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6711 No. 6711 ID: e6f4f7
Currently looking at options.

Budget: Less than $800 not including monitor.

No ASUS motherboards.

No Nvidia chipsets, please. Bad experiences with them. Would like a card that has HDMI options to use with TVs and the like.

Haven't decided Intel or AMD. Leaning AMD, but am open to using Intel is the price/performance of it in gaming is worth it.
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>> No. 6712 ID: ab07a1
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Is a good place to start.

With your budget, you'll be looking at the superb tier (I'm not familiar with that tier of CPU, but the R9 280X is a *very* capable graphics card) or lower. You could easily swap/mix and match/change out whatever you want, but this website provides a good baseline.

What is up with the no ASUS mobo rule? HDid you have a bad experience with ASUS?

I generally lean towards AMD, not because I'm some kind of foaming-mad-hate-intel-fanboy, but b/c I've had a good experience history with AMD so far. Your millage may vary.

Regarding the graphics cards, there are a number of manufacturers that make the "same" card with the "same" name, but they can and often do vary in terms of cooling and number/type of output ports on the back. Sometimes the memory options can vary as well. They might even make two variants of the "same" card; such as XFX's R7 260X which at one point had two different memory configurations. Also, if the card you want doesn't have the exact outputs you want, no worries, you can get cables that convert between which ever port types you desire.
>> No. 6713 ID: e6f4f7
>What is up with the no ASUS mobo rule? HDid you have a bad experience with ASUS?

Last PC I built (which was a long fucking time ago, chip was an Athlon 64 FX dual-core to showcase how long ago) I used an ASUS mobo. First one was dead on arrival. I didn't know that, however, until I was already wiring the thing. RMA back to newegg, got a replacement, worked... ish. Come to find out that the model I was using had some thermal protection throttling bullshit yet it was set WAAAAAY too low and still within safe limits. So I was never getting the full performance of my processor until they decided to release a BIOS update.

The fact that their manuals have/had terrible Engrish directions didn't help.

No problems with their other stuff (the Radeon in the same PC was ASUS and was rock solid), but I'm never buying another fucking ASUS board again.
>> No. 6714 ID: e6f4f7
>With your budget, you'll be looking at the superb tier (I'm not familiar with that tier of CPU, but the R9 280X is a *very* capable graphics card

I've been looking at 270s and 280s. 270(X) seems have to a ridiculous amount of power/price ratio. 280X would last me awhile, and I'd rather bite the bullet and not have to upgrade for some time.

I'm wondering, though. You mentioned all the ridiculous numbers of manufacturer variants out there - what exactly should I be looking for? Is there any manufacturer I should stay away from or that you're simply paying for name recognition?
>> No. 6715 ID: ab07a1
Man, that sounds like the perfect shit-storm of bad luck. I currently have an ASUS mobo, and have played around with another one, without running in to the issues you describe. As far as engrish goes, I think they've worked past that.

>I'm wondering, though. You mentioned all the ridiculous numbers of manufacturer variants out there - what exactly should I be looking for? Is there any manufacturer I should stay away from or that you're simply paying for name recognition?

In some cases you are paying for name, not so much in that specific manufacturer, but rather in a variant of a card. For example, any thing by ASUS labelled "ROG" or "Republic of Gamers" is marketed towards "hard-core" gamers, and while it generally does preform as labelled, you can expect to pay a premium for its features, which most folks don't even make full usage out of. Another notable example of this is found in some mobos, which are designed for people who overclock. Since I dont currently overclock, the extra I would pay for such a mobo would go to waste. In the case of graphics cards, what you generally pay more for are cards with fancy cooling setups or ones which come pre-over clocked.

I wouldn't call it a ridiculous number of manufactures; more so a few that produce more than one variation of the same card. Currently, if I hop on NCIX Canada and search "R9 280X" I get 12 different cards, which are produced by 7 manufactures, 6 of whom are "regulars" that I am familiar with (I've never seen the 7th one before, I think they might be a re-badge of someone else). The price can vary between them by more than $100, depending on which variant is selected.

If you are still unsure, you can always look around on the youtubes and elsewhere for comparisons and reviews.
>> No. 6723 ID: 328bee
Could you guys check over this parts list and tell me if there's any potential red flags or offer some advice?


Open to suggestions (especially regarding case, it's so many fucking options), but I would like to keep it below $800.
>> No. 6724 ID: 06a0fb
If you don't run multi-monitor setups, the R9 270X would save some money bringing you further under the $800 limit. The R9 280s and 290s don't make much use of their architecture overheads unless paired with high-resolution monitors greater than 2560x1600 or Eyefinity setups.

If you run a single monitor of 1920x1080 or a small, 3-screen or less multi-monitor solution,a 270X or 275/275X would be better utilized to its full potential.

Also, many reviews of the 280, if you wish to keep it, say that 600 and 650W power supplies often don't give enough voltage to the 280 on the 12V rail to run it beyond reference clocks, so maybe jumping to a 700W or 750W PSU would be a better choice if factory overclocked cards are a must-have for your build. I'd hold the same advice true for factory overclocks on R9 270 series or even R7 260s.

Also, if this shall be primarily a gaming rig, very few games can use multiple cores well yet, so you could save money by getting a higher-clocked quad-core CPU.
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These are all* very valid points and are definetly worth considering.
Unless you are doing media editing/creation/CAD rendering, anything more than a quad core cpu is going to waste for a gameing setup.

*my only exception is regarding the R7 260's. I currently run a 260X, and it is more than happy on a 650W psu. The manual actually says a 500W psu is the miniumum for a 260X.
>> No. 6726 ID: 977d47


Okay, I've updated it. I took your advice and went with a slightly higher clocked FX-4350 quad-core (which from what I can decipher is basically a factory overclocked FX-4300). Unfortunately, the only thing that has a higher clock speed is either an 8-core AMD or an Intel that's about twice the price as the AMD. Neither of those are options unfortunately. Also on the subject of CPUs, FX-4350s are second only in rarity to unicorn spunk. Apparently Amazon was the only place worth a shit that had new stock.

As for now I'm sticking with the R9 280. I could probably do just fine with the 270X, but I'm building this with thought that it's going to be a LONG ass time before I upgrade (I've been saving for this build for some time). So having a ridiculously powerful card with lots of options for down-the-road futures is exactly what I'm looking for.

Not too concerned with the power requirements, draw on the card doesn't seem to go above 359 watts even when ridiculously overclocked from what I can find. Even with the FX series higher draw, that still gives a generous leeway for power management.

That said, I saw some terrible fucking things about that Corsair RM that I had selected so I said "fuck it" and upgraded to a SeaSonic. Their quality better be as legendary as it's made out to be, because the only thing more painful than paying that much for a PSU is the price of video cards. This thing better last a long ass time.
>> No. 6727 ID: 06a0fb
Seasonics are generally very durable and dependable.

Five models rated within the last year, none of them rated lower than at least Silver Editor's Choice award.
Seasonic 650W PSU for you to check out.

And a 660 they rated Editor's Choice Gold.
>> No. 6728 ID: 06a0fb
>And a 660 they rated Editor's Choice Gold.

Forgot my link:
>> No. 6734 ID: 51a4de
If you want to be dead sure about a certain PSU, look it up here. If it's not on here, don't buy it unless you have a good general idea of all the brands.

>> No. 6744 ID: 885afe
Computer issue ive recently had.

So I got a new liquid cpu cooler (antec kuhler) in august when my last one had a pump failure.

Well as of like 2 weeks ago my PC has started to run warmer than it should (it is currently idling at 48-54c). So I went through and took just about everything apart and cleaned it. That worked for a day or so but then it was back to being high.

So my two ideas is either A) The pump is going out again (which it shouldnt, its like a month or two old) or the thermal paste has dried out or something. The copper plate+thermal paste was a BITCH to get on when I replaced it back in august. So I figure I might need to put some new paste on it, but alas I dont have any good stuff. Im also half tempted to bring it to a computer repair store to do it for me because of how hard that cooler was to install.
>> No. 6751 ID: cc92da
I may... I may have gone slightly over budget. Newegg is taking for god damn ever with my orders, but...

Case arrived. Phantom 530 is fucking beast. Probably the first and last case I'll ever buy. It's fucking huge, but if you want a full tower case, I don't think you can get much more for your money than the 530. Looks awesome and has a great finish as well.

Ran into a hiccup with the video card. I looked at the 280 prior to Thanksgiving and thought, "Hey, Newegg is surely going to have this on sale for Black Friday/Cyber Monday and all that good shit. So I'll just wait a tick."

It sold out the next day. So did basically all their 280(X) cards. So I turned to Amazon and got one for a little over $200. Or so I thought. The fucksticks I ordered from emailed me 2 days later saying that the card was out of stock, yet they still deducted the money from my bank account. That was fun.

Ended up ordering one from Ebay because MSI R9 280s are apparently an endangered fucking species. So $219 for a card I could have got for $175 on Newegg had I not been a total retard. Damn it.

So, yeah, just ordered some fans, the hard drive and accessories and... This $800 build is turning into a $900 one. And still the only parts I have yet are the processor, the case and the thermal compound.

I'm slightly panicking at what I have gotten myself into.
>> No. 6752 ID: cc92da

Updated. All I need now, that I know I need at least, is top exhaust fans.
(SP fan is for the tiltable HD cage fan mount, for cooling MB/GPU/ect.)

Probably going to go with 2x 200mm fans for top exhaust. Thinking of going with LED-lighted fans to be extra obnoxious.
>> No. 6753 ID: 06a0fb
Seems like a good build. I tend to stay away from Gigabyte products, but they do make strong stuff for the enthusiast (when they work).

Just a note: I had an MSI GTX 560 Twin Frozr, lasted less than a year of non-overclocked use. My brother has on two separate builds ordered MSI cards as his preferred equipment; both times cards DOA and RMA was a 3 fucking week process.

In my experience, be saving already for an upgrade or replacement for the MSI video card. I usually buy Asus, Sapphire, or XFX now for AMD GPUs because of the bad experiences with MSI.
>> No. 6754 ID: ca3240
You probably could have hit your goal budget of $800 if you'd have bought from newegg (R9 280's can be had there for as much as $60 cheaper, depending on brand), and maybe cut back to a slightly cheaper case.

Either way, that's not a bad rig for what you're spending.
>> No. 6757 ID: a63bd5
>You probably could have hit your goal budget of $800 if you'd have bought from newegg (R9 280's can be had there for as much as $60 cheaper, depending on brand)

All sold out, bro. That's the problem I had.

The fucking chink crypto miners are buying cards faster than they can be manufactured. When Newegg discounted their 280s, they pretty much flew off the shelves within hours. I figured Newegg, of all places, would have tons of stock, but... apparently not.
>> No. 6758 ID: 392726
Plus MSI "RMA'd" me the same card at least once. I wrote down the serial # after I had to RMA it a second time, and put a blue dot on the inside of the cooling shroud in a really, really inconspicuous place. And they made me pay shipping for the thing.
>> No. 6759 ID: cc92da

Please, guys, I'm already freaking out about dropping this much money on stuff that's still en route and on a PC build which I haven't done in years (and not to this scale).
>> No. 6762 ID: ca3240
Remind me why you are so anti-Nvidia again?
>> No. 6763 ID: ca3240
I just realized that my comment may have sounded a bit dick-ish, but I didn't mean it that way.

I was asking because the GTX 760 seems like it would a good second choice, and and I may have one for sale in the next few days.

If you need to get your rig running but can't find another 280, and you decide to lift your embargo on nvidia products, let me know.
>> No. 6764 ID: 16c18b
I've had nothing but problems with Nvidia chipsets in the past and simply refuse to deal with the company any longer. I went through 2 GeForces in the span of 6 months meanwhile the Asus X1550 in one of my old PCs is... fucking ancient... and still working.

I'm just not going to use Nvidia sets again. Even if they are objectively superior and/or cheaper.
>> No. 6767 ID: 77b8e4
Fair enough. But if you change your mind, just let me know.
>> No. 6768 ID: 06a0fb
I understand. I'm just giving you warning based n my experiences. I and my brother have no used MSI products in the last... 3 to 4 years because of these issues. Things might be different on new architecture and chipsets. This all happened on Radeon HD3000 and HD5000 series cards and my failed MSI was a GTX 560, to tell you how long ago it was.
>> No. 6769 ID: 03a6f2
Well, no need to worry. The MSI R9 280 card that I ordered (again) was out of stock (again - they were nice enough to wait 4 days before telling me). So I'm looking to buy another 280 if I spot it in the wild. The XFX Black Edition Double D R9 280 looks like the best option right now with Asus' and then Sapphire's options respectfully.

A higher power or cosmic force is telling me not to buy an MSI 280, apparently. After "ordering" one twice and being told they're out of stock and having another go out of stock before I jumped on it, I'm taking it as a sign.

In other news, my RAM, DVD drive, mobo, CPU cooler and power supply arrived. Now comes the job of reading a fuckton of manuals.
>> No. 6770 ID: a63bd5

Just ordered an XFX 280.


By god, I'm going to go nuclear if this turns out to be out of stock.
>> No. 6771 ID: 06a0fb
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>Black Edition

Those things generally have the overhead for an additional 10-15% worth of clock increase beyond factory OC.
>> No. 6772 ID: a63bd5
They also have one of the highest clock settings of 280s out there.

Surprisingly not a lot of reviews/info about it. Saw some reviews and overviews on Youtube, but what made me decide to get it is the responses from XFX about issues seemed on the ball and they were responsive with customers on Newegg.
>> No. 6774 ID: 402c4b
Why a 280 in particular? I'm upgrading right now and looking to go big so 290 or 290X, but I realize the 280 is still a great choice.
>> No. 6775 ID: ad1998
280X didn't really offer much more and on average was about $40 or more higher in price. 290s were just out of my price range unless I really skimped somewhere.

Thought about a 270X, but I won't be able to upgrade for awhile. 280 and up has a lot of longevity and future proofing options from what I've seen. (And 280s were hard to beat for price. In fact, many of the 270X 4GB editions were just as, if not more, expensive than many 280s.)

It's a finnicky thing and I'm rather in over my head as far as in-depth technical shit goes, but for the price and me wanting this to last awhile the 280 seemed like a good bet.

In case any of you are thinking about building a PC around this time of year... DON'T. Yes, there were great deals. I could have gotten that MSI 280 for about $170 ($159 if you count rebates, which I don't). But everything was going out of stock. If you want to piece out stuff, that's fine, but don't bet on what you want/need being in stock. Certainly wasn't in my case.
>> No. 6776 ID: 402c4b
I see, makes sense, the only reason I've read as for why people don't jump to 290 is budget and that is the hard and fast truth for PC builds.

I've only got the GPU and RAM left to purchase, I didn't get any great deals during BF/CM (minus a SSD) but some savings were there and I was planning on doing a new rig anyway so why not? I'm frugal the rest of the year anyway.

The GPU is by far the most expensive part and I'm slightly ticked that vendors are cutting the price on AMD cards for US customers only (.ca land here). The 970 was tempting but considering that they are next to impossible to find and only on-par in many cases with the 290s, I will stick with RED over GREEN. AMD has earned my business after two solid builds which have lasted me 3 years each, so even though it is more money to go big on a RED card I'm sticking to it.
>> No. 6782 ID: 06a0fb
Trufax tiem: The R9 280X is a slightly improved architecture redesign of the HD 7970 using improvements and energy requirement reductions gained over the lifetime of the HD 7000s and HD 8000 lifecycles.

The R9 280 is an improved and higher clocked 7950, and has better efficiency and more overhead on the voltage modifications when overclocked because of this.


280X has 850MHz Core clock, 1000MHz boost, 1500MHz mem clock.
280 Has 833MHz core, 933MHz boost, 1200MHz mem.

In most other respects the 280 is slightly below the 280X capability, but the 280 can push higher GFLOPS per Watt of power used than the 280X. This is exactly as it should be given the base tech in each.

If you've got the money for a 290
jump on it. Check the stats for it in the table. Very few games will be able to make full use of the 290s hardware on a single monitor for several years.
>> No. 6783 ID: 402c4b
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Well I was looking very close at the Sapphire R9 290 and doing some reading on it and decided against it. Went with the ASUS DirectCU II OC R9 290, performance for dollar value it looks the best in my eyes ($370 CAD vs. $450 for Sapphire). The 290Xs all look great but at close to double the price just can't justify it.

One thing I am always reminded of is how much I hate newegg.ca which can go fk itself over prices when you compare it to the .com site. The other big Canadian retailers are just about the same, which is stupid considering its just shipping further north.

I'm currently on one monitor however I'm somewhat tempted to finally go dual after all these years. Funds after xmas shopping will dicate that though.
>> No. 6784 ID: 06a0fb
Of note though, on multi-monitor setups:
Synchronized screens, in an Eyefinity like setup, require use of Displayport connectors. Single screen, by which I mean each monitor functioning as a separate monitor to switch between, do not.
>> No. 6789 ID: 402c4b
Really? I wasn't planning on going the Eyefinity route right away so I've never read anything into it, good to know should I decide for it in the future.
>> No. 6791 ID: 80c58c
Video card arrived today. Did an outside-the-box basic build and everything that should be getting power was. So, at least there's no RMA issues yet. Still have a fuckload of other things that could, but major stuff is okay.

Disaster almost struck as well. I didn't have an ESD band, but I made sure to constantly ground myself on the PSU's casing. I was working at a small desk that wasn't on carpeting and because SeaSonic, in their infinite wisdom, decided packing the ATX cords for their PSU as tightly as possible so you can straighten them out was a brilliant idea I knocked the PSU off the table while I was about to install the video card. Thankfully I caught it (kinda), and thank god Gigabyte's durability isn't hype and nothing broke.

So, yeah. Now I have to legally purchase an official and legitimate copy of Windows 7 and I'll be set to start the build.

Did I mention how sexy the XFX 280 was?
>> No. 6792 ID: 80c58c
>so you can't straighten them out

>> No. 6794 ID: 402c4b
Pics? Still waiting on my memory and GPU to get here, hopefully before the weekend so I get it built and check while I have the time.
>> No. 6797 ID: 86b7dc
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So... The build is complete. I documented it some, too.

Currently posting from the new gaming rig. Downloading a ton of shit on Steam and elsewhere.

Everything went... well, pretty well. The only trouble I really had was the CPU cooler and fan (fucking retardedly involved compared to AMD's latch system which takes about 5 seconds), forgetting to hook up the molex power for the fan controller and Windows 7 being a nigger and not into USB 3.0 ports without drivers.

Fired up War Thunder and vrroomed about for a minute or two. Card seems to work great. Runs COOL AS FUCK. Seriously, I'm rarely getting over 25 degrees C on my processor. Granted, I haven't OC'd or stressed tested it, but damn. This cooler works fucking wonders.

So, currently, Gigabyte gets a thumbs up for their mobos.
NZXT gets a huge fucking thumbs up for their awesome case.
XFX seems to have a decent 280.
AMD is awesome, but we already knew that.
SeaSonic makes an awesome, if pricey, PSU that is versatile as hell.
Cooler Master's Hyper 212 EVO gives nearly water-cooling temps at the expensive of being fuckhuge.
>> No. 6798 ID: 86b7dc
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Oh, and if you want a wireless adapter, check that shit out. The one I got is high gain as hell and I'm picking up neighbor's wifi that I didn't even know existed.
>> No. 6799 ID: 86b7dc
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>> No. 6800 ID: 86b7dc
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>> No. 6801 ID: 86b7dc
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The whole reason I got that 140mm static pressure fan was to put it in the tiltable HDD cage fan mount here.

Well, that ain't gonna happen. Ended up throwing it exhaust-pull out on the top-middle of the case. In all honesty, I probably don't even need it.

That's what I get for my measuring being "eh, should fuckin' fit no problem".
>> No. 6802 ID: 86b7dc
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They ain't kidding when they talk about how these new longer cards suffer are sagging/droopy.
>> No. 6803 ID: 86b7dc
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>> No. 6804 ID: 86b7dc
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Why do I have a feeling I'm about to be mocked for "pleb tier" cable management?

Hey, the side panel goes on and closes no problem and shit ain't in the way of the fans.
>> No. 6805 ID: 86b7dc
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And the sexy end result.
>> No. 6806 ID: 06a0fb
>"pleb tier" cable management?
Way I look at it, the money everyone wastes on cable ties and velcro and shit for their computer cases is money they should have put towards a better PSU, GPU, or RAM.

Besides, the only fags who talk about that seriously are the ones who want their cases in PC Magazine or PC Gamer UK.
>> No. 6807 ID: 39d4a6
This! Cable management only matters when it comes to network patch panels because it's easier to trace out cables when there relatively organized. It's one thing to have a zip tie here or there, but after that it almost becomes a case of OCD to have the inside of a case look 100% perfect.
>> No. 6808 ID: c3e6b2
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What kind of PSU, GPU, or RAM upgrade can you get for $5


Also a lot of case now comes with a little bundle of zip-ties
>> No. 6810 ID: f2f4f2
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Good cable management improves airflow, and small zip ties are a fucking dollar for a "more than you need" pack. If spending another dollar is "wasting money" when building a computer, you've got bigger problems.

You are basically saying they people shouldn't bother cleaning their house because some morons spend a lot of money on maids.
>> No. 6811 ID: 06a0fb
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>You are basically saying they people shouldn't bother cleaning their house because some morons spend a lot of money on maids.
You're overextending my argument. Full retard, route-all-cables-so-none-are-visible, nothing-but-cards-coolers-and-cable-ends-may-be-seen cable management is excessive and stupid. Using packed velcro shit to bude stuff together and make your case clean is basic fucking computer building know-how.

Tieing cables together like pic related is simple, easy, and basic. I don't consider this "cable management," I consider it basic practice.
>> No. 6812 ID: 06a0fb
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Routing cables on the backside of the motherboard tray, separating routed cables, ziptieing similarly routed and connected cables like this pic is in my opinion, excessive, wasteful, and tryhard. There are guys who wilkl get colored electrical tape and wrap cables in different colors so that hard drive cables are color coded differently from GPU cables and fan cables and so on. It's unecessary and full autism mode.
>> No. 6813 ID: d7c33f
>Not liking maids
>> No. 6828 ID: 0dcdc8
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I consider the .0002 cfm improvement gained for hours of work a waste of time.

How about you just dust your house for that time instead.
>> No. 6838 ID: d4df2e
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There's a reason why.

Reality sucks.
>> No. 6842 ID: 9785ce
>comparison image

Paging NSWG, white courtesy phone.
Paging NSWG, white courtesy phone.
>> No. 6850 ID: 247e37
those maids on the bottom are actually hotter for some reason.

>shrugging intensifies
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>> No. 6852 ID: 247e37
>doesnt know that maids are usually dirty birds that will do anything in bed.

have fun with your stuck up bitches
>> No. 6870 ID: 7fcde8
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No money spent on cable management. Literally 30 seconds longer in terms of assembly time. If you're not willing to clean shit up, then you're just lazy and have lack of attention to detail.
>> No. 6872 ID: 1fb1a6

Modern cases make it easy.
>> No. 6873 ID: 097fc9
See that big opening on the motherboard mount piece? Back in the day when ever you need to change the CPU back plate you will have to dismount the motherboard to gain access to the under side. Modern cases now has a big opening so you can change the back plate with ease.
>> No. 6879 ID: 392726
Most airflow problems, IMO, have little to do with the actual wiring in the case and much more to do with wanting to stick too large and powerful components into a cheapass, too small a case, with no extra fans added.
>> No. 6890 ID: 7fcde8

Someone didn't learn on computers with IDE or SCSI cabling.....
>> No. 6891 ID: 26a501
This. Not everything was so easy and small as SATA cables.

IDE cables were fucking huge and to make matters worse few cases back then had wiring options. To make matters worse, most IDE cables were also long as fuck.
>> No. 6892 ID: 392726

I don't know about you two noobs, but when I was using ATA or IDE cables, I remember the case being pretty sparse inside. What were you doing where your 333 computer was overheating in 1997? Or where an IDE cable would choke off all airflow?
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