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File 145954432848.jpg - (167.27KB , 1800x359 , antique US Owen-Rewa 4-bore elephant gun double ri.jpg )
96505 No. 96505 ID: 83d63c
Elephant guns
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>> No. 96506 ID: 83d63c
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This is just about the largest and most powerful double rifle made any where in the world. Skillfully hand crafted by master gunsmith Ken Owen of Memphis Tennessee in the early 1990's, this is an exceptional and truly rare 4 bore double rifle. This rifle is modeled after a rifle made for the Maharajah of Rewa, India who was an extremely wealthy avid sportsman in the early 20th century. Holland & Holland made the only known 4-bore cordite double rifle for the Maharajah in the 1920s. Mr. Owen made only six of these enormous double rifles and spent approximately "1000 hours" crafting each gun, see the spring issue of the Double Gun Journal pg. 53-57 for extensive information on this and other Ken Owen 4-Bore rifles. Using 100 year old investment casting technique this rifle is entirely hand made. Steel barrels, with bore diameters in the true 4-bore range of 1.052". Large action with Greener crossbolt third fastener, and bushed firing pins. Double triggers. Four leaf express rear sights graduated to 150 yards with gold numerals. Fix post front sight with folding "night" sight. The right barrel is marked "2000 GR. BULLET 4 INCH CASE". The rib is marked M.K. OWEN MEMPHIS TENN.. The left barrel is marked "CTG. NO. 4 REWA". The serial number 1045 is marked on the lower tang. http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/53/lid/1617
>> No. 96507 ID: 83d63c
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This rifle is engraved by Dennis McDonald and signed on the underside of the frame. The breech end of the barrels and top of the rib exhibit simple but fine, tight scroll engraving. The rifle features three exceptional Bulino panel scenes that almost come to life. The left side of the frame displays a lion and lioness resting in the shade on the plains. The right side of the frame depicts a large cape buffalo. The underside of receiver features one of the most outstanding, and detail rich engraved scenes this writer has ever seen, a large bull elephant walking through the middle of a watering hole. The casehardened frame displays wonderful, tight scroll and geometric patterns. The casehardened fences, top locking lever and forearm knuckle are deep relief chisel engraved. The forearm tip, trigger guard, and casehardened buttcap are all engraved. The tang safety is hand crafted and engraved to resemble a high end buttplate, and "safety" is highlighted in gold. The rifle is finished with triple-X-fancy, hand checkered English walnut with a raised cheekpiece.
>> No. 96508 ID: 83d63c
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US Owen-Rewa 4-bore double rifle elephant gun.
>> No. 96509 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96510 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96511 ID: 83d63c
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Even more rare than 4-Bore rifles themselves is the ammunition to feed them. James D. Julia Auctioneers stated an original ten round box of "Holland" branded Kynoch cartridges was hotly contested and sold for a whopping $20,700.
>> No. 96512 ID: 83d63c
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Accompanying this rifle are 35 original rounds of "Owen-Rewa 4-Bore Nitro Rifle Cartridges". Five of the shadow line cartridges were prototypes used in the development of this cartridge. 1)Cast Linotype lead bullet with large rifle primer. This was the original prototype cartridge that came with the gun. The consignor notes that concerns were raised over the primer in this cartridge so 5 grains of black powder were added. 2) Round nose 3/4 jacketed bullet. 3) Round nose 2/3 jacketed bullet. 4) Round 1/2 jacketed bullet. 5) Round nose full jacket bullet. Also included is one box of flat nose full jacket cartridges. One box of round nose full jacket cartridges. The remaining 20 cartridges are round nose full jacket cartridges. The cartridges are loaded with 115 grains of Blue Dot smokeless powder behind a 2000 grain bullet. Stock measurements are length of pull 14-1/2", drop at comb 1-3/8", and drop at heel 1-5/8".
>> No. 96513 ID: dda126
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>> No. 96514 ID: 83d63c
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Cartridge Comparison (left to right) 4 Bore, .600 NE, .577 NE, 4 Bore Bullet
>> No. 96515 ID: 83d63c
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R. B. Rodda & Co. of Calcutta 4 bore elephant gun
>> No. 96516 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96517 ID: 83d63c
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Isaac Hollis & Sons 4 Bore Damascus Barrel Percussion Rifle
Starting in the first half of the 19th century as Hollis Brothers & Company, Hollis & Sons was a supplier of pistols and shotguns, and also produced muskets for the North American Indian trade. This percussion rifle features a massive 4 bore Damascus barrel with a dove tailed blade front sight and a three leaf (two folding, one stationary). The breech end of the barrel is marked "I. HOLLIS & SONS, LONDON / MAD EXPRESSLY FOR F&C". The rear of the lock is marked with a circle with the Hollis & Sons logo in the center and "MAKERS TO HER MAJESTYS / WAR DEPARTMENT" around the inner edge and "I. HOLLIS & SONS" ahead of the hammer. The lock, hammer, patch box, side of the bolster, breech plug and barrel tang are engraved with simple scroll designs. Iron mountings, solid under barrel rib with wooden ramrod secured by three pipes, grip extension on the trigger guard and mounted with a massive straight grip half stock with checkered wrist, iron buttplate and brass initial oval. http://www.icollector.com/Engraved-Isaac-Hollis-Sons-4-Bore-Damascus-Barrel-Percussion-Rifle_i9965500
BBL: 26 5/8 inch octagon
Stock: walnut
Gauge: 4 bore
Finish: brown/casehardened
>> No. 96518 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96519 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96520 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96522 ID: 79b400
  My first rifle was a Savage 111 in .300 RUM. I dreamt of taking it on safari and taking out big game. Until my mom went crazy one day, broke into my room while I was out of town and took it in a plea for attention, prompting my brother and grandfather to call the police who confiscated it. They gave my grandfather the case number so we could get it back, but he fucking lost it and I never got it.

My current plan is to get a Model 70 in .375 H&H mag as my all around hunting gun. From medium size game to hopefully an elephant one day.
>> No. 96535 ID: 83d63c
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The .375 Holland & Holland is an expensive gun (as are all big game rifles) but the ammo is not so expensive, around $2/round (certainly not as obscenely expensive as the 4-bore).
.45-70 (the poor man's big bore short range round) goes for around $1/round and the improved .450 Marlin for around $1.60/round. The .458 Win Mag goes for around $3/round.

Why the .375 H&H Magnum is King of Cartridges http://www.gundigest.com/ammunition-reviews-articles/375-hh-magnum-king-cartridges
>> No. 96536 ID: 83d63c
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- German Nimrod Thieme & Schlegelmilch in .375 H&H magnum.
>> No. 96537 ID: 79b400
I plan to reload too, so I can save money and tailor the round to the size game.

.375 H&H just seems like the perfect round for the kind of hunting I want to do with a rifle.

I've been dying to get a 45.70 levergun and Thompson Contender since I was a kid.
>> No. 96538 ID: 33338c
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See if you can get a .375 Weatherby Mag (not .378, that's something different entirely) or .375 H&H Improved, you can get trajectories in the range of what a .30-06 will do using full-power loads in those.

Seen here is a Fuchs Fine Guns double-barrel bolt-action, in .470 Capstick.
>> No. 96540 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96541 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96542 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96543 ID: 83d63c
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Big Five Royal Blue
DBR cal. .416 Rem. Mag.
>> No. 96544 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96546 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96547 ID: 83d63c
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Back to Holland & Holland double elephant guns.
>> No. 96548 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96549 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96570 ID: 33338c
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4-bore Farquharson-action single-shot. Externally looks like a Ruger No. 1 on steroids.
>> No. 96573 ID: 33338c
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But what do you do when a 4-bore just isn't big enough? Common sense would say run, as you're probably facing a small armored vehicle (or possibly a dragon). But the more "adventurous" might reach for something like this: the Stolzer & Sons 2-bore underlever double rifle. Firing a half-pound lead round ball (or heavier conical bullet) over 300-500 grains of black powder for muzzle velocities in the 1500fps range with maximum loads, it's less of a rifle and more of a small cannon. This one also weighs about 44 pounds, thanks to the heavy-profile barrels and 4x13oz mercury recoil reducers in the stock.
>> No. 96575 ID: 33338c
File 145962303417.jpg - (156.91KB , 1800x455 , Win-405-full-right-sm.jpg )
I sometimes wonder what directions rifle-making in the New World would have taken had all the interesting megafauna not died off in the Quaternary extinction event. Sure, North America has traditions of hunting animals that get up around 1500+ lbs (moose, grizzly bear, bison), but in the end those are just a big deer, a big bear and a big cow. But what would things look like if herds of Columbian Mammoths still roamed the US? A '73 Winchester might be a fine choice for bison, but what the hell do you use hunting glyptodonts (an armoured creature resembling an armadillo the size of a Volkswagen)? Would ranchers find themselves needing to drive off 50-pound teratorn vultures?

This big .405 Winchester Model 1895 might have been a nice choice for the ten-foot, three-ton giant ground sloth Eremotherium.
>> No. 96577 ID: dda126
File 145962594487.jpg - (216.25KB , 987x469 , Palaeoloxodon namadicus.jpg )
50BMG will take care of them. Also, no need to not use HE rounds here. Also

>The .500 S&W Magnum’s success with large dangerous game is in part due the availability of heavier bullets with exceptional sectional densities. Bullets above 500-grain (32 g) have the sectional densities required for hunting heavier African dangerous game. As a hunting cartridge the .500 S&W Magnum has been found to be effective against elephant and African buffalo as long as ranges are kept within reasonable limits.[20][21] Bullet selection is extremely important when hunting thick-skinned dangerous game. Smith & Wesson bills the Model 500 revolver as "A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking".[19]
>> No. 96578 ID: 71cd0c

I don't understand why .500S&W is more popular while a .460S&W is much more versatile. (and can be loaded hotter to boot afaik)
>> No. 96582 ID: 83d63c
File 145964225655.jpg - (96.82KB , 1500x295 , antique US Farquharson 4 Bore single shot elephant.jpg )
Custom 4 Bore Farquharson Single Shot Sporting Rifle Made by Clayton Nelson for the Late Joseph Dean Mosconi
This impressive large bore rifle has a dovetailed front sight with bead, 5 leaf express rear sight with triangle insert and four folding leaves on a quarter rib that is not attached to the barrel, sling swivel mounts on the bottom of the barrel and the bottom of the buttstock. It is fitted with an extra fancy checkered walnut forearm and pistol grip buttstock with an ebony forend cap, cheek rest, and a red recoil pad. The barrel and frame are blued while the falling block, tang safety, lever, and grip cap are case colored. The included documents detail the creating of this sporting arm and the included ATF letter dated Oct. 2, 1991 explains that this weapon as designed classifies as a rifle rather than a destructive device. http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/62/lid/238
>> No. 96583 ID: 83d63c
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2 Bore Jones Underlever Black Powder Cartridge Double Rifle "The Double Deuce"
2 Bore (1.326")
Action - Left Handed Jones Rotary Underlever(1859 patent) with Dolphin Shaped Back Action Locks(Stalking Safeties and Intercepting sears. Extractor(non ejector).
Barrels - 30" long, 1:48" twist.
Stock - Sugar Maple, very hard, very dense, plain figured, straight grained. Stained to customers specifications. Oil Finished.
Checkering - 22 Lines Per Inch, Semi-Flattop
Forearm with Ebony tip.
Stock Dimensions were fitted to the customers measurements.
2 Screw Gripcap
Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad.
NECG Multi-Leaf Express Sight in a Quarterrib, Front Sight is Silver Caterpillar.
4 - 13oz. Mercury Recoil Reducers in the Buttstock
Metal Finish - Action, Triggerguard, Gripcap, Underlever, Locks and Hammers are Color Case Hardened. Barrels, Sights and Swivels are Rust Blued. Screws are Nitre Blued.
Finished Weight is 44 pounds. http://www.stolzergunsmithing.com/2boredoublerifle.htm
>> No. 96584 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96585 ID: 83d63c
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2-bore rifle by Colin Stolzer, 36-inch barrel, 22 pounds.
>> No. 96586 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96587 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96588 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96589 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96590 ID: 83d63c
File 145964604860.jpg - (243.07KB , 2200x883 , antique US Farquharson single shot 6_5x68R 1.jpg )
And a beautiful example of a Farquharson rifle:
Darwin Hensley, Steve Heilmann & Sam Welch. Custom Jeffery Farquharson Single Shot. 6.5x68R
25" tapered round barrel with full-length rib, raised ramp front sight, raised quarter rib with two gold-lined folding fire-blued and gold-lined express sights engraved for 100 & 200 yards, and swivel base, all (but the express sights themselves) machined from one solid homogeneous piece of steel. Exhibition Turkish walnut stock with ebony forend tip, beaded sidepanels, beaded pancake cheekpiece, fine classic point-pattern checkering with mullered borders, inletted and pedestalled rear swivel base, smooth casehardened steel grip cap and buttplate. 14"pull. Casehardened, scalloped-back Jeffery Farquharson number 3A action with gold-washed internals, lustrously burnished feed ramp, top tang safety and S inlaid in sublime Gothic gold script. Fine English rose & scroll engraving by Sam Welch and with gold borderline accents. Finish work by Pete Mazur. Schmidt & Bender 4 - 12x 42mm scope with 30mm steel tube and bold duplex reticle on sculptured, engraved and gold-inlaid half-band-soldered quick-detachable claw mounts. Weight: 9lbs, 8oz with scope; 8lbs without. In Huey full-length oak & leather case with engraved Bill Crowley horn-handled accessories, American Custom Gunmakers Guild trade label listing the individual craftsmen, and leather-trimmed, canvas overcase. Virtually new condition. $22,500. http://www.hallowellco.com/darwin_hensley%206mm%20farq.htm
>> No. 96592 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96593 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96594 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96595 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96596 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96597 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96599 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96600 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96601 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96602 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96603 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96636 ID: 7188a3
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.50 bmg looks good on paper until you have to ruck that big ol thing a long ways through heavy brush and/or get a followup shot from standing. That's not even mentioning the concussion from the aggressive brakes man-portable rifles invariably require. Touching that off without earpro is not something you'd want to experience anymore than, say, stalking dangerous game while wearing something that interferes with hearing.

Shit, man, poachers use pic related to take elephant just fine, if inhumanely. It's a much better dangerous game rifle than some horribly unwieldy antimateriel rifle designed for long range use only.
>> No. 96637 ID: 7188a3
Holy what I just noticed the pistol. How does that thing not shatter wrist bones when fired?
>> No. 96641 ID: 83d63c
It's a muzzle-loading pistol, so you can pour a light load of powder (~100 grains of black powder) and then move up to 300 grains for a full load. 60 grains is good for .50 cal rifles and would get that half-pound (!!) lead ball out the barrel.
2 Bore Muzzleloading Pistol https://youtu.be/Tq1tV3MBnx0
This is a left handed 2 Bore Caplock black powder pistol.
Overall Barrel length 7.250"
Bore 1.310"
Groove 1.326"
Backaction Dolphin shaped Caplock
Using CCI #11 Caps
Cast lead round ball 1.300" diameter (approx. 3300grs)
The pistol weighs 6.5 pounds
>> No. 96651 ID: dda126
>Shit, man, poachers use pic related to take elephant just fine, if inhumanely. It's a much better dangerous game rifle than some horribly unwieldy antimateriel rifle designed for long range use only.

I don't disagree. But they drive up to them in their Toyotas, dump a few mags into them and drive away again. That's decidedly different from one Palaeoloxodon namadicus charging you me thinks. 338LM should do fine too me thinks...
>> No. 96661 ID: 79b400
If you look closely, you can see pieces of bone from everyone who's ever fired the thing forever embedded in the grip.
>> No. 96669 ID: 7188a3
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It'll do fine for plains game, but not in the brush. At least, not until you neck up the case to accept >.40 cal solids, at which point you'd now have a .416 Rigby. Unless you're the reincarnation of W.D.M. Bell, a .338 slug would lack the combination of reliable penetration and reliable expansion for you to definitively stop an agitated pachyderm.
>> No. 96672 ID: 6057a8
I really, really want to shoot that 2-bore pistol.
>> No. 96686 ID: 59e914

It's been done... .338 has waaaaay more penetration than it's parent 416 Rigby. Sectional density, same reason Bell preffered 6.5mm.

>reliable expansion


>dangerous game

>soft points, expanding anything

>> No. 96688 ID: 7188a3
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I was originally gonna say .338 lacks tissue disruption, but that's not strictly true when it expands. When it expands enough to really disrupt grey matter, it won't penetrate elephant skull. Which is why expanding bullets, as you point out, are retardation for the very largest of game. Must I also spell out that the vast majority of .338 bullets are eminently unsuitable for that kind of work? .416 gets you more momentum and a wider meplat less likely to deflect off the tusk base, more damage to the brain once it gets there, a larger and more reliably available selection of solids, and more than adequate penetration.

Seriously, using .338 on an elephant is like using .17 mach 2 on elk. Specifically, an elk that will turn you into a thin paste spread out over several square feet. If I'm shelling out the dosh to harvest an old bull, I want to be the guy with the great story of how I killed it, not give the PH a great story of how he had to stop a charge because a client insisted on bringing a tacticool super sniper round for ranges of <50 feet.

L-R in an elephant brain cavity: 7x57mm, .404 Jefferey, 470NE, .577 Tyrannosaur, 4 bore.
>> No. 96689 ID: dda126
>a .338 slug would lack the combination of reliable penetration

What? It's classified as an anti material round as long as the range is kept reasonable. At 100m it will kill your 3006 proof AR500 plates.

>and reliable expansion
>rifle rounds expand
>this is a thing for hunting

Yeah nah.
>> No. 96691 ID: 59e914

My point is you're arguing a badly batched theory when 338 Lap HAS and is used over in Africa on heavy pachyderm with great success. It's not even a hard caliber to find in SA for that reason.

FFS man, it's a more aerodynamic .375 H&H with even more muzzle energy. Hell, .338 Winchester has been used with reliable success in Africa and the Lapua round makes it "look like a .17 Mach 2."
>> No. 96693 ID: 6372b6
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>caliber war African Boogaloo
guys pls

Despite having little hunting experience, I did do my fair share of reading up on safari hunting and have talked to a few people that I know to be knowledgeable about firearms/hunting but also know not to embellish stories; some have given me interesting insights into the safari scene.

One particular gentleman conducted a cull as it's one of the lesser expensive safari hunt options. Since he wasn't out for dangerous game, he simply flew over there and rented out one of their rifles, a Ruger bolt action in 300 Win Mag, that he used to take 11 animals with 12 shots; the last being to finish the creature off after it had been anchored. Although he had a blast, he warned me that doing a cull will not get you much love from the guides as they aren't really making much money off it, but dangerous game is beyond the price range of most mere mortals.

Even then, most safari hunters and guides/owners of safari hunting grounds don't commonly reload when they are on a hunt. They tend to go with a quality box of factory ammunition; keep in mind that people who can afford to hunt big game might simply not care that they can reload their .500 Jeff for 1/10th the cost because well, they don't give a shit if something is 50 bucks or 250 bucks, they don't have pocket change that small. The added benefit is that factory ammo is "safer" in how factories making premium ammo tend to not fuck up as often; your reloader might be very careful but one little mistake and people can get trampled. No good for business.

So you end up with all these hunters over there following one fairly a few simple rules of thumb:
Quality factory.
Bonded and/or partition if not for dangerous game.
Solids for dangerous game.
Minimum of 375 H&H for dangerous game.

After that, one of the big things is going with a "common" reliable caliber that has already been used fairly often with good results. This doesn't invalidate any other caliber, but you have to remember that those who organize the hunts aren't going to stock every fucking caliber on the face of the earth. If you use your own rifle, they will most likely want to know it's not going to have a stoppage and get someone killed, and being able to buy ammo from them could be important for multiple reasons (they want you to use something they know will work, even if you know it works, they don't want to take the chance that you may have brought in a dubious handload, etc). This can be compounded by some import/export laws that could very well put a wrench in your plans of taking your AI 8.58×70mm Military McTactical Police edition through whatever fuddington bix nood customs.

This brings me to another point. Most .338 Lapua factory loads are aimed at long range shooting with possible armor penetrating purpose. Are those bullets going to work well for really big game? You might think so, as they have a high sectional density and a bunch of power, but penetrating YARDS of flesh is nothing like penetrating armor meant to resist bullets. Long range bullets tend to be pretty ass-heavy and pointed, this is generally not as good at going through multiple feet of meat, as it will go sideways very quickly. It may penetrate deep when ass-end forward, but at that point it might not be going in the line you were aiming for, having veered off. Solids aimed at going through walking flesh tanks are shaped like flying bricks for a reason; they go straight, fuck you, suck my dick, I'm a brick. Cylinders of copper or brass just go straight like they're on rails, punching through what you aim at, even if all manner of biological tank-ness are in the way. For not dangerous game, good hunting soft-points are fine; but this brings me to a further point.

How many factory loads designed for hunting are there for the .338 Lap? How many hunting-configured rifles are there in .338 Lap? An "inferior" 338 Win Mag rifle will be lighter, more portable, easier to shoot, have tons of quality hunting factory loads, and the hunting grounds will have more than one box of ammo on site. Even if handloaded or specialty 338 Lap could be found with dangerous-game designed solids and soft-points that are made to handle the extra velocity of the Lapua at closer ranges, will the guides trust your handloading or trust a box or ammo they haven't seen before to ensure their customer or employee won't get used as fertilizer? Will you be okay with dragging around a rifle with the weight and bulk of a .416 Rigby that shoots .338 caliber bullets, and doesn't meet the perhaps-arbitrary-but-still-used-375-diameter-minimum-rule?

6.5 and 7mm loads used on elephants were also used mostly in the era of round-nose, heavy non-boattail bullets with pretty solid jackets.

I'm sure you're going to find articles of 338 Laps used in safari hunts, and 338 Lap hunting rifles, and 338 Lap hunting loads with softpoints good enough and solids in the right design to post in my face and tell me I'm dumb, but the main point of this whole somewhat anecdotal and heresay-filled rant is to try to keep it simple and relatively cheaper when going for a hunting expedition that's already fairly complicated and expensive when there are plenty of proven, common, well-known guns that are made for the job, and most of all that the guides will have familiarity with and will trust.
>> No. 96697 ID: 9dcda2
> Solids aimed at going through walking flesh tanks are shaped like flying bricks for a reason; they go straight, fuck you, suck my dick, I'm a brick.

I lol'ed.
>> No. 96726 ID: 7188a3
File 146011492066.jpg - (254.29KB , 1080x1349 , 12940085_536187043228937_1493322623_n.jpg )
This. All the this.

Also, yall need to check out Westley Richards's instagram account. I creamed in my pants a little.
>> No. 96727 ID: 7188a3
File 146011513278.jpg - (176.11KB , 1080x1080 , 12950252_790826077719013_1143983390_n.jpg )
Okay, so I creamed in my pants a lot. Sue me.
>> No. 96783 ID: 83d63c
File 146025864227.jpg - (162.71KB , 2048x997 , antique UK elephant gun _600 Express engraved tier.jpg )
>> No. 96784 ID: 83d63c
File 146025973119.jpg - (363.92KB , 1500x1144 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
Engraved Gold Inlaid W.J. Jeffery & Co. Double Barrel Hammerless Rifle in .600 Express Caliber
This is a nice example of a .600 Express caliber double rifle manufactured by W.J. Jeffery & Co. of London, England, producers of high quality custom built shotguns and rifles that have been used by wealthy big game sportsmen for years. They produce guns under their own banner and also as contractors for other distributors. This rifle was made for Lyon & Lyon, Calcutta. This rifle features a concaved matte rib with a ramped blade front sight and a 3 leaf (two folding, one standing) express rear sight on the quarter rib with a dolls head extension and ejectors. The barrel flats are marked with "crown/GP" and "crown/V" British proofs and "600 EX". They are also marked "900 GRS BULLET MAXM" and "1000 GRS CORDITE". The underside of each barrel is marked "-SPECIAL - GUN/ -BARREL-STEEL" and "-FRIED. KRUPP/-ESSEN-". The top of the right barrel near the breech is marked "W.J. JEFFERY & CO MAKERS", and the top of the left barrel is marked "13 KING ST. ST. JAMES ST. LONDON." The top of the right barrel "MADE EXPRESSLY FOR" and "LYON & LYON CALCUTTA" on the left. There is a 1 1/2 inch wedge of floral scroll engraving with a punch dot background on the muzzle end of the barrels and a 2 1/2 inch wedge of the same engraving on the breech end. There is a sling eye mounted on the underside of the rib. The Roulx Lock receiver and trigger guard under break lever are engraved with a floral scroll design with a punch dot background. Each side of the receiver has a gold inlaid relief engraved elephant with white gold tusks. The water table is marked with two "crown/V" proofmarks. The same floral scroll and pinch dot design extends to the forearm hardware. The inside of the forearm hardware is marked "PATENT/EJECTOR". Ejectors, tang mounted manual safety with gold "SAFE", double triggers and mounted with a multi-point checkered deluxe straight grain walnut forearm and pistol grip stock with teardrop flats, engraved metal grip cap, solid Pachmayr recoil pad, sling swivel eye and silver initial oval. The drop at comb is 2 inches, drop at heel is 3 1/2 inches, and length of pull is 14 1/2 inches. http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/67/lid/592
>> No. 96785 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96786 ID: 83d63c
File 146025979723.jpg - (358.84KB , 1500x799 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
>> No. 96787 ID: 83d63c
File 146025985421.jpg - (546.36KB , 1500x994 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
>> No. 96788 ID: 83d63c
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>> No. 96789 ID: 83d63c
File 14602598991.jpg - (275.68KB , 1500x841 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
>> No. 96790 ID: 83d63c
File 146025991424.jpg - (92.50KB , 1500x348 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
>> No. 96791 ID: 83d63c
File 146025992883.jpg - (101.03KB , 1500x342 , antique UK W_J_ Jeffery & Co_ _600 Express ham.jpg )
>> No. 96794 ID: c05e32
Out of curiosity, what do modern poachers use today?
>> No. 96796 ID: d8acd0
File 146027173980.jpg - (1.04MB , 3872x2592 , Russian AKS-47 old in Africa.jpg )
Kalashnikovs, mostly, as I have heard.
>> No. 96797 ID: d3cd3e

AKs, G3 & FAL tend to be most common. With the AK being by far the most common.
Which is pretty normal considering that those are also the most prolific semi auto firearms in dark africa.

Park rangers tend to carry similar equipment too.
>> No. 96801 ID: 52ed6e
I see that much like Nutnfancy those guys have removed the cleaning rods to reduce weight and improve barrel harmonics. Yes, he really does that for those exact reasons.
>> No. 96804 ID: fb3bdd
Wait, how do you unfold the stock with that magazine in the way?
>> No. 96809 ID: 33338c
File 146030966784.jpg - (52.85KB , 1154x1154 , 297566_ts.jpg )
Not familiar with underfolder AK stocks? The butt plate is cut away for clearance around the magazine.
>> No. 96810 ID: 06a0fb
There are two mags jungle-clipped together on the bottom rifle though. Hence the tap, the front mag being upside down, and visible rounds at the bottom of the picture.
>> No. 96813 ID: cfaec1
I want to see what a 4 bore HEAT shell would do to a real elephants skull.
>> No. 96814 ID: be0d6b
It's Africa - they don't use the sights if they're even still there, so what do they need the stock unfolded for?
>> No. 96831 ID: 7188a3
And just like stoplossed, they wrap copper wire around the barrel. but why
>> No. 96832 ID: 06a0fb
because they listen to marissa and dook on old /k/.
>> No. 96844 ID: e07445
Heat sink? Copper is a great conductor of heat.
>> No. 96847 ID: 53e7c0
In theory I think that's the idea.

However, using air cooled heat fins is really difficult to make the barrel to cool evenly, that's why they don't really make heat fins on MG barrels etc. anymore, even ridiculously high rate-of-fire stuff like the Dillon M134D.

I'm sure simple press fitting copper to your barrel, under handguards, etc. does little if anything for heat dissipation, and I would wager does far more to affect accuracy.
>> No. 96850 ID: 360765
You're overthinking it, it's decoration, good luck charm, it could be used to mark the gun as that guys, or even as part of rank structures. For example, guy with copper wire on his barrel = commander.

I'm guessing of course... but it's based on this sort of thing being done before. European theater of WWII had partisans tie multicolored strips of cloth (red/white/blue) to equipment or clothing as badges, that way if two groups of partisans met somewhere they wouldn't mistake each other for brigands or nazi sympathizers.
>> No. 96858 ID: 33338c
File 146052323893.jpg - (231.44KB , 1024x576 , wire lee-enfield.jpg )
It's obviously not what's going on with African AKs and whatever nonsense stoplossed is building, but you occasionally saw wire wrapping on the stocks of rifles designated for use with rifle grenades. The recoil of firing a rifle grenade (particularly mortar-style with the stock resting on the ground) was fairly heavy and known for cracking stocks, so the British added a wire wrap in two places to reinforce grenade-launching Lee-Enfields. I've also seen a picture or two of a Pattern 1914 Enfield (AKA M1917) with the same modification.
>> No. 96867 ID: 53e7c0
Good call. Much more likely some INDIG was aware that people wire guns, and imitating the practice, or just "customizing" his rifle.
>> No. 96897 ID: dda126
File 146057600518.jpg - (53.32KB , 543x500 , Japanese type 90 flare pistol.jpg )
> I want to see what a 4 bore HEAT shell would do to a real elephants skull.

Yeah, I think if animals like in >>96577 existed, we'd be carrying single, double or triple shot pistols, roughly something like the Japanese type 90 flare pistol, firing HEAT grenades. Shit, I really really want this now.
>> No. 96952 ID: d8acd0
File 146072192830.jpg - (94.27KB , 1200x912 , pistol Japan WW2 Type 10 Flare Gun 35mm 4_75-inch .jpg )
Why the three barrels for a flare pistol?
- Japanese WW2 Type 10 35mm Flare Gun, 4.75-inch barrel.
>> No. 96953 ID: d8acd0
File 146072196135.jpg - (70.96KB , 1200x859 , pistol Japan WW2 Type 10 Flare Gun 35mm 4_75-inch .jpg )
>> No. 96954 ID: d8acd0
File 146072208997.jpg - (65.81KB , 1200x853 , pistol Japan WW2 Type 10 Flare Gun 35mm 4_75-inch .jpg )
>> No. 96955 ID: d8acd0
File 146072222431.jpg - (83.72KB , 971x900 , pistol Japan WW2 3-barrel 27mm flare pistol made t.jpg )
Japanese WW2 3-barrel 27mm flare pistol made the Kayaba Manufacturing Co.
>> No. 96956 ID: d8acd0
File 146072232618.jpg - (111.70KB , 1200x1129 , pistol Japan WW2 3-barrel 27mm flare pistol 2.jpg )
>> No. 96957 ID: d8acd0
File 14607226918.jpg - (204.84KB , 3492x2034 , pistol German WW2 flare gun 4 gauge Doppelläufige.jpg )
The Germans had double-barrel flare guns like this WW2 Doppelläufige Fliegerleuchtpistole Mod. L, Ecko 4 gauge flare gun from 1938.
>> No. 96958 ID: d8acd0
File 146072275941.jpg - (423.65KB , 4908x3126 , pistol German WW2 flare gnf42 double-barrelled Luf.jpg )
German WW2 gnf42 double-barreled Luftwaffe flare pistol.
>> No. 96959 ID: d8acd0
File 146072289879.jpg - (205.76KB , 3786x1926 , pistol German WW2 flare gun Sternsignalpistole Wal.jpg )
German WW2 Sternsignalpistole Walther mod. SLd, Kriegsmarine flare gun.
>> No. 96960 ID: d8acd0
File 146072309264.jpg - (340.85KB , 4764x3036 , pistol German WW2 flare gnf42 double-barreled Luft.jpg )
So... low-pressure custom shotgun loads for 26mm/4 gauge flare pistols?
>> No. 97064 ID: 4c3ae6
File 146100665912.jpg - (527.37KB , 1920x832 , antiqur elephant gun in _700 Nitro Express 1.jpg )
>> No. 97174 ID: 634497
File 146160870039.jpg - (28.21KB , 500x300 , my_brain_is_full_of_fk1.jpg )

>double-barrel bolt-action
>> No. 97184 ID: 7d1c98

It's so you can fire twice before needing to work the bolt and throw off your sight picture.

You don't fire once, bolt, then fire the second barrel. It's actually a useful design and one that we recently saw reinvigorated with the DP-12 shotgun.
>> No. 97185 ID: a19011
Also certain african nations do not allow hunting with semi-auto's or even allow them to be owned by civilians.
>> No. 97186 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167681287.jpg - (101.21KB , 800x532 , antique German Fuchs and Szecsei double barrel rep.jpg )
It's a gimmick made by a gun designer who was looking to see if he could pull such a design off. Sure, it has the advantage of being a repeater over the break action double rifles, but how many double barrel bolt action rifles have you seen?
- Fuchs and Szecsei double barrel repeating bolt action rifles.
>> No. 97187 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167751266.jpg - (141.11KB , 4235x1038 , antique percussion German mid 19th Century 16_5mm .jpg )
Back to the big bore elephant blasters.
- German mid 19th Century 16.5mm (.65 caliber) rifled bore percussion sporting rifle.
>> No. 97188 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167858525.jpg - (328.70KB , 1920x880 , UK WW2 Boys _55 cal (13_9x99B) anti-tank bolt-acti.jpg )
Anti-tank rifles like the WW1 M1918 Mauser 13mm & WW2 Boys .55 caliber were called elephant guns. And could be used effectively as such.

The Rifle, Anti-Tank, .55in, Boys commonly known as the "Boys Anti-tank Rifle" (or incorrectly "Boyes"), was a British anti-tank rifle in use during the Second World War. It was often nicknamed the "elephant gun" by its users due to its size and large bore.

There were three main versions of the Boys, an early model (Mark I) which had a circular muzzle brake and T-shaped monopod, built primarily at BSA in England, a later model (Mk I*) built primarily at the John Inglis and Company in Toronto, Canada, that had a square muzzle brake and a V shaped bipod, and a third model made for airborne forces with a 30-inch (762 mm) barrel and no muzzle brake. There were also different cartridges, with a later version offering better penetration.

Although adequate against light tanks in the early part of the war, the Boys was ineffective against heavier armour and was phased out in favour of the PIAT mid-war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_anti-tank_rifle
>> No. 97189 ID: 94b3dd
File 14616789733.jpg - (115.07KB , 3980x1316 , UK WW2 Boys _55 cal (13_9x99B) anti-tank bolt-acti.jpg )
I actually picked one of these things up and they are monstrously heavy. They weigh 35 lbs (16 kg) unloaded.
- UK WW2 Boys .55 cal (13.9x99B) anti-tank bolt-action rifle.
>> No. 97190 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167901846.jpg - (177.57KB , 4204x1808 , UK WW2 Boys _55 cal (13_9x99B) anti-tank bolt-acti.jpg )
>> No. 97191 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167907820.jpg - (187.17KB , 4151x2121 , UK WW2 Boys _55 cal (13_9x99B) anti-tank bolt-acti.jpg )
>> No. 97192 ID: 94b3dd
File 146167917242.jpg - (854.13KB , 2400x958 , UK WW2 Boys MK1 Canadian Inglis Manufacturing Co_ .jpg )
UK WW2 Boys MK1 by the Canadian Inglis Manufacturing Co. re-barreled to .50 BMG (12.7x99mm).
>> No. 97224 ID: 634497

Ohhh, okay, that makes more sense then.
>> No. 97256 ID: 94b3dd
File 146230767865.jpg - (480.60KB , 2560x1920 , Elephant Safari Area in Zimbabwe, _416 Remington.jpg )
A .416 Remington used in a hunt in the Elephant Safari Area in Zimbabwe.
>> No. 97258 ID: 94b3dd
File 146230842387.jpg - (2.54MB , 3647x2631 , US P President Theodore Roosevelt and dead elephan.jpg )
Theodore Roosevelt with large-caliber rifle and dead elephant, circa 1909 to 1919.
>> No. 97259 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231012060.jpg - (73.23KB , 1024x768 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Magnum 1.jpg )
CZ makes a big game safari rifle with their 550.
The CZ-550 is a bolt-action hunting rifle series manufactured by Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod (CZ UB). The CZ 550 series is available with a medium or magnum sized action. The CZ 550 rifle resembles the Mauser 98 rifle series, though it is not an exact copy.

Since the CZ 550 magnum size action can be chambered for super magnum cartridges some elephant gun wildcat cartridges were tested (see .585 Gehringer) and others specially designed (see .600 Overkill) with and for this action.
>> No. 97260 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231041050.jpg - (0.98MB , 4000x1497 , antique Czech CZ 550 Magnum in _375 H&H 24-inc.jpg )
CZ-USA’s limited-edition Craig Boddington Signature Series CZ 550 Magnum in .375 H&H features a 24-inch barrel and a Claro walnut stock.

A limited-edition big-game rifle, a flat-shooting plains rifle, a new Youth model hunting rifle, and upgrades to the rimfire line highlight CZ’s new rifle products for 2015. New to the Safari Classics line is the Craig Boddington Signature Series CZ 550 Magnum in .375 H&H ($3,099). This limited-edition piece (only 45 right-hand models and five left-hand models will be produced) features input from Craig Boddington and includes a barrel shortened to 24 inches, an upgraded Safari Classics front sight, and a barrel-band sling swivel. The stock has been redesigned to be a bit faster handling with a slimmer wrist and a shallower, shorter forend. The 13.5-inch length of pull is capped by a one-inch red Decelerator recoil pad. The stock is claro walnut and the metalwork is finished in a rust blue. http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/shot-show-2015-special-edition-day-2-rifles/
>> No. 97261 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231055180.jpg - (273.27KB , 2222x474 , antique Czech CZ 550 American Safari Magnum _375 H.jpg )
Czech CZ 550 American Safari Magnum .375 H&H Magnum.
>> No. 97262 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231059814.jpg - (301.40KB , 3152x730 , antique Czech CZ 550 Magnum _500 Jeff w Leupold 1x.jpg )
Czech CZ 550 Magnum in .500 Jeff with a Leupold 1x5 VariX 3 scope.
>> No. 97263 ID: 94b3dd
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>> No. 97264 ID: 94b3dd
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>> No. 97265 ID: 94b3dd
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>> No. 97266 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231115735.jpg - (375.71KB , 2949x913 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Classic _458 Win Mag 1.jpg )
Custom CZ Model 550 Safari Classic Rifle .458 Win Mag
20" Barrel (cut down from original length barrel, so no front sight, and rear express sight removed)
Leupold 1 1/2x5x20mm Vari-X III scope mounted in CZ ringmounts
Weight 9 3/4 Lbs.
Condition: Very lightly used. Little evidence of wear to blue or wood finish. An interesting choice of barrel length and sighting option, but with re-installed iron sights, what a great Guide gun.
>> No. 97267 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231120974.jpg - (361.87KB , 1920x1277 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Classic Leupold 1 1-2x.jpg )
>> No. 97268 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231122969.jpg - (500.65KB , 1920x1277 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Classic _458 Win Mag 2.jpg )
>> No. 97269 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231127262.jpg - (462.43KB , 1920x1277 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Classic _458 Win Mag 3.jpg )
>> No. 97270 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231129080.jpg - (454.35KB , 1920x1277 , antique Czech CZ 550 Safari Classic _458 Win Mag 4.jpg )
>> No. 97271 ID: 94b3dd
File 146231213423.jpg - (281.41KB , 1600x1200 , antique UK Webley & Scott _450 3_25 inch under.jpg )
WEBLEY & SCOTT London .450 3 1/4 inch best quality rebounding hammer under lever sidelock extractor. This gun is in near pristine condition. This gun is black powder proof but has been fired many times with the replacement nitro powder developed to be used in black powder guns. This gun comes with the formula to load the nitro replacement powder. The gun fires a three shot group of 3 inches at 50 yards. A complete set of RCBS dies to load the cartridges. There are loaded cartridges, extra brass and Hornaday bullets which have been used to test the gun. The gun also comes with a sling and cartridge belt. There is also a copy of John Pondoro Taylor's book pages on African Rifles and Cartridges which mentions this type rifle and that this gun being with steel barrels in a transition between black powder and Nitro powders. The bores and chambers are perfect. The blacking and color hardening is near 100%. The only marks on this gun are a few slight dings on the stock. This is the finest most well balanced double rifle we have handled. The barrels are 26 inches, the rear sight is marked 150 yards and the flip up sight is marked 200 yards. the front sight is a ramp gold bead sight. The action and all related hardware is fully engraved with best close scroll engraving. The long tang trigger guard and under leaver are both colour hardened and engraved. The steel pistol grip cap is also colour hardened and engraved. The drop at heel is 2 1/4 inches and 1 1/2 inches at the comb. The stock and leave release forend are finely chequered and the wood is extremely well figured French Walnut with a pull of 14 1/2 inches to a steel heel plate which is also finely engraved and color hardened. The weight is a superbly balanced 8 pounds 14 ounces. This is in every way a truly fantastic gun ready to go back to Africa for Buffalo, Elephant and all of the Big Five. The remarkable thing is the condition of the chambers and bores, they are unmarked. This gun should be fitted with the proper TEG trunk case to complete it. This is truly a best English double rifle virtually as new at a very reasonable price... $11,995.00 http://www.woodcockhill.com/rifles.htm
>> No. 97272 ID: 94b3dd
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