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117283 No. 117283 ID: 04ff43
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-warplanes-call-off-surveillance-of-an-isis-convoy-at-russias-request/2017/09/08/9a51ca4c-94d9-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_story.html
>The convoy became stuck in the no man’s land between the front lines of the Syrian army and the Islamic State after the U.S. military bombed the road ahead to prevent it from reaching Islamic State territory in eastern Syria. It had been traveling there from western Syria under the terms of a deal struck between the Islamic State and the Lebanese Hezbollah movement to end fighting along the Lebanese border.

>Because Syrian troops are now in control of the area, the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State agreed to a Russian request to halt the surveillance, in the interests of deconflicting the rival Russian- and U.S.-backed efforts to defeat the militants, the statement said.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/isis-convoy-reaches-militant-held-syria-after-coalition-stops-strikes-activists-say-1505383055
>Islamic State militants stranded in the Syrian desert for two weeks have reached their destination in eastern Syria, opposition activists said, after the U.S.-led coalition heeded Russia’s request to cease airstrikes on the convoy’s route.

>The convoy of buses traveled across Syria as part of a controversial deal brokered in August by the Lebanese militia group Hezbollah that allowed 600 people—Islamic State fighters and their families—to withdraw from the Lebanese border in southwestern Syria and head toward its border with Iraq.

>The convoy was able to reach Deir Ezzour province, an Islamic State-held area in eastern Syria, after the coalition ended its aerial surveillance and airstrikes on the group, according to the U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has a network of activists across the country.

>Col. Ryan Dillon, spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq and Syria, said Thursday morning he couldn’t confirm that the buses reached their final destination and said that the coalition hadn’t had persistent surveillance of them for days.

>The U.S. had been preventing Islamic State convoy from moving toward the Iraqi border by bombing roadways and using aircraft to attack fighters who attempted to move forward. But it set aside those efforts and withdrew U.S. aircraft from the area last week at the request of Russian officials who cited a “deconfliction” agreement between Moscow and Washington, Pentagon officials said in a statement at the time.

>The Russian officials said their planes were involved in operations against Islamic State in Deir Ezzour, Pentagon officials said in a statement. At the same time, fighters described as pro-Syrian regime forces advanced past Islamic State convoy. Pentagon officials said they would continue to take steps to prevent Islamic State fighters from moving toward Iraq, but haven’t specified how they intend to stop them.

>“From the start of this situation on Aug. 29, we have placed responsibility for the buses and passengers on the Syrian regime, who in conjunction with Lebanese Hezbollah, brokered a deal with ISIS to move its terrorists into Iraq,” Brig. Gen. Jon Braga, director of operations for the U.S. coalition, said in a statement.

>Previously, the coalition had criticized the deal, launching airstrikes that cratered a road and destroyed a bridge, preventing the convoy from continuing its journey.

>The coalition then targeted Islamic State fighters trying to reach the convoy to assist it, striking 85 militants and more than 40 vehicles—describing it as an unexpected boon in the fight against the group.

>“It presented an opportunity for the coalition to strike and remove several ISIS fighters and resources from the battlefield,” said coalition spokesman U.S. Army Col. Ryan Dillon.

>Deir Ezzour is one of Islamic State’s last strongholds, but faces separate offensives by Syrian regime forces and the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces.

>The deal to allow the convoy safe passage was reached after the Lebanese army and Syrian regime forces backed by Hezbollah launched simultaneous offensives to clear Islamic State from a mountainous Lebanese area bordering Syria.

>In return, Islamic State provided information on the remains of eight Lebanese soldiers who had been kidnapped in 2014 and handed over the bodies of two Hezbollah fighters and an Iranian military adviser.

>One Hezbollah prisoner who remained with the convoy as insurance for its safe passage was released once it reached Islamic State-controlled territory, according to the Observatory.

>The deal was criticized by both the U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who called it “an insult to the Iraqi people.”

>“We are fighting terrorism in Iraq and we are killing them in Iraq. We don’t send them to Syria,” he said.
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>> No. 117587 ID: cfb398
>>117586
And I'm sure should they come back with anything you disagree with, you'll be telling us about how they were actually (((globalists))) sent by the UN to lie about the Lion Assad, may his mighty chemical weapons (which do not exist and are American Lies against a Russian ally!) cleanse the Sunni dogs from the face of the earth!
>> No. 117589 ID: 278cbe
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>>117587
>should they come back with anything you disagree with
Which they certainly wouldn't do it unless some kind of NATO enquirer squad will hit them for not abiding sanctions. In this case the delinquency is not in reporting some information (not consistent with Big Brother's code of conduct, or some other "neutral" statements), but the act of trespassing itself. So it figures, the rest of the accusations follow from that fact, not from their own words.
>> No. 117590 ID: a7b658
something something whataboutism, something something shame less hypocrisy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret

>Lorry driver Abu Fawzi thought it was going to be just another job.

>He drives an 18-wheeler across some of the most dangerous territory in northern Syria. Bombed-out bridges, deep desert sand, even government forces and so-called Islamic State fighters don’t stand in the way of a delivery.

>But this time, his load was to be human cargo. The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters opposed to IS, wanted him to lead a convoy that would take hundreds of families displaced by fighting from the town of Tabqa on the Euphrates river to a camp further north.

>The job would take six hours, maximum – or at least that's what he was told.

>But when he and his fellow drivers assembled their convoy early on 12 October, they realised they had been lied to.

>Instead, it would take three days of hard driving, carrying a deadly cargo - hundreds of IS fighters, their families and tonnes of weapons and ammunition.

...

>Abu Fawzi and dozens of other drivers were promised thousands of dollars for the task but it had to remain secret.

>The deal to let IS fighters escape from Raqqa – de facto capital of their self-declared caliphate – had been arranged by local officials. It came after four months of fighting that left the city obliterated and almost devoid of people. It would spare lives and bring fighting to an end. The lives of the Arab, Kurdish and other fighters opposing IS would be spared.

>But it also enabled many hundreds of IS fighters to escape from the city. At the time, neither the US and British-led coalition, nor the SDF, which it backs, wanted to admit their part.
>> No. 117593 ID: 278cbe
>>117590
At least that explains how they got all the way to Deir er-Zor.
>> No. 117594 ID: 3e9aae
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Russian MOD now trying to pass off video game screenshots and old footage from Iraqi gunships as "proof" that the US is helping ISIS. Image in this one is from the below video at around 0:28 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqu-P-lQLQ
>> No. 117595 ID: 3e9aae
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And this one is from the 2014 game "AC-130 Gunship Simulator: Special Ops Squadron," at about two seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clL9yZSbcE0
>> No. 117596 ID: 278cbe
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>>117590
>very long article
>"Britain" mentioned 3 times
>"US" mentioned 5 times
On the second thought, this is a normal situation. Britain and US did everything to rehabilitate former Nazi soldiers, escaped collaborators, and war criminals, because they are useful for future wars. Nowadays they are going to do the same for ISIS, of course - the only difference being that they can't even stop themselves from bragging about it.

>>117594 >>117595
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/russia-us-isis-syria-video-game-still
>very short article
>"Russia" mentioned 19 times

>The allegations are extremely grave, but may be harder to take seriously given the “irrefutable proof” offered in the form of photographic accompaniment.

So modern western media REALLY believes that Twitter posts can be presented as evidence for some sort of accusations, or maybe "proof". Like, actually. Like, you expect someone to drag it over to UN Security Council and claim that this is a fake news to discourage US. Actually fucking no joke. You know what, Russia wins this information war because it is opposed by horde of complete cretins.

Meanwhile in the real word.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-syria/u-s-to-fight-islamic-state-in-syria-as-long-as-they-want-to-fight-mattis-idUSKBN1DE037

>“The enemy hasn’t declared that they’re done with the area yet, so we’ll keep fighting as long as they want to fight,” Mattis said, speaking to reporters at the Pentagon about the future of U.S. operations in Syria.

Now that ISIS doesn't fight US, and US doesn't fight ISIS, ISIS is free to stay in Syria, and US is free to stay in Syria, since now they can together fight Assad. Brothers to the death of last brain cell.
>> No. 117597 ID: cce514
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>>117596
Woah guys a article about a press release by the Russian government mentions Russia a lot, clearly this is a conspiracy!

But it's funny you should attack denazification, considering that in east Germany it was barely done at all. The occupational government simply told people that "all the Nazis fled to the west!" while reinstating card-carrying members of the NSDAP as teachers, bureaucrats, politicians, etc and doing nothing to vet them or actually destroy national socialism on the intellectual level that the west did. Hell by the mid 50s they were back to wearing SS uniforms with the skulls removed. (and if you want to see what the "total denazification" that some fools demand would have resulted in, go look up how "successful" debaathification was in Iraq)

And how effective was this "Soviet Denazification"? Well just go and find the voting maps. The former east is now where the German neo-Nazis (sorry, "moderate pro-Russian white nationalists") get the majority of support, and now they hold torchlight rallies in Dresden with banners begging Putin to save them from the Gay American Jews. Apparently Arthur Harris didn't send enough bombers. And unsurprisingly enough there's a even greater correlation between hate crimes and the "vale of the clueless", there are more of them in the former East German regions that couldn't receive West German TV/radio transmissions due to geography or distance.
>> No. 117600 ID: 278cbe
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>>117597
>mentions Russia a lot
Meanwhile the BBC article barely registers any guilt on the side of "coalition", not to say about accusations.

>But it's funny you should attack denazification, considering that in east Germany it was barely done at all.
Oh, wait. What was that sound? Did I just struck a sore spot? Yes I did. Indeed I did.

You shouldn't really confuse post-war "denazification" with modern re-nazification of Europe, although latter is a direct consequence of the shortcomings of the former. The first one was a campaign to re-establish status-quo over the nationalist movements, when they all agreed to follow a certain nation's lead. Western countries always helped Nazis, before the war, during the war and after the war - as long as their lapdogs stayed in check, everything was considered okay. Which is especially convenient, since US was very much in need of another occupational army in case that there's an opportunity to invade and destroy USSR and anybody "unfriendly". After all, the first attempt at occupation that happened exactly 100 years ago, failed spectacularly.

>And how effective was this "Soviet Denazification"?
Pretty effective, considering that it took almost 20 years to completely negate effects of it. First there was annexation (oh, sorry, reunification) of East Germany. Then there was EU and of course NATO. Did you know that Poland, CZ, Hungary and Romania have banned Soviet symbols, books and history? What about Ukraine and Baltic states? Well, Nazi Alliance can not exist without their straw nationalists and puppet regimes, without horde of betrayers and collaborators. They forgot that as soon as you befrend any Nazis instead of just shooting them dead, they are going to infiltrate you from the inside and corrupt you with their degenerative propaganda. Same, of course, goes for radical Islamists, but who the fuck cares these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp-RRhKEBq0
Patriots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmTdE29N5jI
Defenders of Europe. No, seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1VdO6GpIeQ
Allies to Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/11/13/why-neo-fascists-are-making-a-shocking-surge-in-poland/

>This year, 60,000 “patriotic” marchers showed up. Although they weren’t all neo-fascists by any means, they did include a significant group of (mostly) men marching under the names of prewar nationalist groups and behind racist signs: “White Europe,” or “Europe Will Be White,” or “Clean Blood.” Attempting to portray the march as a normal patriotic outing, Polish state television interviewed one of the participants live on camera, asking him cheerfully why he had come. “To get the Jews out of power,” he declared — an awkward answer for the pro-government journalist, who quickly moved on.

>Large contingents of Hungarian, Slovak and Italian neo-fascist groups came to Warsaw to join the march

Suddenly US discovers that there are those people. What a fucking big surprise. 30 years of anti-soviet propaganda tailored from the best of Goebbels traditions. 30 years of destroying memorials, erasing history of war and promoting "European values". Fascism and xenophobia, Russophobia and warmongering, and suddenly there are shitheads all over the Europe. Who would have guessed? Who is responsible, one would ask?

>Poland’s divisive defense minister, a particularly loud “patriot,” has strange Russian links as well.
Naturally.

>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/12/polish-minister-accused-of-having-links-with-pro-kremlin-far-right-groups
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_Macierewicz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5-VW5KIz8
Wait a second, what? A defence minister? THAT ONE? Do you have any idea who is this guy even?
Primary NATO boot licker - and suddenly he's under suspicion? I am ... impressed. No, seriously, these people just exceeded my expectations.
>> No. 117603 ID: f3b701
>>117597
the former east is against "Gay American Jews" and refugees because they have lived under communism before. yes, the EU is communism. they have lived through terror states where a few bureucrats rule over you in ways that would make kings of old go green with envy. Poland has a more "faaaar riiiight" attitude than the former-DDR, are you going to ascribe that to failed de-nazification of Poland too? But you are right, the sovoks didn't really bother to de-nazify the DDR. Why? Because the Nazis were socialists...

>>117600
>modern re-nazification of Europe

not wanting for million of incompatible immigrants to flood into your country is "modern re-nazification of Europe"?
>> No. 117605 ID: 278cbe
>>117603
>yes, the EU is communism
Of course they're not, you illiterate moron. It's called oligopoly, not communism.
>Because the Nazis were socialists
"Socialists" who were shooting their own citizens for "wrong genetic" reasons.

>not wanting for million of incompatible immigrants to flood into your country is "modern re-nazification of Europe"?
These are, in fact, two separate issues initially.

After dissolution of Warsaw pact, a lot of countries decided to install democratic governments on behalf of European integration. And immigration laws initially were the result of business wanting a lot more cheap labour, especially for menial jobs.

Unfortunately, because EU doesn't want to manage it's own problems (in security and demographic), these problems were readily handled to NATO - a biggest international organized crime syndicate on Earth. NATO specializes in serving corporate interests and US policies, but also is very famous for it's drug, weapons and human trafficking, insurgency, corruption and terrorism.

First all, they installed "decommunization" movements in Eastern Europe and promoted nationalist parties in the region. Then they allowed former collaborators from US, Canada and other countries to return in these countries as government officials, businessmen, cultural and political activists and so on - to further reinforce new occupational regime. Finally, they've started to destroy anything that connected these countries with their communist past (history, culture, education, industry, politics and diplomacy), leaving in place fascist regimes, incapable of independent actions.

When all of these countries were suppressed, indoctrinated, pigeon-holed economically and culturally, NATO turned onto non-European countries, creating chaos and destruction all around Europe - this is the history of last decade which you slept over at your PC. Thus the surge of immigration. NATO is not going to care about your security. NATO is not going to care about your demographics. It is going to wear you down until you will be defeated and destroyed, whether you are "friend" or "foe", then it will throw you into trash and start all over again with next generation.

("you illiterate moron")
(/n/ Rule 2)
>> No. 117608 ID: f3b701
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>>117605
>Of course they're not, you illiterate moron. It's called oligopoly, not communism.

my perfect brand of gommunizm has never been tried.jpg

>"Socialists" who were shooting their own citizens for "wrong genetic" reasons.

yapp. that's the heller test for commies: shooting folks that disagree with them on some issue. bolsheviks shot quite a few of their "own citizens" for all sorts of reasons, wrong genetics included.
>> No. 117614 ID: 278cbe
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/20/donald-tusk-says-poland-following-kremlin-plan-amid-strained/
>“Alert! Serious dispute with Ukraine, isolation in the EU, departure from the rule of law and independence of the courts, attack on the NGO sector and free media - PiS strategy or Kremlin plan? Too similar to sleep peacefully,”
Now this is going to be even more interesting. Poland, who always blindly follows NATO's plans and instructions to the point, gets blamed for the slightest deviations from them.

http://tass.com/world/971892
>Amendments to the 2016 Law on de-Communization that take effect in Poland as of Saturday, October 21 may affect 469 objects - buildings, monuments, obelisks, sculptures, tablets, columns, and statues - that ‘glorify Communism’. Monuments to the Red Army soldiers make up more a half of that number.
Clearly those pesky nationalists controlled by Putin didn't demolish enough monuments for last 20 years and staging yet another attack on ... uh.. themselves?

>Stettin was a German city for 1000 years. The red army gave away that city to Poland in 1945.
Yes, it appears so. Shooting yourself in the leg like any normal nationalist would do - I expected no less from them.

>>117605
>personal attack
>on anonymous imageboard
>can't call a dumbass "dumbass" for once
Jesus fucking Christ stop this already.

>>117608
>has never been tried
But that would also mean that anti-communist psychopaths has always been fighting their own phantoms. Well, they deserve to be overrun by barbaric immigrants while getting back-stabbed by their own "best friends".

>wrong genetics included
Of course not, because they weren't shitbrained Nazis. Every educated person knows that being such imbecile is not a survivable treat by itself, so there's no need to help natural selection do its work.
>> No. 117618 ID: f3b701
>>117614
>that would also mean that anti-communist psychopaths has always been fighting their own phantoms.

ha! runglisch! why am I not surprised?

>wrong genetics included
>Of course not, because they weren't shitbrained Nazis.

Commies=Nazis, deal with it.

>Every educated person knows that being such imbecile is not a survivable treat by itself, so there's no need to help natural selection do its work.

reading salon, watching TyT and screeching for Bernie gibs on campus does not an education make. overall, the degree of classism and elitism displayed by those who claim to be fighting classism and elitism (Marxists sensu lato) is mind blowing.
>> No. 117619 ID: 278cbe
>>117618
>why am I not surprised?
Because you're <rule 2 of this stupid board>.

>Commies=Nazis
Contrary to Western Imperialists, Stalin never shook hands with Hitler. Nazis = Imperialists = Capitalists. Learn it before it is too late, it might save your life next time you are going to be backstabbed by your fellow "white people".

>reading salon, watching TyT and screeching for Bernie gibs on campus does not an education make
Assuredly, Mensheviks are scum of the earth. It may take some time before they realise that their manners and education are as liberal as it gets, but then it will be too late to do anything anyway.
>tfw Bernie asks his lemmings vote for Hillary
>and they still lose
>> No. 117621 ID: ebb4ba
>>117619
>for centuries be so poor and incompetent that you can't conquer anyone
>later get to claim a nonexistent moral high-ground based on whataboutism

>invade a peaceful nation along with the nazis
>pretend it never happened decades after because the west is a bunch of meanies :(((
this is actually what goes on in the brain of a russian
>> No. 117622 ID: 278cbe
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>>117621
>for centuries be so poor and incompetent that you can't conquer anyone
>later get to claim a nonexistent moral high-ground based on whataboutism
Projection in it's finest.

>invade a peaceful nation along with the nazis
Let me take a minute here and give it a good laugh. *inhales deeply*

..
....
(five minutes later)

I need to apologize.
I need to apologize to you and to >>117618, I wasn't entirely honest.

When I was saying about "Nazism=Communism" claim, I was saying that they are quite the opposite, but I wasn't mentioning the other part of that concept - it is that in modern Europe/US Communism is considered to be far worse then Nazism. I mean, on average. After all, racism is a domestic and very traditional thing for Western nations, and Communism for them is outright alien.

The explanation might be that modern European definition of Nazism is in fact "German fascism", and modern apologists explain everything else through the fact that that sort of "Nazism" forced them to comply and occupy "peaceful nation of Poland" and the rest of Europe. And by that logic, naturally, Communism did the same - occupied the peaceful nations of Estonians, Lituanians and Latvians. By that logic, all the rest of Europe were just little forest hobbits who were forced into crimes against humanity - by evil dictators.

So, in effect what people understood as "Nazism" in Europe 50 years ago - was never really purged, the only thing that was purged was "German fascism". So what people understood as "de-nazification" (courtesy of >>117597) was in fact a complete destruction and enslavement of German nation. Naturally, USSR and East Germany didn't try to destroy German nation, and it took quite a while to "fix" the situation, to force it in the condition that we have today.

The result is quite spectacular. When you ask such "European" about war crimes and genocide performed on occupied territories in WW2, they would say "Germans did it" or "Russians did it", "we would never do such a thing". But if you start to inquire such people about immigrants, foreigners, communists and leftists, they would damn agree that it is good to get rid of these people all at once. This leads any sufficiently sane person to one sole conclusion - modern European revisionists don't actually think themselves that genocide is a bad thing. They don't think that war crime is in killing people for their skin colour, their political views or their culture and ancestry.

No, the crime against humanity was in killing wrong people. A peaceful nation of Poland will learn from these mistakes and this time it will make sure to do it properly.
>> No. 117623 ID: ebb4ba
>>117622
Western leftists may be able to occasionally get away with this pathetic corruption of vocabulary and syntax, but it simply does not work when you're a non-native speaking shill. Do you even realize how nonsensical that drivel you just posted is, or do you not care because of the deep satisfaction you get from defending mommy Rossiya?
>> No. 117624 ID: 278cbe
>>117623
>do you not care because of the deep satisfaction you get from defending mommy Rossiya?
I suppose you are getting envious? The only thing I heard from modern nationalists in their own defence is a stock cliche about peaceful nation that dindunufin.
>> No. 117626 ID: ed44c7
And You are Lynching Negroes: The Thread
>> No. 117642 ID: 278cbe
  >>117626
Well actually it's not. It would be a different story if US would somehow cooperate with Russia in fighting terrorism, but instead it invents nonsensical excuses and fabricates false accusations, while continuing to support all sorts of Islamic extremists in the conflict zone.

Meanwhile.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-tells-turkish-president-us-will-stop-arming-kurds-in-syria/2017/11/24/61548936-d148-11e7-a1a3-0d1e45a6de3d_story.html
It appears that US is putting some effort to unfuck their diplomatic stalemate in the region after it tried to sell out every single participant of this war. Obviously, by selling out their most loyal ally.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/24/islamic-states-defeat-could-result-in-isis-2-point-0-or-al-qaeda-3-point-0.html
>"Defeating the physical caliphate so it's no longer on a map has to be a good thing, it's the right thing to do," she said. "But you then have to get the follow-up right and if we, the international community, don't get the politics right, the reconstruction, the economic (element) and the governing solutions in the right place then it will lead to Daesh (ISIS) 2.0 or al-Qaeda 3.0."
Basically, this "anti-ISIS" coalition admits that it failed to deal with AQ (as well as invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and several other countries), and it has full confidence to do it again. How about just stop financing extremists all over the world in the first place?
>> No. 117652 ID: 5a765a
>>117642
>"well, actually it's not"
>proceeds into classic whataboutism
American guilt does not mean Russian exoneration and never will.
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>>117652
>"proceeds into classic whataboutism"
>"hey, what about that whataboutism"
Apparently you failed to notice that this situation in Syria is not about terrorism and blaming each other, it's about throwing down legitimate government and invasion of sovereign country.

American MSM nowadays have 3 modes of operation. The first one is blatant bullshit-spewing which only really works on those who are allied with US. Like this one down below. The second mode is blatant finger pointing, which is almost always synchronised with US own actions - "if you don't want to be blamed by someone, blame them first to seize the initiative". And the third mode is blatant ignorance, as demonstrated by this up there person.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/362157-usaid-worker-in-uzbekistan-described-an-acoustic-attack-report
>Such attacks have hit American personnel in Cuba. Victims from the Cuba attacks have described incidents in which they were targeted by sudden, glaring noise that officials believe led the diplomats to suffer sudden brain injuries including hearing loss and speech problems.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/28/russia-may-have-hand-in-cuba-sonic-attacks/
>The victims of the Cuban attacks reported hearing a loud, high-pitched sound in their homes and elsewhere. They suffered brain injuries, hearing loss and other issues.

Somebody forgot to put on their tinfoil hats when leaving home recently.
>> No. 117670 ID: 278cbe
  http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/the-latest-russia-says-troops-have-helped-kurds-defeat-is
>The Russian military says its special forces have fought alongside Kurdish-led forces to defeat the Islamic State group in eastern Syria.
>The statement marked the first official confirmation that Russian ground troops have fought alongside the Kurds in eastern Syria, marking a new degree of cohesion.
It's over now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/in-praise-of-refugee-chefs-they-came-from-syria-but-they-represent-an-american-ideal/2017/12/06/64e7c4be-c400-11e7-aae0-cb18a8c29c65_story.html
>muh moral equivalent of America’s founding fathers
>> No. 117672 ID: b430d1
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>russia declares victory over terrorist group they created
>> No. 117675 ID: 278cbe
  https://eadaily.com/en/news/2017/12/07/soross-prediction-of-russias-failure-24-days-left
Soros shills are becoming nervous - the deadline is getting near.

>>117672
>terrorist group they created
But "they" don't intend to leave anyway.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/us-troops-syria.html

>Military officials said that the 2,000 personnel in Syria represented something of a high-water mark as the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria winds down. The American-led coalition has retaken 97 percent of the territory once held by the militants, and the military is working to stabilize recently liberated areas, including the restoration of basic essential services, the removal of explosive materials and the distribution of humanitarian aid.

>Colonel Manning said troop numbers would continue to decline as the American-led coalition transitioned to missions to train and advise local forces.

Don't forget to donate your money to "humanitarian aid" projects, so the terro^W freedom fighters can get more weapons, warm clothers and food, and continue to hold thousands of hostages in still occupied areas of Syria.
>> No. 117687 ID: c7eea1
>>117653
>r-r-russia would never attack another country's embassy! tinfoil hats!

For most of the cold war the US embassy in Moscow had several high-power microwave emitters pointed at it. Cancers, eye problems, skin conditions and other long-term brain problems are notably higher in embassy employees from that period.

Simple fact of the matter is that Russia is trying to harm Cuba's relations with the US.
>> No. 117689 ID: 278cbe
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-trump-to-speak-at-rally-in-florida-ahead-of-alabama-election
>Trump says ‘America is being respected again’ by defeating ISIS, street gangs at home and abroad

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/tom_shattuck/2017/12/shattuck_trump_s_leadership_military_support_enabled_us_to
>Shattuck: Trump’s leadership, military support enabled U.S. to eradicate Islamic State

https://www.newsmax.com/christopherreid/trump-isis-terror-mattis/2017/12/05/id/830039/
>Trump Defeated ISIS by Letting Our Military Do What It Does Best

When you see Americans bragging about winning the war, it probably means that the war is over. So let us start another war. Kill, kill, kill, until there's the end of it.

Anyway, back to the OP's topic.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-defector/defector-says-thousands-of-islamic-state-fighters-left-raqqa-in-secret-deal-idUSKBN1E12AP

>Talal Silo, a former commander in the Syrian Democratic Forces, said the SDF arranged to bus all remaining Islamic State militants out of Raqqa even though it said at the time it was battling diehard foreign jihadists in the city.

>“Agreement was reached for the terrorists to leave, about 4,000 people, them and their families,” Silo said, adding that all but about 500 were fighters.

>>117687
>Cancers, eye problems, skin conditions and other long-term brain problems are notably higher
>Russia is trying to harm Cuba's relations with the US
These problems are obviously the consequences of long-term degeneration of American elite, but let's just blame everything on some boogieman and carry on as if nothing happened.
>> No. 117691 ID: 1989a8
>>117672
Funny thing here people say US created ISIS.
I blame the eternal jew tho.
>> No. 117692 ID: 1989a8
>>117605
>"Socialists" who were shooting their own citizens for "wrong genetic" reasons.

Yeah, we solved this issue by stifling genetics as a science instead, lmao. You could pretend one is more benign than the other but in both cases retarded shit dominated the ideology and citizens were murdered by the state. Nazis just look more appealing to a reasonable man nowadays because at the time they fought against what could be seent as the budding sources of degeneracy of the modern world.
>> No. 117693 ID: 278cbe
>>117692
>You could pretend one is more benign than the other
Or you can change your opinion on a whim to help them kill each other (and everybody around them) more confidently. Congratulations, you are a hero now!

>Nazis just look more appealing to a reasonable man nowadays because at the time they fought against what could be seent as the budding sources of degeneracy of the modern world.
Or so they usually state. In reality they were butt-mad cultists who thought that "aristocracy" shall teach "peasants" how to fight "degeneracy". Brits and Americans through the history have a knack to find most bloodthirsty maniacs in the region and support them for fun and profit.
>> No. 117694 ID: 1989a8
>>117693
That's politics 101 though. Divide and conquer.
We used to do the same as USSR very well too, the only problem was that socialist politics inevitably lead to ruin for various reasons.
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>>117694
>That's politics 101 though.
That's no politics, this is called "doctrine". Modern American-led coalition operate on many of similar doctrines, but I noticed one prevalent tendency among them - there can be no crime greater than giving money to poor people. Any genocide backslash bleaks in comparison to Western powers reaction to that highest order of sin.

>Divide and conquer.
Minus conquer part. When the nation is stripped of it's resources, culture, identity and other values, it is left to die on it's own. When their purpose is fulfilled, the people are longer needed.

>socialist politics inevitably lead to ruin for various reasons
Capitalist regimes lack facilities capable of reviewing a failure of their politics. If something goes wrong, they blame it on someone else, on those who are absent, on forces of nature, on ideology, or just plain ignoring whatever happened. After which comes the point where one regime is displaced by another, and the cycle starts from the beginning.

Western-supported "rebels" of Syria operate on this doctrine through 7 years of uninterrupted fighting and they do not even seem to perceive their own futility.
>> No. 117696 ID: 1989a8
>>117695
>there can be no crime greater than giving money to poor people
Hey, I never thought about that. That's pretty smart. Poor people are poor for a reason, giving them money might be a waste so it's better not to bother at all.

>Minus conquer part. When the nation is stripped of it's resources, culture, identity and other values, it is left to die on it's own. When their purpose is fulfilled, the people are longer needed.
Sounds pretty conquered to me.

>Capitalist regimes lack facilities capable of reviewing a failure of their politics.
Wut? You should elaborate on what you mean by that. Because as is it's just wrong.

>Western-supported "rebels" of Syria operate on this doctrine through 7 years of uninterrupted fighting and they do not even seem to perceive their own futility.
Nigger problems don't confront the sheriff. As long as they're fighting it's easier to play ball in their countries.
>> No. 117697 ID: 278cbe
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>>117696
>Poor people are poor for a reason, giving them money might be a waste so it's better not to bother at all.
And the reason is rich people. It is pretty hard to make a good use of money if you are deprived of them.

When Gaddafi revealed his plans to create alternative source of wealth in the African continent, it didn't take more than one month to organize an invasion and arrange complete destruction of a nation of 6 million people. When Bashar al-Assad refused to let his people (who elected him as a rightful leader of their nation) be robbed of their territory, resources and chances of survival, US hired their favourite jihadist "freedom fighters" to cleanse the region of all excessive population, that can't be useful for making profit.

>Sounds pretty conquered to me.
Differences in doctrines, once again. Most nations are able find peace and conciliation among neighbouring countries, while US is famous for it's xenophobia, aggressiveness and complete disregard of consequences. If your opponent has died, it is dead, and not conquered. If you erase his history from the books, people wouldn't even know he was there, and there's no victory. When you offer someone a choice between short and painful death, and long and hopeless extinction, it is not a conquest by any measure.

>Because as is it's just wrong.
No, of course it isn't. Capitalists usually like to openly brag about failures of socialism while any educated person is well-aware how much they borrowed from said "failures". They regularly fail to notice when they become susceptible to same problems they just declared as unique trait of socialism.

>As long as they're fighting it's easier to play ball in their countries.
What a pleasant surprise. Last time I checked the press feed, it was still "Assad must go".
>> No. 117698 ID: 1989a8
>>117697
>And the reason is rich people. It is pretty hard to make a good use of money if you are deprived of them.

First you talk about not giving money to those that are already poor, now about depriving money from those who had them in the first place. These are 2 different things.

>When Gaddafi revealed his plans to create alternative source of wealth in the African continent, it didn't take more than one month to organize an invasion and arrange complete destruction of a nation of 6 million people. When Bashar al-Assad refused to let his people (who elected him as a rightful leader of their nation) be robbed of their territory, resources and chances of survival, US hired their favourite jihadist "freedom fighters" to cleanse the region of all excessive population, that can't be useful for making profit.

Yeah, poor guy got mirked because he had the right idea but he should have predicted USA's reaction as well. I wonder why we didn't help him out tho. Didn't have good nough military to get involved or was his idea damaging to us as well?

>When you offer someone a choice between short and painful death, and long and hopeless extinction, it is not a conquest by any measure.

It's not? Does conquest always imply subjugation and exploitation? Would "vanquish" be a more correct term to use?
Still I wouldn't look for peace and conciliation with Islamic nations because it would only end up in you becoming their follower/slave or death. Extermination is the correct way of dealing with them.

>No, of course it isn't. Capitalists usually like to openly brag about failures of socialism while any educated person is well-aware how much they borrowed from said "failures". They regularly fail to notice when they become susceptible to same problems they just declared as unique trait of socialism.

You say that without any examples while both of us have housing, food, medicine and entertainment in capitalist countries while socialist ones often quickly fail to provide even that.

>What a pleasant surprise. Last time I checked the press feed, it was still "Assad must go".
Easier not just for them but for us as well :3 I doubt that removing troops from Syria is a good idea though, we must have left a base or two in there, right? Or are we fucking off completely?
>> No. 117701 ID: 278cbe
  >>117698
>These are 2 different things.
I don't see any meaningful difference. Who is going to decide, which poor person is just "poor", and which is just "deprived"? Well, this is kind of rhetorical question since we already know the answer.

>he should have predicted USA's reaction as well
Nobody can predict a reaction of hysterical psychopath. Some people think this behaviour actually grants you a strategical advantage, but they are far from being right.

>It's not? Does conquest always imply subjugation and exploitation? Would "vanquish" be a more correct term to use?
The modern history term for this action is "genocide". Not some run-of-the-mill conquest and victory, loss of wealth and resources, but complete and thorough erasure from land and from memory. It is not because all of the Western world is ruled by this, it is because there's certain cohort of people who assume that extermination of human population may be necessary.

>Extermination is the correct way of dealing with them.
As I already mentioned above, the funny part of that statement is that US went to destroy the two most secular Islamic countries, while simultaneously supporting most radical Islamic parties during "Arab spring". If anything, it means that they want to kill as many people as possible, regardless of religion or nation. You know, for "rational" reasons.

>You say that without any examples while both of us have housing, food, medicine and entertainment in capitalist countries while socialist ones often quickly fail to provide even that.
Whenever something good happens with capitalists, they prise their economic religion. Whenever something bad happens with capitalists, they blame it on socialism (see picture above). The dissolution of USSR and turn towards liberal democracy did not bring any wealth to it's nations - let's blame it on Communism. The rise of Chinese economy is making US nervous and stiff-lipped, but of course most odious ones don't hesitate to state it was accomplished by Capitalism. Admittedly, Capitalists of Cold War era were more self-conscious.

>Or are we fucking off completely?
US is stuck in permanent cycle where it invents reasons to fuck with everyone, all the time, so I don't expect them to fuck off anywhere unless forcefully kicked out.
>> No. 117707 ID: 1989a8
>>117701
>I don't see any meaningful difference. Who is going to decide, which poor person is just "poor", and which is just "deprived"? Well, this is kind of rhetorical question since we already know the answer.

A good question nontheless because many who are "poor believe themselves"to be deprived and socialism thrives on them.

>Nobody can predict a reaction of hysterical psychopath. Some people think this behaviour actually grants you a strategical advantage, but they are far from being right.

How is it psychotic to defend your direct and indirect economic interests? Don't need to be an oracle to predict US will fuck with you if you try to move away from monopoly money.

>The modern history term for this action is "genocide". Not some run-of-the-mill conquest and victory, loss of wealth and resources, but complete and thorough erasure from land and from memory. It is not because all of the Western world is ruled by this, it is because there's certain cohort of people who assume that extermination of human population may be necessary.

Genocide is the right way to do it though. If you leave the enemy alive he will surely try and get back at you. What are the examples of the US genociding anybody though? They seem to fail even if they try like in Vietnam. The 9/11 guy on the video is a bit shady, you wouldn't bother with rules of engagement if you wanted to exterminate a nation. He also unintentionally makes a good point that if you bother killing civilians you better go all the way and glass the earth. Especially if you're talking muslims.

>As I already mentioned above, the funny part of that statement is that US went to destroy the two most secular Islamic countries, while simultaneously supporting most radical Islamic parties during "Arab spring". If anything, it means that they want to kill as many people as possible, regardless of religion or nation. You know, for "rational" reasons.

Yeah, that's fucked up. Seems like Americans are more interested in the momentary gains or go off whatever lobby bids the highest. Islam isn't a threat you can just put on a backburner.

>Whenever something good happens with capitalists, they prise their economic religion. Whenever something bad happens with capitalists, they blame it on socialism (see picture above). The dissolution of USSR and turn towards liberal democracy did not bring any wealth to it's nations - let's blame it on Communism. The rise of Chinese economy is making US nervous and stiff-lipped, but of course most odious ones don't hesitate to state it was accomplished by Capitalism. Admittedly, Capitalists of Cold War era were more self-conscious.

China is blatantly capitalist though with free market and private property. Also what bad things happen with capitalism? Recessions? Market crashes?

>US is stuck in permanent cycle where it invents reasons to fuck with everyone, all the time, so I don't expect them to fuck off anywhere unless forcefully kicked out.

Bases cost money to maintain and we can't exactly just print it out like America. Would be nice to get oil/mining rights in exchange for protection tho.
>> No. 117708 ID: 278cbe
>>117707
>A good question nontheless because many who are "poor believe themselves"to be deprived and socialism thrives on them.
They're supposed to have the right to believe whatever they choose to.

>How is it psychotic to defend your direct and indirect economic interests? Don't need to be an oracle to predict US will fuck with you if you try to move away from monopoly money.
Psychotic is the way US extends it's "interests" to the every corner of Earth, to the skies above and space beyond. There's no way to exist on this planet and not to run into US "defending their interests". So in the end there's no way to predict if US decides to fuck with you, since this notion is not based on rational decisions initially, no matter how rational will be all the consequences.

>Genocide is the right way to do it though. If you leave the enemy alive he will surely try and get back at you.
I he will be able to. If he will want to. If he will have the reason to. This is not how it works with large group of people. Most of the wars are results of human mistakes and by the end all these people turn out dead or morally destroyed, and there's no need for war any more. Europe is full of people who did not disappear through the centuries of wars, even after number of complete defeats.

>What are the examples of the US genociding anybody though?
Every single one of them since the beginning. Though it doesn't mean that US is good at this job - they occasionally hire some other people to do it instead.

>Especially if you're talking muslims.
And don't get me wrong - I'm obliged to point out that "Muslim" is not a nation. US has a lot of Muslim "friends" in Middle East, and it regularly fucks with them in many different positions.

>China is blatantly capitalist though with free market and private property. Also what bad things happen with capitalism? Recessions? Market crashes?
Most of the bad things in capitalism are so inherent to the system that capitalists don't even see them matter. They don't care about income inequality, about death and starvation, about wars, about debts, and about many things. Truly, it is better for a capitalist to live in unending horror rather then meet a horrible end.

>Would be nice to get oil/mining rights in exchange for protection tho.
Regardless of situation, it is never nice out there on this market, and US "help" usually is a bad case of protection racket anyway.
>> No. 117710 ID: 1989a8
>>117708
>They're supposed to have the right to believe whatever they choose to.

Sure but you can't act your beliefs out if they go against other fundamental rights like private property. People think they're deprived so they resort to violence in hopes steal back the fortune. We all know how that ends.

>Psychotic is the way US extends it's "interests" to the every corner of Earth, to the skies above and space beyond.

That's not psychotic, that's how it should be done. We do that as well. The world is your oyster but you have to hurry the fuck up with the sword.

>I he will be able to. If he will want to. If he will have the reason to. This is not how it works with large group of people. Most of the wars are results of human mistakes and by the end all these people turn out dead or morally destroyed, and there's no need for war any more. Europe is full of people who did not disappear through the centuries of wars, even after number of complete defeats.

Old wars are different since the population wasn't as dense and lands required a lot of manual labor. Europe is mostly white and Christian as well so making truces and finding common grounds would have been easier to do. But in retrospect, they should have genocided the Anglos, lmao.

>Every single one of them since the beginning. Though it doesn't mean that US is good at this job - they occasionally hire some other people to do it instead.

No, give an actual example of whom and how they tried to genocide, otherwise it's pointless.

>And don't get me wrong - I'm obliged to point out that "Muslim" is not a nation. US has a lot of Muslim "friends" in Middle East, and it regularly fucks with them in many different positions.

Islam's ultimate goal is creating a nation though. That's why it shouldn't be protected by whatever laws protect religious freedom. Muslims should be treated as a foreign nation/extremist cell that is trying to steal away your country and clay. As for US fucking with their sandnigger "friends", how did they do it? I'm kind of curious.

>Most of the bad things in capitalism are so inherent to the system that capitalists don't even see them matter. They don't care about income inequality, about death and starvation, about wars, about debts, and about many things. Truly, it is better for a capitalist to live in unending horror rather then meet a horrible end.

Income isn't equal even under socialism so that's pointless, death and starvation are a staple of socialist countries while most capitalist ones manage to avoid that, if you know any glaring examples to the contrary don't forget to share them with us. Wars are not inherently capitalist, they've been around before people learned how to properly trade. And what do you mean by just saying "debt", lol?

>Regardless of situation, it is never nice out there on this market, and US "help" usually is a bad case of protection racket anyway.

Again, as it should be. You shouldn't help a nation for free. We've been playing the good samaritan of the world ever since USSR and now every nigger expects freebies from us while pretending to be our friend. Hopefully we understand that and will change our attitude.
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>>117710
>Sure but you can't act your beliefs out if they go against other fundamental rights like private property.
Not "if", but "when". You are not supposed to break their freedom of speech and thought to defend the right of private property. Fundamental rights are fundamental because their breach will cause irreparable damage, not because you can use them to justify anything you want. Shut the poor people down, enforce social inequality and thought control, and no matter how weak they are, your society will collapse.

>That's not psychotic, that's how it should be done.
A matter of sanity is knowing where to limit yourself. Even Britons knew well as fuck there's not much use to stick their nose into other empires internal business. US is different altogether. Yesterday they fought "terrorism". Today they fight Russia. Tomorrow they are going to fight China. Somewhere between they are going to fight fucking aliens and UFOs, without much respect to it's military integrity and transparency.

>No, give an actual example of whom and how they tried to genocide, otherwise it's pointless.
I guess that picture can be explanatory enough.

>how did they do it? I'm kind of curious
>most capitalist ones manage to avoid that
>And what do you mean by just saying "debt", lol?
You must be fucking joking.

>Wars are not inherently capitalist, they've been around before people learned how to properly trade.
Trade is not inherently capitalist. But not much people waged total war just over some trade issues.

>Again, as it should be.
Alright, I assume we came to what we had in the beginning without much progress anywhere. Some people prefer to stick to their old ways, no matter how terrible they are.
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>ISIL is destroyed
>but US still sending in more "freedom fighters"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/09/russia-fought-swarm-drones-attac

>Thirteen attack drones were launched against the Khmeimim air base and a naval facility in the city of Tartus on Syria’s western coast, the Russian defence ministry said.

>Russian forces shot down seven of the drones with anti-aircraft missiles while the other six were hacked by a cyberware unit and taken under Russian control, the ministry said. No damage or casualties at the two military bases were reported.
>> No. 117764 ID: 278cbe
  http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-strange-explanation-drone-attack-syria-bases-us-turkey-2018-1
>Ukraine: we did not do this

http://tass.com/defense/984635
>"Preliminary analysis has shown that the main explosive used in the bombs was pentaerythritol tetranitrate (also known as PENT, PENTA or TEN), which has a far higher yield than hexogen. This explosive is manufactured in a number of countries, including Ukraine’s Shostka chemical agents plant. It cannot be made in makeshift conditions or extracted from other ammunition," he said.
>> No. 117765 ID: cdbe32
>>117764
>Ukraine produces one of the most common military explosives
>UKRAINE DID THIS TO US! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>It cannot be made in makeshift conditions or extracted from other ammunition," he said.

A statement at odds with reality, like most Russian claims. PETN only needs basic lab equipment and cooling for synthesis and is one of the more common explosives used in terror plots: The shoe bombing, the underwear bomber, the 2009 Saudi rectum bomb assassin, and so on.
http://www.powerlabs.org/chemlabs/petn.htm
>> No. 117770 ID: 278cbe
  >>117765
>terrorists in Syria are using military explosives
>so does Ukraine
>Ukraine denied allegations because they are "fake"
>Ukraine creates civilian-grade drones to bomb the targets
>so did the Syrian rebels
>US denied their support because "drones are common thing"
>it just happened so that both groups are supported by US in plenty
If anything, it proves that these people are all the same.
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>terrorists build model airplanes out of lawn mower engines and literal garbage and attach mortar shells and a Chinese Ardupilot/Pixhawk knockoff to them
>"only AMERICA AND UKRAINE posses packing tape and plywood technology!"
>> No. 117775 ID: 41441c
>>117764
>http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-strange-explanation-drone-attack-syria-bases-us-turkey-2018-1

Did you even read the rest of your article?

>Experts agree: Russia is wrong

>Business Insider spoke with multiple experts who all said that the drones could have been constructed and operated from a distance of more than 30 miles by rebels without any outside help.

>Gorenburg, the CNA research scientist, said Russia was likely "embarrassed" by the attack and the MoD may have needed to attribute the drone strike to "a major power."

>Caitlin Lee, a political scientist at the RAND Corp., told Business Insider that GPS or a camera would be needed to operate a drone at such a distance.

>"It's not out of the realm of possibility for a non-state actor to put GPS software on a drone," Lee said.

>The Russian Defense Ministry even admitted that one of the drones had a camera on it.

>Velicovich, the author of "Drone War," said the drones could have come from ISIS, which has been increasingly active in Syria's Idlib province.

>"Wouldn't surprise me if this was ISIS's drone unit, which has been active for a few years now and played with similar technology under their Al Bara Bin Malik brigade," he said.
>> No. 117781 ID: 278cbe
  >>117771
And this, ladies and gents, is the time when desperation turns into acceptance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42687958
>"What the American administration has done comes in the context of its destructive policy in the region to fragment countries... and impedes any solutions to the crises," an official at the foreign ministry was cited as saying by the Sana news agency.

>>117775
>Experts agree: Russia is wrong
>CNA research scientist
>political scientist at the RAND Corp
>the author of "Drone War"
"Experts" agree because they can not expose themselves as promoters or participants of such strategy. Those who disagree, would naturally remain silent.

>Did you even read the rest of your article?
Did you even consider reading the second article?

>"The creation of drones of this class is impossible in an improvised manner. Their development and usage involved specialists, who had undergone special training in the countries manufacturing and using systems with unmanned aerial vehicles," the general said.

>The assembly and usage of unmanned aerial vehicles is a difficult engineering task that demands "special training, know-how in various scientific areas and practical experience in creating these devices," he said.

>Special software is also needed to use these drones, the general noted. For efficient usage of ammunition information on exact target location and such parameters as altitude, flight and wind speed is required. This information cannot be obtained from the Internet, Novikov stressed.

Actually building a plane that can fly for 30 kilometres requires an effort of qualified specialist or experienced modeller. Buying a completely assembled and tuned plane on the open market would be acceptable for a terrorist group, which lacks such specialists, but even Pentagon admits they where "makeshift". There's only one field where two of such professions are intersecting, and this field is called "government supported terrorism".

>"In mid-2016, foreign-made quadcopters were launched to conduct air reconnaissance and carry out strikes. It should be noted here that we registered the appearance of new types and versions of drones operated by militants in Syria a few days after they had gone on free sale in various countries," he said.

Which indicates short supply lines as well. After all, no civil war can exist long enough without foreign support.
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Although the attitude may change, the usual "expert" doublethink remains in place, of course.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/drone-attacks-on-russian-bases-in-syria-expose-security-holes-1516017608

>A wave of attacks on Russian bases in Syria, including the use of drones, has exposed fresh weaknesses in President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to cement a permanent military presence for Moscow there, weeks after he declared victory.

>“The Russian military’s lack of preparedness here is an issue,” said Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Moscow-based defense think tank CAST. “Russian weapons are tailored for large land wars, these drones can’t be seen on radar and the infrared footprint is close to zero.”

>A person close to Russia’s Defense Ministry said the accusations have largely served to deflect attention away from Russia’s own failure to protect its main Syrian base at Hmeimim.

>Unlike U.S. forces, which cleared out insurgent groups block by block in Iraq, Russian troops have usually carpet-bombed areas where suspected enemy groups took refuge. The tactic lowers vulnerability to insurgent violence but has left the military largely untrained in dealing with unconventional warfare.

>authorities believed Ahrar al-Sham, an Islamist rebel group, could be responsible for the attacks, though the group has denied it.

>No one has claimed responsibility for the recent attacks. Many Syrian rebel groups have drones in their small and rudimentary arsenals but have used them mostly for surveillance or dropping small bombs.

>Earlier this month, the day after a drone attack that targeted both bases, a relatively unknown group calling itself the Free Alawite Movement issued an online warning to both the Alawite minority community—to which Mr. Assad belongs—and to Russia.

Just a garbage dump of complete ass-pulled bullshit, all over again.
>> No. 117842 ID: 278cbe
  https://en.mehrnews.com/news/131620/Terrorist-s-modern-European-origin-equipment-found

>"During the search at the site of the fight with terrorists, the Syrian forces found modern radio-electronic equipment manufactured in Europe, ammunition for light weapons and Daesh literature," the statement issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense said.

>The US established a military base near the town of al-Tanf on the Syria-Iraq border back in April 2017, citing the need to carry out operations against Daesh.
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