quite a difference. The weight on these two is about the same at 34oz, despite the Sig having an aluminum frame while the Hudson has a steel frame.
>> No. 107496 ID: 758a23
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The Hudson and the King of High Bore Axis, the Mauser C96.

1896 to 2017. 121 years of duty 9mm pistols.
>> No. 107497 ID: 758a23
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Top shot of a G19, Hudson, and 1911. The Hudson is slimmer than the G19.
>> No. 107517 ID: 9dcda2
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New Dawson precision front sight. Ordered the DP .170 x .100 sight. The original sight is .215 x .145.
>> No. 107518 ID: 9dcda2
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New sight picture. The elevation difference is very noticeable. We'll see how it shoots.
>> No. 107589 ID: 9dcda2
Finally got out to the range today. The new front sight is significantly better than the stock one and the elevation is just about right. I still want a 3-dot setup, so I'll get a new rear when it's available. Another guy had a stock H9 and for me, it was shooting about 2 feet low at 50 yards. (It was also shooting low for him, but we didn't quantify it.)

I still think the mechanical accuracy kinda sucks. Or maybe it's still an issue with the sights. Me and the homies were pounding the shit out some steel at 25 yards with no problems. I picked a rock on the 50 yard berm and was getting about a (very roughly) 10 inch group. My group with the VP9 was half that, and the Kahr CW9 pocket rocket was right in between the two.

The pocket pistol shoots better groups.

> Noodles playing guitar on a baggage claim unrelated. I realize now that I should have got some video or at least pictures from today. I did shoot a gold plated 44 desert eagle tho.
>> No. 107590 ID: 9dcda2
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A few other notes, everyone who shot it liked it. They said it was smooth, had a great trigger, and felt amazing in the hand. (It's slimmer than any other double stack pistol.) I found the the low bore axis to be a real benefit and the mag changes to be fast.

So yeah, it's everything you could ever want, except for having the wrong sights from the factory and meh accuracy. I'm going to continue using the VP9 as my primary competition handgun, and use the H9 when the mood strikes or as a range gun.

Shopping list: 20 round mags, match barrel (or other accuracy fix), slightly more grippy stocks, new rear sight.

My gun is up to about 400 rounds with no issues. (With 250 today.)

Checking the internet, my claim for 10" at 50 yards seems to coincide with this guy's 5" at 25 yards.


> Accuracy Data is as follows. Sandbagged 25 yards. Sixteen 5 shot groups with the Hudson H9. Four groups each with Federal American Eagle 115FMJ, Federal Train and Protect 115HP, Hornady 125 HAP Steel Match and Federal American Eagle 147FP. Additionally, I shot “proof groups” using two other striker fired handguns of similar sight radius and trigger quality. This can be seen on the test target photos, where the upper-most 5 shot group is either a Canik TP9SA or a Grand Power Q100, along with the Hudson’s effort.
>> No. 107918 ID: 9dcda2
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Update: The gun discharged when I closed the slide after inserting a magazine, then broke.

I inserted the magazine and when I tripped the slide release it fired. My finger was not inside the trigger guard and I had the gun pointed downrange, so no harm was done.

I calmly unloaded the gun and emptied the magazines. A little later, we tried it again while recording video and nothing happened, and the gun would not fire. The trigger is dead. Something broke.

And that's my first accidental discharge.

This was probably the ideal situation for the gun to break:
1. It was pointed in a safe direction.
2. It was me doing it, not someone I let shoot the gun.
3. It was not during a competition, which would have been dangerous or a disqualification.
4. It was in a normal shooting area, and not at the house.

This is why I don't chamber rounds unless it's shootan time. (Though I don't concealed carry because I live in a shitty state. I would if I did... in a safe direction.)

Remember kids: Mechanical shit can fail. Remember your rules of gun safety and fucking live by them.
>> No. 107925 ID: cdb636

Have you been able to troubleshoot what caused the malfunction?

The only thing I can imagine is the firing pin breaking, which causes it to protrude and ignite the primer when chambering.It was a common problem for instance with Caniks, I'm told. That means the gun could potentially go full auto when it happens.
>> No. 107928 ID: 9dcda2
Exactly this. And yeah, I'm really lucky it didn't go full auto. I'm maybe a 1000 rounds in, with 100-200 dry fires?

> The only thing I can imagine is the firing pin breaking, which causes it to protrude and ignite the primer when chambering.It was a common problem for instance with Caniks, I'm told. That means the gun could potentially go full auto when it happens.
>> No. 107929 ID: 9dcda2
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Guns I've broken:
Hudson H9, 1000ish rounds and some dry fires
Chiappa Rhino, 50-100 rounds and a few dry fires
Kahr CW9, cause undetermined

Guns I've dry fired extensively that have not broken:
Springfield 1911
Sig 226
Sig 226 X-Five
Glock 19

>> No. 107930 ID: f2172d
Damn, that sucks. Thankfully no one got hurt. I just texted >>107928 to a friend of mine who got a Hudson.
>> No. 107932 ID: c935e2
Impressive. Is it a casting or MIM component, or does it look like it was cut from a billet? Are there any voids or the beginning of a crack along where it failed?

Also, not the best company to be in for the Hudson - Rhinos are trash and Kahrs have a reputation for not working as often as they do work.
>> No. 107936 ID: 9dcda2
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I'm not a metalologist, I defer to other that may know better than I would.

Did you do Mechanical or Aerospace?
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>> No. 107939 ID: a067fa
Conveniently, I happen to have a degree in metallurgical engineering. Can you post some nice up and close, well lit, macro pictures of the fracture interface? Because of the uneven nature of the fracture you might have to take multiple to get every part in focus. Preferably with any grease and dirt removed. Ideally I would have the parts in hand to get a better look, so I can't promise anything definitive.

Ferrous casting with precision on that scale gets a bit iffy, MIM is a good candidate, and it could also be an assembly of multiple components that have been machined and brazed to get the right geometry.
>> No. 107940 ID: bbee29
Now I'm really not a rocket surgeon but from the pictures, it looks to me like it was either machined from billet or machined after casting/MIM. I would suggest that it might've been heat treated wrong if it was machined from billet, but I have very little experience with casting/MIM so I can't comment there.

The surface finish does look like MIM, but some vibratory tumblers for deburring and stuff leave a similar finish so it's hard to tell. Still, I think it's more likely that it's MIM with a machining operation after. If it is MIM, I'm pretty disappointed as MIM parts can be fine, but not as such critical components that undergo stress like a firing pin or an extractor.
>> No. 107941 ID: 9dcda2
That's about the best I can do with my camera phone. I left my turbine borescope at a customer site, so I'll bring it home tomorrow. It may do a better job, I dunno.

I forgot to mention, the parts are magnetic.
>> No. 107946 ID: cdb636

Interesting to see someone already replied that they've had the same issue.
>> No. 107948 ID: c4b465
> Interesting
The part which failed looks like it was poured from a vat of recycled paper clips. Did you mean to type Interedasting and spell check "fixed" it for you?
>> No. 107950 ID: c935e2
Mechanical engineer by training, paper pusher by trade.

I'm thirding the MIM idea. That's the cheapest way to get dimensionally accurate part without having to do a lot of secondary machining.

That chunk missing out of the bottom is interesting, though who knows if that was the starting point or the final point of failure.
>> No. 107952 ID: cdb636

Considering the video had 30 views when the guy responded, finding people that had the same problem seems pretty fast and indicative of a widespread issue, yes.

Outside of zeroing issues and generally lackluster accuracy (for a 1911 inspired pistol) I had not heard of much issues with them. Potentially because we don't really see them inna euroland.
>> No. 107957 ID: f2172d

My friend's Hudson has an issue of not locking open after the last round, but it's fairly minor.
>> No. 107966 ID: 9dcda2
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The borescope with the near focus tip didn't help.
>> No. 107967 ID: 9dcda2
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The inside is ribbed. I don't know what the telltale signs of MIM are, but that kinda looks like Direct Metal Laser Sintering to me.
>> No. 107968 ID: bbee29
>laser sintering
I'll have to disagree. That's not exactly a part with complicated internal geometry so there's a lot of reasons why laser sintering would not be ideal.

Looks more like MIM where they made the part simple to mold out by making it solid (no internal features), then made the internal features with a drilling operation or whatever needed after. From the smaller deeper hole, looks very clearly like a drill hole, then there's a larger diameter and less deep internal shoulder, done with either a counterbore or just an endmill (possibly another drill, hard to judge angle of shoulder from here, it could be a 135 degree tip or something). As it's an internal feature that isn't normally visible so they'd just feed harder to reduce cycle time so would likely leave marks like that.

Still, it's hard to say for sure. It's possible that it's sintering, I just think it's unlikely.
>> No. 107969 ID: 9dcda2
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What's funnier is what this looks like in real life.
>> No. 107970 ID: 9dcda2
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>> No. 107980 ID: 6da2ca
Well this is at least quality information. Thanks OP.
>> No. 108352 ID: 9dcda2
  Well shit.


BREAKING NEWS: Hudson Manufacturing Files For Bankruptcy

Posted 1 min ago in Breaking News, Companies by Benjamin F with No Comments
Tags: bankruptcy, H9, hudson, lawsuit

Hudson Manufacturing, makers of the much-vaunted Hudson H9, filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy on March 14th. This is, presumably, in direct response to their previously cataloged troubles. Cambridge Valley Machining has sued Hudson over unpaid debts after being contracted to machine parts for them.
Chapter 7 Bankruptcy

There are several different types, or chapters, of bankruptcies that individuals and companies can file for. Hudson has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, meaning that they have chosen to liquidate all their assets to absolve their debts.

There are some interesting titbits in Hudson’s filing. First, their estimated assets are less than $50,000 USD. However, their liabilities are somewhere between $10 million and $50 million dollars. In fact, according to the filings, Cambridge Valley Machining might not even be their largest creditor. While estimates of how much Hudson owes Cambridge Valley vary, the value is certainly more than $500,000, and probably under $1 million. That leaves at least $9 million in debt unaccounted for, and possibly as much as $49 million. Their list of creditors spans 18 pages.

What Comes Next

Hudson Manufacturing will go through the bankruptcy process. Excluding any assets that Hudson petitions to be labelled as exempt, everything will be sold off. For those customers who’s guns are currently in Hudson’s possession for warranty service or what-have-you, I don’t know what will happen. Technically they are not Hudson’s property and should be exempt from the sell-off. However, due to Hudson’s financial woes, it is unlikely they have the money to pay to ship them back to their owners.

As I mentioned in my previous post, there is currently an ongoing effort to create a class-action lawsuit against Hudson. It is catalogued at H9owners.com. At the time of publishing Josh Supnick, the creator and initiator of the lawsuit has not yet replied to a request for comment. Hudson Manufacturing’s website is still active, but their email addresses return an undeliverable error, and could not be reached for comment. The article will update as more information becomes available.
>> No. 108365 ID: c935e2
KE Arms has more info since they were a supplier:


Hudson, as a company, is super dead, but their suppliers look to be in a good position to build more if the obvious IP issues can be resolved.
>> No. 108366 ID: 9dcda2
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I, for one, welcome our new Sinistral overlords.

Also, it would be great if I could get my gun back.
>> No. 108460 ID: 91d5af
>Hudson’s said it had 86 pistols in for warranty at the time the company ceased operation.
>So, somewhere above and beyond the millions of dollars of debt that Hudson’s creditors will try to reclaim, there’s almost $100k worth of bought and paid-for H9 components that may never find their way back to their owners. The boxes of disassembled H9s are left in a limbo state. Hudson is no more, as is its ability to pay for assembly, and or return shipping.

Looks like you're out of luck. All pistols that have been shipped to them for repairs are paperweights now. They won't ship them back to you for "liability reasons".
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