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114680 No. 114680 ID: d4c8ee
About fucking time.
>President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats and sanctioned Russian intelligence officials who Washington believes were involved in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election.

>The measures, taken during the last days of Obama's presidency, mark a new low in U.S.-Russian relations which have deteriorated over serious differences on Ukraine and Syria.

>"These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior," Obama said in a statement from vacation in Hawaii.

>It was not immediately clear whether President-elect Donald Trump, who has repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and nominated people seen as friendly toward Moscow to senior administration posts, would seek to roll back the measures once he takes office on Jan. 20.

>Obama is seeking to deter Russia and other foreign governments from leveraging cyber attacks in the future to meddle in U.S. politics, former officials and cyber security experts said.

>Obama has been under growing pressure from within his own administration and lawmakers of both political parties to respond more forcefully to the cyber attacks, which included leaked emails of Democratic Party operatives that became part of the media coverage in the campaign for the Nov. 8 presidential election.

>The Russian foreign ministry said on Thursday the sanctions were counter-productive and would harm the restoration of bilateral ties. Moscow denies the hacking allegation.

>Obama sanctioned two Russian intelligence agencies, the GRU and the FSB, four GRU officers and three companies "that provided material support to the GRU’s cyber operations.


>Obama said the State Department declared as "persona non grata" 35 Russian intelligence operatives and is closing two Russian compounds in New York and Maryland that were used by Russian personnel for "intelligence-related purposes". The State Department originally said the 35 were diplomats.

>A senior U.S. official told Reuters the move would affect the Russian embassy in Washington and consulate in San Francisco.

>The Russians have 72 hours to leave the United States, the official said. Access to the two compounds, which are used by Russian officials for intelligence gathering, will be denied to all Russian officials as of noon on Friday, the senior U.S. official added.

>"These actions were taken to respond to Russian harassment of American diplomats and actions by the diplomats that we have assessed to be not consistent with diplomatic practice," the official said.

>The State Department has long complained that Russian security agents and traffic police have harassed U.S. diplomats in Moscow, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has raised the issue with Putin and his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov.

>"By imposing costs on the Russian diplomats in the United States, by denying them access to the two facilities, we hope the Russian government reevaluates its own actions, which have impeded the ability and safety of our own embassy personnel in Russia," the official said.

>The U.S. official declined to name the Russian diplomats who would be affected, although it is understood that Russia's ambassador to the United States, Sergei Kislyak, will not be one of those expelled.
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>> No. 114682 ID: d97441
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Here's the "evidence" the feds have.
>> No. 114684 ID: cd3951
>watch out for SQL injection and phishing

What is this, 2003?
>> No. 114691 ID: 9723b1
>attacking the embassy
No words for how retarded this is. This often isn't done in times of war, because even being able to get your enemy to sign a surrender agreement is fucking useful in suppressing insurgencies.

>to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior
America sends NGOs to start riots in Eastern Europe (color revolutions), the Middle east (arab spring) and even Russia. What exactly is the established norm here.

Is the Russian internal intelligence service, an FBI equivalent. They wouldn't have anything to do with foreign interference even if it did happen (which it clearly didn't).

>is closing two Russian compounds in New York and Maryland that were used by Russian personnel for "intelligence-related purposes"
inb4 they closed the RT office in NY.
They don't note that these "compounds" are permitted on our soil by certain agreements. We have similar "compounds" in Russia, far more in fact, which Russia can close.

Not to mention they let us fly over their country to get into the ME faster. Or use their fucking spacecraft to attend to our satellites.

>reported russian military and civilian intelligence
>lists a bunch of script kiddie groups from europe and north america
"Reported" by whom?

FBI is reportedly a Russian military and Civilian intelligence, because Rachel Madcow spent the last few months reporting that FBI is in league with Russia.

How the fuck does a law enforcement group get away with saying "Reported X"?

Fucking hell.
>> No. 114695 ID: 70e1d7
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u mad
>> No. 114696 ID: f18629
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>What exactly is the established norm here.

1. Might makes right.
2. It's only illegal if you get caught.
3. Even then, Dr. Pavel, I'm CIA. What yo gonna do?
4. Fuck you!
>> No. 114698 ID: 70d38f
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>1. We will do anything to defend ourselves.
>2. We did not get caught, so it is not illegal.
>3. CIA confirms we are not responsible.
>4. What did I say wrong?
Fixed for your convenience.
>> No. 114699 ID: 9723b1
I might die in nuclear fire because Democrats couldn't swallow that their candidate had a lower relative turnout than R-Money.

Yeah I'm a little mad you fucking faggot.
>> No. 114700 ID: f9b63c
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Libshits BTFO!
>> No. 114703 ID: cce514
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>you need to know how to code programs to be a spy!

Fucking LMAO.

>FSB is just FBI guys! they don't do foreign intel!

Holy shit the lies LMAO.

>Or use their fucking spacecraft to attend to our satellites.

Especially funny because the Russians just fucked up a recent ISS supply mission, the payload literally fell off the rocket. Luckily JAXA had a supply capsule ready to go, they had planned to launch it in September but it got delayed due to maintenance issues.

>I might die

Sounds good, kill yourself and save us the wait. But if it makes you so angry, maybe you should have thought of that before fucking with the elections, Mohammad.
>> No. 114705 ID: f18629

I'm confused, what side are you on?
>> No. 114706 ID: 9dc901

>FSB is just FBI guys! they don't do foreign intel!
>Holy shit the lies LMAO.

Just because uninformed retards keep going on about FSB, doesn't mean you have to parrot everything after them.
Or do you want to willingly be one of those?

The service for foreign intel gathering coup instigating is SVR.
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This was the response so far: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/53678

Statement by the President of Russia
December 30, 2016 15:15
>We regard the recent unfriendly steps taken by the outgoing US administration as provocative and aimed at further weakening the Russia-US relationship. This runs contrary to the fundamental interests of both the Russian and American people. Considering the global security responsibilities of Russia and the United States, this is also damaging to international relations as a whole.

>As it proceeds from international practice, Russia has reasons to respond in kind. Although we have the right to retaliate, we will not resort to irresponsible ‘kitchen’ diplomacy but will plan our further steps to restore Russian-US relations based on the policies of the Trump Administration.

>The diplomats who are returning to Russia will spend the New Year’s holidays with their families and friends. We will not create any problems for US diplomats. We will not expel anyone. We will not prevent their families and children from using their traditional leisure sites during the New Year’s holidays. Moreover, I invite all children of US diplomats accredited in Russia to the New Year and Christmas children’s parties in the Kremlin.

>It is regrettable that the Obama Administration is ending its term in this manner. Nevertheless, I offer my New Year greetings to President Obama and his family.

>My season’s greetings also to President-elect Donald Trump and the American people.

>I wish all of you happiness and prosperity.

TL:DR Obama can go eat shit and have a happy new year.
>> No. 114712 ID: 22c903
I never thought I would say this but I'm really starting to like those communist bastards.
>> No. 114729 ID: 9723b1
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How does spying hurt elections? I thought this was about evil hackers hurting poor widdle Clinton, FAGGOT.

After eight years of Obummer, they're less communist than America.
>> No. 114748 ID: cdc490
I highly doubt Putin has our best interest at heart (as well he shouldn't. His obligation is to his own people), but even I can appreciate how masterfully he played this. Our administration attempted to seize the moral high ground and make the first move from a position of strength, fully expecting the opponent to respond in kind. By politely tolerating American aggression and refraining from a justified counter-rebuke, Putin has taken the moral high ground and publicly shamed us. Very well done.
>> No. 114754 ID: 1f9d7a


Obama tried to troll Trump, but instead gets himself trolled hard by Putin after handing Putin all the tools to make him look like a complete idiot.
>> No. 114755 ID: ba3dd1

>> No. 114765 ID: b70387
The Download on the DNC Hack

>As I said in a tweet a few days back, the only remarkable thing about the hacking of the DNC is that the people responsible for protecting those systems somehow didn’t expect to be constantly targeted with email-based malware attacks.

>“The analysis of the internal data allows King Servers to confidently refute any conclusions about the involvement of the Russian special services in this attack,” Fomenko said in his statement, which credits ChronoPay for the translation. “The company also reported that the attackers still owe the company $US290 for rental services and King Servers send an invoice for the payment to Donald Trump & Vladimir Putin, as well as the company reserves the right to send it to any other person who will be accused by mass media of this attack.”

>The public might also be deeply suspicious of hacking claims from a government that practically invented the art of meddling in foreign elections. As Nina Agrawal observes in The Los Angeles Times, the “U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.”
>> No. 114829 ID: 649f2c
Here is the full declassified version of the government's report
>> No. 114871 ID: b70387
Krebs' analysis:

>How many more examples do we need to understand that maybe we’re really not taking this cybersecurity stuff seriously enough given what’s at stake?
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The thing about shit like that is expecting old people to be able to handle internet technology responsibly is just unreasonable. Its like crewing up your doughnut delivery truck with stoners & expecting then not to eat any. So yeah even stupid shit will work on them and whomever was in charge of cyber security failed hard in overlooking that (probably because they're old an don't even know the basics of computer).
Back in the analog cell phone days it was well known that anyone with a scanner could listen to your phone conversations, it was widespread info, but you could site by the GW parkway in DC with a scanner and hear all these fucks talking openly on their motorolla flip phones as they rode up & down the potomac river flyway in their fancy ass planes & government choppers.
So people like hillary & podesta end up being the weak link and then they cry the loudest when shit goes wrong. Gotta be a fucking near impossible job to corral a bunch of technologically unsophisticated egotists.

Nevertheless, its pretty clear that the putinocracy which control the russian state effectively orchestrated interference, but it the interference is portrayed by some in the media as and army of tech wizards attacking us, the email tomfoolery is so basic makes the assault by russian nerds look more like faggots trying slapfight.
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No the thing about shit like this is trying to pin blame on somebody else. Instead of saying somebody local fucked up, it's obviously some foreign power doing evil things because of their evil nature. Nobody is safe because they are racist homofobes and you should totally support the current option because they don't do evil evil things like the enemy.
>> No. 114880 ID: b430d1
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LMAO go jack it to midget cock harder. the slavs were busted doing aggressive, illegal shit and they are getting fucked hard as a result. putin pussing out on kicking out Americans was already an effective an admission of guilt, but this report could only leave doubt with an illiterate or a liar.
Ever since Bush built the missile defense system I've been wanting to nuke the russians and just be done with them forever, this could be our opportunity.
>> No. 114881 ID: 396316
Can you expand some more on this "aggressive illegal shit" and provide links to the Russian government?

Hard mode: Saying "CIA SAID SO" is not a link.

>an effective an admission of guilt
The fact that a politician acting as an adult is so foreign to you that your brain short circuits on trying to find his motivations for doing so is pretty telling.

>Ever since Bush built the missile defense system I've been wanting to nuke the russians and just be done with them forever, this could be our opportunity.
Oh you sad fuck. You sad, sad fuck.
>> No. 114882 ID: 70d38f
>Oh you sad fuck. You sad, sad fuck.
I believe there is the reason for their attitude. There are apparently a lot of people who think that in a very literal way.


>atheism was the state religion of the USSR
>So in the early 1920s, the Soviet government effectively banned Islam in Central Asia.
>In the 1980s, fundamentalists were further bolstered by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which turned many Central Asians against the USSR
>Today, Central Asian Muslims are radicalizing at alarming rates.
>Thousands of Muslims have been tortured and imprisoned in the region for exercising their religious freedom, according to Human Rights Watch.

I like how US involvement in the region isn't mentioned in any way.
I like how these people try to line up the 1920s and today events.
It is a liberal logic at it's finest.
>> No. 114883 ID: cdc490
Here's the thing. I completely believe that the Russians hacked the DNC. I bet they're also not the only ones. I think Russian (and Chinese and Iranian) hacking should be taken as a given, and everyone would should act accordingly. Russia wouldn't be doing its god damn job if it WASN'T trying to hack important US political entities. You think we're not trying to shove a spy satellite up Putin's ass? I place the responsibility for this whole fuck up squarely on Clinton and the DNC. "Russia hacked us! Boohoo! No fair!" Of course they fucking did! Just assume they're going to, and handle your shit!
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>> No. 114892 ID: 791f24
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Yeah the russians really fucked up bad, they saved us from having a bunch of incompetent, dishonest, clueless egotists running our country and at the same time gave us an excuse go apeshit on them over how they went about doing it. I hope that our people are competent enough to take advantage and bring the russians as much poverty, misery, alcoholism, depression, hikikomori death as possible, for legitimate defense reasons, out of spite or just for the lulz.
>> No. 114894 ID: d4c8ee

>However there were other aspects to TRUMP's engagement with the Russian authorities. One which had borne fruit for them was to exploit TRUMP's personal obsessions and sexual perversion in order to obtain suitable kompromat (compromising material) on him. According to Source D, where s/he had been present, TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in moscow included hiring the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing a number of prostitutes to preform a "golden showers" (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to.
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Allegation is that it was a /pol/-troll. I don't know whether to laugh or to throw up. Who the fuck are they hiring at the CIA?


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>John McCain handed the documents off to James Comey
>> No. 114899 ID: cce514
Yeah and ISIS takes credit every time a granny has a heart attack and drives into a farmers market.
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>> No. 114901 ID: e266a3
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Gonna work with Jack Ma to Make Anime Great Again
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Sem-related, but funny
>However, surprised happened sometimes too, like it was with the notorious case for seducing Indonesian President Ahmed Sukarno. He was known for his sexual passion. That is why KGB sent a group of young girls to him during his visit to Moscow. Those girls got acquainted with Ahmed Sukarno in a plane, under the disguise of air hostesses, then he invited them to his hotel room in Moscow and arranged a grand orgy. The orgy was filmed by two candid cameras that were fixed behind mirrors. It seemed that the operation was just perfect. Before starting the blackmail, KGB invited Sukarno in a small private movie theatre and showed him the pornographic video, in which he was playing the main part. KGB agents were expecting him to get really frightened, that he would agree to cooperate with them at once, but everything happened vice versa: Sukarno fondly decided that it was a gift from the Soviet government, so he asked for more copies to take them back to Indonesia and show them in movie theatres. Sukarno said to flabbergasted agents that the people of Indonesia would be very proud of him, if they could see him doing the nasty with Russian girls.
>> No. 114908 ID: ae1f02
This is the most obvious troll I've ever seen. It's just too over the top
>> No. 114912 ID: b70387
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Here's hoping Trump reads some of the memo at his press conference, just to point out the utter absurdity of it all. Now that would be a sound bite!
>> No. 114913 ID: b70387
>> No. 114914 ID: f11f4d
Do note that the highlighted sections I posted (and the ones just prior that someone else did) are inspired mockery and trolling, and actually part of the "report".
>> No. 114915 ID: b70387
Jesus. There was a PDF available in the first link. Oh, well; learned a new skill today.
>> No. 114916 ID: 1519ac
>Do note that the highlighted sections I posted (and the ones just prior that someone else did) are inspired mockery and trolling, and actually part of the "report".

You mean are NOT part of the report? I certainly didn't see them in there.
>> No. 114918 ID: 70d38f
You would think there's a limit to bullshit that is happening in this exponential trend. But there isn't.


>Russia should be banned from both competing in and hosting international sporting events, say the leaders of 19 national anti-doping organisations.

>He said the London Olympics were "corrupted on an unprecedented scale", while medallists at the 2013 World Athletics Championships and the 2014 Winter Olympics were also implicated.

>The proposals were written and endorsed by anti-doping leaders from Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Netherlands, Poland, Slovenia, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States.

>everything is corrupted
>ban everything
>ban everyone
>ban everyone from everything
As if.
>> No. 114919 ID: d4c8ee
>A former British intelligence officer now working for a private security-and-investigations firm produced the dossier of unverified allegations about President-elect Donald Trump’s activities and connections in Russia, people familiar with the matter say.

>Christopher Steele, a director of London-based Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd., prepared the dossier, the people said. The document alleges that the Kremlin colluded with Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign and claims that Russian officials have compromising evidence of Mr. Trump’s behavior that could be used to blackmail him. Mr. Trump has dismissed the contents of the dossier as false and Russia has denied the claims.

>Mr. Steele, 52 years old, is one of two directors of the firm, along with Christopher Burrows, 58.

>Mr. Burrows, reached at his home outside London on Wednesday, said he wouldn’t “confirm or deny” that Orbis had produced the report. A neighbor of Mr. Steele’s said Mr. Steele said he would be away for a few days. In previous weeks Mr. Steele has declined repeated requests for interviews through an intermediary, who said the subject was “too hot.”

>The author of the report had a good reputation in the intelligence world and was stationed in Russia for years, said John Sipher, who retired in 2014 after 28 years in the CIA’s clandestine service, where he specialized in Russia and counterintelligence.

>"poor, innocent Russia is the real victim here! the CIA made the athletes cheat! russophobia!"
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>people familiar with the matter
>the people said
>a good reputation in the intelligence world

>"poor, innocent West is the real victim here! the CIA is protecting the athletes from cheat! communism, USSR, Genghis Khan are at it again!"
>> No. 114921 ID: cce514
Hmm guys, who do we trust, the shill for the country that's been repeatedly caught cheating at the Olympics, or the agency set up to bust cheating athletes?

>tyrone says he didn't rob that grocery store, but his multiple convictions say otherwise
>> No. 114922 ID: f11f4d
God dammit, yes that's correct.
Second time in two days I've left out like the most important word in a post.
>> No. 114923 ID: 70d38f
>implying "trust" means something
>> No. 114924 ID: d4c8ee
Rick Wilson beating nerds to death with a hammer today.
>The information out there wasn’t from anonymous deep-cover chan-children. Unless, of course, many current and former senior IC and diplomatic officials here and abroad are secret weebs.

>Sure you will, neet. Right after tendies and naptime.
>> No. 114927 ID: 9723b1
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Dude how far have you fallen that this guy is your idol.

I hope you're getting paid for this.
>> No. 114928 ID: cce514
And I see you're still unable to articulate anything more complex than autistic screeching about how Russia dindonuffin and ad hominems.
>> No. 114933 ID: 505f46
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yes it is and you happily swallowed the bait because it dovetails with what you want to be the truth, female tier logic. did you even the linked PDF? most of what you linked to isn't in there, it was printed out and photographed from a different source. The source document is right there and you refuse to look at it cause it gets your panties in a twist. what kinda panties you wearing today grrrl?
>> No. 114934 ID: 9723b1
>autistic screeching
>ad hominems

How about you provide evidence that Russia didsomething.

You've been claiming it for so long, surely you have something to support your argument.
>> No. 114962 ID: 1519ac
Are you retarded?
>most of what you linked to isn't in there, it was printed out and photographed from a different source.
I didn't link to anything and I clearly said that the pictures that were posted are NOT from the report.
>> No. 114966 ID: fce126
>> No. 114971 ID: d4c8ee
>Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said late Friday that his committee would investigate possible contacts between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia, reversing himself one day after telling reporters that the issue would be outside of his panel’s ongoing probe into Moscow’s election-disruption efforts.

>Burr and the intelligence panel’s top Democrat, Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, said in a joint statement that the committee's probe would touch on "intelligence regarding links between Russia and individuals associated with political campaigns" as well as Russian cyberattacks and other election meddling outlined in an intelligence report released last week.

>The committee will use “subpoenas if necessary” to secure testimony from Obama administration officials as well as Trump’s team, Burr and Warner said.

>The bipartisan Senate announcement came hours after several House Democrats aired their frustrations with FBI Director James Comey following a classified briefing on Russian election disruption. The Democrats were livid that Comey declined to confirm whether he is conducting an inquiry into potential Trump ties to Russia, The Guardian reported — a question that he publicly declined to answer earlier this week.
>> No. 114972 ID: 9723b1
I wonder if you'll suicide when the committee proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Putin didn't hack the election.
>> No. 114973 ID: 791f24
you know the basics of the scientific method says that it would be impossible to prove that "beyond a shadow of a doubt". they could only prove that they couldn't prove it. given the questionable performance of those in the counterintelligence community, i'm not sure that it would even mean all that much if they couldn't prove it. some people who grew up with strong anti-communist sentiment will probably never stop believing that putler isn't pulling the strings behind the trump administration. when i was a kid in the 70s there were all sorts of older folks who still hated the germans and the japs even though ww2 was decades past.
>> No. 114974 ID: 334c17
>you know the basics of the scientific method says that it would be impossible to prove that "beyond a shadow of a doubt"
Yes it is possible, however, this is completely irrelevant, since almost nobody has any idea what a scientific method is, even you.

>they could only prove that they couldn't prove it
Nobody did prove anything in the first place so the entire discussion is a speculation. And it is not like they ever going to.


If you know the basic of today's corrupted media, news and politics, then you should know that it is impossible to prove anything to anyone in modern world of individualists, so you can only relay on faith. The faith tells people that they are the righteous seekers of the truth, defenders of the good, a holy army of justice who stand between the hordes of evil and the innocent people of good.
>> No. 114985 ID: 9723b1
>they could only prove that they couldn't prove it
That's pretty much beyond shadow of a doubt. I realize even this isn't enough for some people, but those people have a brain disorder called "leftism".
>> No. 114997 ID: 19ede3
It would definitely be fake news to characterize Americans who experienced decades of the cold war and have a continued fear and distrust of russia as being stereotypical leftists.
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