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No. 33280 ID: 0dcdc8
  Yeah this looks potentially very awesome.
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>> No. 33281 ID: a34477
I actually dont think this will be very good. I thought it was with the other trailers but I am so not getting a star wars vibe from it. May just be me but I don't really have high hopes.
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I can't work up enough of a fuck to be excited about this. It'll probably be fine like the reboot Trek movies but nothing special I think but thats probably the best outcome.

Even if its fine the fans will probably hate it because Lucas ain't working on it or love it because Lucas ain't working on it. They'll complain that Abrams hates the Prequels when he invariably tries to decanonize them despite just a few years (if even that) they were still railing about how the Prequels suck and raped their dog and killed their parents and went in their homes and erased all their uncut unedited Star Wars OT non-Special Editions.

Fucking nerds will complain its too politically correct despite complaining how racist Jar Jar and the Nemoidians were.

Just bitch and bitch and bitch, you know like I am right now.

On the movie itself, I kinda like the cast kinda. John Boyega is a fine actor (Attack the Block was a good movie if you haven't seen it yet), Daisy Ridley is cute, Adam Driver was in some child rapist's tv show jacking off on people apparently, the pilot dude I've seen in stuff that was okay I think, and the OT cast are all fine. Gwendoline Christie is fucking tall as shit but cute and I dig a female stormtrooper especially one without fucking boob-cups (and find it hotter that way anyway, strangely Christie being tall as fuck kinda does it for me too).

Hell my only real complaint for the cast is the fact they have Andy Serkis doing yet another fucking CG character. Serkis is a good actor without a fucking mocap suit.

The story is probably going to be garbage. Done by fanboy motherfucker JJ LENS FLARE OH GOD MY FUCKING EYES Abrams who doesn't respect the franchise at fucking all, it sounds like a rehash of the OT to please the whiners who whined that the PT was too different. Rebels fighting the Empire (now its the Resistance vs the First Order) with Sith hunting some plucky Rebels on a desert planet that totally isn't Tattoine because its got 3 suns and racing to stop some super weapon controlled by some Dark Helmet douche with some family connection to the heroes.

Atleast the scenery porn should be nice and seeing actual stormtroopers again will be cool even if I'm halfway convinced I hate the First Order stormtrooper armor.

I'll probably maybe go see it in theaters thought not opening and certainly not in my armor but I ain't saying for certain whether I'll even do that considering everything between my continual loathing of Star Wars and my friends being a bunch of lazy good for nothing cocksuckers who I swear to fucking Christ I'd enjoy sticking fucking sharpened pencils in their bastard eyes some days.

Anyway, anybody got any idea what chest rig this guy has. This is an action figure but the actual costume looks the same but haven't been able to find any better pics of the actual costume
>> No. 33283 ID: 0b7429
That's because they hired a competent cinematographer.

I'm hoping it will be good, I like the Star Wars universe to an extent, but I hated that pudgy hack, Autismo Prime -- I mean, George Lucas. Fucker can't write, direct or edit on his own. He needs people to reel his bad ideas back, but the more powerful he became, the less people could do.
>> No. 33285 ID: 67d391
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>trailer at 0:49


Where nobody can see their workstation, or their own hands!

"Sir uh... we can't see anything... can we close the shutters?"
>> No. 33286 ID: 0ea1a5
When they make movies that add on to huge franchises like this and the hobbit. I simply don't give a fuck. Looks like another drunk movie theater fiasco for me. The hobbit was amazing drunk. But then I passed out after Gandalf took a shit after seeing Sauron. CALLING it right now the chick and Obama-jedi turn evil Luke back to the light after making him realize his dad was truly fucking evil and snap him out of a force trance.
>> No. 33287 ID: 0dcdc8
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Your choices are red, blue, or ucmj.

Red is acceptable mood lighting for slaughter, so shhh...
>> No. 33288 ID: c550c6
>forced nostalgia to make $

Typical hollywood, but I'm still intrigued.
>> No. 33289 ID: 9df540
Han Solo dies at the end
He's killed by Kylo Ren, who is Lukes son
Also the entire movie is about getting back a lightsaber
>> No. 33290 ID: 4930b8
The only worthwhile thing in this is Oscar Isaac, and I can see him in plenty of other films that are actually good.

I feel bad for you people that trust JewJew Abraham, king of exploiting existing popular franchises.
>> No. 33293 ID: f2c4ed
I'm with Doomguy. The cast seems solid, and I'm sure it'll be every bit as enjoyable as the latest pair of Star Trek movies, but I can't get all hyped up for the new Star Wars movies.

Oh, look, another desert (but it's not Tatooine), another jungle (but it's not Endor), another ice planet (totally not Hoth)...

I get that they had to discard the entire EU for licensing reasons. Honestly, I get that. Disney isn't going to EVER willingly give Timothy Zahn royalties for the best post-OT books written, and even a measly 5% of the gross would be close to $100,000,000 when it's all done. So we're not going to get a big-screen Thrawn Trilogy.

You buy licensing rights to names and concepts when you buy a franchise, what you don't want to do is put yourself in a position where you have to follow nearly four decades of added-on storylines, with dozens of contributing authors.

So I get it...

But I'm just not very hyped.

This isn't "The story we've all been waiting to see, how Anakin became Vader", this isn't even "We're getting a new story set a few decades ABY in the familiar EU", this is just "Here's a few names and concepts we recognize, and a story that probably won't even follow up the OT/PT."

So, in the end, I'll buy a ticket and watch it in a theatre, but I'm expecting to be underwhelmed by the story, overwhelmed by the visuals, and channeling thermonuclear nerd rage by the time it's over. It'll be fun, and I'm hoping that Han Motherfucking Solo gets to be the overwhelmingly cool guy he always was, but at the same time..I have no hype to give.

Maybe it's just a shit trailer. It's like "LOOK, IT'S FUCKING STAR WARS. HERE'S STAR WARS SHIT, AND HAN SOLO, AND LENS FLARES, AND MORE OBVIOUS STAR WARS SHIT THAT'LL SHOW UP IN THE TOY AISLE BECAUSE THIS IS STAR WARS", which doesn't do shit to make me want to see the film.

Unlike the best trailer I've seen in the past few years. Which wasn't just "HOLY SHIT IT"S MAD MAX!", it set up a vibe that was true to the film, and made me want to experience it. Yeah, it had spectacle, but it wasn't cheap, and did a good job and showing just enough that the >implications made by the trailer teased me into the theatre.

Even being optimistic, Star Wars 7 is going to be like Jurassic World. Good visuals, but the storyline will be driven by them, not the other way around.
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>> No. 33296 ID: 90a126
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>Star Wars 7 is going to be like Jurassic World

Thats probably how its going to be. A shallow but pretty movie that relies on nostalgia. Like Jurassic World with its "remember dis, remember dat" with BD Wong, the Park, and the T-Rex it will be the same with TFA with the OT cast, all the slightly different lazy as fuck X-Wings, Star Destroyers, stormtroopers, TIEs, and everything else.

Jurassic World wasn't a bad movie but it relied too much on nostalgia and wow special effects to cover up a shitty story.

And Han Solo is supposed to die .
>> No. 33297 ID: 667a5a
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Sounds retarded tbh

Maybe not worse than ITS SO DENSE or MESA GOO JAMAICA, but it would be hard to top that suck anyway
>> No. 33298 ID: 832f77
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>A shallow but pretty movie that relies on nostalgia.

So basically like normal Star Wars but with nostalgia?

I mean I'm a total Star Wars fangirl, don't get me wrong. I have opening night tickets (somehow it being 7:30 and not midnight is a little less fun but whatever). But the movies aren't deep! They always were a bit shallow. You think it was deep because you saw it as a kid, because you have your nostalgia goggles on, or because you're thinking of the EU which was always a different beast. And even then plenty of the EU wasn't that deep!
>> No. 33299 ID: 90a126
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Star Wars isn't all that deep either but its certainly more deep then Avatar or Jurassic World. And while the OT is in some ways the retelling of a standard heroes journey but in space it tries to do different shit with it unlike say Avatar where its literally Pocahontas in space. The Prequels are even more so their own beast that tells their own story unless you believe the theory its supposed to be about the Iraq War and I doubt I have to say what that is incorrect and bad.

While I did see Star Wars as a wee child I was too young to really get attached, like being 4 or 5 and so young I didn't understand what I was really seeing and thought the Death Star from Ep6 was the same from Ep4 just damaged. I only rediscovered Star Wars as a teen with the discovery of a Boba Fett book at the library and it helped to ignite my love for SW. It is kinda ironic now considering how much I hate Boba Fett but he was what got me into Star Wars.

And the EU was even more shallow then the movies. I can go on and on and on about how fucking shallow the EU was, how badly written it was (a trend that seems to be continuing in the new EU), how it made even the worst Star Wars movie (Episode 1 or 6) seem like goddamn Shakespeare in comparison. I hate the EU. The EU pretty much killed my love of Star Wars for awhile (and still hasn't recovered) and turned me into a formerly detested movie purist. Fuck the EU, fuck it right in Waru's dickhole. I'm so fucking glad its dead. I'm so fucking glad the adventures of the Mandawhorians are gone, that dumbass Daala doesn't exist, Darth Dumbass Jacen Solo and his Mand'oh dicksucking whore of a sister are even deader then their brother Anakin was, overjoyed that Chewie is alive, and practically weeping with joy that Kyp Durron is no more.

To reiterate, fuck the EU.
>> No. 33300 ID: 832f77
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>Star Wars isn't all that deep either but its certainly more deep then Avatar or Jurassic World.

We're talking about a puddle with slightly more water in it.

>To reiterate, fuck the EU.

See, that's the problem. You can't look at the EU as a whole any more than you can look at the Star Trek books as a whole. It's just official fanfic. Some fanfic is awesome! Some is weird crappy shit.
>> No. 33301 ID: 90a126
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>We're talking about a puddle with slightly more water in it.

Yes and no, but still Star Wars is a bit deeper. It actually had some thought put into it. Avatar didn't and Jurassic World didn't have much beyond "what would be cool?"

>See, that's the problem. You can't look at the EU as a whole any more than you can look at the Star Trek books as a whole. It's just official fanfic. Some fanfic is awesome! Some is weird crappy shit.

You could and to a degree still can look at as a whole considered the EU was a mostly cohesive universe. A universe that was until recently considered canon whereas ST books never have been.

Even now the old EU is still an official universe even if its no longer the canon universe and maintains a sort of integrity. The Trek books are just haphazard trash that has no sort of continuity or official supported.

There was an attempt to keep the EU straight, a policy of canon levels, and lore specialists that made sure story ideas stayed kosher with the established canon and it worked mostly. Now with the new EU (same as the old EU, shit) and the old EU reorganized as Legends its a clusterfuck with nobody sure if the Legends will continue, whether attempts will be made to keep it cohesive if it continues, what is Legends now like is Old Republic shit or Clone Wars shit Legends, and why the fuck people spent hundreds of dollars on books that now are essentially ascended fan-fiction.

But whatever to all dat, whether or not the EU is Legends, canon, or whatever it still with a very few exceptions sucks. I can look at the whole of the old and new EU and know this because this is a demonstrated fact. They are minimalist, poorly written, inconsistent shit that repeats the movies so fucking much that TFA looks fresh and with original ideas.
>> No. 33302 ID: ebb4ba
Explain how Star Wars is "deeper" than Avatar or Jurassic Park, or how being "deeper" is better. In fact, define what a "deep" plot is. I'm tired of hearing that critique, it's as bad as calling something pretentious.
>> No. 33303 ID: 9aea35
>hurr i saw the movies once
>i think
>im a total fangirl!
No you aren't

The only star wars films worth a damn were the original trilogy, watching the movies makes you a pleb at this point not a fan

Maybe you should read ANY part of star wars fluff before talking about it

JJ Abrams is a no talent hack and he's just continuing the ruination of the series, at least on film, which is why you should read the novels
>> No. 33304 ID: 90a126
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Star Wars isn't a blatant rip-off of another property and until recently the movies themselves stood alone without relying too much on nostalgia.

Deeper is better because shallow trash is........shallow trash. Its why 2001 is better then Transformers.

>you should read the novels

Or she could stab herself in the brain a couple times to get the same effect.

Reading the novels with the exception of some of the Zahn's stuff and the X-Wing books is a stab to the brain considering how bad they are. No not bad, Episode 1 was bad. The Ewoks were bad. The EU is beyond even horrible, its beyond even the Holiday Special. Its so fucking bad a new adjective needs made to describe how shitty goddamn shit it was (and still is).
>> No. 33305 ID: 832f77

Avatar actually had a fuckton of thought put into it--it was just all incredibly goofy thought.

> They are minimalist, poorly written, inconsistent shit that repeats the movies so fucking much that TFA looks fresh and with original ideas.

I agree that it's incredibly uneven. The thing is: how is this shallow compared to the movies? They're good movies, but they ain't deep. And that's okay! That isn't criticism. Star Wars was never really attempting to be deep in the original trilogy, and the prequels show what a bad idea a real attempt was.

>No you aren't

Dude I fucking grew up on the Kevin J. Anderson/Rebecca Moesta Young Jedi Knights series. I had Star Wars action figures instead of barbies. Don't fucking even, casual.
>> No. 33306 ID: ebb4ba
>talking about a film franchise
That's totally on point about how calling something 'deep' is poor criticism. Completely not autistic and non sequitur at all. God damn, you sure showed me. I'll be sure to never challenge your authority on a child's merchandise franchise again.

>Deep is good because it's good and if it isn't it's garbage
I asked for you to qualify your opinions and that's all you can muster?
>> No. 33307 ID: 90a126
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>Avatar actually had a fuckton of thought put into it

Yeah.....when it was still called Pocahontas. The only thought that went into the movie itself was into the special effects much the same as the much maligned prequels but Avatar gets a pass because hair sex.

>I agree that it's incredibly uneven.

Uneven would mean there is atleast as many good things in the EU as bad. Be it books, comics, games, or even action figures (it took them forever to make a decent looking stormtrooper action figure) they are predominately bad even if to varying degrees. The books especially have far more crap then gold.

>The thing is: how is this shallow compared to the movies?

They are shallow compared to the movies because much of the shit was just retreads of the movies. Most of it was yet more Luka, Leia, and Han adventures fighting yet another Imperial threat with yet another superweapon. It was so lazy they refought long vanquished foes including the Emperor, Fett and Maul. They even repeated the twins with similar sounding names thing.

>They're good movies, but they ain't deep. And that's okay! That isn't criticism. Star Wars was never really attempting to be deep in the original trilogy,

They are certainly more deep then alot of shit even if they are still pretty shallow. The plot is more then just a paper thin hack job there only to show pretty effects.

>the prequels show what a bad idea a real attempt was.

No, the Prequels show us what a bad idea making shit for fanboys is because you can't please fanboys.

>I asked for you to qualify your opinions and that's all you can muster?

I can muster more if you insist. Deeper is better (though not good) because there is some effort put into it. Someone tried to make something good, something new and possibly original. They might fail but still an effort was made.

Shallow works are invariably garbage because no effort was put into them. They are a slapped together shit heap that relies on special effects or thrills to carry the thing, not plot, not characters.

Why is Transformers inferior to 2001? Clearly they were both special effects driven and one can argue roboballs and all Transformers effects beat out 2001's models and props. But 2001 A Space Odyssey has a story behind it. The effects serve the story, the story isn't just there to move from special effect to special effect.
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>Yeah.....when it was still called Pocahontas.

I'm sorry. Are you attempting to tell me Disney's Pocahontas is deep? Where's the depth? Just around the riverbend? Hell, there's more depth in Pocahontas 2, where Pocahontas realizes John Smith is kind of a douche and breaks up with him (seriously). Of course they cut out the part where she's a young teenager when she meets Smith and later dies of disease but ANYWAY depth ain't really a thing here

>Most of it was yet more Luka, Leia, and Han adventures

What do you think the audience wanted, here?

>No, the Prequels show us what a bad idea making shit for fanboys is because you can't please fanboys.

"I know what pleases fanboys! Trade negotiations. Fanboys fucking love trade negotiations. Oh! and put in HOVER SENATORS. And make sure they know Jedis don't fuck, not ever. Or they turn evil. MIDICHLORIANS."

>Shallow works are invariably garbage because no effort was put into them.

I disagree. A hell of a lot of effort was put into Star Wars (and Jurassic World, and Avatar, et cetera). But only so much "depth" can fit into a two hour movie that's aimed at a broad audience. If you want depth you have to go to a different genre. Not space fantasy.
>> No. 33309 ID: 70d38f
>dat pic
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>I'm sorry. Are you attempting to tell me Disney's Pocahontas is deep?

Its certainly derper then the shit ripping it off though considerably less deep then the real story it rips off. Its a story about societal traditions and their limits, meeting new peoples, prejudices, creepy tree grandmas, and I think a hunting subplot.

>What do you think the audience wanted, here?

They wanted a continuation of the Star Wars story but they wanted something new too, they wanted existing characters to grow and new characters that were the equal of the old to be introdouched. The main complaint alot of people had back in the day though was the fact its seemed like the big 3 were in everything to the point of absurdity. Its the same complaint people have (had) about Tattoine appearing in everything.

>I know what pleases fanboys.......

They weren't trying to please fanboys, which was part of the problem kinda considering the people that would be watching this and most vocal about their hate would be the fanboys. The average movie goer didn't seem to hate the Prequels, children who grew up with them love them, casual Star Wars fans like them well enough until the internet told them they shouldn't.

Fanboys were the ones who hated them with such flaccid penis fury. They were pissed because Lucas told his story, put on screen the midichlorians and Anakins that he'd be writing about since the 70s. The fanboys wanted their story told, they wanted their fanfiction about the Clone Wars to match what was on screen. They wanted massive fights between Jedi clones with Mandalorian commandos flying around fighting Jedi General OB-1 and big breasted green alien women jumping on trampolines.

They didn't get that so they were pissed.

And Jedi are allowed to have sex but can't form attachments. So they can fuck but no cuddling afterwards.

>I disagree. A hell of a lot of effort was put into Star Wars (and Jurassic World, and Avatar, et cetera)

I disagree with your disagreement. Star Wars had alot of work put into with multiple completely different scripts made before the final product and thats without even getting into the effort to get it made dealing with the studio and the fact some of the techniques to do the movie had to be invented.

Avatar had alot of effort put into making it shiny and chrome and a crapton of effort into its marketing. Jurassic World had alot of effort put into making it nostalgic and creating a realistic reaction to Jimmy Fallon "comedy". Neither had much of a story beyond the stuff they ripped off and neither had much in the way of new technology or techniques developed just for the films.

Now that ain't me trashing Jurassic World (though it is me trashing Avatar because Avatar is as bad as people make out the prequels to be) but it was still a very derivative movie. And kinda stupid at times. Like seeing the old abandoned Park, it was awesome but kinda stupid. So was the raptor and T-Rex team-up fight, awesome but stupid. Or the iMurdersaurus Rex, really awesome but so goddamn pants on head retarded in every way.
>> No. 33311 ID: ebb4ba
Oh, you actually think film is a narrative medium. That's pretty sad if I'm being honest.

Again, define what the hell you think 'deep' means. What is the deepest movie in your opinion? What is the shallowest?

Is Collateral a deep movie because it broke ground with digital photography? Was it deep because Michael Mann started developing a new style of cinema by embracing the strengths of digital cameras? Or was it shallow because the story could be boiled down to "hitman forces cabbie to drive him around to his hits?"

And Star Wars isn't deep. It is the archetypal hero's journey, something that had been around for centuries before 1977. All it did was put it in a fantastical space setting. Which, when you think about it, is exactly what Avatar did.
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>Oh, you actually think film is a narrative medium.

Films are a narrative medium as much as they are visual. They have a script, a story structure. They tell a story not just show pretty pictures. Well atleast a good movie does.

>Again, define what the hell you think 'deep' means. What is the deepest movie in your opinion? What is the shallowest?

Deep means having some thought, some emotion, evokes feelings from the viewer, not shallow. Has some depth to it, not something that has all the depth of the average porn movie.

And I don't know what I'd consider the deepest, I don't watch a ton of movies. Probably right now I'd consider The Fisher King because its probably the only movie I've watched recently that wasn't shallow action bullshit. The shallowest would probably be some shitty parody movie like Starving Games.

>Is Collateral a deep movie because it broke ground with digital photography? Was it deep because Michael Mann started developing a new style of cinema by embracing the strengths of digital cameras? Or was it shallow because the story could be boiled down to "hitman forces cabbie to drive him around to his hits?"

I can't comment on the story because its been forever since I watched it and I'm unlikely to watch it again because of the actor in it but it sounds like it is technically deep while its story is shallow kinda like AvatavA.

>And Star Wars isn't deep. It is the archetypal hero's journey, something that had been around for centuries before 1977. All it did was put it in a fantastical space setting. Which, when you think about it, is exactly what Avatar did.

Which is why I never said Star Wars was that deep. But its deeper then Avatard because it actually took that story and did a little bit different with it. It might have closely follow the Joseph Campbell guide to the stereotypical heroes journey pretty closely but it wasn't a 1 for 1 lift of an earlier stories like King Arthur. LotRs, or Wizard of Oz (though Oz could only have been improved with lazer swords).

Avatar is pretty much a direct copy of the Disneyfied Pokeherhotass, fuck they couldn't even change John Smith's name all that fucking much. Never has a name been so on the nose since John Conner as a Jesus Christ metaphor (which really fucks with your head considering they pretty much turned him into the devil in Genisys, I guess the atheist conspiracy or something).

And thats pretty much par for course with James Cameron movies, rip-offs of other shit. Terminator is a rip-off of some Harlan Ellison stories, Aliens is Starship Troopers meets Vietnamistan, the Abyss rips off a HG Wells story with a similar name, and who knows what True Lies was rip-off from. Titanic however was a completely original tale clearly inspired by nothing NOTHING else clearly.
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Watching post original trilogy movies is a stab of cock in the brain by comparison

Faggot your entire quibble is you 'don't understand why people think its deep', well I'm giving you one answer, don't fucking complain about an answer you asked for

Actually what Avatar did was rip off verbatim a Judge Dredd 2000ad comic (The Fire Kind), it had nothing to do with Pocahontas, Cameron knew of the 2000ad comic through a friend

In this comic a blue savages live in trees, have a psychic connection to their planet and fly on dragons
They try to stop a corporation from mining a rare mineral on their planet of floating rocks because the largest mineral concentration is below their home forest
Oh and and one of the miner researchers goes turncloak to help them

The plugging his body into an avatar is from Call Me Joe, which is a famous novel literally everyone into science fiction has read, I could forgive that element

>archetypal hero's journey
Look at the cute sophist trying to sound all intellectual! Except Pocahontas was a real person

>Oh, you actually think film is a narrative medium.
What's sad is that people like you exist and vote with your wallets to ruin an entire art form
>> No. 33317 ID: faf5b0
Star Wars hasn't been good since Return of the Jedi in 1983.

Abrams has never directed a good film in his life.

Why would you even get your hopes up for this.
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>> No. 33320 ID: 832f77
>Avatar is pretty much a direct copy of the Disneyfied Pokeherhotass, fuck they couldn't even change John Smith's name all that fucking much.

Okay, real talk: how long has it been since you've seen Pocahontas? I think I was a bit too mean to it--it does have some great music, and Hunchback of Notre Dame pretty much proves you don't need to be true to source material to make a good narrative--but I'm not seeing these total parallels with Avatar at all. A lot of movies about [usually white male but not always] explorers encountering other cultures play with the same tropes. It's not copying Pocahontas, it's just part of the same genre.
>> No. 33321 ID: 832f77
Also--I think we have to prepare for big differences between the core 7-8-9 trilogy and the other movies that are going to be coming out in the franchise. Rogue One is probably going to be a lot grittier and possibly more "deep," whatever the fuck that means, while the core three will be family and kid-merchandise friendly movies.

It's like the difference between the Avengers movies (look at all these guys meeting up and being together and explosions! Golly gee wow buy the set, the Captain America movies (hey kids my ex girlfriend is an old lady with Alzheimers) and Daredevil (we're allowed to do what on Netflix? Awesome let's do it then).
>> No. 33322 ID: 90a126
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Its been awhile, atleast since a kid but I know the basic story John Smith comes to the New World under orders from Governor guy who in reality got a tepee for Pocahontas, meets the natives, falls in love with a already called for native girl, assists the natives in fighting off the outsiders, and gets the native girl after the dude she didn't love gets offed.

Its pretty much the same story for Avatar just.....IN SPACE!!!!! and done even more poorly.

Now its a pretty common trope that Avatar and Pocahontas play in, the white savior troper, that includes such movies as the very similar Fern Gully, Dances with Wolves, and Far Cry 3 but Avatar and Pocahontas aren't just similar but practically clones of each other just one clone is a blue kitty alien and the other has mouse ears.

I don't mind differences between the movies honestly, one of the things I defend the PT trilogy about. Its a different feeling then the OT and that makes sense. Its a different age, a peaceful age that moves into a age of open warfare where all the war fighting machines were brand spanking new.

The OT is in an age after that war in a time of continuing strife but no major open warfare. All the space planes and shit are worn from decades of use, all the people have been living for atleast 2 decades under the heel of the Empire.

The ST should be even more different being 50 years after the fall of the Old Republic and 30 since the Empire collapsed. 50 years since the Jedi were common. 50 years since there was peace. 30 years for people to start thinking that maybe the Empire wasn't so bad. 30 years of mismanagement by the idiot New Republic.

The ST should be as far removed from the OT as the PT is from the OT if not more.
>> No. 33324 ID: c550c6

Dances With Wolves is MUCH closer to Avatar, except it was a good movie.
>> No. 33325 ID: 90a126
  Hey guis, they just released the final trailer for Force Awakens!

Does feels!
>> No. 33328 ID: 0dcdc8
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The nerd rage is palpable in this thread.

Thanks for the laughs.


I particularly like the "You are not a real SW fan because you did not watch the originals" Even though they have been re-released 23748923749238742 times in multiple forms of re-masters, and you make an assumption that she has only seen the movies once.

Regarding this part of the discussion
>But the movies aren't deep! They always were a bit shallow.

Star Wars was written and shot in the Wagner operatic style. The three acts (IV, V and VI) cover that gambit of story telling to a T.

Star Wars at the core is an action adventure saga. Some of you are critical of the series because the action adventure movie does not delve into hours of ancillary character development and then lob insults such as plebian for those who do not agree with that point of view.

Stare at the slide and watch this develop. It is about "deep" as you seem to be able to fathom in story telling.
>> No. 33337 ID: 9aea35
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>if you don't like a shit movie with a cookie-cutter plot you have no culture
OOOHH KAAAAAY BUDDY!!! Just because there are trends and tropes in cinema does not mean the director can get away with making zero original contribution aside from signature lens flares, a hero with a thousand faces isn't meant to be used to justify laziness you fucking philistine sophist
>> No. 33338 ID: 0dcdc8
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The irony of your post.

Thank you for proving my point.
>> No. 33339 ID: 0dcdc8
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Epic work!

Apparently there is some big push happening about the movie in Russia, and the Russian government is on board.

>> No. 33340 ID: 70d38f
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>about the movie in Russia, and the Russian government is on board
Never change, Merica, never change.
>> No. 33341 ID: 0dcdc8
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Implying that Ukraine is not a sock puppet for Russia at this point.

Never change RT shill, never change.
>> No. 33342 ID: 70d38f
  >Ukrainians in American police uniform arrest a Ukrainian citizen in American costume
I dare say it is hard to underestimate such kind of allegory.

>sock puppet for Russia
Would you like to try to be convincing, at least?
>> No. 33345 ID: 0dcdc8
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proofs from your own news organization.

>> No. 33354 ID: 798a48
I saw this trailer for the first time last week. When is this supposed to take place? I see an old Han Solo played by Ford but then I thought I saw a Darth Vader looking figure again.

In lieu of watching the actual movies usually I just read the Wikipedia articles, but I did watch the Red Letter Media critique for Episode III.

I've grown up around the impression that the original trilogy was only culturally significant because of developments in special effects and because at the time, due to their familiarity with most students they were a good classroom example of showing the Joseph Campbell hero's journey model.

These days I think the focus is supplanted by more effective use of CG and I don't think the franchise is even a fraction as significant in post-millenial fandoms, but then again I've been out of the loop for this sort of thing for a long while now.
>> No. 33355 ID: 798a48
Also, my brother said that people shouldn't get to wound up about it, because we'll see about fifty more in our lifetime.

Personally I don't think US production models can pull that off, because the closest thing to that sort of consistency I can think of are the Dr. Who series.
>> No. 33362 ID: 798a48
Also also, I couldn't bring myself to watch the Hobbit live-action films once I found out about Evangeline Lilly's character.

I get it, I get it, about adaptations and whatnot, and yeah LotR wasn't perfect either, and I'm sure there are a couple examples somewhere in my head of things I enjoyed in media that I knew weren't part of the source material, but in this case introducing a completely original character is something that at the end of the day I just can't get over in order to watch and enjoy the movies.

Like, I know Tolkien's estate refused to sell the rights to Unfinished Tales and the Sil, but Jesus, there had to have been somebody actually named that they could have used, even if they had to mischaracterize or exaggerate, if you really had to balance out the cast.
>> No. 33375 ID: 0dcdc8
  Apparently... This appears still prepared to be ready to rock your motherfucking world.
>> No. 33376 ID: f10ed4
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Those tie fighters coming in from the sunset...
>> No. 33382 ID: 90a126
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Yeah, I gotta admit that shot was pretty badass. If nothing else the cinematography when it ain't blinding with lens flare should be beautiful.

Thats one of my main complaints about the 1st two prequels is they didn't have any real shots that made me go "wow".

Episode 3 was chock full of them (the opening shot of the Battle of Coruscant, sexy curly haired Padme and little orphan Ani staring in silence while some pretty damn good music plays, the Jedi Temple on fire, Anakin about ready to murder some kids, Anakin kill fucking the Seps while having the worse case of pink eye ever and more) but Episode 1 and 2 didn't have shit.

TFA looks like its going to have some pretty amazing looking setpieces that will make me go wow. Already shit we've seen like the crashed Star Destroyer, the Imperial.....sorry First Order rally and the Flametroopers flammenwerfing some people look like it will be bretty cool.

I just hope they didn't stick all the cool shots in the trailers like some movies do.
>> No. 33384 ID: 0dcdc8
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>> No. 33385 ID: f2c4ed
I'll give JJ Abrams one thing; he's damn good at setting up visual spectacles. I'm not a superfan of the two ST movies he did, they're certainly very different in feel than the old series', but damn, did they have some beautiful shots or what? That scene were the Enterprise comes up out of the ocean in the second one, or the fight scene on the planet-boring-thingy in the first one...those were amazing.
>> No. 33386 ID: 90a126
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You fucking said it dude. The Abrams Trek were....okay. The story was meh. I enjoyed the first well enough though the 2nd was dumb wannabe Wraith of KHANNNNNNN!!! KHANNNNNNNN!!! with some 9/11 truther shit in it but both movies visually were top notch. Pretty much any shot was scenery porn (I particularly love any shot with the Vengeance).

Of course thats a problem alot of Trekkies had with those movies is the fact they were all style and no substance. Thats what I fear Abrams will do with the sequel trilogy.
>> No. 33391 ID: c550c6
>> No. 33392 ID: ebb4ba
>dude apocalypse now lmao
>> No. 33441 ID: 48b31b
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Here's what we know based on leaks.
>Evil Empire rules galaxy, fought by a plucky rebellion led by a Princess.
>Introduced to a Desert world, where an old ally of Rebels has spent decades in hiding
>secret message placed by Rebel Leader inside cute droid before capture
>Cute droid becomes property of desert kid with mysterious past and dreams of galactic adventures
>Our youthful heroes find an old man who tells them about the Force and mentors them. Also, Chewbacca and the Millennium Falcon are involved
>One of the heroes learns he can use the Force. Is given Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber
>Millennium Falcon accidentally runs into planet-sized Imperial Superweapon
>Heroes learn Rebel Leader is imprisoned on Superweapon, devise plan to rescue prisoner
>Mentor character audience has grown to love dies
>Heroes escape
>Rebels devise last-ditch plan to stop Imperial Superweapon

>Alien Cantina
>Tiny wise mystical green alien
>masked Villian who uses the Dark Side
>Bigger Dark Side villain who is only hinted at who is masked villain's boss and rules Empire
>Mysterious gun-toting villain who is made to look cool
>Crazy plot-twist family relationship reveals

It's 'A New Hope' reboot with some story hooks from 'The Empire Strikes Back' thrown in, with enough nostalgia to make it past people's critical faculties.
>> No. 33444 ID: 67d391

That's not a planet, that's a battlestation.

>> No. 33445 ID: 67d391

It's a Death Planet this time that kills stars. Instead of a Death Star that kills planets.

So its totally different, right guys?
>> No. 33446 ID: f2c4ed

This was worth the read. And it makes me want to rewatch the OT/PT in a marathon.

Apparently, George Lucas didn't just shit out the PT like we all thought he did, he actually did a lot of very, very specific things that all line up very cohesively across all six movies.
>> No. 33448 ID: 67d391

You mean he copied the basics of Wagner's operatic style? Most specifically from 'Der Ring des Nibelungen'? Yup.
>> No. 33449 ID: f2c4ed
Wagner didn't invent that way of telling stories, and Star Wars has been called "space opera" since before the prequels, but basically, yes.

Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief. Nothing's truly original, everything's based on something that came before, with a new idea added to it, a new paint job, and some spin.
>> No. 33450 ID: 67d391

Eh not begrudging him for it, some concepts are so basic and intrinsic now that they're virtually impossible to claim it was 'stolen', more just that its in the public domain for use.
>> No. 33454 ID: 13da80
There still has to be _something_ original in the movie, even if it's just an interesting composition of a bunch of pre-existing tropes.

J.J. Abrams clearly lacks even that.
>> No. 33455 ID: f2c4ed
It's not that Lucas didn't make a very original trio of films, it's just that it was a Wagnerian opera set in space. He used storytelling techniques and structures that add up to a fairly deep composition, if one is inclined to dig a little deeper.

In the end, Lucas' films have two layers. There's the grand, visual, adventurous film, and then a deeper layer of philosophy that's got something to say. Which is good, most good films do that.

Abrams is not known for this. He's fantastic at making grand, adventurous visual spectacles, but there's probably not going to be a great deal of depth, no messages within the movie. I mean, feel free to point out where I'm wrong, but I don't recall anything in either of the two latest ST movies. Not even "war is bad".
>> No. 33456 ID: 67d391

Its an opera with lasers. People watching this dumb crap are digesting a form of high culture without even knowing it.

In this, I highly applaud Lucas even if his actual content creation was... rough, to say the least. The concept of the space opera is of classical composure moving past ancient mythology and into modern reality and future-looking mythology...


...Which yes, JJ cannot say for himself, and he is a hack who should just go crawl into a hole and never come out again.
>> No. 33475 ID: de0bec
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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>> No. 33476 ID: 90a126
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Some of the wepons of Star Wars The Force Snoozes. Some appear based or built on real weapons and real optics though atleast to my untrained eye the optics look backwards alot of times.

First the two stock Cap'n Phasma blaster.
>> No. 33477 ID: 90a126
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>> No. 33478 ID: 90a126
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The Nu-Stormtrooper blaster. Apparently its magazine is on the opposite side from a real Sterling for easier holstering.
>> No. 33479 ID: 90a126
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Apparently the folding stock on the E-11s and F-11s are not stock but grips. From what I heard the Sterlings buttplate was used as a grip anyway so I guess it works.
>> No. 33480 ID: 90a126
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This one appears to be based on a 1911 judging by the trigger and eject button.
>> No. 33481 ID: 90a126
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This one I assume to be a complete fabrication though maybe its based on an BB gun considering the CO2 cartridge thats part of it.
>> No. 33482 ID: 90a126
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I guess made from a Sterling casting maybe? Also the scope looks backwards.
>> No. 33483 ID: 90a126
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Finn's shoota after he turns into a damn dirty Rebel......I mean Resistance Scum. Looks to be based on a G-36 meaning the Resistance might be fighting the Evil Empir.......First Order but they are using the products of another. Because even in another galaxy H&K thinks you suck and hates you.
>> No. 33484 ID: 90a126
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I assume a complete fabrication.
>> No. 33485 ID: 90a126
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Appears to be a bog standard DH-17 as seen in the OT which was based on the Sterling.
>> No. 33486 ID: 90a126
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Based on a Sig maybe?
>> No. 33487 ID: 90a126
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Another that I'm guessing is a complete fabrication with a Co2 cartridge stuck on it.
>> No. 33488 ID: 90a126
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No fracking idea.
>> No. 33489 ID: 90a126
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This one should be incredibly obvious to figure out what it is.
>> No. 33490 ID: 90a126
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Another shot of the Finn blaster with stock extended giving even more evidence of its G-36 nature. I wonder if it too overheats and melts if it fires too much and there was a bunch of shady shit done by the company and government to cover the shit up?
>> No. 33491 ID: 90a126
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Possibly a complete fabrication. Dunno. The grip looks vaguely familiar but its at a bad angle for me to tell what it might be.
>> No. 33492 ID: 90a126
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Another that I have no fucking clue.
>> No. 33493 ID: 90a126
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Another possible complete fabrication. Looks to be the same gun Rey handles (she can handle my gun if you get my meaning) in the trailer. Looks a bit like a "futurized" DL-44.
>> No. 33494 ID: 90a126
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The new Stormtrooper grenade replacing the thermal detonator. Appears to have part of a AR sight on the top. Why would they need a sight for a grenade?
>> No. 33495 ID: 90a126
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And the Elite Stormtrooper grenade. Some fairly interesting props.
>> No. 33496 ID: 1ba9d8
Not gonna lie, I want that.
>> No. 33497 ID: ebb4ba
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Those props look like absolute fucking garbage tbh fam. Only JewJew would think painted plastic would be acceptable.
>> No. 33498 ID: 90a126
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Uhhhm, jew may not realize this but in every movie most of the blasters were painted plastic, well resin. There were blank firing E-11s in ANH and ESB but most of the guns were props cast from real guns.

You can bitch about alot of things JJ did but using prop guns cast from real guns is something that was happening since the first movie.
>> No. 33499 ID: 90a126
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The DH-17 from A New Hope. Clearly not a real gun. Clearly a kinda shitty casting with some paint slapped on.
>> No. 33500 ID: 90a126
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Pretty obviously based on a STG-44 but also clearly not made from a real one.
>> No. 33501 ID: 90a126
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Parts from a M16 and some airgun.

A considerably better casting. Still not a real gun though.
>> No. 33502 ID: cfe73e
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BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol

One of the weapons utilized by the Rebels in the films is the "BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol". These blasters are first seen in A New Hope used by Rebel troops against Stormtroopers on the blockade runner Tantive IV and are later seen being carried by guards and officers on the Death Star. These were nonfunctional props with the receiver and pistol grip based on casts from a Sterling SMG (hence the larger trigger guards) and a (back then) distinctive looking Singlepoint OEG (Occluded Eye Gunsight) attached. Consequently, the muzzle flashes were added in post-production. There is an interesting continuity error where a couple of Imperial guards start off carrying this weapon but then switch to the E-11, firing it one handed like a pistol no less. This is perhaps because they looked similar enough and blanks provided a better reference point for adding blaster effects later.
In The Empire Strike Back, it is the weapon of a few Rebel soldiers on Hoth and a couple of guards on Darth Vader's Super Star Destroyer. For the film, the DH-17s were made from real Sterlings and were usable props that could actually fire. Despite the prop upgrade, the weapon had very little overall screen time during the film. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars
>> No. 33503 ID: cfe73e
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>> No. 33504 ID: cfe73e
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>> No. 33505 ID: ebb4ba
>hero guns were modified existing weapons
>now they're abysmally painted and finished pieces of plastic shit like >>33483 and >>33481

Have you ever considered thinking before posting?
>> No. 33506 ID: 90a126
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>Have you ever considered thinking before posting?

Nope but neither have you.

There was firing guns in ANH and ESB but a majority of the guns weren't, even hero guns. Han Solo's DL-44 was a real gun in ANH but after that prop walked off it was always a resin casting of the original gun or built from shitty pot metal Model Gun Corporation replicas.

There were few if any actual weapons in ROTJ, all were cast replicas or built on shitty replicas. Even the Sterling E-11 was made off of MGC replicas and castings. While most weren't painted as terribly as some of The Force Sleeps in Ten Minutes props some like >>33499 were and just as poorly made.

So clearly you a force damned moron bitching about how Abrams ruined Star Wars and blah blah bitch bitch when your bitching is fucking moronic considering what you are bitching about is old hat for Star Wars.
>> No. 33507 ID: 06a0fb
looks more like a Zastava EZ-9 with grip panels cut short of the beavertail.
>> No. 33508 ID: efe2b9
Look, we all know that Star Wars is a big toy commercial, right?

If they're gonna sell a bunch of kids fake guns, you might as well have them look like fake guns so no one gets Swatted.
>> No. 33509 ID: f2c4ed
Why bother making them look fake? People aren't very smart, might as well make the toys look cool. Here's a story about dumbasses overreacting to a *microphone stand*.

>> No. 33510 ID: 06a0fb
This lady in Pennsylvania had her camera tripod mistaken for a fucking Minigun.

>> No. 33525 ID: ff0dcf
Yeah, this.

I mean think about that poor kid in Cleveland. Imagine the PR if someone got shot holding your branded toy.

Besides, I can't really complain; the weapons look like they belong in-universe. They didn't make them all neon colors or something. They match. If you don't like it you could just paint the toy, they already do that with Nerf.
>> No. 33528 ID: ebb4ba
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Did I hurt your feelings by being right?

The new guns look like cheap hasbro shit, the OT and even prequel weapons actually looked like functional weapons. But by all means, keep pecking at the "muh resin" argument until you're blue in the face.

JewJew is a lazy hack on par with prequel Lucas with an inferior visual sense, get over it and stop tying your pathetic identity to the worth of the biggest toy commercial ever.
>> No. 33534 ID: 7eee47
Actually weren't a lot of them actually functionally weapons? Considering a lot were WWII replicas with added shit.
>> No. 33535 ID: c1c101
If you watch the original trilogy, there are a few points where you can see the E-11 blaster rifles (Stormtrooper standard issues) ejecting brass.
>> No. 33541 ID: 46fb53
  I just heard that Mace Dindu ain't really a jedi. He just uses a lightsaber untill he gets his ass kicked by Kylo Ren and Rey has to save him. Looks like those people that talked about those script changes disney made were right.
>> No. 33542 ID: 7eee47
huh that might explain why sometimes laser guns have recoil and other times they don't in the movies
>> No. 33543 ID: de0bec
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Star wars is the most entertaining thing thing of the month, but not in the way that disney wants.
>> No. 33544 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33545 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33546 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33547 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33548 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33549 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33550 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33551 ID: 9aea35
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OK that was an objectively bad film, period

You want to ignore the canon violations?
Fine, I can live with that, Lucas has made canon violations canon anyway

You want to ignore the shitty dialogue, story, sets and jar jar tier CGI?
Hell I'll ignore all these failures because we're operatorbros and some shit is just a given

The acting was like an ejection seat for the entire experience, it completely prevented immersion and I felt like every few minutes the ejection seat broke my neck on punchout
If you want me to ignore the shitty acting by inexperienced actors who act like middle school drama club you are no longer an operatorbro, and we cannot have civil discourse
>> No. 33552 ID: 9aea35
  At least this guys horrible acting can be excused by some "he's an autistic sociopath" excuse
>> No. 33553 ID: b47376

I was really afraid of that. Large demographic appealing story & shitty acting, with Hollywood bling sprinkled all over it.
I wanted to like the new cast, but from the trailers alone, I got a pretty bad feel about their performance. The wonky robot & fairly shitty sabre design didn't help either.

I don't think I'll go see it unless a group of friends drags me along to go watch it. Or unless OPchan can convince me that it was worth a look.
>> No. 33554 ID: d95b0a
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"Stormtroopers and a Dark Lord chase a young desert orphan who is Force-sensitive and has a mysterious past, owns a runaway droid containing secret information, who watches a mentor die, joins the rebellion, and helps destroy a planet-killing superweapon whose only weakness is a hole to the reactor at the end of a miles-long trench."

Wait, I've seen this movie befo--

The heroes, led by Han Solo, have to land on the surface and disable the shield generator so the fleet can launch the attack on the superweapon."

No. Way. Is this whole damn film just a recy--

"Youthful hero, carrying Anakin's lightsaber, fights a one-sided battle against the Sith warrior. He loses his hand. A family connection is revealed by the villain, which throws the heroes into emotional turmoil."

Fuck you, Jar Jar Abrams.
>> No. 33555 ID: 7eee47
I really liked it though...

Nailed the callback

>Intense battle between X-wings and Tie-Fighters
>flashes between random X-wing cockpits
>only say roger/ok/or have a stupid one liner
>> No. 33556 ID: 0c927f
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It's like poetry
>> No. 33557 ID: aaff85
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I saw it last night. I loved it and it surpassed any and all expectations. The characters were good. Rey was more mary-sue than a PBE story, but that's fine. The saber fights were good. No obviously choreographed fancy shit like in the prequels. Will go see it again in theatres.

Pic related. They had this at my local theater. Paid $7 for a ticket a soda and popcorn.
>> No. 33558 ID: c39abd
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cool story bro
>> No. 33559 ID: ebb4ba
>assravaged fanboys can only respond to valid criticisms with "k bro"
Face it, this was bad even for a JewJew Abrahams flick. Abysmal characters (excepting Poe who was criminally underused probably because Oscar Isaac resembles a white man), painfully unoriginal story, shitty dialogue, worse set design, an underwhelming score (someone just put John Williams out of his misery), and utterly forgettable.
>> No. 33560 ID: 7eee47
I don't know what you expected? none of the Star Wars are that good of movies, people like it because they grew up with it, and they have good memories watching it.
>> No. 33561 ID: 963c4b
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Star Wars was a special effects spectacular that wowed the public. From the opening scene of the gigantic Empire warship chasing down the little Rebel ship, Star Wars told a compelling story within spectacular sets and using cutting-edge visual effects. As the movie industry began using better special effects, the Star Wars movie sequels became less spectacular in comparison, but the cult-like fanbase really keeps the series alive.
>> No. 33562 ID: 82a3e8
I just got back from seeing it with the lady.

As far as Im concerned, it was pretty damn good, and set up their inevitable sequels pretty well.

There be some mad haters in this thread for sure.

Was it the pinnacle of artistic film representation full of academy award winning actors? No. It was star wars. Anyone expecting the defining film of this and all generations after are shitspouts.

Its star wars. Enjoy it for being star wars, and quit trying to pretend you are some Roger Ebert mother fucker.
>> No. 33563 ID: ebb4ba
I didn't grow up with Star Wars, but I remember A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. They had a lot of heart and effort put into them and it showed through the editing, special effects and classical writing. Lucas actually cared about it, and it meant a great deal to him and his generation.

TFA is just another run of the mill JewJew production set in an existing popular franchise like the rest of his garbage. Hell, even Lucas when he was a full blown hack didn't rehash his previous movies for the prequels.

Ebert was an idiot that only judged movies on their intent and you invoking his name as some kind of pretentious strawman only highlights your mongoloidism.
>> No. 33564 ID: 170173
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So is it true that they changed Finn's character role?

I heard Finn was supposed to be the main male lead in the orignal script but Disney had to change that after Boyega was cast because they feared a Black male lead would hurt their overseas box office sales. Turns out the Chinese really don't like interracial romance in their Sci-Fi movies.
>> No. 33565 ID: de0bec
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I've heard rumors that Disney is basically pissed that Jar Jar Abrams picked an ugly black dude as a main char simply for the sake of having a black guy, and forced some rewrites. Emphasis on ugly probably being the crime in disney's eyes, which is an especially important thing to them when you consider the international market.

I haven't seen it yet, and am debating whether I will eventually do so. I know my co-workers are gushing over it, but they are also FUCKING NORMIEEEEEEEES so I take their entertainment suggestions with a lump of salt.

Tell me, despite being chosen as the "look how progressive I am as a filmmaker" black guy character, is my suspicion that Boyega is probably one of the better actors in the film correct?
>> No. 33566 ID: 82a3e8
I didnt read the "original" script so I dunno. He is still the male lead of the movie.

Both he and the girl (who I dont think I have ever seen in a movie) were convincing with their characters. They both had pretty decent chemistry. Not in the "She gun get blacked" way but in the way that she basically saves helps Finn in the darkest/lowest place in his life, and he feels he owes her a huge debt of gratitude for doing such. Finns fall is actually a pretty decent story arc.

Also the little robot everyone hates is FUCKING ADORABLE. Like, he will warm the deepest darkest corners of your cold dead heart.

Its funny, because your posts come off sounding like you are an intolerable fucking pseudo-intellectual. Like Ebert.

>Lucas didnt rehash his old movies.
>> No. 33567 ID: cfaec1
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They wasted their money instead of watching a rip, so now they have to justify it in their heads. Heard some poor saps paid $50 for a single ticket. Bet they were going through the whole movie trying to mentally psych themselves up through the failures on screen... that must have been exhausting.

Anyway I don't mind them being in a bad place, what pisses me off is that they're insulting and personally attacking everyone else because their egos just can't handle making a bad choice. If you want to vent your anger buy a stress buster and quit abusing the userbase.
>> No. 33568 ID: 667a5a
Actually the original simplicity of the models makes them look better/more realistic than modern CGI

Simply because models have real-life limitations

It seems whenever CGI gets involved they try to add MAXIMUM DETAIL and make everything SUPER DENSE

Well that doesn't look like something people would make in reality

Take spaceships for example

In reality the design of spaceships is driven by functionality, simplicity and cost

What kind of space military would spend money hiring artists to make funky postmodern shapes stick out of their sattelite, or supposedly streamlined atmospheric entry vehicle

Imagine the F-22 having a bunch of ducts and wires exposed across its skin

Or a Virginia submarine having weird tribal designs engraved across its entire surface

Or an Abrams being covered in hyper reflective mirrors that make it stand out at hundreds of miles

This is modern CGI
CGI artists can't make smooth and gray shapes

They invariably go overboard with detail because they're naturally creative, because directors like JJ Abrams are inexperienced/bad and fail to direct the design team

Just my 2c contribution
>> No. 33569 ID: 170173
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Honestly the whole "interracial romance" thing never bothered me. Hell, a lot of people forget how Lando tried to hit up Leia in the orignal trilogy.

What does bother me is how ugly Boyega is. The dude looks like a fucking Gammorean! Out of all the young talented black actors JJ could have picked he went with the ugliest one.
>> No. 33570 ID: 90a126
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While I'm no connoisseur of black men, I don't see what's wrong with Boyega's looks. He looks like a normal black guy. Maybe not classically handsome by Europeon standards but not really ugly.

Looks aside, I like Boyega. He seems genuinely excited about being in a Star Wars movie, he sounds like he's having the time of his life, sounds like a pretty nice guy, and wore a Clonetrooper helmet to a con. He is a good actor, he made what should of been some POS in Attack the Block likable, and has the "holy fuck" look down pat (that seemed to be the only look he had in the trailers).

I'll probably go see this shit ass movie tomorrow. And I'm wishing I had a Star Trek shirt to wear.
>> No. 33571 ID: adbbc9
my only problem was he was noticeably hefty in the storm trooper armor, dont know why it bugged me but it did no problems the rest of the movie but him in storm trooper armor bugged me, also something to do with a person that is not white as a storm trooper. i guess i always viewed the empire more like the nazis no aliens only white males that type of deal, dont know just something
>> No. 33572 ID: 82a3e8
Did you miss the part in the movie where the new order gets its storm troopers by kidnapping babbies/taking orphans and brain washing them?

Then again if we are to follow the prequel movies as cannon the original storm troopers (clones and what not) werent white. They were based off a Maori actor... Which... Kind of makes sense if you think about it.

>Shit ass movie
Well, if you go into it looking for every little negative thing you can bitch about you will think its absolute shit. However, you could say that about.... anything in life.
>> No. 33573 ID: 82a3e8
Oh sorry to double post.

Boyega reminds me of a combat vet buddy of mine who pulled all sorts of bitches. So, to each his/her own.
>> No. 33574 ID: c39abd
I'm with sneaky.

You arrogant shitlords that have nothing better to do than quite literally recreate movie poopchute, go back to sharing porn. Youre probably the same assholes that posted all the spoilers too, just because you hate something doesn't mean you need to shit on everyone else fun too.

The movie was not the be all end all of cinematography nor was it everything everyone wanted it to be. You act like john moses himself made the prop guns for the movie, remember the titanic undertaking JJ took on to create someone that arguably THE BIGGEST FANBASE IN EXISTENCE would love. There was no bullshit prequel nonsense, it looked like star wars should look, the overall movie was smooth, my only gripe is that it wasnt longer to really expand on the backstory of everything. Wanting to see more isnt a bad gripe to have.

Go sit down before you millennial scum cut yourself on that edge.
>> No. 33575 ID: 82a3e8
>my only gripe is that it wasnt longer to really expand on the backstory of everything.
Id bet dollars to doughnuts that more will be expanded on in "Rogue One" the sequel coming out next year.

My only gripe honestly: I didnt get to see more of Team WHOOPASS (Kylo Ren's murder gang shown in a flashback).

That made me :(
>> No. 33576 ID: ebb4ba
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>if I say something enough times th-they'll believe me right?
Doesn't matter how poorly the prequels turned out, Lucas didn't cut and paste the OT into a 135 minute shitshow.

Great contribution. Don't forget to pick up your 6" action figures and Star Wars branded T-shirts!

I did the same thing after Prometheus so I understand, but the buttblasting of StarWars kids is just obscene. They most they can admit is "well it's not the besterest movie ever" and still go on the attack like you've been shitting in their Cheerios for the past decade without addressing any issues of this mediocre flick.

<- Literally you
>> No. 33577 ID: 90a126
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>Well, if you go into it looking for every little negative thing you can bitch about you will think its absolute shit.

No I'll think its absolute shit because I'm a Star Wars fans meaning I hate Star Wars so I hate this.

Also I'll hate this because its a crappy ANH knock-off that is only getting love because its not done by George Lucas and is a fan-servy piece of bantha fodder which GL had the gall, the gumption, the nerve to not do with the Prequels. Its fucking Avatard with the Star Wars name on it, a pretty rip-off movie jacked off all over by fans because the director is some hack who people are convinced is a cinema god.

This movie is just about the same as the Prequels in many ways, style over substance, mindless stupid fun. Mind you the fact that I compare this to the Prequels and have mentioned the fact I don't dislike the Prequels should mean I don't hate this movie but you thought wrong nigga.

I hate this movie not because of the movie itself, its seems fine, but what it represents. The fucking fans. The entitled and assholish fans. The fans that claim to love Star Wars but hate everything about it. The fans who drove the guy who created the series away from it and created a cult of hatred towards the man because he didn't do what they wanted. The fans who managed with their incessant whining to create the image that the shitty ass Prequels were failures despite making money hand over fist and got okay reviews until the fanboys corrected everyone on how the movies sucked and raped their childhoods.

I used to have respect for Star Wars fans, used to think they were pretty chill bros who weren't obsessed shitlords like their Trek counterparts. But for the 2nd time in my entire life I was wrong. Maybe Star Wars fans have always been cunts. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1977, but your average Star Wars fan is as cunty and stupid as ever. The only thing that's different is me. I've become bitter, and let's face it, angry over the years.

I started to hate Star Wars. Started with the Expanded Universe making fucking Jar Jar look like a damn masterpiece but continued when the ugly side of the fandom became all too apparent. The only thing left of it for me is some happy memories and a suit of plastic armor that I don't get to wear enough and probably paid way too much for.

That and the hate, proving once and for all that I'm a real Star Wars fan because I fucking hate Star Wars.

Really though, I don't think TFA is bad but I'm a bitter asshole who can't stand the fact some people are enjoying much how OT assholes couldn't stand people enjoying the Prequels so I have to be a shit slinging asshole dribbling nerd rage like I'm full of Santorum.
>> No. 33578 ID: c39abd
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Trying real hard to justify your shitbirdery huh? I honestly don't know what youre doing in this thread. You clearly despise Star Wars so why are you making it such a point to tell those that do? What movies do you like? What is your favorite series of the scifi genre? Please enlighten me why your opinion is the alpha and the omega, why do your words hastily typed on the interwebs assume that everyone should be swayed by them?

There's a reason that there are fans of quite literally everything, because they enjoy it. Why do you have to force them so much to defend their own views of entertainment?
>> No. 33579 ID: cfaec1
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>He looks like a normal black guy
I think you just insulted an entire race of people.

>The movie was not the be all end all of cinematography nor was it everything everyone wanted it to be

We're not doing anything worse than your greentexted brain fart.

Uh... dude what?

>show up among a bunch of star wars geeks
>start ordering them around and changing the series to suit you
>completely ruin the series for the guys who like it
>but the mindless shit appeals to you so who cares about neeeeerrrds
"hey guys why don't you like star wars anymore?"
"why do you have to force me to defend my abortion that i created from your favorite thing?"

Critical theory works both ways, now justify your abortion or you're a bad person.
>> No. 33580 ID: 963c4b
  Half in the Bag Episode 100: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
Published on Dec 20, 2015 https://youtu.be/AvsiJppCdmk
It's episode 100 of Half in the Bag! Mike, Jay, and their new friend Kris Kringle celebrate this momentous event by participating in a normal episode and see the newest Star Warts movie. Lightsabers!
>> No. 33581 ID: df12a0
Finn: "We need a pilot!"
Rey: "We have one!"

Finn: "I need a weapon!"
Maz: "You have one!"

Goddamn, Finn's particularly clueless.
>> No. 33583 ID: 67d391
Hey guys, lets all spend 6 movies, 97049790 books and comics, and 40 years talking about this "New Republic" and "Empire" just to blow one the fuck up in a 5 minute cutscene and the other in the text scroll, then we can let JJ make up new cookie cutter replacements that are 100% disney branded.

This time lets just make the bad guys literal nazis who heil hitler salute while eating babies for no reason, and the good guys... um... we'll just make them the exact same thing but change the logo to orange and change the name a little. Brilliant.

Star Trek all over again. Fuck this shit, I'm ejecting from Star Wars and pretending this never happened.

Its not even Star Wars, just "Generic Space Nazis vs Mary Sue Hero Team"
>> No. 33584 ID: 67d391
Fucking Star Wars porn parodies are more Star Wars related now than this fucked up JJ reboot series.
>> No. 33585 ID: 67d391
Oh and was there seriously any adults in the entire movie besides Han and Leia? What the fuck, is that CGI alien running the 'First Order' actually Joseph Kony or what?

How fucking edgy and teen-angst can this movie get.
>> No. 33586 ID: cfaec1
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JJ couldn't make an intelligent black man that wasn't a chimpanzee looking motherfucker.
>> No. 33587 ID: 832f77
>Large demographic appealing story
Oh my god Star Wars is written like a Hollywood scifi action blockbuster you know the very genre the franchise jumpstarted in 1977 the horror the surprise the disappointment

>Abysmal characters (excepting Poe who was criminally underused)
All characters are horrible except the one who was barely in the film and is played by an actor I like
>> No. 33588 ID: ebb4ba
I despise mediocre garbagemen like JewJew and Disney executives taking franchises that were created and grew with quality filmmaking and turning it into an emotionless checklist of cheap nostalgia just to rake in big bucks from mongoloids like you, mongoloids that can't understand that they are being lazily pandered too. The only reason this film is getting praise is because the prequels were such garbage. Imagine if all of them were good, and then this shitshow were released. It would be panned because it is an unimaginative rehash of the original movies.

Congratulations, you are the lowest common denominator and you've been fed the plate of shit you've been demanding for years.

Do you have a point or are you just trying to shove words in my mouth?
>> No. 33589 ID: df12a0
Finn: "The helmets filter out smoke, not toxins!"

...what? Shit, Clonetrooper armor without add-ons, basic, non-specialized Clonetrooper armor, was sealed against hard vacuum. And that shit was mass-produced by the billions.
>> No. 33590 ID: c39abd
youre kind of adorable when youre salty
>> No. 33591 ID: 832f77
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>turning it into an emotionless checklist of cheap nostalgia

I'm not sure what type of conniption fit you're having here. Either you've got a terminal case of rose colored glasses for a franchise you got into when you were a kid, or you're so obsessed with not being a normie that you're short circuiting trying to rationalize that with being into the most mainstream media franchise on Earth short of Disney Princess movies.

>taking franchises that were created and grew with quality filmmaking

Remember the time Chewbacca's father watched porn

>> No. 33592 ID: f2c4ed
I just got back from it.

I spend enough time writing to know that there's a difference between rehashing plot points from other movies and books and actually telling a good story.

TFA looked like Star Wars. It sounded like Star Wars. It just didn't have the heart and passion that Star Wars did. It's not that the story was bad, it just felt plagiarized, an imitation of what Lucas had created, instead of "what happens after the Empire was defeated at Endor?"

I don't think it was "bad", it just wasn't all that good. Unremarkable, like Avengers 2. It had all the right elements, they just weren't mixed properly. I don't know if it was the script, the director, or what, but it just lacked heart.

I'll give it points for having elements of humor that didn't stem from annoying characters. The bit in the hallway with the two stormtroopers backing up and going another way when Ren's trashing a room? Fucking brilliant, whoever thought of that should get another $50K on the next paycheck.
>> No. 33593 ID: 53e7c0
Just remember aspies, the series went to shit with Return of the Jedi.
You've been in love with Disney bullshit for years, only now you're not 8 years old and have the ability to understand shitty movies.

The guy hashed up Flash Gordon, just enough to not get sued, and followed up Return of the Jedi with fucking Howard the Duck for Christ's sake. How many red flags do you need, and how big do they need to be?
>> No. 33594 ID: 90a126
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>I think you just insulted an entire race of people.

Ehh, nothing new about that. A reason I should never run for President, I'd make Trump look politically correct. Though when I insult an entire race I rarely do so because of hatred. Except Canadians, because fuck those snow Mexicans.

>rose colored glasses

That is all Star Wars is. Good memories blinding them to the truth. OT fanboys have on the nostalgia goggles and think Originals are perfect, they remember the joy and wonder they had as kids watching those movies. They didn't get the same joy and wonder watching the Prequels being cynical adults.

Prequel lovers are the same, the grew up with the Prequels and, much it was for the old farts with the OT, it was something magical. It blinds them to any criticism of the PT and makes them not like the Originals as much if at all.

I am to the stage with the Sequels right now. I got into the OT before the Prequels but more or less grew up watching the Prequels. I enjoy them both. Both had a magic to me. The first time seeing the Originals and being old enough to understand the Death Star in 4 and 6 weren't the same had an impact. The Prequels did the same, especially 3.

Being old and cynical I cannot find much joy to direct at the ST. It to me doesn't hold any magic, its crime is its just a movie but a movie connected to a series I felt so much for. My nostalgia makes me unduly harsh on this movie, more so then if it was just a normal crappy movie.

The nostalgia with Star Wars is so bad people are hot gluing the rose colored glasses on about the old EU, remembering only the good and forgetting the piles and piles of terrible schlock.
>> No. 33595 ID: 90a126
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>Just remember aspies, the series went to shit with Return of the Jedi

No the series went to shit in January of 1978 with another 7. It was when Marvel Comics Star Wars #7 was published the Expanded Universe began and fan fiction made in into the canon.

That is all Episode 7 is, fucking fan fiction. And not even good fan fiction like a time traveling Padme meeting Leia and deciding to make out and somehow Aayla Secure, Padme's handmaidens, and Mon Mothma all get involved while in the background a army of lightsaber wielding stormtroopers attack and completely destroy an army of Federation goldshirts. You know, quality writing.
>> No. 33596 ID: df12a0
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>> No. 33597 ID: df12a0
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>> No. 33599 ID: 832f77
Yeah. I mean I'm not dissing Star Wars at all, I fucking love it and spent the entire movie grinning. That doesn't mean it was perfect, but I think they did an excellent job.

All this shit about people saying it has less heart than the original movies doesn't make sense--odds are they think that because you didn't see the originals as jaded adults. Hell, you can say the same about most movies you see as a kid. You go on about how they're the greatest and modern stuff just doesn't compare, just like your parents did, just like your kids will.
>> No. 33600 ID: f2c4ed
>All this shit about people saying it has less heart than the original movies doesn't make sense
No, there's some justification for that. Not every movie manages to pull off having heart. It doesn't matter how many explosions, gunfights, and moments of superheroism a movie has, sometimes they just don't manage to tug at the heart.

Like...anything with the words Fantastic Four, or especially Spiderman 3. I mean, they had action, etc, etc, but even if the ingredients were right, the recipe was wrong.

Avengers was amazing. Avengers 2 had all the right elements, but it felt cheap. Like "here's all the scenes you want, kids, now buy the toys."

Mad Motherfucking Max was the best movie I've seen this year. It was all about the characters, and maybe that's the difference. George Miller and George Lucas manage to write stories about amazing characters who go on adventures, Abrams simply said "Oh, we need an orphan, and a hot-shot pilot, and a literal Darth Vader wannabe, and then it'll be just like Star Wars."
>> No. 33601 ID: 832f77
I agree about Mad Max but otherwise...eh. I guess it was just a matter of opinion? If you compare The Force Awakens to just about every family-friendly action movie coming out of the US of the last ten years, I'd say as much or more heart. I'd say the only ones really comparable are the better Marvel movies.

I mean hell, comparing this to JJ's other works: I have trouble believing the same guy was even involved in both the Star Trek reboot and this.
>> No. 33602 ID: 832f77
And: I didn't go in thinking it would be this good. I expected something slightly better than the prequels with better art direction.
>> No. 33603 ID: 90a126
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>I have trouble believing the same guy was even involved in both the Star Trek reboot and this


Star Trek 09 was practically a demo reel to show Abrams wanted to make a Wars movie and followed the same formula. Arguably was with the same PC hang-ups too.

Unrelated but lets see what anyone can find wrong with this picture.
>> No. 33604 ID: 832f77
Nah--the plot isn't nearly as good. I realize The Force Awakens hews close to A New Hope, but A New Hope was itself rehashing old scifi serials. But it's written by Lawrence Kasdan, who's damn good. JJ's Star Wars is true to the original, whereas JJ's Star Trek just really isn't. Star Trek was basically his audition, but it's clear JJ just plain LIKES Star Wars more. He even said that when promoting the Star Trek movies.

The one place they're really similar is excellent casting (minus Khan). I think that's JJ's strength--he's good at finding the right people to work for him.

Expecting more complexity and deviation from patterns out of the core trilogy Star Wars movies is going to be like expecting the Avengers movies to look like Jessica Jones. If you're looking for that, you'll likely find it in the spinoff movies.

>Unrelated but lets see what anyone can find wrong with this picture.

Wrong shade of green.
>> No. 33605 ID: 0c927f
But that's Yaddle.

>> No. 33606 ID: 82a3e8
Its true. He is.

On a happy movie related note: I just found out today that they are shooting a John Wick sequel already.

>> No. 33607 ID: 90a126
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>Nah--the plot isn't nearly as good.

Neither the Abrams Trek nor Wars plot was that good but thats just like my opinion man. And this is coming from someone who more or less enjoyed both reboot Treks (somebody should really reboot Reboot) and will presumably enjoy The Force Is Late For Work whenever I can get the time (and lack of crowds) to go see it despite my constant bitching (whining) about it.

>I realize The Force Awakens hews close to A New Hope, but A New Hope was itself rehashing old scifi serials.

Yes it borrows heavily from old Flash Gordon, WWII real footage and movies, The Hidden Fortress, and follows the Joseph Campbell Monomyth formula. But it doesn't plagarise nearly as bad as TFA atleast to me seems to (though I'll admit I might be giving slack to ANH while not doing so for TFA).

>JJ's Star Wars is true to the original, whereas JJ's Star Trek just really isn't.

Its really not though. Its got more of a connection to the earlier works whereas its not a reboot but a continuation much like someone deluded might consider "My Immortal" a continuation of the Harry Potter series. But its not true to the original, especially half of the original. It borrows shamelessly from the originals, has the same characters and archetypes as the originals, but much like reboot Trek it isn't really true atleast in my not so humble opinion.

Its ascended fanfiction. Made by a fanboy. I'm almost suprised the main character ain't named JyJy Smarba.

>Expecting more complexity and deviation from patterns out of the core trilogy Star Wars movies is going to be like expecting the Avengers movies to look like Jessica Jones

But we did get deviation and arguably complexity in numbered Star Wars movies, that was the whole deal with the PT, they didn't follow the formula laid by their predecessors/sequels. And look at the sheer amount of fan bitching and backlash. Star Wars fans don't want anything different, they want the same shit over and over hence why TFA is doing so well so far.

>Wrong shade of green.

Nope, wrong! Clearly you aren't a Star Wars fan. Next you'll say you don't know the name of the guy on Bespin with the ice cream maker who was actually a undercover rebel agent.

This man is clearly a fan.
>> No. 33608 ID: 2a3867
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>This man is clearly a fan.
My favorite Star Wars related media is Kotor 2.
>> No. 33609 ID: 67d391
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>ice cream maker

That was the computer core from the (rebel front) A'roFilter Corp office where he worked, what contained rebel spying data. Duh. Willrow Hood ain't no fool.

What kinda fuckin' casuals are you all, fuck.
>> No. 33610 ID: 90a126
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You play it with the fan patch?

Omg, he actually got an action figure? Jesus, I make jokes about how the old EU made everyone important (hence my mockery of some guy holding a ice cream maker...sorry computer core for literally a second of screen time in the background being made some secret rebel agent with some super important mission but couldn't be arsed to help out Luke and Co.) but I didn't think they'd give the motherfucker a action figure. Hell shit like Prune Face getting an action figure and a backstory or the alien who bought Luke's landspeeder was dumb enough but this takes the cake.

Pic semi-related, I'd actually buy these figures if they were real.
>> No. 33611 ID: 2a3867
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Of course I have.
>> No. 33612 ID: 67d391
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That's exactly what I love about the EU.

Thanks to little bits mentioning him in like 20 different sources for a couple lines, Willrow Hood actually has a complete biography. We know more about him than we do about any of the characters from Episode 7. JJ is fail.

>A'roFilter work

>At some point in his life, Willrow Hood, a Human male miner, moved to Bespin, once his homeworld. He began working for A'roFilter, a mining company based on the gas giant. Hood was a longstanding resident of Bespin's primary Tibanna gas facility, Cloud City, and, as of 3 ABY, had been working with A'roFilter for quite some time. The mining company he was employed by was sympathetic to the cause of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, and, as such, sold much-needed Tibanna gas at discounted prices to the fledgling Rebellion. Hood headed the department responsible for the deals and monitored the company's main computer. All transaction data was stored, heavily encrypted, on the main computer; this data included such things as Alliance codenames and locations of Rebel agents.

>Hood's job was made difficult by the presence of spies working for the Galactic Empire; Hood knew such individuals existed, but had firm suspicions about only one individual: Tian Chyler. Chyler was posing as a Corellian mining official, who was forced to relocate to Bespin after the Imperials occupied her former station on Ando. Unbeknownst to the population of Cloud City, Chyler was actually an Imperial Security Bureau agent, recruited to monitor questionable Tibanna gas transactions. Hood was unable to gather any solid proof of her complicity, but nonetheless his suspicions persisted.

>Imperial invasion.

>Shortly after her transfer, Chyler discovered the underground Tibanna gas market. She contacted Darth Vader, who was visiting Cloud City to trap a group of Rebels fleeing from a recent battle on Hoth. Vader used the information to blackmail Baron Administrator Lando Calrissian, so that the Baron Administrator would have to aid the Dark Lord in trapping Han Solo, Princess Leia Organa, and their companions, in an effort to eventually force Luke Skywalker into confronting the Dark Lord. Eventually, parts of Vader's plan fell into place; Solo, Organa, and company were captured, and Skywalker was on his way to rescue them.

>An Imperial occupation force began to invade Cloud City, per Chyler's instructions. Hood knew that the discovery of A'roFilter's main computer would lead to the discovery of the contacts kept within and so he retrieved the computer's memory core and dumped it in a nearby waste disposal unit. The core was never found by the Empire, and the Rebellion contacts remained hidden.

>Hood, however, stayed behind on Bespin during the course of the invasion. He did so not because it was his desire, but rather to aid his fellow miners. While he tried to stay out of the spotlight, he was arrested under the charges of possible sedition. The Imperial authority subjected Hood to information gathering techniques, including scan grid interrogation; however, Hood managed to resist the interrogation and withheld his information. He was eventually released for not knowing anything relevant to his arrest.

>Taking back Cloud City

>During the occupation of the City, Tian Chyler became disenfranchised from the Empire after an incident with Aqualish miners. When word of the Rebellion's successes in the Galactic Civil War eventually reached Bespin and Cloud City, she defected to the Alliance. She possessed knowledge pertaining to the defense of Cloud City, and sought to contact Willrow Hood. She, like Hood, had suspected the other knew more than what appeared, and had further deduced that Hood had contacts within the Rebel Alliance.

>While Hood at first distrusted the former ISB agent, he watched to see what she was willing to do. Eventually, the former A'roFilter employee agreed to aid her, and began to trust her and her motives. Chyler came through on her end and presented Hood with the defense information, which he in turn sent to the Rebellion, who used the plans to retake both the city and the planet. After the liberation of Cloud City, Hood decided he had had enough action, and planned to settle down.
>> No. 33613 ID: 67d391

The EU making "Everyone important" to me feels like a more real universe, its not just a one off story, its a living and breathing universe full of real people whose lives all have some form of meaning, not just the few titular characters of the main film series.
>> No. 33614 ID: f013be
>Willrow Hood
Better acting than the Force Awakens, of course he got an action figure

Force Awakens actors going to get lackofaction figures
>> No. 33615 ID: d95b0a
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Jar Jar Abrams.
Charging me $15 to see a subpar mashup of three movies I already have, at home, on Blu-ray.
The Prequels were better.

At least I hadn't seen those stories before.

At least there was depth to Qui-gon, and Obi-wan, and Yoda.

At least the Force wasn't just a plot point to do cool stuff in past films, and actually felt like a religion people could live and die for.

At least in the original trilogy Han, Luke, and Leia weren't utter and complete failures.

At least in the previous films Anakin and Luke weren't Mary Sues, unlike Rey. She's perfect at everything from the very beginning of the film, and never stops. Her 'conflict' is not wanting to be a Jedi. But when she changes her mind, she does in 30 seconds what it took Luke 3 films to achieve.

Base your marketing strategy on bashing three of the six films, then show why in your new film the battles won in the remaining three didn't matter.

The only good characters were Not-Wedge and Finn the Space Garbage Man, the guy put in the movie to keep you from figuring out who the main character is from the first teaser trailer (Kinda like 'Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't Khan' except he was, and screw-the-audience-I'm-an-auteur-you'll-buy-my-garbage-anyway).

The best part? In six months all the folks praising this film will agree with me. In 15 years the prequels will be seen as better films than this one.
>> No. 33616 ID: 90a126
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To me that makes it feel unreal. In real life everyone isn't important, everyone isn't some undercover agent, every car isn't made from the remains of some winning NASCAR. But in the Star Wars EU it is. Everyone has a connection, everyone has a complete backstory, most of it stupid. From the bartender in the cantina who met Aurra Sing as a kid, hated droids based on the line he doesn't serve their kind (considering he can't) but later on learned to appreciate them, and made a drink for Jabba from Greedo's corpse to pipe smoking guy from the catina being a psychic vampire with a hard-on for drinking Han Solo's "soup" to the R5 unit who was lazy actually being a force user who committed suicide because he had a force vision to probably worst of all IG-88 having 5 copies, taking over the 2nd Death Star and planning the robot uprising (mean he is no doubt Bat Guano's favorite SW character).

Thats just dumb. We live on one planet and most people aren't important, most people don't meet many celebrities and important people. This is an entire galaxy.

Ice cream guy should have just been a dude with a ice cream maker escaping the Empire, not some secret agent with a super duper computer core. The bartender should have just been a bartender who doesn't want droids who can't drink taking up space. The guy smoking should have just been some guy smoking and maybe thinking about getting his ugly ass nose fixed. The R5 that blew up should have just been a normal droid in a state of disrepair thanks to being owned by shady ass Jawas.

The guy with the
>> No. 33618 ID: f2c4ed
Me, too. I liked how all the backdrop characters were actually characters. Makes it feel like a real universe that's actually going through a civil war, and not just an action movie.

I mean, think about it: If there was a civil war in the US, wouldn't most everyone know (whether they knew it or not) someone who was either directly connected to the rebels or working with an operative? And the same for the loyalists. The Rebels had agents everywhere, even on Coruscant.

So everyone's got a backstory, even if not everyone's really all that important.

Which is very real.

And if you think about, the less-real version is that the entire galaxy revolves around Anakin Skywalker and his family. That's way more absurd.
>> No. 33619 ID: 90a126
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>So everyone's got a backstory, even if not everyone's really all that important.

Thats the problem, everyone has a backstory (well except the poor Weequay thrown first into the Sarlacc pit) but everyone is important, everyone has connections to important peoples, nobody is just "some guy".

That is nowhere near realistic.

And it leave no mystery. Did we really need to know Salacious B. Crumb backstory? Was anyone clamoring to hear about the backstory of the torture droid in Jabba's palace and how she murderized most of the droid population of Cloud City? Did Admiral Ackbar really need to be the slave of Tarkin? Why did Dengar have to have a personal grudge against Solo and why did we need to even know the backstory of some guy wrapped in toilet paper? Does Boba Fett need to be in every fucking thing like the Star Wars version of Samuel L Jackson?

It makes the galaxy seem positively tiny and completely without mystery. Mystery is good. Mystery was what made Boba Fett so awesome to begin with, over-exposure and knowing exactly what he did for every moment of his life since Jango jacked off in a mug to create cloning material makes him considerably less awesome (that and being the personal fap toy of Karen Traviss).

The Force when it was mystery was intriguing. The Force lost its magic (pun no intended) when it was all about midichlorians.

The mystery of who those people are in the background, what their story is, is far more interesting then the actual pay-off much like it is in real life with most people.
>> No. 33620 ID: 67d391

Nobody's going to take generic bargain-bin Jacen Ben Solo and the teenage scooby gang away from you guys.

We just don't buy into the JJ bullshit hype, is all.

You'll come around in time.

I really just don't understand why if they were going to make an abortive EU ripoff they had to skip over the really good Thrawn era stuff and go straight to that horrible, pointless Jacen Solo / Galactic Alliance arc that they just re-did better later in the Legacy series better anyhow.

He didn't even "throw out the EU" he just got rid of all of it besides one of the worst possible story arcs to grab onto, and then made it even more shitty and generic.
>> No. 33621 ID: 67d391

Oh and the fucking annoying marblemouth furry is supposed to die, not Han.

Should have just done the fucking Thrawn movie...
>> No. 33622 ID: 90a126
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Dude, I'm no fan of Darth Caedumbass/Revan wannabe. But the old EU is no better, its the same damn problem.

I've long since become a movie purist, knowing that with very, very, very, very few exceptions the entirety of the old EU (and the new EU judging by Aftermath) was complete and udder shit that made even the most Jar Jar-iest bits of the Prequels, the Ewoks singing nub yub while playing the drums on the severed heads of Imperial troops, and WIZARD!!!! to be goddamn Shakespeare in comparison.

I don't trust Abrams either because 1, he's a hack who hasn't had an original idea ever and 2, The Force Dozes is more of the same problem of the old EU. Its fucking fan fiction. Kylo Ren is the same as Jacen, Rey is the same as Jaina (though argueably even more of a Mary Sue), the entire movie is a rehash of ANH with fucking shitty ass EU shit ripped off.

Its all bad. Its all trash. TFA is the same as the snore fest Joiner Trilogy, on par with the crappiest new Jedi Order books, and only better then anything written by Karen Traviss and fucking goddamn motherfucking Crystal Star.
>> No. 33623 ID: f2c4ed
Here's the problem with doing the Thrawn Trilogy:

Disney would have to buy the rights for the story from whoever owns it (Zahn) and he'd get writer's credit.

Which means he gets a paycheck.

And there's no way that Disney is going to cut a check for a respectable, appropriate amount to an author for a book written 20 years ago.

Not when they've got a director that thinks he's a writer, throws out the script he was handed, and rewrites the film himself.

Thankfully, JarJar isn't the director for EP8.
>> No. 33624 ID: 67d391

They could obviously just rename him Ben Thrawn and write "Disney OC Do Not Steal!" on the side of his star destroyer, given what they did with this film.
>> No. 33625 ID: 381ee6
That's exactly the kind of thinking that's ruining movies

If Disney actually paid the actually talented writer, they could have made a great cult classic story and milked the merchandising market for diehard fans upwards of 20+ years

Sure they saved a few million on getting Jar Jar, but they lost billions in the long run...
>> No. 33628 ID: df12a0
...y'know, can we all just agree that Poe Dameron would be fucking awesome in an A-10? I mean, he nailed the Stormtroopers guarding Han & Chewie, using a snubfighter not designed for CAS, mid-dogfight.

>down a TIE, down a TIE, rescue some people, down some more TIEs
>> No. 33630 ID: f2c4ed
Meh, anything's easy when you're Wedge Antilles 2.0 and JarJar Abrams is writing your actions. I'm not sure Abrams knows anything more than Lucas does about how planes actually function, so why not pull absolutely impossible maneuvers and snap-shots?
>> No. 33635 ID: df12a0

George knows enough to be a certified pilot.
>> No. 33636 ID: f2c4ed
A Private Pilot's License is no way equivalent to actual knowledge of air combat maneuvering.

This is the sort of retarded shit that was in Red Tails, and it's bad enough to make me think that Lucas isn't even sure how a 172 flies.
>> No. 33637 ID: cfe73e
  STAR WARS: A Bad Lip Reading https://youtu.be/1w8Z0UOXVaY
Vader keeps texting Leia, while Ben continues his quest for the Pickaxe of Cortez. Jack Black, Maya Rudolph, and Bill Hader guest.
>> No. 33638 ID: cfe73e
  THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: A Bad Lip Reading https://youtu.be/UkiI2vM2lfA
Yoda believes in the magic of song, while Vader struggles with technology. Bill Hader, Jack Black, and Maya Rudolph guest.
>> No. 33639 ID: cfe73e
  RETURN OF THE JEDI: A Bad Lip Reading https://youtu.be/_Ge4_stUpqs
Ben criticizes Luke's taste in music. Jabba redecorates. Maya Rudolph, Bill Hader, and Jack Black guest.
>> No. 33654 ID: 832f77
I haven't had to

I loved the movie, but it's too.. sequel-y. There are too many cues that just don't make sense if you aren't already familiar with Star Wars. If you compare that with The Phantom Menace, you don't need to know who Anakin is to appreciate the movie. It certainly adds another layer, but it isn't necessary.

I can see why they made this decision--Star Wars is so much a part of our popular culture even for kids that it would be like the filmmakers imagining audiences walking into Concussion without knowing what football is. Of course they know what football is, so you don't have to explain it. Of course your audience knows who Leia and Han are, what the Millennium Falcon is, what Vader's mask looks like. The only people who won't are really little kids who aren't paying attention at that level anyway. But it makes the movie suffer as an independent work.

I still think it's right up there with the original trilogy, but it's a different sort of movie. I loved all the callbacks (why are you watching a big franchise movie if you don't like references to that franchise?) but it's not the same. Granted I'm not sure you could do that again with Star Wars; it's too iconic and the industry is too different.

Also: massive end of movie spoilers do not watch unless you've seen it:
>> No. 33656 ID: b2a950
Spoiler Alert: Robots and whatnot.

If you know what that's from. High five!
>> No. 33665 ID: a18c5a
I found that video somewhat amusing. Then the lightsaber fight happened and I fucking lost it.
>> No. 33677 ID: 963c4b
  The top ten things YOU didn't know about Darth Vader's suit!
Published on Dec 31, 2015 https://youtu.be/FVzc20Bm8Xo
http://www.redlettermedia.com - Happy New Year! Last video of 2015! Rich and Mike learn lots of new things about Darth Vader's iconic suit! CLICKBAIT!

Apparently, the Red Letter Media folks were browsing through Wookiepedia or some other Star Wars fan site and struck comedy gold. Although it would not surprise me at all if it was revealed that George Lucas wrote this nerd drivel.
>> No. 33679 ID: 037541
I died watching this when it showed up on my YouTube subscriptions feed. God I am at the point where I have already gone through all their content and need more!
>> No. 33683 ID: df12a0
>> No. 33688 ID: de0bec
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>> No. 33707 ID: 667a5a
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>reys original concept name was
>rey mixer
>> No. 33709 ID: df12a0

That concept book mention why Rey's costumes MUST have exposed shoulders & calves?
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