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108866 No. 108866 ID: fa8f7d
manpads should be legal
isis has them.
what if isis attacks me?
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>> No. 108878 ID: bc78c2
True. the only restriction the 2nd amendment should have is biological weapons, because they tend to spread well beyond their intended targets. scary stuff.
>> No. 108879 ID: 538c90
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>>108866
The defense of a man-portable air-defense system (MANPADS) SAM is not another shoulder-launched surface-to-air missile. Silly.

- Japanese Type 91 Kai MANPAD at a mock airborne target in the Pacific Alaskan Range Complex as part of Red Flag – Alaska.
>> No. 108880 ID: 538c90
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Afraid of MANPADS damaging your plane?
Get a tougher plane.
Here's a close-up view of a damaged section of a 23rd Tactical Fighter Wing A-10A Thunderbolt II aircraft. The plane sustained damaged when an SA-16 missile exploded near it during Operation Desert Storm.
>> No. 108881 ID: 538c90
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Russian 9K333 Verba (Willow) infrared homing MANPADS. Its US DoD designation is SA-25.
>> No. 108882 ID: 538c90
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9K333 Verba MANPAD at Military-technical forum ARMY-2016
>> No. 108883 ID: 538c90
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FIM-43 Redeye portable anti-aircraft missile system demonstration in 1984.
>> No. 108884 ID: 538c90
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>> No. 108885 ID: 538c90
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RBS-70 man-portable air-defense system of the Army of the Czech Republic.
>> No. 108886 ID: 538c90
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ROCKHAMPTON, Queensland, Australia (July 17, 2011) Australian Defence Force Gunner Luke Pozzoli aims a RBS-70 Ground Based Air Defence System after the section completes a one minute, thirty second assembly during rapid deployment drills. The 16th Air Defence Regiment, based in Woodside, South Australia, is part of the Australian Defence Force participating in Talisman Sabre 2011. TS11 is an exercise designed to train U.S. and Australian forces to plan and conduct Combined Task Force operations to improve combat readiness and interoperability on a variety of missions from conventional conflict to peacekeeping and humanitarian assistance efforts.
>> No. 108887 ID: 538c90
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Here, an Afghan Mujahid demonstrates positioning of a soviet-built SA-7 hand-held surface-to-air missile.
>> No. 108888 ID: 538c90
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>> No. 108895 ID: 10f4c8
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They ARE legal. They fall under Destructive Devices per the NFA, and can be lawfully owned (or even manufactured) provided you pay the $200 tax and complete the registration.
>> No. 108896 ID: 957e9b
>be me
>be in Afghaniland
>be crewing ramp gun on a shitter with out actual gun due to there not being enough functional ramp guns to go around for all of the flights that day
>have feet dangling off the edge of ramp as you fly over a village
>suddenly your shitter and the lead shitter start kicking a shit ton of flares automagically
>ramp gunner in lead shitter then calls a smoke trail
>missile hits nothing
>ROE prevents firing back due to heavy civie poplulation and lack of a clearly identified target
>keep flying
>after debrief S-2 chick tell you that is was an SA-7 based off of the smoke trail
>super-smart AVI guy surprised that the automagic detection system actually worked as advertised
>AVI sacrifices of nuggets/boots to the Sikorsky gods must actually work
>have it dawn on you 3 days later that "holy-fuck-cakes...no one saw the trail in time...missile was aimed at my aircraft...I really could have died...these sand-niggers really want to kill me..."
>keep doing job and flying because you aren't a pussy
>> No. 108897 ID: 957e9b
>>108896
The way I understand it though is the flares really didn't do much of anything as the SA-7 isn't heat seeking. Dude must have fucked up targeting or simply had a soviet left-over that was a dud.
>> No. 108898 ID: 538c90
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>>108897
The SA-7 is heat-seeking, in that it uses infrared guidance. It certainly does not use radar guidance.

The SA-7 GRAIL (Strela-2) man-portable, shoulder-fired, low-altitude SAM system is similar to the US Army REDEYE, with a high explosive warhead and passive infrared homing guidance. The SA-7 was the first generation of Soviet man portable surface-to-air missiles. Although classed as "fire and forget" types, the missiles were easily overcome by solar heat and, when used in hilly terrain, by heat from the ground. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/sa-7.htm
>> No. 108902 ID: 957e9b
>>108898
ah so the flares did help
>> No. 108908 ID: 10f4c8
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>>108902

Yeah, the Strela-1 used, IIRC, a uncooled plumbous sulfide seeker. Cheap and effective, but limited to tail-chase against the hot engines of an aircraft, and was very "dumb" in that flares, the sun, and even some cloud reflections could confuse it.

I'm curious what the automagic detector system is. Millimeter-wave RADAR or UV?

>tfw a Blowpipe is more dangerous than those old Russkie Strelas vs modern aircraft.
>> No. 108910 ID: 957e9b
>>108908
Not sure.

When AVI did real maintenance on it they only let their actual smart guys do it though. Twas serious business.
>> No. 108911 ID: 334c17
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>>108881 >>108882
Next-gen MANPADS use compact matrix IR seekers, they are much more effective against simple decoys. Still, direct blinding emitters that are used in most advanced countermeasures have a good chance too defeat such missile.

>RuAF Mi-8AMTSh with L370E8 "Vitebsk" IR countermeasure system and 2 SyAAF L-39s
>Syria 2016
>> No. 108912 ID: 538c90
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>> No. 109054 ID: 6d53c4
>>108911
Modern MANPADS as I understand it also utilize an ultraviolet sensor to overcome thermal decoying. The idea is that the aircraft body will show up against the sky due to reflecting UV light, and more significantly the engine plume of a jet aircraft, especially one under afterburn, produces a significant amount of UV light.
Decoy flares, on the other hand, do not produce any UV.

So, when working together, the IR sensor may be momentarily confused by decoy flares, but the UV sensor will remain fixed on the aircraft and get the IR sensor back on track.

Blinding lasers remain effective, of course.
>> No. 109056 ID: d4c8ee
  >>109054
As I understand it, it can also work like blackbody radiation, with the UV seeker looking for the "void" created by the aircraft blocking natural UV light between the seeker and the background. There's also work into developing what is effectively a chaff made out of UV reflective materials that magnify natural UV light.
>> No. 109284 ID: ad9db9
>>109054

WTF? I know for a fact that magnesium emits high levels of UV; why the devil don't they just use that if UV is what's being tracked?
>> No. 109292 ID: 9723b1
>>109284
Something tells me the goal of IR guided missiles is to shrewdly make it so the IR detector is incapable of detecting the emission spectrum of any burning metal (not just magnesium) yet perfectly capable of detecting the emission spectrum of jet fuel burning at high compression ratios.

At some point the only way to defeat IR guided missiles passively and cheaply will be to throw out chunks of fuel and deflagrate them.

Until that point in time, small LED decoys can be made to emit the exact spectrums the missile is looking for, as long as a sample of the missile warhead was examined beforehand.
>> No. 109295 ID: 10f4c8
>>109284

Because what the seeker tracks is the "empty spot" of the plane in the UV background of the sky, not the plane's nonexistent UV emission. It sees the contrast and follows the dark spot, while the IR seeker sees the engines and follows the "hot spot." If anything throws one of the seekers off, it error-corrects using the other one.

Pretty impressive system for something that fits in the tip of a cardboard mailing tube.
>> No. 109296 ID: 231c25
>>109295

>void tracking

Oh fuck me, that makes way more sense than what I was thinking. Well, now I feel like an idiot for not picking up on that; thanks for clearing that up, though.
>> No. 109299 ID: 9dcda2
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>>109292
> jet fuel burning at high compression ratios

Just a clarification on jet engine operation: The fuel is only burning in the combustor and is done by the time it hits the turbine section. Also the pressure is atmospheric by the time it exits the exhaust section.

So from the tailpipe you get hot, high velocity gas. (1250'F according to the chart.)
>> No. 109300 ID: 9dcda2
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The IR seeker is looking for these things at 1000'F.
>> No. 109301 ID: 9dcda2
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Red is dead.
>> No. 109302 ID: 9dcda2
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The FLIR website has some sweet pictures.
>> No. 109303 ID: 9dcda2
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http://www.flir.com/science/display/?id=46795#tab5
>> No. 109304 ID: 9dcda2
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I fucked around with a FLIR camera from work and found it to be kinda useless. Infrared radiation isn't exactly heat. It's like light that's generated from heat. So it bounces off shiny shit. See the runway?

Then there's all the physics bullshit about emissivity...

http://www.raytek.com/raytek/en-r0/ireducation/emissivity
>> No. 109305 ID: 9dcda2
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IR selfie.
>> No. 109348 ID: 631970
>>109304
Yep, this is also why when you see a person dicking around with a thermal camera/lens/scope on youtoob or some such you'll see reflections of the person in their windows and shit.
>> No. 109857 ID: b70387
  Zoltan Danis presentation on the 1999 F-117A shootdown, with English subtitles courtesy of a Serb on 8ch/k/.
https://8ch.net/k/res/493071.html


Predavanje Zoltana Danija o obaranju aviona F-117A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvgyiFCoG0U
>> No. 109858 ID: 4d2c2c
>>109857
tl;dw: Air Force repeatedly sends aircraft down the same goddamn corridor every mission, Serbs use a IR camera to see when one is coming and then do basic math to find the intersection of two objects of unchanged velocity to volley fire SA-3s into the air until one of them gets close enough to trigger the proximity fuse.
>> No. 109860 ID: 813f6b
>>109304

It can still be useful to have an idea on which parts of an engine are heating up faster than the surrounding parts. (and i'm obviously not talking of the cylinders)
That way you have some idea where the loss/inefficiency in the system is.

Obviously not a solves-all solution, but it can help you get situated.
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