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111155 No. 111155 ID: d7e6b8
>The U.S. government has broadened an interpretation of which citizens can be subject to physical or digital surveillance to include “homegrown violent extremists,” according to official documents seen by Reuters.

>The change last year to a Department of Defense manual on procedures governing its intelligence activities was made possible by a decades-old presidential executive order, bypassing congressional and court review.

>The new manual, released in August 2016, now permits the collection of information about Americans for counterintelligence purposes “when no specific connection to foreign terrorist(s) has been established,” according to training slides created last year by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI).

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-surveillance-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-widens-surveillance-to-include-homegrown-violent-extremists-documents-idUSKBN1CU1H6

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>> No. 111156 ID: 034746
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>complaining about getting treated like terrorists because you act like terrorists

but the alt-right is a religion of peeeeaaaace!
>> No. 111157 ID: 060ec8
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Yeah, the problem with the US government is just not having enough domestic police agencies, methods and personnel to conduct surveillance and investigations of people within the USA. The cops just HAVE to bring the military in to help with domestic surveillance, even though there are laws against it and doing so makes the USA look like a cheap authoritarian police state ruling over a gulag of minimized civil rights.

Military involvement in domestic law enforcement operations is something Americans have always regarded with deep unease. The framers of the Constitution recognized the threat a standing army posed to democracy and they sought to establish a government that guaranteed civilian supremacy over the military. This ideal was finally codified after the Civil War through the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibited the Army from engaging in law enforcement activities on U.S. soil. But Congress has weakened Posse Comitatus over the years by permitting military involvement in drug enforcement, border control and all sorts of other "domestic support" operations. As a result, the military is increasingly turning its powerful intelligence collection capabilities against Americans. https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-department-defensensa-spying

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
(Added Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, § 18(a), 70A Stat. 626; amended Pub. L. 86–70, § 17(d), June 25, 1959, 73 Stat. 144; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.) https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385
>> No. 111159 ID: 3e9aae
Military personnel see white supremacists as a greater threat than Syria or Pakistan, 60% support using the National Guard against them.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/10/23/military-times-poll-one-in-four-troops-sees-white-nationalism-in-the-ranks/
>> No. 111160 ID: 060ec8
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Maybe bringing in the military (who gets billions more than what they ask for in the budget) is a way to investigate right-wing terrorism in the USA? The Senate passed a $700 billion Pentagon bill provides $640 billion for basic Pentagon operations — $37 billion more than President Trump sought — and another $60 billion for war operations overseas in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere. But Donald Trump quietly slashed funds to groups fighting white supremacy months ago:
US President's decision to freeze funds facing fresh scrutiny in wake of deadly nationalist violence in Virginia
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlottesville-latest-donald-trump-slashed-funds-groups-fighting-white-supremacy-rally-riot-a7894271.html Tuesday 15 August 2017
Donald Trump's decision to slash funding to counter right-wing extremism in the US is facing fresh scrutiny in the wake of the Charlottesville violence that left three people dead.
The US President froze $10 million (£7.7m) of grants destined to fight violent extremism in the US back in May.
More than 30 organisations had been pegged by former President Barack Obama’s office to receive the funding, but the White House put the grants on hold pending review soon after Mr Trump took office.

For years, right-wing extremist terrorist groups have been in a close body count race with Muslim jihadist terrorists in murders in the US since 9/11/2001 with the jihadists making some serious gains since 2015 in big domestic attacks, but Trump wants to give the right-wing terrorists a pass and just focus on the Muslims.
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>>111160
The military doesn't investigate civil stuff. The only things they'd be "investigating" would be the best way to dig mass graves for the redhats so that diabetes medications don't seep into the water table.

Also the only branch that has positive support for the president right now is the one best known for eating paint, raping Okinawans, and ruining the F-35 program.
>> No. 111180 ID: f5eda2
>>111161
>eating paint
I resent that statement. We Marines eat Crayons. Preferably Crayola but not exclusively.
>raping Okinawan
If this is a reference to the 1995 incident I would like to point out the ringleader was a Seaman and all three were basketball-americans.
>ruining the F-35 program
Ummm the F-35 program would have to have been good for it to have been ruined...

>>111160
I feel like that graph is missing a significant data point...
>> No. 111182 ID: 8f0088
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>>111180
Your "they weren't really Marines, they were niggers" excuse is not compelling.

- Marines, following the rapid Japanese retreat northward on Okinawa, pause for a moments rest at the base of a Japanese war memorial. They are (on steps) Pfc. F. O. Snowden; Navy Pharmacist's Mate, 2nd class R. Martin; (on monument, left to right) Pvt. J. T. Walton, Pvt. R. T. Ellenberg, Pfc. Clyde Brown, Pvt. Robb Brawner. Photo was taken during the battle for Okinawa. April 12, 1945. https://www.archives.gov/research/african-americans/ww2-pictures
>> No. 111213 ID: 3e9aae
>>111180
To be short since I'm getting sick of explaining this over and over again: the vast majority of compromises to the original "Stealth F-16/A-7" concept/design of the JSF are directly traceable to Congress and the DOD deciding that Marines need to continue having their own separate air service that has it's own special-snowflake equipment and that the F-35 program would need to be dragged down to replace the AV-8B and accommodate the jarheads.

This is further exacerbated by the Republicans drastically cutting the number of F-22s because SURELY AUTESTRY WILL WORK THIS TIME, so now that stealth A-7 also needs to replace almost the entire F-15 fleet.
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>>111213
Yeah, they wanted something to replace the old AV-8B Harrier jump-jets, especially for foreign sales to navies with small ski ramp harrier carriers, but the F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) variant has degenerated into such a fiasco. The Marine B model uses a Rolls-Royce shaft-driven LiftFan propulsion system and an engine that can swivel 90 degrees when in short takeoff/vertical landing mode. Because of the LiftFan, the STOVL variant has a smaller internal weapon bay and less internal fuel capacity than the F-35A. Plus, it doesn't fucking work right even after years of delayed development and outrageous cost overruns.
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F-35B test aircraft BF-5 arrives on board USS Wasp (LHD 1) Aug. 12 for the second set of sea trials. http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.PhotoGalleryDetail&key=43858104-8497-496B-AF9F-1048FBB8FC1D
>> No. 111220 ID: b430d1
>>111213
manned pursuit aircraft are a 20th century weapon concept
these days even a third world shithole could produce high tech bullshit from off the shelf components which could easily hunt down anything limited by preventing g forces from blowing out the meatbag's eyeballs. just takes a big enough rocket, which is also just 20th century tech.
railgun launched mach 6 ramjet drones are the future
just my opinion
>> No. 111237 ID: d7e6b8
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>>111220
Just fly in an AWACS and shoot down all targets via space lasers.

>these days even a third world shithole could produce high tech bullshit from off the shelf components

In other words. We even as a non-third world nation are not fully there yet, and you can't snag this part at home depot either.
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We do not currently (acknowledged) have railgun launched Mach 6 ramjet drones or space lasers to fight on the battlefield, but what seems to be getting the job done (killing peasant morons in the Middle East with scant air defenses) on a budget is the Reaper drone. The F-35 was reported to replace CAS-smashers like the venerable A-10 Warthog, but this was a fantasy and the service life was further extended (even though many need lots of maintenance like new wings and fixing fuselage cracks) to around 2022. The A-10 may well be replaced by drones...
Reaper Drones: The New Close Air Support Weapon May 10, 2017 https://breakingdefense.com/2017/05/reaper-drones-the-new-close-air-support-weapon/
The Reaper has grown into a key Close Air Support (CAS) tool for the US military and should not be viewed primarily as an Intelligence, Surveillance, & Reconnaissance (ISR) asset. ...Another factor to take into account with so-called fast-mover aircraft like F-16s, F-18s, B-1s, B-2s and F-15s is that the enemy can hear them coming. The enemy often scatters when they hear the roar of an approaching fighter or bomber, which can be extremely useful. With an MQ-9, “they don’t know we’re there.” That can be useful if the goal of a mission is to kill particular personnel or to wipe out an enemy position — less so if the goal is to scare them off without striking, as was often the case in Afghanistan because of restrictive rules of engagement.
In Libya, more than 70 percent of the Reaper strikes were “danger-close” CAS missions, where exquisitely accurate targeting and the lowest amount of collateral damage possible were key. Hellfire missiles, originally designed to be used by attack helicopters, have smaller warheads than bombs and can be carefully guided during a strike to avoid destroying a building.
“We dropped 100s of Hellfires and handed that city back to the Libyans intact because we were using highly accurate weapons,” Col. Joe said. Most important, not a single civilian casualty caused by a Reaper strike was reported during the Sirte operations.
The larger lesson from that operation may be a new approach to working with local forces against terrorists and more organized groups. “We took an indigenous ground force we supported and we enabled them to take back land from our common enemy of ISIS,” the 432 commander says. “In many ways, it was the coming out party of the MQ-9 in urban CAS and our ability to go after an embedded enemy danger close.”
How close were the enemy and friendly forces? “We had shots as close as 25 meters,” Col. Joe says. One effect of the Reaper’s persistence — its ability to stay over one area for up to 20 hours — was the sense of protection it offered to friendly forces on the ground. “We took MQ-9s and we watched and protected the indigenous forces. If ISIS moved, we were there to alert GNA forces (friendly Libyans) or take action ourselves.” He got an email from a source he would not identify stating that GNA casualties plunged 400 percent after the US started deploying MQ-9s.
>> No. 111281 ID: 1d521e
The thing people forget when they start talking about drones replacing piloted aircraft has nothing to do with technology or physiology or even tactics. It's a matter of ethics. It's going to take a LOT longer for us as a species to be comfortable with the idea of an AI willfully taking a human life. If we're smart that should never happen.

To which a drone proponent would say "they're still piloted by humans, just far away. This removes the ethical issue, and it removes the pilots from harm's way, it also means the aircraft magically becomes better".

If you're only thinking about fighting rebels in mountains, then you might be right on some accounts. However, if you want that same military to be able to contend with foreign nations, it is dangerously wrong. In a war with a peer nation, the communications systems those drones use will be removed from use by one means or another. So then you're stuck with weapons you can't use, unless of course you're willing to give them control over killing a human being.

So not only are drones a dangerous solution to problems that don't exist, they can increase the likelihood we give the power to kill over to a machine running cold logical code. Code written to target whomever the controller programmed last.

Or we could continue to design manned aircraft because we're at a limitation of material science right now, and methods of propulsion. Human pilots aren't really holding aircraft design back. Jets wouldn't magically get faster, the electronics package required for complex drones is quite large. Humans aren't holding back aircraft like discovery channel shows might make you believe. Maneuverability being capped at ~9Gs has very little to do with human pilots now. Flightsuits have also advanced in the last 40 years, pilots can comfortably handle 9Gs for HOURS, and 11g for a few minutes, in the right suit. There's stuff in development that could push humans past 15g sustained (mostly centered around spaceflight, but technologies can still be applied).

It will be far easier to engineer weapon systems that overcome the limitations in material science, (who knew trying to get materials to maintain their perfect positioning while rapidly accelerating in various directions is hard). This is why there's the renewed interest in turreted defensive weapon systems on aircraft. It's much cheaper to make a 9G fighter that will survive for 15 years before needing service life extension programs, put a human pilot in it, put 360* defensive weapons on it, and then blame any mistakes on the human pilot if the targets turn out to be children. It's a lot easier for politicians to avoid questions if they already have a fall guy in place. Drones get swept away, or become AI-driven. It's a lot harder to avoid blame if it was literally just carrying out orders. Manned combat aircraft will hopefully be here for a very long time to come.
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Meanwhile back on topic... You are not paranoid if they are really after you.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/357465/pentagon-accidentally-exposes-web-monitoring-operation

>"The data exposed in one of the three buckets is estimated to contain at least 1.8 billion posts of scraped internet content over the past 8 years," UpGuard said in a Friday report.

>Much of the data was scraped from news sites, web forums, and social media services such as Facebook and Twitter. The information includes content relating to Iraqi and Pakistani politics and ISIS, but also social media posts made by Americans.
>> No. 111286 ID: ee43ea
>>111283
>scraped internet content over the past 8 years
It is said that everything that goes into Internet, stays in it forever. Now I can become just a little more certain about it.


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