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Patches and Stickers for sale here

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96901 No. 96901 ID: 52ed6e
Been a while since the last one.

>I have a SKS that has a shortened barrel. It is currently legal again for anyone to own. I am looking to trade or sell it.

>Will trade for:
>Trade's I'm interested in:
>Ruger pistols 9,40,45,357
>XD pistols 9,40,45
>S&W pistols 9,40,45,357
>357 revolvers with at least 4-6 inch barrel
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>> No. 96979 ID: a19011
>> No. 96980 ID: fd0828
Is it just me or do a huge number of these horrible Armslist and Gunbroker postings come out of my native Raleigh, NC?

Makes me anxious.
>> No. 96984 ID: 52ed6e
I think it's because I live in the area and I go to Armslist several times a day, probably more than anybody else on this board. I bet every other Armslist region has the same percentage of horrible abominations, price gouging, and misidentifications as Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill.
>> No. 96985 ID: 52ed6e
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Semi-related, saw this in the latest CDNN catalog. I get the gimmick but this is just ridiculous.
>> No. 96987 ID: 8be205
and now you know why Colt went bankrupt 3 times in the last 20 years.
>> No. 96988 ID: b495aa

Those actually sold pretty well at my shop, right up until Colt went bankrupt. Then they were on constant backorder at our distributors. It's pretty easy to upsell the stripped colt into a bunch of fagpul stocks and MI railz.
>> No. 97045 ID: 8be205
still, they could probably sell the gun at $699 or even $650 flat and still pull a 20% margin over cost.
>> No. 97049 ID: 1cbe21
IIRC we were selling them in the low $700 range, with a 13% margin (assuming the customer paid with cash) over our distributors cost.
>> No. 97051 ID: 93e0c7
It's a builder's gun. You put the shit you want on it and save yourself the money that you probably won't earn back by trying to sell off the original furniture that comes on a stock rifle.
Hobbyists may not get the "gimmick" but I wish this was a thing when I built my first AR.

Aero Precision and BCM are also offering "OEM" style rifles through Brownells and I'm having a hard time justifying another "build"
>> No. 97052 ID: 8be205
You paid when ordering, though, for the guns right?

Shop pay the distributor, and before that the distributor paid Colt for the inventory, if firearms sales work anything like regular retail ordering systems do.

So that 13% is your profit on the sale, correct? And the distributor is making profit on their wholesale cost to you. And Colt clears a profit selling to the distributor.

So if you're making 13%, and Colt could make a profit selling M4s to the US Government at $750 for a complete rifle on contract back during OEF/OIF, imagine how much profit Colt is clearing selling these OEM guns without needing to shell out for furniture.
>> No. 97053 ID: 8be205
>imagine how much profit Colt is clearing selling these OEM guns without needing to shell out for furniture.

Or at least should have been. But that's why they went bankrupt. Because hedge fund bankers don't actually know how to run business that well.

Case in point, Cerberus Capital and Freedom Group's ownership of Remington et al. Cerberus also fucked Chrysler before Remington.
>> No. 97616 ID: 52ed6e
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>clearly a carbine buffer tube
I bet money the dude took the stock off seconds before he took the picture.
>> No. 97620 ID: 028b36
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I mentioned that before but someone said you can have a rifle butter tube on it as long as you don't put a stock on it then it's ok.

I didn't know they make Rhino in 40S&W, I thought the "40" in the model number is just for barrel length. Apparently these takes moon clips. Pretty neat.

>> No. 97625 ID: f87148

Huh. Apparently they make a lot of variants in fo-tay. Odd that I never even really noticed.
>> No. 97685 ID: 757bc2
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>AK 47 PolyTech, 1984 Pre-Ban

>Poly Tech AK 47, 1984 Pre-Ban, black furniture, 6 position stock, pistol grip, laser sighting-red dot sighting, with tripod,  2 55-round clips (rare!), 3 40-round clips, 1 75-round drum.



>> No. 97692 ID: 52ed6e
Aren't those super long magazines for display only?
>> No. 97694 ID: 0a938f

I thought they were for RPKs.
>> No. 97695 ID: 52ed6e
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The 40 rounders are. I know of 50, 75 and 100 round box magazines for the AK that are for display only, like pic related.
>> No. 97913 ID: 52ed6e
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>> No. 97932 ID: a615a8
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Ey mang, never mind the gun, how much for them shoes?
>> No. 97944 ID: 757bc2
if he has the original parts and stock $300 would tickle my fancy.
>> No. 98301 ID: d1748b
$300 for one 30round mag...
Fuck you ruger. Fuck you.

>> No. 98392 ID: 82e01d
I wonder if it uses the same frame as the .357. If so, you could ream the cylinder to feed it 10mm. Which would be a good companion to my carbine...
>> No. 98425 ID: 3b3ce1
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>> No. 98429 ID: 3b3ce1
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>after market pistol grip
>> No. 98431 ID: 18b57c
Illegal AOW.
>> No. 98434 ID: 028b36
It could be a hair over 28" OVL, someone need to those photo forensic to measure know parts length and get an estimated OVL
>> No. 98438 ID: 1e7323
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Fair warning, this is a rough comparison.

Factory Examples:
20 gauge, 28" Rossi shotgun: http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=76
20 gauge, 23" Rossi Shotgun: http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=74

The listing looks like it still has a front bead, so I'm assuming it's intact. If we measure from the end of the chamber "swell" to the breach face, the listing is roughly 4.5 lengths/328 pixels long. If we do the same comparison on the known 28" barrel, that chamber swell is about 5.5.

If you assume the chamber swell is the same dimension on both the 28" example and the listing, you can back into the listing's barrel length of 23". Since we have an example of a factory Rossi with a 23" barrel, that sounds right. The slug gun does not have the same barrel swell, but if you do a semi-transparent overlay adjusted for the length, the other features such as the hammer and trigger guard are in the matching space.

Extrapolating the same pixels/inch, you get an OAL of 29.7" (which has a fair bit of error no doubt). Considering the minimum OAL is 26", I think the listing probably meets the letter of the law. If I were buying it I'd bring a tape measure, that's for sure.
>> No. 98463 ID: 3b3ce1
I can't really make out a bead. Even if there was one, that's simple enough to install on a shortened barrel.
>> No. 98500 ID: 1057d5
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>$4500 custom gold vepr AK

>Traditional gunsmiths are virtually never knowledgeable about plating. Conversely, platers rarely know squat about smithing! I am both an accomplished plater and gunsmith—a very rare, if not totally unique combination. Parts have to be precisely prepared just so, in order to apply the desired thickness of plate, and have them fit properly. So much of the plating I’ve seen (especially gold), on hundreds of various factory (and other custom) guns, was really pathetic. The deficient plating is typically very thin, without the proper base metals underneath the gold. Also, some, maybe all plating companies tend to be real tightwads when it comes to their gold usage. You tell them you want heavy plating, they’ll charge you for it—but will still give you as little as they can get by with! To a lei person (or unknowledgeable gunsmith), a really thin layer of gold (with improper foundation) looks similar to a really decent one. The 24kt gold (and chrome) plating on my gun is substantial and was liberally applied by me personally at a large, high-tech facility—it will last a lifetime! If you took your AK into most any gunsmith, or the parts into any plating company, you would absolutely never get the ultra-quality plating my Vepr has!!! And with today’s gold prices, the cost would be three to four times what it was when I customized this gun. I had intended to keep this gun forever—and that’s how I built it.

>> No. 98501 ID: 1057d5
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>thumb screws holding the railed dust cover
>> No. 98502 ID: 1057d5
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and lastly a sling swivel mount, on op the muzzle device! WTF.
>> No. 98623 ID: 44166f
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Here is my 43 match barrel rifle that was professionally done by a gun smith out of Arizona. He does fantastic work as you can see. So much has been done to this
angel stock
3.5lb timney trigger job
gun has pineapple grenade bent bolt
anything that can be done done to this rifle is done
comes with 440 rounds of 7.62x34r in a spam can

looking for something nice, I really want a Kriss vector. But would listen to any offers.
>> No. 98997 ID: a615a8
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And as an added bonus, the picture is upside down.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/5715209/detroit-michigan-handguns-for-sale--m-p-9mm-4-25--barrel- <-- "Comes with 2 clips and the cable lock, case and Manuel. "

Does Manuel follow you around and act as your gunbearer, or something? How do you say "b'wana" in Spanish?
>> No. 98998 ID: 52ed6e
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>> No. 99006 ID: e053ad
Lol. One of them 20rnd Chinese fixed mags.
>> No. 99016 ID: b931ed

Of the extended mags for the SKS, the Chinese fixed 20s actually work and don't require modding your bolt. The TAPCO duckbills also work well, oddly enough for TAPCO; though you'll be trimming your bolt if you want to insert them on an empty chamber.
>> No. 99017 ID: e053ad
Hmm? You can do the drop free mos. Cut the flanges off the bolt so you can insert duckbill mags with the bolt closed.

I just picked up a AK instead.
>> No. 99080 ID: 7c3c05
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$2500. For an M1 Carbine--and it's not even GI, it's a Universal.

I am tempted to call them up and tell them I found that decimal point that they misplaced. I doubt they'd get it, though.
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Browsing Letgo, find this.
>> No. 99123 ID: f6bffe
That's brilliant.
Time to sell some sticks
>> No. 99788 ID: d094dd
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>I have a high power assault pressure washer that will fire at 4000psi. This isn't your grandfathers pressure washer this thing will take the paint off your car. Very low round count. Will come with one high capacity hose and wand with foregrip to keep the thing under control. Looking to trade for a rifle or the right handgun.
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"Buy my 770, literally one of the worst rifles ever made for double it's new value because it's got big medicine from all the animals I poached shot with it."

Still better than the $550 710 some desperate fuckstick tried to sell me on behalf of the store I work for at the gunshow. He blamed his utter lack of sales on Obama economy and Hilldebeast. He also assumed I was Jewish for some reason and played the "poor us" card. It was really strange.


Remington pls go.

Pawn shops are really weird. I feel like they have their own made up internal hyper inflated economy that as long as they keep it within themselves, somehow it sustains itself.

They seem to put almost no value in factual data such as numbers made, original cost, quality of production etc and instead classify everything into "WW2 GUN IZ DIS PRICE, 12 GAYGE SHOGUN IS DIS MUCH, DIS IS WER WE PUT THIRTEEOUTSIXEZ". Then the clientele just like...rolls with it...
>> No. 99791 ID: cc91ac
2250 USD now. Call em up, bro.

Ask if all ten come in a crate.
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>> No. 99798 ID: 028b36
All that for $460 isn't a bad deal, unless it's all the zombie shit that's $460 and gun doesn't come with it

I don't get this ad, are Beretta's extractor that shitty you have to buy them in bulk?

>> No. 99800 ID: 54dafa
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>zombie shit
>> No. 99801 ID: cc91ac
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This only makes me think of the RoI for the people who make this kind of trash. I mean, kind of makes me want know how much it costs to bubba up an RIA 1911 with lime green and black skulls, some bright red fence paint for blood, and cheap yellow spray paint for the "ZOMBIE KILLER" text. The question is how fast do pieces of shit like that sell and what percentage of your soul go with it?
>> No. 99802 ID: f75cee


>We sell custom AR's from home and only used Facebook advertising
>Buy my AR that was inspired by a gaming PC
>> No. 99817 ID: ad8094
I think during the "zombie" phase many company dabbled in the phase trying to pick up some sales. Hornady had their zombie ammo line which is just their Critical Defense line with neon green polymer filler, SIG had the zombie 1911, Mossberg had their zombie shotgun and Red Jacket Firearms had their 10/22 dress up kit call ZK-22 (Zombie Kill), the list goes on and on. IIRC even Chris Costa got on the zombie train (see video)
>> No. 99818 ID: 78af8f
>upset at facebook because I already spent the sales tax from previous sales

>charity for "some origination"
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>> No. 101710 ID: d4c8ee
>6 D-cell batteries not included
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>> No. 101787 ID: 721241
>They seem to put almost no value in factual data such as numbers made, original cost, quality of production etc and instead classify everything into "WW2 GUN IZ DIS PRICE, 12 GAYGE SHOGUN IS DIS MUCH, DIS IS WER WE PUT THIRTEEOUTSIXEZ". Then the clientele just like...rolls with it...

My city of 40k had more than ten pawn shops at any given time.

This is exactly how it works.
>> No. 101799 ID: 983596
What a faggot.
>> No. 101829 ID: 6ca38e
>> No. 101903 ID: 7c3c05
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>hurr, look at muh custom Colt!
>the only Colt part on it is an old Series 70 slide that's been bubba'd the fuck up with forward serrations and new sights
>but it's still a Colt, right?
>so that means it's worth loadsa money, right?

This wouldn't have made my blood pressure spike so high if he didn't insist his plastic fantastic Tripp Research mixmaster frankengun was a real Colt, and if he didn't think it was worth almost five large.
>> No. 101916 ID: 22e20f
>double stack
>> No. 101935 ID: e4de0c
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Attention. You are now entering the Debarkation Area. No talking. No smoking. Follow the orange line to the Processing Area. The next scheduled departure to the prison is in two hours. You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises. If you elect this option, notify the Duty Sergeant in your Processing Area.
>> No. 101936 ID: 90a126
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I've always thought square trigger guards on 1911s are butt ugly. They just really ruin the look if it, like they are trying to be a Glock or something. Any other modernization I think looks fine, slide serrations, raised sights, skeletonized errything, even fruity looking grips are fine but slap a square trigger guard and it looks like an abomination.

That gun would like fine if it didn't have that trigger guard, hell I think it would look better with no trigger guard, like those guns professional shooters will sometimes have. Also look a hell of alot better if it was like a 4th of the price.
>> No. 101938 ID: 171c53
The streamlined design allows even shrimps like the President to lay down some serious damage and tight full-auto groups.
Escape from New York - Duke (A Number One) dies https://youtu.be/mfotQ1YQrvk
>> No. 101949 ID: 7c3c05
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Square trigger guards are also impractical. There was a fad back in the 1980s for a technique of putting one's off-hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard, supposedly for extra leverage to help yank the muzzle back down from recoil. I blame Miami Vice. Because it's WRONG. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Unless your finger pressure there is perfectly consistent from shot to shot, you will pull shots randomly to that side, 1-3" at 10 yards, worse further out. Thirty years later handgun designers still put retro-futuristic square triggerguards and triggerguards with a scoop cut out of the front on their guns

Put your off hand index finger on the bottom of the trigger guard, right in front of your ring finger. Now watch the front sight and concentrate on pressing the trigger without tightening your grip or pushing down with your thumb.
>> No. 101964 ID: 52ed6e
They were doing that to trigger guards before Miami Vice came out. Miami Vice only did it because it was in the shooting doctrine of the times.
>> No. 102068 ID: 574789
The only good zombie thing was the green hornady ammo. Put red and green in my carry guns for a few years.
>> No. 102110 ID: 7c3c05
>Put red and green in my carry guns for a few years.
"...and it was just like Christmas!"
>> No. 102164 ID: 7c3c05
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>Stainless Steel Mini 14, good shooting gun I got it on trade and I relize I don't have any use for it, and I'm not realy "into" tactical rifles, and I would rather have something else
>oh, and by the way, it's got an "ACOG" on it
>pre-2008 stainless Ranch Rifle
>with cheapass plastic folding "tactical" stock
>and the obligatory Chinese plastic bipod
>thousand bucks
>and it's a Ranch Rifle
>but I put one of those godawful Chinese sideplate scope mounts on it anyway
>and I stacked adapters on top of adapters to put this optic on top that I am choosing to call an "ACOG"

Is anyone taking any bets on whether that "ACOG" is the real deal from Trijicon, or a $10 airsoft toy optic that he bought on eBay?

Also, the sight axis of that scope has to be, what, 5"? 6?" above the rifle's bore axis. You're gonna need a taller cheekrest.

>> No. 102751 ID: 7c3c05
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"I have an older romak 991 with bakelite grip and wood furniture. Serial # dates 1999. I know these were cheaper before but they are rare now. Converted to double stack whoever had it didn't do such a great job the mags fit funny but it functions 100% . front sight is also canted to the right some. No lowballs. Aks aren't 400$ anymore. Will accept some trades"

All I can say is "wew lad."
>> No. 102754 ID: 52ed6e
In 1999, weren't they still importing factory doublestack AKs?
>> No. 102773 ID: 236bd6
AWB went into effect in '94, so I doubt it?
>> No. 102776 ID: 52ed6e
The doublestack magazine gimmick had nothing to do with the AWB.
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Now with 100% more redacted phone numbers!
>> No. 106646 ID: dcea3a
How did they get my gun?
>> No. 106648 ID: 128ea0

Didn't even know they made set triggers for AR15s.
>> No. 106649 ID: 19518e
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>set triggers for AR-15
>> No. 106653 ID: 128ea0
>With the rifle pointed in a SAFE direction and the selector in the “FIRE” position, push the selector lever forward, 12 to 15 degrees, until it comes to a stop, then release. The lever will return automatically.
>The rifle is now in the “SET” mode and will fire at 1.5 to 2 pounds of pressure on the trigger.
>After this shot has been fired, the rifle will automatically revert to the normal semi-auto mode of fire until the trigger is reset in the same way as described above.
>To “un-set” the trigger, push the selector lever to the “SAFE” position. This puts the weapon back in the semi-auto mode, and on “SAFE”.

>> No. 106654 ID: da39fa
That's really complicated.
>> No. 106659 ID: 19518e
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This would be perfect on a full length AR with all wood furniture.

I imagined a more standard set trigger where the trigger is pushed forward but bumping the safety isn't so bad. It certainly matches the unconventional image of a conventionally "tactical" rifle built to be an old sport style firearm.
>> No. 106703 ID: 9bc1b0

Not really. It boils down to "Shove all the way forward for set, shove all the way back to un-set".
>> No. 107115 ID: 2c9a4e
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Because the hits just keep coming.

>all-matching wartime production Colt 1911A1
>except that Grandpa had his buddies at the Ford plant plate the gun in bumper chrome after he stole it from the Army
>all original except for being completely refinished, right down to the fucking grip screws and the mainspring housing pin
>but that's a minor detail
>really, I'm serious
>"Glad to answer all questions"

Okay, I want to know how much crack he's smoking, and what makes him think his bumper-chrome-refinished surplus shooter is worth more than $250.
>> No. 107116 ID: 2c9a4e
oops. Forgot the URL.

>> No. 107117 ID: abee0a
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Unfortunately, WW2 Colt M1911A1s sell for $2000 to $4000, depending upon their condition and rarity factors. Even ones defaced by cheap chroming. WW1 1911s go for princely sums. And ones manufactured by third party companies like Remington Rand (who made typewriters) and Singer (who made sewing machines) can command outrageous sums over $100,000 to collectors.

Such as this example:
This is an original and correct example of a Colt 1911A1 that was manufactured in 1944. The parkerized finish rates at around 80+% with uniform thinning on the slide and frame. Proper grips, inspector mark and barrel. Magazine is 'R' marked. Excellent bore. $2,650
>> No. 107118 ID: abee0a
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Back in the mid-1980s, my friends and collected a few WW2 pistols, such as Browning Hi-Powers, British Webleys and Enfields, Victory revolvers, Italian pocket pistols, cheap Japanese pistols we couldn't find ammo for outside of ordering from the Shotgun News, and so on. My first pistol was a WW2 Walther P.38 I picked up for around $200 in 1986. But the WW2 Colt M1911A1 was too expensive for most of us.
>> No. 107119 ID: abee0a
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Spectacular "One Of A Kind" Serial Number "1" Singer Mfg. Model 1911A1 Semi-Automatic Pistol with History
Estimate Price: $55,000 - $95,000
This is certainly "One Of A Kind" find as it's probably considered the "Holy Grail" of all Model 1911A1 pistols, Singer Model 1911A1 Serial Number "1" pistol. The Singer Model 1911A1 pistols are the most sought after of any Model 1911A1 pistol or for that matter probably any pistol that was produced and issued during WWII. It is a well known fact that the Singer Manufacturing Co. produced a total of 500 pistols under Educational Order W-ORD-396 in 1940. They exhibit the high polish Dulite blue finish with excellent fit finish and that all of these Singer produced pistols were issued to the US Army Air Corp as a service side arm for air crews. There are very few Singer Manufactured Model 1911A1s still available on the collector market in original condition (like this example!). This specific pistol is accompanied with a copy of the handwritten note from the consignor, who obtained it from the daughter of the original owner. The copy of the handwritten note in part states: "My daddy was a sergeant in the United States Army and was a tail gunner in WWII. He was issued a Singer 45 auto Ser. #01. He was given a choice to purchase it. He did, my mom shot turtles in Oklahoma, until she gave it to me in 1995, we used it until sold in 2010." The left side of the slide is marked: "S. MFG. CO. / ELIZABETH, N.J., U.S.A." in two lines just ahead of the slide serrations, and the top of the slide is stamped with a "P" proofmark in front of the rear sight. The right side of the frame is marked "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" over serial number "No S800001" and "M 1911 A1 U.S. ARMY" directly in front of that. The left side of the frame is stamped with the initials; "JKC" for Col. John K. Clement who was the US Army Inspector of Ordnance in the district that the Singer Manufacturing Company was located, and there is a single "P" proof just directly above the magazine release button. The pistol still retains it's correct original brown plastic grips made by the Keyes-Fibre Co., that lacks the reinforcing web inside, with no mold number and without the reinforcing rings around the grip screws. It still retains it's original High Standard barrel that has the single "P" proof on the left side with the "HS" manufacturing mark on the right side. It has the finely checkered arched mainspring housing, with the lanyard ring on the bottom, standard fixed GI sights with the wide spur hammer with borderless checkering. The trigger, safety and slide release are also checkered. It is complete with two original WWII magazines, the single letter markings on the front lip of each base plate are an "L" and "R" which represents the M.S. Little Mfg. Co. Hartford CT. and the Risdon Mfg. Co. Naugatuck Conn. respectively. This pistol is complete with the original as issued BOYT leather shoulder holster (missing all the straps) that is marked on the back side, "U.S. BOYT 43". The holster has the center section of a large brass plate belt buckle with the "US" emblazoned on the front. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/51/1954/singer-1911a1-pistol-price-80500
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Beat-up 1911 that was used to shoot turtles in Oklahoma, but the first made Singer, so collectors will throw a ton of money at it.
This also has motivated people to make forgeries of the old Singers and other rarities, so sucker beware.
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In an effort to fulfill the need for 1911s during World War II, unconventional companies started making handguns. Union Switch and Signal put their railway equipment aside and made 1911s. Remington Rand put away the typewriter components and made 1911s. But the rarest of all 1911s were made by sewing machine maker Singer Manufacturing Company – and all of their guns were made prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Testing the feasibility of 1911 mass production, the Ordnance Department contracted with Singer in 1925 for an engineering study to see how many guns they could produce in a month. After the study was complete, it was determined that Singer could turn out as many as 25,000 1911s in a month.

In 1939, the Ordnance Department awarded a production study to Singer. This allowed them to fine-tune their production methods, come up with standard sizes for raw materials, and research the best production methods. The following year, under Educational Order W-ORD-396, Singer set out to make 500 1911A1 pistols. The goal of the order was a lofty one: eventual achievement of a production rate of 100 guns per hour.

Singer never hit the production rate goal, but they did fulfill their contract for 500 1911A1s. By 1941, Singer had divested themselves of the 1911 business and transferred their tooling and documentation to Remington Rand. As a result of this, Singers have the lowest production numbers of any 1911 model. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/logan-metesh/holy-grail-1911s-singer-1911a1/
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Obviously, this makes them incredibly rare and very valuable. It also makes them susceptible to fakes and forgeries. So how do you spot a genuine Singer 1911A1?

First off, start with the serial number. The range for Singers was S800001 to S800500. Anything outside of that range is bogus. Next up, check the markings. The left side of the slide will say, “S. MFG. CO. / ELIZABETH, N.J., U.S.A.” Then, look for a “P” in front of the rear sight and point the gun muzzle up. If the “P” appears upside down, it’s genuine. The left side of the frame will also be marked “JKC.” These are the initials for Col. John K. Clement, the Army Inspector of Ordnance, in the district where Singer Manufacturing Company was located.

With all of these clues, you’ll be in pretty good shape to spot a genuine Singer 1911A1 if you every run across one, but you still have to be wary of well-made fakes. After all, this is a gun that can sell for $30,000 or more, depending upon the condition.

At any rate, if someone offers to sell you an old 1911 that was made in Elizabeth, NJ, for $500, pay the man and run. Then, once you’re in a safe place, you can evaluate it to see if it’s a real-deal Singer. If it is, you just scored big-time. If it isn’t, well, it’s still a John Browning-designed 1911.
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Singer Manufacturing Co. Model 1911A1 Semi-Automatic Pistol - $414,000

This is the firearm that has set a world record! It is the most expensive Singer 1911 ever sold in a firearms auction. This very pistol was the previous similar record holder when it was sold in Rock Island Auction for $166,000 back in 2010. Moreover, it is not yet confirmed, but this pistol might be the most expensive 1911 pistol sold in an auction in general! There is also a possibility that this pistol could be the world’s most expensive WW2 firearm sold in an auction.

There were only 500 of 1911 pistols ever made by Singer Manufacturing Company. This particular one is also in exceptionally good condition. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/12/13/10-expensive-firearms-sold-december-2017-rock-island-premiere-auction/
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Documented Finest Condition U.S. Singer Manufacturing Co. Model 1911A1 Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Extra Magazines and History
Estimate Price: $160,000 - $240,000 (sold for $414,000)
This is the finest condition known example of a U.S. Model 1911A1 semi-automatic pistol that was from the 500 pistols manufactured by the Singer Manufacturing Co. under Educational Order W-ORD-396 in 1940. The contract of 500 Singer pistols were issued primarily to U.S. Army Air Corps squadrons. The pistol has the correct original and unique high gloss blue finish which is found only on U.S. Singer M1911A1 pistols. The Keyes Fibre stocks are checkered brown plastic and lack the reinforcing rings around the screw holes and interior strengthening ribs found on later production Keyes stocks. The pistol has the correct milled trigger with checkered face, short wide spur hammer and checkered slide stop, safety lock and mainspring housing. The left side of the slide is roll-stamped "S. MFG. CO./ELIZABETH, N.J.,U.S.A." in two lines. The right side of the frame is roll-stamped "UNITED STATES PROPERTY/M1911 A1 U.S.ARMY". The serial number "NoS800221" is stamped below the property mark. The serial numbers show the slight misalignment that is typical of Singer M1911A1 pistols. The left side of the frame is stamped with the "JKC" final inspection mark of Colonel John K. Clement Commander of the New York Ordnance District. A "P" proofmark is stamped on the left side of the frame above the magazine release, on the top of the slide between the ejection port and the front sight (the "P" faces left) and on the left side of the barrel lug. The barrel has a full blue finish and the only marking is the "P" proofmark. The pistol is complete with three magazines with high polish full blue finish and oversize floorplate pins. This pistol is accompanied by a notarized letter dated July 7, 2010, from Stephen Clark. The letter explains how 1st Lt. Charles H. Clark was a pilot in the U.S. Air Corps during WWII. Prior to his military service, Lt. Clark was a pilot for the U.S. Navy Reserve, stationed on an aircraft carrier in Long Beach, California. He worked as a test pilot for North American Aviation in 1941 and joined the Army Air Corps in 1942, stationed at Burtonwood Air Depot in England. On May 11, 1943, he piloted a B-17F out of Bovington Field, England, to Iceland to recover bodies and papers from a B-24 which crashed on May 3, 1943. In the crash, the pilot, co-pilot, 4 crewmen and 8 passengers were killed; the only survivor was the tail gunner, who escaped with only minor injuries. Among the recovered items by Lt. Clark was this Singer pistol which had been in his possession until October 7, 1958 when it was passed on to the son. Also with the pistol are 4 photographs of Lt. Clark, a section of the periodical "Take Off". North American Aviation Inc. of Texas, September 11, 1941, with an article about Clark, a copy of an individual flight record of 1st Lt. Clark for the month of May (year not recorded, writer assumes 1943, the month of the recovery) and a copy of an internet fact sheet with the summary of the circumstances of the crash of the on B-24 May 3, 1943 in Iceland. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/72/2446/documented-finest-condition-us-singer-manufacturing-co-model
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Yeah, nearly a half million dollars for this WW2 1911. Sure, in really good condition and made in a small batch by a who-gives-a-shit sewing machine company, but... $414,000?!?
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Just like these infuriating car auction TV shows of aging baby boomers paying top dollar for unremarkable cars. Especially muscle cars of the late 1960s to the early '70s. Back in the '80s, friends from high school worked extra jobs in order to buy a nice muscle car like a Barracuda or Super Bee for $2000 or so, but the damn things now sell at action for hundreds of thousands --even MILLIONS of dollars! Jesus Christ! Damn these old boomer fuck-sticks to hell!

The value of 1969 to 1971 muscle cars from Plymouth, Dodge, Pontiac and Chevrolet has spiked in value in the last 18 months, according to Dave Magers, CEO of Mecum Auctions. His firm recently sold a Plymouth Hemi Barracuda (known as a Hemi Cuda for short) for $3.5 million and another for $2.5 million in two West Coast auctions. Hemi refers to a Chrysler engine with a hemispheric combustion chamber and became the trademark name for that powerful V-8. https://www.cbsnews.com/media/5-muscle-cars-now-selling-for-millions/
- 1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Convertible - Price estimate: $2.75 to $3.5 million
- ​1971 Hemi Cuda Convertible - Price estimate: $2.25 to $2.75 million
- 1970 Dodge Hemi Challenger R/T Convertible - Price estimate: $2 to $2.5 million
- ​1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Convertible - Price estimate: More than $1 million
- 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 - Price estimate: $800,000 to $1 million
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And that $414,000 Singer 1911 wasn't the top seller!
The #1 went for this $460,000 Samuel Colt Presentation Colt Model 1862 Police Percussion Revolver

This revolver was made in 1861 and it was presented to Major Charles Traintor Baker by none other than Samuel Colt himself! It is one of the specially made, engraved and inscribed revolvers that Samuel Colt presented to government and military officials, business associates and friends. This revolver must be one of the last if not the last such revolver presented by Samuel Colt.
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Extraordinary and Historic Cased Deluxe Factory Engraved and Inscribed Samuel Colt Presentation Colt Model 1862 Police Percussion Revolver Presented to Major Charles T. Baker
Estimate Price: $140,000 - $240,000 (sold for $460,000)
This historic Model 1862 Police revolver was manufactured in 1861 (the first year of production) and presented by Colt founder Samuel Colt to Major Charles Traintor Baker (1821–1881). It is known that Colt revolvers were specially inscribed and presented by Samuel Colt to government officials, military leaders, business associates and personal friends. It is important to note Samuel Colt died on January 10 of 1862, making this gun certainly one of his last presentation revolvers, if not his last. This is not the first gun Colt presented to Major Baker. In fact, Colt presented Baker with a cased Model 1860 (serial number 7569), and this revolver resides at New York’s famed Metropolitan Museum of Art (MET). The Model 1860 is pictured and described in the MET’s "Notable Acquisitions, 1983-1984" on page 25 and R.L. Wilson’s “Samuel Colt Presents” on page 174 and featured on the MET’s online catalog. The MET’s Model 1860 was also manufactured in 1861, meaning that both revolvers were presented to Major Baker at the dawning of the Civil War. According to the MET’s records, Baker served as an officer in the 5th Regiment of Connecticut Volunteers at the time of the presentation. Although the writer was unable to find Baker’s name among the official Civil War record of men serving this regiment, it is interesting to note that the record does indicate a “one Colonel Baker from Windham County appearing as a military instructor of regiment.” Baker lived in Windham County where his home can still be viewed today and was an infantry tactics instructor at West Point. The rank of colonel could possibly be in error. Baker graduated from West Point on July 1, 1842. Upon graduation he was promoted to brevet 2nd lieutenant with the 3rd Infantry, served in the Second Seminole War in 1842, was in garrison at Ft. Stansbury, Florida, in 1842-1843 and Jefferson Barracks, Missouri, in 1843-1844, was on frontier duty at Ft. Jesup, Louisiana, in 1844 and Ft. Towson, Indian Frontier, in 1844-1845 and was an assistant instructor of infantry tactics at West Point from 1845 to 1851. He retired in December 1851, possibly with the rank of 1st lieutenant. His father, Colonel Rufus Baker (1790-1868), served in the U.S. Ordnance Corps and was elected president of Sharps Rifle Manufacturing Company in 1856. Samuel Colt was a master salesman above all his other attributes, and he found that the best kind of advertising that he could employ to promote his products were the products themselves. He handed out finely engraved and inscribed presentation guns to anyone he thought to be a worthy recipient. One of his guns placed in the hands of an influential person, believed Colt, would go a long way in winning support and acceptance of his products. Major Baker, an officer linked to a regiment organized in Colt’s hometown of Hartford, made a perfect candidate for one of Colt’s special presentation revolvers. The presentation of this revolver was also during a period when Colt was attempting to create a regiment fully armed with his products. This military unit became known as the 1st Regiment Colt’s Revolving Rifles of Connecticut but quickly disbanded before ever engaging in combat. Many disbanded soldiers from the Colt’s Regiment re-enlisted in the 5th Regiment of Connecticut Volunteers. The 5th Regiment of Connecticut Volunteers was organized in July 1861 at Hartford, participated in several engagements including Battle of Front Royal, First Battle of Winchester, Second Battle of Bull Run, Battle of Gettysburg, Atlanta Campaign and Battle of Bentonville and was mustered out of service July 1865. The factory presentation inscription to Major Baker is featured on the back strap: “Major Charles T. Baker/From Col. Colt.” (Note that the MET’s Model 1860 has an identical back strap inscription.) Most of the remaining surfaces of the revolver exhibit a beautifully executed foliate scroll engraving on a punch dot background which incorporates a wolf head on the left side of the barrel lug, the rear of the cylinder at each chamber and both sides of the hammer. The hammer spur is hand knurled and has a seven dot inverted "V" motif beneath the knurling. This style of engraving is indicative of revolvers from Gustave Young and his shop. The top of the barrel is stamped with the one-line New York address, the left side of the frame is engraved “COLT’S/PATENT,” and a cylinder flute is stamped with the patent date. The barrel and cylinder have the Colt extra high polish commercial blue finish reserved for special presentation pieces. It is truly an impressively rich finish that speaks volumes to the quality of Colt craftsmanship in the mid to late 19th century. The loading lever, frame and hammer are color casehardened, and the brass trigger guard and back strap are silver plated. The oiled one piece grip is highly figured walnut. Matching serial numbers are stamped on the frame, barrel, trigger guard, back strap, arbor pin and cylinder. The barrel wedge is un-numbered. The serial numbers on the barrel, frame, trigger guard and back strap are accompanied by a dot that indicates special attention by the factory. The factory partitioned case is lined in royal purple velvet and contains an Eley Brothers cap tin, “L” shaped wrench/screwdriver, extra hammer spring, extra hand, two extra percussion nipples, “COLTS/PATENT” marked two cavity bullet mold, package of Police combustible envelope cartridges (opened), and single face eagle Colt’s patent powder flask. Also take note that the MET's cased Model 1860 also has similar spare parts. Samuel Colt presentation revolvers are the rarest and most historic Colt percussion firearms.
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No, really, I ask... who would pay that kind of money for this?
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Reminds me of explaining the advantages of having a tribble...

SPOCK - There is something disquieting about these creatures.
MCCOY - Oh? Don't tell me you've got a feeling, Spock?
SPOCK - Of course not, Doctor. They remind me somewhat of the lilies of the field. They toil not, neither do they spin... but they seem to eat a great deal. I see no practical use for them.
MCCOY - Does everything have to have a practical use for you? They're... nice. They're furry and soft. They make a pleasant sound.
SPOCK - So would an ermine violin, Doctor, but I see no advantage in one.
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