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118141 No. 118141 ID: f91983
…Iron man Mattis halts deliveries. Nice to know that at least one person has their eye on the bottom line. Didn't the president promise to get rid of the thing completely?


The Defense Department has reportedly stopped accepting F-35 jets from Lockheed Martin because of a dispute over who would be responsible for covering the costs to fix a production error found in more than 200 of them.

“Production on the F-35 program continues and we are confident we will meet our delivery target of 91 aircraft for 2018. While all work in our factories remains active, the F-35 Joint Program Office has temporarily suspended accepting aircraft until we reach an agreement on a contractual issue and we expect this to be resolved soon,” a Lockheed spokeswoman told Reuters.

Fixing the jets won’t be simple because it could require technicians to travel to stations around the world, anonymous sources told Reuters.

It isn’t clear when the suspension began, but the Pentagon allegedly received two jets despite the suspension.

This isn’t the first time technical errors have disrupted the Pentagon’s most expensive weapons program.

The Defense Department stopped accepting the jets for 30 days last year after it found an error with them.

After a fix was engineered, the deliveries continued and Lockheed met its 2017 delivery targets.
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>> No. 118142 ID: 738b31
remember when america built the best stuff? Those were good times.

Really, does anyone outside of people getting kick backs for the F-35 like this aircraft?
>> No. 118174 ID: 61e76a
Welcome to defence procurement kiddo.
>> No. 118180 ID: 924bee
as expected.

Meanwhile, Boeing has alaways been the Master Race of aircraft manufacturers.
>> No. 118182 ID: 41441c
Boeing inherited their fighter designs from McDonnell Douglass and stays in business from selling tubeliners. They haven't designed a fighter in-house since before WWII, with the exception of the pathetic X-32.
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Aww, but it looks so happy.
>> No. 118184 ID: 2e5709
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>> No. 118185 ID: 95b638
The fuck? How is the X-32 'pathetic'? Ugly, sure, but so was the A-10, and the Army wound up loving it (Airforce not withstanding, because it was still ugly).

Boeing's X-32 probably would have cost the JSF program a LOT less than the current bill Lockheed has managed to ring up.
>> No. 118186 ID: 09c7e0
both situations would have resulted in a "too big to fail" corporate ripoff.
>> No. 118187 ID: 09c7e0
also the patuxet river aviation museum, which houses the x-32, it really worth visiting. i touched it and nobody said anything.
>> No. 118188 ID: 61c5ef
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Shrapnel from a blown jet engine crashed through a window of a Southwest Airlines flight and caused such a perilous drop in air pressure that a passenger suffered fatal injuries after nearly being sucked outside.
Passengers recall a harrowing scene where desperate crew members and others tried to plug the broken window, while also trying to save the mortally wounded woman, identified as a bank executive and mother of two.

The battered jet eventually made an emergency landing in Philadelphia and all other passengers made it off without serious injuries. But not before everyone on board used oxygen masks that dropped from the ceiling and many said their prayers and braced for impact.

“I just remember holding my husband’s hand, and we just prayed and prayed and prayed,” said passenger Amanda Bourman, of New York. “And the thoughts that were going through my head of course were about my daughters, just wanting to see them again and give them a big hug so they wouldn’t grow up without parents.”

Dallas-bound Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 out of New York had 144 passengers and a crew of five onboard, Southwest said in a statement. The plane was met on the tarmac by a phalanx of emergency vehicles that quickly sprayed the area with safety foam and aided the injured.

Jennifer Riordan of Albuquerque, N.M., was identified late Tuesday as the victim who died.

Riordan, a vice president of community relations for Wells Fargo bank and graduate of the University of New Mexico, was the first passenger death on a U.S. airline since 2009— and the first ever in Southwest Airlines' history.

New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez called Riordan “an incredible woman who put her family and community first” and said her loss would be felt across the state.

“The hearts of all New Mexicans are with the Riordan family,” Martinez, a Republican, said in a statement on Tuesday.

Passengers on board described chaos as the decompression led to Riordan being partially sucked out of the plane. They rushed to try and pull her back inside but her injuries were too grave.

Seven others were injured in the incident. Tracking data from FlightAware.com showed Flight 1380 was heading west over Pennsylvania at about 32,200 feet and traveling 500 mph when it abruptly turned toward Philadelphia.

National Transportation Safety Board Chairman Robert Sumwalt told reporters at a late-night briefing that he is "very concerned" about metal fatigue in several of Flight 1380's jet engines, particularly in the fan blades. He said a piece of one of the jet engines was found about 70 miles north of the Philadelphia airport.

Bourman was asleep on the plane when she heard a sudden noise and the oxygen masks dropped.

“Everybody was crying and upset,” she said. "You had a few passengers that were very strong, and they kept yelling to people, you know, ‘It’s OK! We’re going to do this!’”

Another passenger, Marty Martinez, posted a brief Facebook Live video showing him donning his oxygen mask. "Something is wrong with our plane!," he wrote. "It appears we are going down! Emergency landing!! Southwest flight from NYC to Dallas!!"

Southwest said the Boeing 737-700 left New York's LaGuardia Airport shortly after 10:30 a.m. ET, bound for Dallas Love Field. The airport said the plane had landed "safely" and that passengers were being brought into the terminal.
>> No. 118189 ID: 41441c
The X-32 couldn't meet the Navy's maneuverability and payload requirements. All three versions would have had different wing designs while the F-35A and B share wings.
The X-32 couldn't do vertical lift with the same engine the X-35 had, they had to remove parts of the airframe to make it light enough.
The X-32 prototype was substantially different from what would have been produced, the X-35 was not.
And even scaled up as much as the X-35 was to the F-35, it was smaller to the point where it would have had about the same range as the AV-8B, while the F-35A and C have about same range as a F-14 with external tanks.

Also we consider political aspects:
Northrop Grumman had been embroiled in a number of fraud cases relating to the B-2 in the late 80s, and gave a senator's wife the clap via male escorts in a attempt to get support for the YF-23. Right around the time the JSF program was starting tests they got hit with another case where they'd been overcharging something like $100 million dollars for every B-2.

Boeing was suing the US government in a inherited lawsuit over the cancellation of the McD A-12 Avenger II that continued until 2014, which had been killed in 1990 by Dick Cheney because "no one could tell me how much the program was going to cost, even just through the full scale development phase, or when it would be available. And data that had been presented at one point a few months ago turned out to be invalid and inaccurate." Also at the same time POGO was flipping it's shit about cost overruns on the Super Hornet as I recall, also canted pylons lol.

Meanwhile, Lockheed had delivered the YF-22 without giving a politician's wife the clap and had won the ATF program.

So pretend you're on the selection committee back then. Boeing is insisting that if you just give them another chance they'll fix the problems with the X-32 and the next prototypes will be great, honest, while Lockheed has pretty much done fine and has delivered prototypes that meet requirements and are pretty much the same as what they want to make.

It's a "grass is greener" situation promoted by clickbait sites like Jalopnik. But the reality is that no matter which one won, both jets would have still had a anchor tied around their legs because those dopes in Washington let the Marines get involved with the program. Pretty much all the compromises have been because the jarheads think they're gonna be flying 5th generation fighters off of dirt runways and soccer stadiums, and Washington was unwilling to let the F-35B have it's own special snowflake requirements because, I shit you not, they didn't want to be seen as giving the Marines "worse" gear.

(I'll let you off on the A-10 fanboyism for now BTW.)
>> No. 118208 ID: 09c7e0
thats a very level headed summary of about 30 years of fighter aircraft development, thanks for posting even it was just pasta.
i'd lake to add that boeing got into the X-32 game mainly to get government freemoney to help develop the composite materials they were planning to use to make the 787 more lightweight. boeing got what they wanted out of the X-32/X-35 competition, the boeing entry was never seriously intended to develop to a fighter aircraft, but to make it look like they were working towards that end enough to get the composites development money for free. the government got to keep lockheed's feet to the fire with a little competition in exchange, it was a good deal all around as the government will eventually collect the X-32 money back in income taxes from boeing and boeing workers who would have otherwise been displaced by overseas aircraft manufacturing.
>> No. 118389 ID: 9315da
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>.The X-32 prototype was substantially different from what would have been produced, the X-35 was not.

Honestly this. They had engine problems during demonstrations as well, leading them to remove the front portion of the air intake in order to demonstrate vertical lift. Pic related.

The whole point of the X-32 and X-35 were to *demonstrate* that they had the basics down. Boeing's demonstrator didn't look like what they were proposing, and it didn't perform well w/o modifications, and that was a giant hit against them.
>> No. 118390 ID: 3f6978
At this point, if anyone at the DoD had balls, they'd tell LockMart to either fix their shit at zero cost to the government or we're going to nationalize the entire program and charge the lot of them with fraud.

Of course, that's assuming this money is actually going to the F-35 project and not being laundered and funneled back out to black-budget fuckery.
>> No. 118393 ID: 649f2c
>that's assuming this money is actually going to the F-35 project and not being laundered and funneled back out to black-budget fuckery.
you whats kind of ridiculous is that the program itself is so enormously large and complex that no one individual will ever know the answer to that question. you'd need to give a large team of people PhDs in aeronautical accounting years just to get an estimate.
>> No. 119129 ID: 793056
Why did we get nucked back to 2018?
>> No. 119132 ID: 157532
because of the spambot that bumps old threads and tries to flood the board.
>> No. 119134 ID: 61e76a
fair one.
>> No. 119361 ID: 7f8555
Americans used to ridicule the Chinese for being too weak to resist tyranny, but now Americans have found out that they are cowards, too.
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