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2774 No. 2774 ID: 0066b5
Here I thought a name like "strip club" would attract attention.

Well we're kicking this strip up a notch, because we're starting with a box.

So what could be inside?
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>> No. 2775 ID: 0066b5
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2775
It's a pretty box, fairly large and heavy.

As we see here, this box is bigger than a Mossberg 590A1, sporting the heavy 20" barrel and ghost ring sights. I could imagine that you could put at least two shotguns in this box. However, this box contains no shotguns.
>> No. 2776 ID: 824045
A Lahti anti-tank gun.
>> No. 2777 ID: 0066b5
>>2776
I wish...
>> No. 2778 ID: 0066b5
Oh, one try per OPERATOR. I want to keep things relatively fair for those of us with varying schedules. Can't have one guy just guess on and on.

I'll check back tomorrow morning.
>> No. 2779 ID: 06ae7b
Since is stripclub I am guessing it's weapon related?
>> No. 2780 ID: 0066b5
>>2779
Yep. This is weapon related.

If it was a fuckhuge dragon dildo I'd be making this thread in /dmz/. I think I'd want a dragon dildo that big, and make a lamp out of it.
>> No. 2781 ID: e68bea
Steyr HS .50.
>> No. 2782 ID: d444df
nothing
>> No. 2783 ID: 885afe
>>2774
The lack of any observable rope handles narrows it down. Yep, talkin out my ass

If it was taller id say an old korean era 75mm rifle.

But Ill just go with a musket.
>> No. 2784 ID: cb8f22
I wonder how I can give a hint without being too obvious.

Do you guys just want to see what's inside?

Timbits are overrated anyway.
>> No. 2785 ID: b16efc
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2785
.58 caliber muzzle loader?
>> No. 2786 ID: cfae21
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2786
an argh pee gee lols
>> No. 2787 ID: 9e5a34
a PKP/PKM
>> No. 2789 ID: 0066b5
Hint.

It has a hook.
>> No. 2790 ID: f23512
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2790
>>2774

I figure at that size it is likely a PTRS/PTRD, but I'm putting my official one guess down as a PTRD-41, as it has a handle which looks pretty "hook-like" >>2789.
>> No. 2791 ID: 0066b5
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2791
>>2790
You win!

I guess it was too obvious...
>> No. 2792 ID: 0066b5
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2792
This is a 1942 made PTRD-41 in 14.5x114 (586/587 bore).


>>2790
So, want a donut hole?

Email in the field.
>> No. 2793 ID: 0066b5
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2793
>>2792
I always find it impressive to see the PTRD dwarf that Mossberg. Usually, the 590A1 is seen as a pretty big gun, but compared to 40ish pounds of Russian "fuck you", it looks comically small.

I think its official weight is 38lbs, but there's like two pounds of fucking packing grease.
>> No. 2794 ID: 0066b5
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2794
The extent of the grease is not to be understated.

Looking down the bore, there was no visible rifling due to cosmoline, and a quarter inch of the bore was flat just because the cosmo had settled at that point. Made it look a little triangular.
>> No. 2795 ID: 0066b5
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2795
I knew the barrel was long so I came with cleaning rods.

Lots of them.

And so the great uncosmolining of our time began.
>> No. 2796 ID: 0066b5
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2796
Grease sloughed off in large lumps, and would permeate brushes to uselessness.
>> No. 2797 ID: 0066b5
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2797
Now it got hard to take pictures during the cleaning at regular intervals, because...

Well...
>> No. 2798 ID: 0066b5
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2798
Another one for the sense of scale.

I mean holy shit.

Oh, as soon as I can (probably this evening), I'll strip the cleaned up bolt for you guys to show you how it comes apart and stuff.
>> No. 2799 ID: 9e5a34
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2799
Very nice, enjoy sir.


>>2795

>And so the great uncosmolining of our time began.

also enjoy.
>> No. 2800 ID: 0066b5
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2800
It was starting to look like a gun after a few hours.

>>2798
Oh, that was also the hook I was talking about.
>> No. 2801 ID: 0066b5
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2801
Even the firing pin is big...
>> No. 2802 ID: 0066b5
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2802
Do excuse the photography. The colors and lighting are wonky, as the sun kept prairie-doggin' it like a cunt behind clouds. Made it hell to get the whites right.

So four hours later, the battlefield looked like this.
>> No. 2803 ID: 0066b5
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2803
Three rolls of paper towels, a half dozen terry cloth rags, a half gallon of varsol, two cans of brake cleaner, two cleaning brushes, two tooth brushes, two bottles of Hoppe's gun oil, six pairs of nitrile gloves, and a sunburn later...

The carnage was complete.

And a tripod leg. Fuck.
>> No. 2804 ID: 0066b5
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2804
More pictures to come, now that it's clean.

I'll thank my bro for his help during The Great Uncosmolining.

Gotta go for now, be back in a bit.
>> No. 2805 ID: f23512
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2805
>>2792
Awesome!
I'm jealous.

As a fellow Canadian, I'll take a pass on the timbit and save you the trouble of mailing one out to NS. I'll get one from the local timmies next time I'm out there.
>> No. 2806 ID: 73c984
>>2792
Holy fucking shit.

War Plan Crimson my friend.
>> No. 2807 ID: cb8f22
>>2806
Still torn between red or crimson.
>> No. 2808 ID: 39887e
Jeeezus, very fookin' nice me friend. I'm mad jelly.
>> No. 2809 ID: 0066b5
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2809
New pictures, and a new name. Gonna try this one out.
>> No. 2810 ID: 0066b5
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2810
As most of you probably know, the action, barrel, trigger group and grip ride as one piece. This entire unit moves back into the stock tube around two and a half inches during recoil; this cams the bolt handle on a ramp, seen here directly behind the bolt handle. Some softer loads don't manage to do this, as the rifle has a good muzzle brake, and because the reciprocating mass is large. The spring is fairly stiff, but can be compressed by putting the rifle muzzle up and pushing down on the barrel.

It's a bit like pushing open a Browning Auto 5.


At first I was surprised to notice that its a cock-on-closing design, like a Lee Enfield, but it makes a lot of sense for a rifle like this; a cocking ramp in the bolt would increase how much force is needed to open it after firing, and that isn't a good thing for a large and higher pressure case that could easily require a good deal of force to extract in normal operation.
>> No. 2811 ID: 0066b5
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2811
The hook-ended firing pin can be pulled to re-cock in case of a poor strike on an especially hard primer, or something.

I'm not sure if it can be pulled and rotated as a safety. I don't think I want to try, as pulling it and rotating it is how you take it apart. I can't say I want to have the bolt disassemble itself whilst still inside the receiver.

Either way, pulling the hook that far back requires a good bit of tugging. Much, much more than a Mosin or a K31.
>> No. 2812 ID: 0066b5
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2812
It's a good thing that there's a nice cheek pad, because that bolt alone has heft. It's heavier than a full sized steel frame pistol, and taking it in the face wouldn't be fun during recoil.

Not a lefty friendly gun. Then again, not many Russian guns were all that ambidextrous.
>> No. 2813 ID: 0066b5
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2813
Empty cases plop right out the bottom.
>> No. 2814 ID: 0066b5
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2814
Taking the bolt out is pretty simple. There's a nice serrated latch on the left side, just press it in and pull the bolt out.
>> No. 2815 ID: 0066b5
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2815
Big gun...
>> No. 2816 ID: 0066b5
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2816
Big rounds.

Here's what a .303 British looks like if its rim butts up against the breech face.
>> No. 2817 ID: 0066b5
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2817
So the bolt is a big block of steel with an extractor, and a firing pin assembly.
>> No. 2818 ID: 0066b5
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2818
Here's the underside, we can see the extractor sitting in its groove (it looks like a dovetail, and it's probably pinned in just to ensure it doesn't walk out).

One thing you'll notice in a lot of these pictures is just how anal they were about things not walking out. Every single screw, nut, and bolt is staked in. Most of the time, they're staked more than once.

There are three bolts that hold the rail in where the grip slides. They're in a single file, all just to hold the rail, and they're staked four times each. Nigga ain't goin' nowhere.

Enough about that, back to the bolt.

The cocking piece is massive. You don't shut this bolt with a limp-wristed nudge; it needs a good shove to push that cock-on-closing spring, and the bolt lugs are tight in the locking lug recesses. There's really no play back-and-forth with that bolt.
>> No. 2819 ID: 0066b5
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2819
Taking it apart is just a matter of pulling on the hook until you clear the bolt body, and rotating it 90 degrees.

The cocking piece retainer has a lug, and the bolt has a groove. Once they clear, the cocking assembly pulls right out.
>> No. 2820 ID: 0066b5
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2820
The firing pin itself has a grooved section, and the firing pin body has a round lug. There's a retaining spacer that stops the firing pin from walking off the firing pin body lug.

Just pull the retaining spacer until you can remove the firing pin from the pin body, and the rest comes apart. There's the spring, and a split tube to keep the spring from kinking. The cocking piece comes off.

Simpler than a lot of bolts. If you can take a K31 bolt apart, you can take this bolt apart when you're piss fucked up drunk in the dark with frozen fingers.
>> No. 2821 ID: 0066b5
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2821
She got a perdy mouth.
>> No. 2822 ID: 0066b5
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2822
The rifling is actually surprisingly great. Practically pristine.
>> No. 2823 ID: 0066b5
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2823
Gonna post a bunch of the rifling and bore pics. They're hard to photograph properly, so I did what I could.
>> No. 2824 ID: 0066b5
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2824
Tried a few things.
>> No. 2825 ID: 0066b5
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2825
The bore is shiny enough to make funky arse reflections off itself.

Like whoa man.
>> No. 2826 ID: 0066b5
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2826
>>2825
There also seems to be a bit of something that hasn't cleaned off completely. I don't think it's rust, it looks more like a bit of cosmoline or old copper fouling that's still coming off; the bore is coated with gun oil as I'm transporting it from one place to another right now, and because the varsol/brake cleaner leaves metal so bare it can rust within minutes when not oiled immediately after.

So that might have something to do with it. The pictures bring that stuff out a bit more, when you do look down the bore with your eyes, it is good rifling.
>> No. 2827 ID: 0066b5
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2827
Long barrel is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
>> No. 2828 ID: 0066b5
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2828
Gratuitous 587 shots.
>> No. 2829 ID: 0066b5
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2829
Rolled the focus closer to the crown over this and the following two pictures.
>> No. 2830 ID: 0066b5
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2830
Dem lands and grooves.
>> No. 2831 ID: 0066b5
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2831
>groovy
>> No. 2832 ID: 0066b5
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2832
With a few more brush passes and patches, I bet it'll look like mirrors fucking everywhere.

That'll have to wait a bit, got a busy week ahead of me.

Also, this thread is long from over. I'm gathering tooling and materials, ordering cerrosafe, and going over the plans for a chamber reamer.

I plan to make my own dies, then turn my own cases, form them in the dies, and turn my own bullets.

Lots more to come.
>> No. 2833 ID: 9ae271
So...stupid question: where did you find one of them? I wouldn't expect your benevolent overlords at the RCMP to allow that sort of firepower to hit the civilian market.
>> No. 2834 ID: f23512
>>2833
That's the kicker I suppose; IIRC, The rifles aren't hard to come by, but good fucking luck finding any ammo.
>> No. 2835 ID: cb8f22
>path
*plan

Fucking phone lol.

>>2805
Oh, where did you get that case and that round? Is there more? Could I purchase anything/all?

>>2833
50 BMG, 55 Boys, 14.5x114, 20mm and such calibers have no restrictions, and as long as the guns they're fired from aren't full-auto, they're in the same class as hunting rifles and shotguns, needing no registration.

Of course, you still need the non-restricted firearm license, but this was legally purchased at a reputable gun store (the collector's source).
>> No. 2836 ID: f23512
>>2835
The case was found by a family member, and then it was passed my way. The "full" round is inert (no charge, used primer), and was purchased in the giftshop of the Bovington Tank Museum (now called "The Tank Museum") when I was living over there. The packaging from the round had a link to the suppliers website, which I think I bookmarked somewhere. Since I'm not prepared to part with the round, I'll try to find the link for you.
>> No. 2837 ID: c3e6b2
I want to know how are you going to transport it to the range. It's almost comically long
>> No. 2838 ID: 63b86b
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2838
>>2836
That would be perfect, thank you.

>>2837
6'7",it's quite comfortably in the "comically long" category.

Still fits in the ol' boat, worth more than it too.
>> No. 2839 ID: f23512
>>2838
I found the website, but I couldn't find a listing for the 14.5x114mm round on it anymore (they do claim to carry 30mm/35mm shells though). Its possible they don't carry it any longer, but just in case I've sent them an email enquiry. It looks like they are operating out of the UK, so I'm not sure how that affects shipping, with inert rounds going international post.
>> No. 2840 ID: 512a77
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2840
>>2835

I still can't believe how cool it is you've got a PTRD.
>> No. 2842 ID: 63b86b
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2842
>>2840
Been walkin' on sunshine since I got my hands on her.
>> No. 2843 ID: b5332d
>>2842
Is the positioning of that barrel intentional or subconscious?
>> No. 2844 ID: 63b86b
>>2843
Its too long to put any other way...
>> No. 2845 ID: 63b86b
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2845
Update:

So I was confused at the lack of bipod and contacted Collector's Source. The nice gentleman at the end of the line expressed his surprise, and said that he'd have to find it or find one, but only when he's returned in the middle of July due to extenuating circumstances.

Looks like I'll get this girl a pair of legs soon enough, because I don't think the muzzle blast would be pleasant in this position.
>> No. 2848 ID: 63b86b
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2848
>get some copper solvent
>squirt in bore
>brush a few times
>take a look
>good coat of solvent in every land and groove, down to the corners
>wait 30 minutes
>brush 20ish times
>run a few patches down
>they're so green they come out almost black
>squirt a bunch of solvent in
>let it sit for an hour
>brush it 50 times
>run a few patches down
>repeat process

It's been four hours of this. They're still coming out almost black. I can still see streaks of copper in the grooves.

It's endless. I think I'll run out of solvent before this thing cleans up.
>> No. 2849 ID: f23512
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2849
>>2848
>seal off one end of barrel
>fill with solvent
>let sit overnight
>pray to The Machine God
>Hello tech-support; have you tried lighting some incense?

In related news, or lack there of, I still haven't gotten an email back yet from that website I mentioned previously. I suspect they have gone defunct.
>> No. 2850 ID: 63b86b
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2850
>>2849
With a 53" barrel (not counting the massive chamber), I'd need about 8oz to fill the barrel. I should be able to plug it right at the neck, and fill to the muzzle with two to three bottles of copper solvent. I wonder what I'll use as a plug. Maybe a wine bottle cork?

I did start mumbling the rites of maintenance, and I seem to have gotten the majority of the copper out. I ran out of solvent, and my brush is no good.

Been wondering if it would be worth it to call the War Museum. Maybe some old guy there might know something about where some old brass might be.

Also, gonna try my hand at turning a solid case, the drilling it straight down from the mouth, and then cutting a shotgun primer pocket. The case capacity won't be much more than the volume of a regular 3.5" shotgun shell, and it could be filled with Trail Boss to send thousand-ish grain cast lead bullets at whatever the fuck they feel like flying.

Cheap, nigh-infinitely reusable.
>> No. 2851 ID: f23512
>>2850
A thought... Would it be possible to turn the base/first ~15-20mm of the cartridge from brass stock, then improvise the rest of the "case" case out of a tube of paper?
I think I saw pictures of something like this at some point for some oddball/wildcat/fuck-huge round, but now I cant seem to find any pictures of it
>> No. 2852 ID: 63b86b
>>2851
Like a giant paper shotshell hull?

I've been thinking about turning the cases in two separate bits. The head independently from the case body, shoulder, and neck. The two halves would then be pressed together, welded, and remachined.

The original plan is to make a reamer and use the reamer to make dies, and form the cases from a straight machined case (like forming a bottleneck caliber from straight-walled brass), but I'm worried about the case collapsing or folding during this process.

I'll have to experiment a little.
>> No. 2853 ID: 697a8d
>>2848
I could never get the 29" barrel of my Mosin Nagant completely clean, and I tried for days. Hell, I doubt they were clean when the Russians finished building them during the war.
>> No. 2854 ID: f23512
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2854
>>2852
>Like a giant paper shotshell hull?

Yes, pretty much. I'm not sure how you would get the shoulder set up correctly, but I guess since its paper it would be pretty forgiving, so long as you left enough space in the rest of the body for it to compress in to. I suppose you would also have to be careful to make sure it fed in and seated correctly.
>> No. 2855 ID: 7188a3
  I loled most heartily at dem filenames. This thread is good and you should feel good.

>>2848
You ever consider rigging an electrical copper removal setup? It's basically reverse electroplating. http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm#Copper

>>2854
It might be better to use brass foil case walls instead of paper in a steel base a la 577/450 Martini-Henry. Vid related. The foil will hold a bullet in place once crimped. Also, WPR, I'd use solder instead of welding. That much heat is sure to anneal the brass right where you want it to be strongest.

If this were me, I'd try make combustible case walls using nitrocellulose with a lathe-turned steel base. Basically, I'd take a chamber cast and use it as a base to make up a mold and plug from silicone or something. Then I'd figure out a way to inject goopy nitrocellulose dissolved in acetone (or whatever other solvent works) into the space between the mold and plug and let it set.

Keep in mind, I have exactly zero experience with plastic injection molding. It might be best to compromise between The Heavy Weapons Guy's and my own idea - simply use coiled paper impregnated with NC lacquer to make a combustible papier mache.
>> No. 2877 ID: 3674f5
Very nice, wish I had a spare $3k to add one to my collection.

>>2850
No idea where in Canada to get any, but 14.5 brass shows up here in the states for $10-20 each, with steel cases being around $10 each. There's also a dozen on gunbroker atm that have been through a KPV, if you have an American friend who'll receive and then reship them to Canada.
You can usually find at least one live 14.5mm shell at most gun shows too, ranging from $25 to about $50 each.

If you do turn your lower capacity case, you'll need to use a .583" reamer for the inside of the neck for good neck tension on the .585" bullets.
I would also recommend casting your chamber for the exact specs, as you will need to turn the case as close to perfect for your chamber as possible in order to allow the shoulder to be pressed tight enough so the minimal neck expansion will seal the chamber.

>>2852
For this kind of forming you'll want to use a series of dies. I'd go with three forming and one full length sizer (four total). That way each of your forming steps will only be reducing the neck by 3.5mm (which is fine since you'll be annealing the brass), before finally running an expander ball through the neck to uniform it during FL sizing. Expensive and time consuming yes, but this should prevent the majority of case deformations during forming and save your money (and time spent turning/reaming the case bodies).

Alternately you can just buy once fired brass cases and convert the primer pockets to use 50bmg primers, which will be significantly cheaper as all you'll need to buy/have made are the FL sizer die and the seating die (just use a 16.5mm 5C collet for crimping).

CH4D does make a die set for 14.5x114, although it is a 2" die made for their rock crusher press or similar home made presses.
>> No. 2878 ID: 63b86b
>>2877
Yeah, I'm waiting on Cerrosafe to get exact chamber sizes.

Yeah, the reduced capacity cases aren't gonna give me much trouble, and I'll probably just primer pocket them for 209s since it won't be cooking too hot with trail boss under a cast lead bullet. Those cases will really be for cheap pew pew plinking.

I'll be cutting my own reamer out of an HSS JT5 taper. I have a JT4 taper that I'll probably use to make a "roughing reamer". Those reamers will be used to make my reloading dies.

What about forming cases turned from stainless steel? I hear 416 is used for custom big cases, ATRS mentioned something about how they subcontracted some for a guy up here with a 20mm. Do I need four dies to form the neck like that too? For those neck/shoulder forming dies, I'm thinking of just turning them with a boring bar in two pieces, so I can go down in steps without having to make four reamers. I have access to hydraulic presses, so power isn't an issue; there's a gazillion ton one at work, we use it to press-fit foot wide cylinders with shafts that are like +0.004" over, we don't even chill/heat.

Been looking for any kind of brass, there doesn't seem to be any in Canada. Getting a murricabro to ship it up is probably the only way for that stuff. I'd probably buy brass and steel cases, see what works out best.

I'm also having a bit of a hard time finding info on what powders to use for a standard load... It's not exactly in my reloading manuals.
>> No. 2879 ID: 63b86b
>>2878
Wait, I'm stupid.

I don't even need a reamer if my plan for two-part dies works. I'll draw up a few things...
>> No. 2883 ID: 3674f5
>>2878
You can make your reamers easier, cheaper and more precisely from drill rod via this method: http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/downloads/files/-Reamers.pdf or the method in James V. Howe's Modern Gunsmith (a 2 book set by a master machinist and gunsmith).

Stainless would form faster but require that hydraulic press from work (yay for "government jobs"). It would probably need only two dies (a halfway and your final full length sizer), as steel becomes softer as it is worked, unlike brass and copper which become harder. I know a couple places here in the US make stainless 20mm Lathi cases to feed the DD crowd.

You might also consider making just a neck sizing die, as since your gun is a bolt gun, full length sizing (and further stressing the cases) would only be required every so many loadings, while neck sizing would improve the chamber seal and reduce wear.

Since you're going to be making reamers, you might also look into making a set of swaging dies to form jackets from 1/2" copper tubing and fill them with wheel weight or pig lead, unless you want to just use lathe turned bullets for everything.

Brass cases are worth the extra money. My experience reloading steel cases has been at best 3 loadings before the necks split simply due to the poor quality of steel used for cases in former warsaw pact plants.

>>2879
Powder wise I'd start with something like H50BMG or a surplus 50cal powder. In the US you can sometimes get surplus 20mm powder, which I would also suggest as your case capacity is closer to 20mm than to 50bmg. As for starting loads, while Quickload will come up with numbers for it, I would still approach these with caution as the loading for H50BMG starts over the max load for 50bmg with an 800gr bullet (so the 14.5 is already using a 25% heavier bullet on top of a 40% heavier powder charge).

Quickload generated "starting" loads with a 994gr bullet (extreme caution/be careful/hold my beer and watch this/etc): 315gr H50BMG; 298gr H5010; 313gr H870; or 305gr AA 870.
>> No. 2886 ID: 63b86b
>>2883
>drill rod
I don't have access to that over 1" in diameter, but my boss has broken drills around 2" in diameter and he's pretty much giving me the tapers. My reamer materials don't really cost me much.

That also looks like a simple reamer design, I was going to cut flutes in it and everything with an indexer.

However that should all be moot, as I'm designing two-part dies; they will look like a bullet mold, but the "second half" is the shoulder and neck area, that can be swapped out with the subsequent sizing. I can do all that with boring bars, since I don't have to work with an inside bore 5" long that goes to 0.587"; a half-inch diameter boring bar 5" long wouldn't cut much. With the two-part dies, I can cut the case body from the head, down to the neck, with a carbide boring bar from the wide end in. For the shoulders and neck, I can cut them the same way with a smaller boring bar, from the shoulder to the neck. I can prep the material first without too much trouble with pre-holes and dowel index holes, I've done that before, that part should be peachy.

>neck sizing
That's the plan after the first fire, even if I'll be making them as close to chamber size as possible.

>swaged bullets
Yesss.

>surplus 20mm powder in the US
So that means I have more chances of seeing a gold-dipped CWO-5 orbiting Jupiter than ever sniffing a waft of that powder, carried along the breeze from the US to here. Because ITAR would block somehow.

"23 round per pound"
>I asked for this

Also, I am jelly of your quickload, can you post the data or something?
>> No. 2887 ID: 63b86b
>>2883
>>2886
>H-50

Works out to a little less than a buck and a half in powder per round. 50BMG Primers are apparently around 75 cents each.

Excluding the cases (the price of those is yet to be seen, as I'm not sure how much the stock material will cost me yet), and the bullets (same deal), looks like the standard load should sit under two and a half to three bucks.

You know, that's not THAT bad. Factory 338 is more than this.
>> No. 2889 ID: 3674f5
>>2886
I'm spoiled by having a nearby steel (and plastics) company.

The reamer you're planning is more along what Howe covers in his book.

The only issue I can think of with this setup (if I'm thinking of the same die setup you are) is that brass -might- end up with some galling due to the seams in the die. Though if you use a good, even coat of oil it and swage it slowly the oil should fill the gap and prevent any issues.

You just need an ameribro to get some of that big powder up to you.

Don't be too jelly, I don't have access to quickload anymore (went to a trade school that had it on the computers for some reason) but I ran the numbers for 14.5 when I did have access to it.

The reason I would be cautious of the quickload numbers is that the PTRD was proofed for less pressure than the modern 52k psi (how much less I do not know). At least a couple people who've fired modern 14.5 loaded for the KPV end up with damaged/blown up PTRDs.
IMHO I would probably start with a 50bmg load and work up (possibly with a lighter turned copper/brass bullet), as even with the smaller 50bmg load in the much larger case, you'd just end up with low pressure and poor velocity, though I'd be very surprised if that much powder produced a squib.

>>2887
Case wise the worst you are looking at is $20 each plus whatever S&H hits you for.

It might also be worth looking into 14.5x114 blanks, as many euro countries used the same cases for live ammo as they did for training blanks, and this could net you a cheaper source of primed cases (after dumping the mystery blank powder).

Thinking about all of this, it seems a cruel fate that all the PTRDs are up in Canada, while all the brass, powder and ammo is down here in the states...
>> No. 2891 ID: 63b86b
>>2889
>galling
I have some extreme pressure grease/lube, I wonder if it would work well. I'm afraid of cases folding and crushing more than galling, to be honest.

>kB'ing PTRD
;_;

I really do want to have some semblance of safety for my lil' rifle... I don't think I want to go too far in the "weak load" territory, because really slow powders in huge cases with a lot of room to spare is a direct road to "why can my buddy see bits of my rifle through the back of my head". I'll have to contact some people, send PMs on CGN, and see if that guy on /k/ with a Boys and a PTRD has handloaded for his. I'm not pulling the trigger until I have all the info out there.

>Thinking about all of this, it seems a cruel fate that all the PTRDs are up in Canada, while all the brass, powder and ammo is down here in the states...
Uhhh man that's like the story of my life forever with everything I ever do, think about, or want, related to guns or not. Just swap out "PTRD", "brass", "powder", "ammo" for pretty much anything and you now have my existence boiled down.
>> No. 2894 ID: 63b86b
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2894
>go get more copper solvent
>about to go home
>remember that I need to eat sometime this week
>go to grocery store
>getting groceries, see wine bottles
>need cork for barrel, wine bottles have corks, I consume alcohol on occasion
>the goals align
>find something with cork that I'm willing to imbibe
>cider in a shampoo-shaped bottle
>why not
>get home
>no bottle opener
>try to bend a bit of wire into one
>it's working!
>top quarter portion of the starts ripping off
>fuck
>wire-bottle-opener is nogo
>grab a 4" long 0.5" diameter carbide endmill
>wrap tissue paper around the flutes
>put on eye protection
>hit bottle neck with shank of endmill
>cracks open
>minimal loss of fluids
>cork in a bottle neck
>put rest of bottle in fridge
>wonder how I'm going to get cork out of neck without obliterating my hands
>look at it
>it's about the size of a reloading press ramrod thing...
>put it on the lee
>ploooop

Success.
>> No. 2895 ID: 3674f5
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>>2894
Huzzah!
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>>2894
Fukken saved.

Also I've been seeing your new name around and have been wondering who the fuck you were. Good to know
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>>2894
Should have use screw and pliers
> move into new house
> bought a nice bottle to enjoy with waifu for New Year eve
> everything still in boxes
> couldn't make an educated guess where the bottle opener is
> but work bench stuff has been unpacked
> engineer mode: ON
> enjoy bubbly wine
>> No. 2914 ID: aa95bd
>>2913
Didn't have any.
>> No. 2915 ID: 7188a3
>>2913
Oh, that's brilliant. Whenever a cork needed popping and no corkscrew was handy, I always ended up just pushing the cork down until it plopped into the drink. I've never had any wine left afterwards in the bottle those times, but I'm sure parafilm would've been sufficient to reseal had I needed to.
>> No. 2939 ID: 2a299b
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2939
So how long should this sit for?

I'm thinking of letting it sit until tomorrow morning.
>> No. 2940 ID: 2a299b
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2940
I still lose my shit at how it just mercilessly dwarfs the toilet.

(There's a vent fan in here, it's why I chose the washroom)
>> No. 2941 ID: 4d0f7d
I know you're intending to make your own dies but if you wanted just buy some a company in Ohio actually makes 14.5x114mm (and lots of other cartridges) dies and I don't think ITAR restricts dies.
https://www.ch4d.com/
https://www.ch4d.com/products/dies/caliber-list?page=24
>> No. 2943 ID: c1c20f
36 hours with Hoppe's Bench Rest Copper Solvent did absolutely nothing.

No change.

Not a single shred of difference. Everything smells like ammonia now though.
>> No. 2944 ID: 7188a3
>>2943
Is there a particular reason you aren't using an electrical copper removal setup?
>> No. 2945 ID: 3034cc
>>2944
Don't know how, don't want to fuck it up, don't know anything about crazy space electro-magic.
>> No. 2946 ID: 3034cc
>>2944
>>2945
Also, ammonia should have worked.

Why didn't it? Did the Russians use bullets with a different alloy of gilding metal?

I can clearly see this yellow, copper/brass-ish color (NOT rust, it's very evidently some sort of bullet fouling) in the bore.

Who's to say wizard lightning science copper removal will work if ammonia didn't?
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>>2946
>I can clearly see this yellow, copper/brass-ish color
Does it look like this?

This stuff is supposed to work well where other methods fail.
http://www.sharpshootr.com/wipeout.htm
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