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117992 No. 117992 ID: 44e2a0
cheki breki if you even think Russia did this you're a racist, fascist bigot who must be banned from opchan!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43323847

>A nerve agent was used to try to murder a former Russian spy and his daughter, police have said.

>Sergei and Yulia Skripal were found unconscious in Salisbury on Sunday afternoon and remain critically ill.

>A police officer who was the first to attend the scene is now in a serious condition in hospital, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said.

>Mr Rowley, head of Counter Terrorism Policing, said government scientists had identified the agent used, but would not make that information public at this stage.

>"This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder, by administration of a nerve agent," he said.

>"Having established that a nerve agent is the cause of the symptoms... I can also confirm that we believe that the two people who became unwell were targeted specifically."

>He said there was no evidence of a widespread health risk to the public.

>Two other police officers who attended the scene were treated in hospital for minor symptoms, before they were given the all clear. It is understood their symptoms included itchy eyes and wheezing.
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>> No. 118029 ID: 278cbe
  >>118028
>“highly likely”
>she said that the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, had summoned the Russian ambassador to Whitehall and demanded an explanation by the end of Tuesday
I can only imagine amount of (implied) sarcasm said ambassador expressed in response on such accusations of "highly likely" involvement.

>“Either this was a direct act by the Russian state against our country. Or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others.”
"Obviously the Russian nerve gas can only work in the hands of special invisible and untraceable Russian agents of Putin. Or it can only be produced from molecules supplied directly from Russia."

>YOU BETTER DO WHAT RUSSIA WANTS
>Also the US withdrew from the ABM treaty because Russia hadn't been complying with it.
Oh yes, "it isn't my fault, it's your fault" and other "dindu" accusations - classic US response to anything. But you see, Russia did not leave the ABM Treaty. Russia did not violate it's signed treaties. Russia did not prevent US from monitoring it's arsenals within those treaties. Russia did not place it's missiles into other countries. Russia doesn't threaten countries with complete obliteration. And so on, and so forth.

Personally, I do not worry at all - the more mistakes the US makes and more delusional it is, the easier it will be to counter it's maniacal tendencies. At least as long as there's nuclear arsenal to contain it.

https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/armaments/nuclear-weapons/1735-u-s-undermining-the-global-nuclear-testing-taboo

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/contradictions-hypocrisy-absurdities-americas-nuclear-strategy/
>> No. 118030 ID: 2cea7e
If the SAS was to raid the Russian embassy in London tomorrow, it's absolutely doubtless they would find bioweapons primed and ready to go.

>>118029
>Russia doesn't threaten countries with complete obliteration.

Go fucking hang yourself Ivan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43239331

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>> No. 118031 ID: 278cbe
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>>118030
Contrary to opinion of of some public idiots, MAD isn't a concept about threatening and madness, it is a formal agreement that roughly states "you do not attack and we would not attack back", which holds the exactly opposite purpose and a message of peaceful intentions through overwhelming firepower.

Reassuring the existence of MAD in the presence of such power-hungry and life-threatening power as US is a necessary measure to preserve world peace, because it is absolutely certain that the moment US will be presented with possibility to conduct unlimited strike without retaliation, it will unload all of it's nuclear and non-nuclear arsenals without any second thought. Exactly as it did during WW2.
>> No. 118033 ID: 278cbe
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https://www.ft.com/content/3279098a-26a1-11e8-b27e-cc62a39d57a0

>Mr Tillerson told reporters on Monday night that it would be “almost beyond comprehension” for a state to be behind the attack with what the UK says is a military-grade nerve agent from a family of chemical weapons called Novichok. The top US diplomat said he had spoken to Boris Johnson, the UK foreign secretary, adding that the US would put out a statement to support the British findings.

Mr. Tillerson, there's nothing to understand. At this point Britain is actually a Nazi Germany in 1939 - it poisons people with chemical weapons and uses the incidents as an excuse to attack other countries.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sergei-skripal-attack-salisbury-poison-novichok-is-so-secret-it-has-never-been-detected-before-60vqgjxnx

>Sergei Skripal attack: Salisbury poison novichok is so secret, it has never been detected before

Buuuut for some reason Britan is already aware what type of weapon it is and where it did come from.

>It was identified at Porton Down, the government laboratory near Salisbury with world-class expertise in chemical warfare. Scientists believe that it could only have been produced at a Russian state facility

Oh wait.

>Salisbury

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/the-secretive-uk-army-lab-where-poisons-are-hunted-and-made-10037938

>The secretive UK army lab where poisons are hunted and made
>The Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - its official name - employs 3,000 scientists across a sprawling rural site and has an annual budget of £500 million (US$695 million).

It just happened so that said incident happened near world-class Defence Laboratory, which is capable of producing and studying of chemical weapons. Absolute coincidence. Nobody should have suspected anything.
>> No. 118035 ID: 3e82bd
FWIW a team of Iranian researchers did a spectrographic analysis of five Novichok agents back in 2016. So the information to identify the agent is publicly available.
>> No. 118036 ID: 278cbe
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home

>A Russian exile who was close friends with the late oligarch Boris Berezovsky has been found dead in his London home, according to friends.

>He noted that a large number of Russian exiles, including Berezovsky, and Berezovsky’s close friend Alexander Litvinenko, had died under mysterious circumstances. “Boris was strangled. Either he did it himself or with the help of someone. [But] I don’t believe it was suicide,” Glushkov said.

>“Too many deaths [of Russian emigres] have been happening.”

It keeps happening!
>> No. 118037 ID: 729e6f
PURE AND INNOCENT RUSSIA! NO COLLUSION!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-ousts-tillerson-will-replace-him-as-secretary-of-state-with-cia-chief-pompeo/2018/03/13/30f34eea-26ba-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html

British government finally launches investigation into decades of assassinations by Russian government, it only took a chemical weapons attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/amber-rudd-orders-inquiry-into-russia-linked-deaths-in-uk
>> No. 118041 ID: 8e801a
hopefully putin finishes what stalin started and wipes the russians out entirely. people complained endlessly about the russians and then when pekka putin tries to do something about the issue people bitch about that too
>> No. 118042 ID: 278cbe
  https://www.ft.com/content/209f44bc-2788-11e8-b27e-cc62a39d57a0
>And there were only two plausible explanations.
>Either this was a direct act by the Russian State against our country.
>Or conceivably, the Russian government could have lost control of a military-grade nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others.
>Mr Speaker, it was right to offer Russia the opportunity to provide an explanation.
>They have provided no credible explanation that could suggest they lost control of their nerve agent.
I think there was pretty clear response that Russia does not give a single fuck about Britain's fabricated "explanations". Britain is always free to do whatever the fuck it wants without any explanations whatsoever, because, whatever it does, will be met with appropriate response.

>Many Russians have made this country their home, abide by our laws and make an important contribution to our country which we must continue to welcome.
>But to those who seek to do us harm, my message is simple: you are not welcome here.
It's OK, it seems they would get the message, you may stop killing them already.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-snubs-deadline-amid-spy-spat-setting-stage-for-u-k-response-1521026389
>U.K. to Expel 23 Russian Diplomats Over Poisoning of Ex-Spy
Uh-oh, somebody is going to get catapulted out of Moscow pretty soon.

>>118041
>hopefully putin finishes what stalin started
That's right, you are going to be sent to GULAG.
>> No. 118043 ID: 104512
>>118042
>"nigger of europe" furious at being punished for their crimes
>> No. 118054 ID: 278cbe
  23 diplomats are catapulted out of Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-to-expel-23-british-diplomats-and-close-consulate-in-escalating-row-over-poisoned-ex-spy/2018/03/17/db431216-29c8-11e8-874b-d517e912f125_story.html?utm_term
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>Russia will expel 23 British diplomats and close the British Consulate in St. Petersburg in as part of its response to London’s decision to expel Russian diplomats in an escalating row over the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter in Britain earlier this month.

Britain is being butthurt about people demanding any explanations of it's actions.
Reminder: possession and exploitation of chemical weapons is a violation of international norms.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43405686

>UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson urged Russia to "go away" and "shut up" as he unveiled plans for a new chemical weapons "defence centre".
>defence centre

Now fucking explain me how do you defend with chemical weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/15/uks-claims-questioned-doubts-emerge-about-source-of-salisburys-novichok

>It was a historic moment largely ignored at the time by most of the world’s media and might have remained so but for the attack in Salisbury. At a ceremony last November at the headquarters of the world body responsible for the elimination of chemical weapons in The Hague, a plaque was unveiled to commemorate the destruction of the last of Russia’s stockpiles.

>The UK government case rests not just on its argument that novichok was developed in Russia, but what it says is past form, a record of Russian state-sponsored assassination of former spies.

I can anticipate Britain going absolutely ballistic over the ongoing loss of last UK-supported "moderate terrorists" in Syria, and simultaneously getting fried over complete disruption of international order, relations and communications, especially for such UN-related organization like OPCW.
>> No. 118063 ID: 278cbe
  https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/690430/russia-spy-britain-behind-attack-sergei-skripal-daughter-salisbury-news

>"It is no secret to anyone that the UK’s closest partner is the only state officially keeping the largest arsenals of chemical weapons in the world," he said.

>Moscow deems the the Salisbury attack as an act of terror on a Russian citizen, he said.

That's right, everybody forgot to mention that even though the UK spy was under attack, Russian citizen had also suffered from it.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/what-porton-down-9-questions-1359636

By the way, there's a big suspicion that UK and US are now testing and developing new generation of chemical weapons, since they are falling behind in many other "defensive" technologies like hypersonic missiles and nuclear weapons. Covering it all up with "chemical weapons use" seemed to be a great idea beforehand, but apparently with this case UK went overboard. Now it is even highly unlikely they will be able to accuse Syria of another "use of chemical weapons" to somehow save the their Ghouta "rebels".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43431537

>The Novichoks - those thought to have been used against the Skripals - were never declared to the OPCW, and the chemicals never formed part of any control regime partly because of uncertainty about their chemical structures.

>And specific names are crucial, because the CWC allows countries to legally possess a wide range of chemicals if they are identifiable.

So, wait a second, so these chemicals did not even make to the list of chemical weapons proper, why would UK then promote this toxic substance as "chemical weapon". The answer is kind of trivial - because it was most suitable substance. Like meldonium.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43377698

>Moscow has denied any involvement in the Skripals' poisoning and demanded proof.

>Its foreign ministry insists there has never been any research conducted on Russian soil "that would bear the direct or even code name of Novichok".

>The word Novichok, said spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, was an invention of the West when a number of ex-Soviet scientists moved there in the 1990s "taking with them the technologies they were working on".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-novichok-creator/soviet-era-scientist-says-he-helped-create-poison-in-uk-spy-attack-row-idUSKBN1GW1E1

>Rink told RIA he had worked at a Soviet chemicals weapons research facility in the town of Shikhany in Russia’s Saratov Region for 27 years until the early 1990s. Novichok was not a single substance, he said, but a system of using chemical weapons and had been called ‘Novichok-5’ by the Soviet Union.

>“A big group of specialists in Shikhany and in Moscow worked on Novichok – on the technologies, toxicologies and biochemistry,” he said. “In the end we achieved very good results.”
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>>118063
>it's not a chemical weapon attack because Russia never declared what the Novichok agents were made out of to the OPCW and kept them secret! in fact Russia has never produced chemical weapons in the entire history of the world!
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>>118066
>never declared what the Novichok agents were made out of to the OPCW and kept them secret
Shills gonna shill.

https://off-guardian.org/2018/03/15/the-farcical-reality-behind-theresa-mays-novichok-story/

>Incredible as it may seem given the tale of certitude told by May in Parliament, and given the column inches used up in the media assuring the UK public how terrifyingly toxic “novichok” really is, the evidence for this alleged super-poison’s existence currently rests solely on the unproven claims of a dissident soviet “military chemist” named Vil Mirzayanov.
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obligatory
>> No. 118077 ID: 278cbe
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>>118074
Good news everyone! UK has officially transformed into UKraine. As Ukrainization of the world continues, we are going to watch the situation unfolding.

Meanwhile, in England.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/22/europe/russia-reaction-uk-spy-intl/index.html

>Russian envoy: 'Highly likely' Britain had nerve agent used in spy attack

>Speaking Wednesday, Johnson said he believed the timing of the attack was "probably more closely connected with the recent election in Russia," which was overwhelmingly won by Putin.

Because nothing can boost your election rating and tourist reputation as using chemical weapons on civilized country. That's the UK logic, right here.

>He also insisted there was no desire to "engage in a new Cold War" with Russia. The UK still held out the hand of friendship to the Russian people, he said, "because our quarrel is emphatically not with them. Our quarrel is not with the Russians. It is with Putin's Kremlin."

AYYLMAO. If Russian people are your friends, just for beginning, you better reconsider stripping them of their rights, money and property over "unexplained wealth", you imbecile.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/18/oligarchs-russia-elite-london-british-culture?CMP=twt_gu
>> No. 118079 ID: 61e76a
>>118077
Well I suppose the polls are a consideration in a democracy, Putin doesn't have to worry about such things.

Just how many rubbles is each post here worth Ivan?
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>>118079
>Well I suppose the polls are a consideration in a democracy
"Democracy" by modern definition is when Washington-approved "democrats" win the election. Ever heard the word "consensus"? It is when people do something because other people do the same, not because there's rational reason to do it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5541303/Sergei-Skripal-secret-ex-girlfriend-Salisbury.html

>The pair remain in a critical condition after they were poisoned with the highly lethal nerve agent Novichok as it emerged three children were taken to hospital after taking bread from Mr Skripal to feed ducks in Salisbury.

>After weeks of speculation, a police source has told the Sunday Mirror that the lethal agent was smeared on the door handle of Mr Skripal's BMW.

I suppose the "lethal" agent is supposed to be lethal to the victim, but for some reason investigation is yet to demonstrate this sorta lethality. At least by providing the access to information on condition of Russian citizen - Russia has been demanding it since the beginning.

>But while the mystery of how they were poisoned seems to have been solved, one element of the shocking incident still has police officers baffled.

>It is understood both Sergei and Yulia Skripal's phones were turned off or four hours on the day they were poisoned, according to The Sun.

>It means the GPS tracking would not have been on, meaning police would not be able to pick up their locations using the usual means.

The plot thickens indeed.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/uk-allies-expel-dozens-of-russian-diplomats-over-salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-36745053.html

>The ministry added that the move was also a response to the recent cyber attacks against German government networks, “which according to information so far is highly likely to be attributable to Russian sources.”

#highlylikely

>In Brussels, European Council president Donald Tusk said that 14 member states were expelling diplomats in a co-ordinated show of support for the UK.

Well apparently somebody forgot to mention that EU consists of 28 countries.
>> No. 118085 ID: 61e76a
>>118080
>Washington-approved

As is this is the UK I assume you mean Washington Tine & Wear? What has this got to with a small area on the edge of Newcastle?

>lethal to the victim

"He is not dead cyka, no blyat crime has been committed" - someone wasn't counting on rapid response or mixed an agent up badly. Your man in the KGB botched it.

>Over half the EU kicks out Russian agents.
>EU NOT DOING ANYTHING BECAUSE SOME MEMBERS DID NOTHING YET.

Keep doing that mental gymnastics Ivan.
>> No. 118086 ID: 278cbe
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>>118085
>As is this is the UK I assume you mean Washington Tine & Wear?
>implying England is a country capable of independent action

>someone wasn't counting on rapid response or mixed an agent up badly
OK, how do you "rapid response" to unknown agent never used before anywhere? Do you have any idea how fast nerve agents work? If somebody wasn't counting, it is entire UK government.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/27/manchester-arena-bombing-fire-service-arrived-two-hours-late-says-report

It takes 2 hours for a fire-fighting team to arrive at the location of a terror attack, but a 5 minute response to "chemical attack" in some hicks is out of question. Competence, anyone?

>EU NOT DOING ANYTHING BECAUSE SOME MEMBERS DID NOTHING YET
So, by tremendous exertion of diplomatic power and common sense for several days, UK and US managed to convince some (not all) NATO or EU countries to expel some diplomats, most of them 1 or 2 at a time. I don't really see, how it's supposed to be a coordinated response to "chemical attack"?

Seriously, though, I understand when your government tries to smear this shit all over your face and rub it in, but if you are doing them a favour of performing it yourself, it is just completely nonsensical.
>> No. 118087 ID: cce514
>>118086
>unknown agent never used before anywhere

Are you physically incapable of not telling lies?

http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ezine/1591ca249b2/Iranian-chemists-identify-Russian-chemical-warfare-agents.html
>> No. 118089 ID: 278cbe
  Actually I remembered something closely related to this topic, namely one film with Bruce Willis I watched a very long time ago.

>The Jackal, 1997
>An imprisoned IRA fighter is freed to help stop a brutal, seemingly "faceless" assassin from completing his next job.

A chemical surprisingly similar to nerve gas was used to get rid of what seemed to be a shadow, a band of hijackers who came to investigate the van of the main antagonist. He notices that the van was "repainted" with special technique, but makes a mistake to approach it and touch the handle (already smeared with contact poison) in attempt to look inside. Then the poison kills him very quickly, although usually it takes several minutes to take effect.

Pretty minor episode, minute 4 on the video related.

>>118087
>Iranian chemists identify Russian chemical warfare agents
Skip to NavigationEzine
>Published: Jan 1, 2017
So, they identified it one year prior incident?

Good, good, you know, it's been a pretty new and popular tactic to investigate incidents in backward order. First they identify the perpetrator, then they find the clues leading to the accusation, and after that they demonstrate evidence, severely redacted to fit the clues. The last part, though can be stretched in time indefinitely, or omitted entirely, of course.
>> No. 118090 ID: 9ced63
>>118089
>those fiendish Iranians are out to get Russia by identifying Russian chemical weapons and sending the information to anti-proliferation organizations!
>> No. 118091 ID: 278cbe
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>>118090
>“Either this was a direct act by the Russian state against our country. Or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others.”
>The Iranian researchers synthesised five ‘Novichok’ agents, along with four deuterated analogues.
Jumping-on-rakes 101.
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>>118091
So you're saying Iran, a country with no chemical weapons program, tried to assassinate a former Russian spy in the UK to harm a country Iran is allied with?
>> No. 118098 ID: 61e76a
>>118093
patiently awaiting FSB sanctioned response.
>> No. 118101 ID: 278cbe
>>118093
I thought, you were saying.

Meanwhile Kommersant news published the "presentation" that was, as it claims, given to EU and NATO countries diplomats to convince them and support UK with expelling diplomats. While there's nothing new presented, many people noted it's complexity and attention to detail, which is slightly above average "What I did this summer" essay.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/28/these-are-the-presentation-slides-that-convinced-european-countries-to-expel-its-diplomats

http://tass.com/world/996528

>According to the minister, Vienna’s refusal to expel Russian diplomats is not linked to possible Moscow’s countermeasures. Austria’s decision showed a principled position, which very rarely uses the tool of expelling diplomats, she said. "Especially during critical moments, channels should remain open," Kneissl stressed, noting that the US move to sever ties with Iran in 1980 did not yield any good result. "It hurts both sides," she stressed.

>The Austrian foreign minister said the UK and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) had not provided 100% of evidence of Russia’s complicity in the Skripal case. Therefore, Austria would refuse to expel Russian diplomats
>> No. 118102 ID: 61e76a
>>118101
>Euronews
>Tass

Sanctioned media outlets again eh Boris?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/18/journalists-unions-accuse-eu-backed-euronews-pandering-oppressive/

Also:

Useful to this thread:

http://www.ecfr.eu/publications/summary/crimintern_how_the_kremlin_uses_russias_criminal_networks_in_europe
>> No. 118103 ID: 278cbe
  >>118102
>Sanctioned media outlets
Laughable excuses.
>> No. 118104 ID: 278cbe
Obviously only US-sanctioned actions are allowed. Pay money to them, or else.

http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/376824-russias-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-would-be-a-boon-to-americas

>In fact, trying to kill the project will hand Russia’s spinmeisters the opportunity to paint the U.S. as “stuck in the Cold War” and give Germany and the other pipeline supporters a unifying project with the potential political upside of making the Trump administration retreat.

>The U.S. has legitimate beefs with Russia over human rights, freedom of the press, its actions in eastern Ukraine and in Syria, and Moscow’s participation in North Korea’s fuel smuggling scheme. Why dilute that focus by opposing a “close to home” project so important to key players in Europe?

>Sanctioning our allies for trying to diversify their energy supplies by cooperating with Russia will confirm concerns that the U.S. is using sanctions to clear the way for exports of more expensive U.S. liquified natural gas to the Continent. Why should Europe pay a premium for energy to satisfy a U.S. policy preference?
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The story deepens not any more. It is in it's usual track.

https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387

>"We have not identified the precise source, but we have provided the scientific info to Government who have then used a number of other sources to piece together the conclusions you have come to."

>Mr Aitkenhead added: "It is our job to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is, we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured."

Boris! Hey, Boris! I thought you said there are the experts who identified the source of the chemical, where are they? Oh there they are.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/uk-locates-source-of-salisbury-nerve-agent-nx8p39kqv
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sergei-skripal-poisoning-britain-believes-it-has-found-russian-lab-that-made-nerve-agent-salisbury/

>British security forces believe they have found the Russian lab that made the nerve agent novichok, which was used in the attack on ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury on March 4, the Times of London reported Wednesday. Security sources told the London newspaper that while they are not 100 percent certain, they have a "high degree of confidence in the location."
>high degree of confidence
>overwhelmingly likely

But where it is? Where's the secret lab located? Apparently it is so secret that nobody can even reliably tell. It is enough to say it is in Russia.

>Britain is standing by its assessment, but the Foreign Office on Wednesday deleted a tweet from last month saying Porton Down scientists had identified the substance as "made in Russia."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/russia-nerve-agent-attack-uk-sergei-skripal-west-diplomats-poisoning-uk-a8288661.html

>Whether we can prove Moscow’s involvement in the Skripal case or not is irrelevant

That's ... liberating, so to say.
>> No. 118122 ID: 6e9258
Oh the jolly adventures of Russian spies in Britain, how many spectacular details appeared as of later.

1. A magical recovery.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/692062/sergei-skripal-niece-bbc-yulia-russia-spy-condition-news-poisoning-attack
>Out of 99% I have maybe 1% of hope,” Victoria said on Tuesday, three weeks after the attack.
>“Whatever it was has given them a very small chance of survival.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sergei-skripal-yulia-poisoning-russia-nerve-agent-latest-salisbury-novichok-porton-down-a8292896.html
>Despite the head of Porton Down, the military research centre, saying there is no known antidote to the military grade novichok, which Theresa May’s government has said was used in the attempted murders, both now appear to be out of danger.

2. On the matter of relatives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/yulia-skripal-russia-britain.html
>A 45-year-old Russian accountant and relative of the two Russians poisoned in a nerve agent attack in Britain last month said in an interview late Thursday that she was “scared” for them, calling the British authorities untrustworthy and casting doubt on their version of events.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/viktoria-skripal-uk-visa-denied-home-office-sergei-salisbury-visit-hospital-yulia-a8292481.html
>The cousin of poisoned Yulia Skipral has been denied a UK visa to visit her relatives in hospital, the Home Office has confirmed.
Obviously, anyone who doubts the little crumbs of information government and press provided us so far, is a Russian spy and should not be allowed to UK.

3. Poisoned cereal.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5566707/Russian-nerve-agent-spy-poisoned-favourite-breakfast.html
>Was nerve agent spy poisoned by his breakfast? Police quiz daughter's friend who brought £1 bag of cereal from Russia as a gift
First a car hand, then a doorknob, then a fucking food poisoning. Amount of misinformation spread by "official" sources is staggering, it seems like "bodyguard of lies" saying is especially in effect there.

4. About cats (and guinea pigs).
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/06/europe/sergei-skripal-cat-guinea-pigs-dead-intl/index.html
>"When a vet was able to access the property, two guinea pigs had sadly died," the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) said in a statement. "A cat was also found in a distressed state and a decision was taken by a veterinary surgeon to euthanise the animal to alleviate its suffering."
UK just doesn't want to leave unwanted witnesses, are they.

PS. If you fucking think (given that you are able to think) that this can not become any more stupid, I have bad news for you - there's still 3 months left till World Cup and it is plenty of time to do something much more exciting. This event is especially sensitive matter after Olympics has been ransacked to the point of becoming private US enterprise entirely owned by a doping agency.
>> No. 118126 ID: 278cbe
  There's something suspicious between UK, USA, Israel and chemical weapons. Probably they think that it would be good idea to blame their enemies in WMD use and thus earn casus belli to practice their own stocks on them. At least in long view.
>> No. 118127 ID: e5d6aa
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>>118126
>RUSSIA DINDOO!
>> No. 118131 ID: 278cbe
  >>118127
>Merica is a world leader
>but it dindu nuffin
A paradox that awaits to be solved.
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>>118131
If the US was actually a tenth as competent as Russian conspiracy theorists claim we'd have world peace and happiness for everybody, free, and let no one be left behind. But nope, we're the secret masters, supplementing the Jews as Russia's most hated enemy, capable of bending time and space to our will and responsible for all stubbed toes, potato crop failures, curdled milk, and the hexes of witches.
>> No. 118136 ID: 6e9258
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-russias-torrent-of-absurdity-is-soaked-up-by-an-infantile-corbyn-q29dw6qjj
>Boris Johnson: Russia’s torrent of absurdity is soaked up by an ‘infantile’ Corbyn
UK blames Russia for "29 versions" of Skripal case invented in UK and published in UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5593803/RAF-spooks-intercepted-Russian-message-Skripals-posioned.html
>British spies 'intercepted a Russian message saying "the package has been delivered" shortly before Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned in Salisbury'
More shitty spy-movie bullshit.

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/sergei-skripal-yulia-novichok-boutique-nerve-agent-salisbury-attack/
>“This botched double murder attempt was defeated by the brilliance of British scientists and the doctors in Salisbury who, under immense pressure, came up with a bespoke set of treatments to thwart a boutique chemical weapon specifically designed for assassinations,”
Even more shitty spy-movie bullshit.

>>118134
>If the US was actually a tenth as competent as Russian conspiracy theorists claim
Ah, the answer is simple - US is incompetent. If US would be at least tenth as competent as it is required to be a world leader they claim to be, they wouldn't stumble their entire politics over a war in little Middle East country consisting mostly of desert and oil.

>secret masters
There's nothing special about position of US on Russia, it is an open secret. What remains secret is the actual logical connection between actions and observations better known as "proof" and that little supplementary known as "evidence". Both of which remain to be deep state secret every time the new story comes up.

>capable of bending time and space to our will and responsible for all stubbed toes, potato crop failures, curdled milk, and the hexes of witches
Oh well, how long it's been since I last mentioned Rule #1 of US international politics - if somebody found you guilty of something, start blaming them back for that.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0338
>Treasury Designates Russian Oligarchs, Officials, and Entities in Response to Worldwide Malign Activity
Yes, you fucking read this right, "Malign Activity", unspecified.
>> No. 118138 ID: b09dc5
>>118136
Okay so could you actually respond to my post coherently instead of just screeching about conspiracies?
>> No. 118139 ID: 278cbe
>>118138
>conspiracies
You keep using that word.
>> No. 118140 ID: ef2885
>>118139
cool dog-whistles Ivan.
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More and more senseless bullshit is coming up from UK as they try to hide the evidence of their violations of human rights and a common sense.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/13/russia-hacked-yulia-skripals-emails-five-years-tested-novichok/
>Cyber specialists from the GRU - Moscow's Main Intelligence Directorate - targeted email accounts belonging to Miss Skripal as long ago as 2013

How much does it take to finally hack the fucking email then? 10 years maybe?

>Russian agents also tested the effectiveness of Novichok nerve agent smeared on door handles as part of a secret chemical weapons programme codenamed Foliant, it has emerged.

I wonder who is inventing all these mysterious designations for UK "investigation".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/13/russia-tested-nerve-agent-on-door-handles-before-skripal-attack-uk-dossier-claims
>Russia had tested whether door handles could be used to deliver nerve agents and had targeted the email accounts of Sergei and Yulia Skripal since at least 2013, according to previously classified intelligence over the Salisbury attack that has been made public.

>He also said: “During the 2000s, Russia commenced a programme to test means of delivering chemical warfare agents and to train personnel from special units in the use of these weapons. This programme subsequently included investigation of ways of delivering nerve agents, including by application to door handles.

I wonder how many door handles suffered the terrible fate at the hands of Russian GRU agents since there was no UK specialists to save them from poisoning.
>> No. 118149 ID: 278cbe
And now for the serious part. It is not easy to filter the ongoing smoke screening of the media, but at least the important messages are not deleted. You can read them if you know where to look. For the time being.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/11/i-dont-need-any-help-from-the-russian-embassy-yulia-skripal
>In the statement published on Wednesday, she said her father remained seriously ill and that she was still suffering from the effects of nerve agent used against them. She also addressed comments made by her cousin Viktoria in the Russian media, asking her not to contact or visit her in the UK.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-skripal/yulia-skripal-declines-russian-help-but-embassy-doubts-statement-idUSKBN1HI30V
>I want to stress that no one speaks for me, or for my father, but ourselves.
"Nothing to see here citizen, go away."

It is highly likely that the "victim of attack" is denied to contact any official or unofficial parties who may hold UK accountable for their actions. It is also highly likely that she is held captive and drugged due to her "medical condition", even after it is officially stated she's recovered.

After all, there's been too many media campaigns to portrait Russia as a country which regularly "violates human rights" that it became common superstition. And yet that doesn't stop anybody from US or UK to violate same rights of the same people they volunteered to "protect" - if it somehow profits them.
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>>118148
>>118149
>ITZ A CONSPIRUHSEE!
>> No. 118153 ID: 278cbe
  >>118151
>RUSSIAN ELECTION CONSPIRACY
>SECRET ASSASSIN OF KREMLIN
>SECRET CHEMICAL WEAPONS
>SECRET RUSSIAN TROLLS
>SECRET THIS SECRET THAT
>WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS TALKING OF CONSPIRACIES THIS IS STUPID
I did not realize this could become such pitiful spectacle.
>> No. 118260 ID: 278cbe
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5648859/Army-trucks-roll-Salisbury-begin-clean-operation-nerve-agent-hot-spots.html

>Soldiers in breathing apparatus are replacing the paving where Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter collapsed after their nerve agent attack.

>A military convoy arrived in Salisbury last year to begin a clean-up operation in the wake of the plot to poison former double agent.

What a bunch of fucking clowns. If you can't see the difference between contaminated and clean areas, you better fucking dismantle the whole city with its population. After all, one can never be too sure about destroying any evidence related their crime.
>> No. 118263 ID: 278cbe
>>118260
>A military convoy arrived in Salisbury last year
>last year
I honestly just gave a double-take to what I copied in this thread from news article. Needless to say I'm impressed, so very much impressed on level of self-awareness of people writing this story.
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http://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/czech-president-says-nerve-agent-novichok-was-produced-in-the-country

>Czech president Miloš Zeman has said the country produced the novichok nerve agent for testing but it was then destroyed.

http://praguemonitor.com/2018/04/27/czech-intelligence-works-out-report-novichok-zeman

>The Czech counter-intelligence service BIS has worked out a report that President Milos Zeman ordered on whether the Novichok nerve agent was developed or stored in the country, BIS spokesman Ladislav Sticha told CTK on Thursday.

Apparently, every other country knows what this "top secret Russian" nerve agent is, how to produce it and store, which isn't surprize by any measure since know-how for it has been openly cited by many sources. What is interesting, though, is that, supposedly, OPCW members are not to produce or store any chemical weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

Actually, it looks like a post-modern type loyalty-securing strategy. If you are siding with Britain or any other major Western power, you are obliged, apparently, to believe everything they say and do everything they want, even if it is nonsensical, suicidal or physically impossible. We're not running short on bullshit anyway, there's always something, any day of the week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/world/europe/opcw-salisbury-novichok-skripal.html

>For research activities or protection you would need, for instance, five to 10 grams or so, but even in Salisbury it looks like they may have used more than that, without knowing the exact quantity, I am told it may be 50, 100 grams or so, which goes beyond research activities for protection

I wonder how it is physically possible to coat a handle with 50 grams of liquid.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/01/no-suspects-yet-in-skripal-nerve-agent-attack-mps-told

>Police and intelligence agencies have failed so far to identify the individual or individuals who carried out the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, the UK’s national security adviser has disclosed.

>Sedwill, who coordinates the work of the MI6, MI5, the surveillance agency GCHQ and others, did not elaborate but among problems that have hampered the agencies is a lack of CCTV coverage in Salisbury compared with London.

It was an invisible hand of FSBKGB.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5688523/Troops-Salisbury-one-Europes-largest-military-exercises.html

>British troops have taken part in one of Europe's largest military exercises with nearly 12,000 personnel from across 17 nations attending Salisbury Plain.

>Exercise Joint Warrior sees forces from around the world gather together to share strategies and take part in different training scenarios.

A peaceful English countryside, with no one the wiser.
>> No. 118323 ID: 98d50c
>>118316
>look mommy i posted it again!
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-chemicalweapons-german/wests-knowledge-of-novichok-came-from-sample-secured-in-1990s-report-idUSKCN1IH2HC

>In a joint report, German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung, the weekly Die Zeit and broadcasters NDR and WDR said Germany’s BND spy agency had secured the sample of the Novichok nerve agent from a Russian scientist.

>The sample was analyzed in Sweden and the chemical formula was given to the German government and military, the report cited sources as saying. Western countries used the information to help develop countermeasures.

On the long list of countries who stole Russian chemical warfare secrets in the past, there's at least two new names now. That, of course, adds to the early claims that there's only one country capable of producing it. As history demonstrates, this is a normal situation for any imperialistic western country - if you give them a chance of reconciliation, they will plunder your technologies and resources, and use them against you.

But wait, what's this? We found the PROOFS! Russia does produce Novichok!

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-businessman-releases-novichok-line-cooking-oil-61227

>“I liked this product very much and couldn’t find it anywhere in stores, so I decided to make it myself,” Yakushev said in a YouTube video posted on Thursday.

>The Novichok oil will be marketed under the motto “products for a long life,” together with a logo bearing KGB insignia.

Certainly, since real Novichok isn't actually a lethal nerve agent, you probably need to consume a lot of it in one sitting to get a minor headache.

Anyway, reading any news connected to the case has been curiously amusing since the beginning, as it reminds me of reading a badly composed fiction novel (with crucial parts of explanation censored out, of course).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/14/novichok-could-russias-terrifying-weapon-war-west/

>The devastating Salisbury nerve agent could be put in missiles or even hand grenades

Congratulations, Britain, you've just rediscovered chemical weapons again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/almost-100-police-have-received-psychological-help-after-salisbury-attack-wiltshire-force

>Almost 100 Wiltshire police officers and staff have sought psychological support after the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, the Guardian can reveal.

>Some reported feeling disorientated and anxious while others were concerned about the possible long-term health effects on the public.

While police officers definitely needed some treatment after being exposed to this amount of cognitive-dissonant information first-handedly and indeed it is important for them to stay operational, same can't be said about the rest of the people - journalists, diplomats, bloggers an ordinary citizens who came in contact with the same toxic fumes.
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http://news.met.police.uk/news/ongoing-investigation-into-incident-in-salisbury-on-4-march-309256

>Meanwhile staff from the national CT network, along with colleagues seconded from five forces including specialists in image identification, have now viewed over 4,000 hours of CCTV footage.

Well, this is pretty funny statistic considering that nobody ever saw the people who did this and the cameras are placed all over the town.

>Timeline of events (all times approximate)

Well, they can at least say they know the events with a precision of 1 meter, 1 second and 1 person. You can just go on Google Street View and observe how thoroughly the city is recorded for everybody's convenience.

Location filmed at >>118260.
https://www.google.ru/maps/@51.0697418,-1.7976044,3a,83.9y,283.6h,91.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT8FGyLEtAv3kPvlQwD_tdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Well, camera spotting is one of my secondary habits when I stop by somewhere. Look to the pole on the left, there's CCTV sign. Then look across the bridge. Then go through the tunnel in the building and look at the ceiling. Then watch to the left at the exit. These cameras seem to be brand new - if you compare the shots from June 2017 and September, they are replaced from old box-like versions.
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