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111974 No. 111974 ID: 1f065c
I'm looking at Paladin Press' books on irregular warfare, and it seems like virtually everything is about guerrilla war. However, I'm looking for a quality book about militia-based warfare and/or militia organization. Anyone know of anything good?
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>> No. 111976 ID: 61e76a
What specifically do you want to get out of it?
>> No. 111978 ID: 41441c
  >militia warfare
>> No. 111980 ID: 39b75e
The Last Hundred Yards isn't about militias per se, but is an extremely valuable book about light infantry tactics and applications. A militia is basically a mediocre, badly equipped light infantry unit with lots of pluck, so many of the lessons and concepts apply.
>> No. 111981 ID: c3fd79
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There are none because militia typically don't last long enough to use them. Ignore the 300lb anti-government revolutionary wannabees and jihadi fanboys, militia are whoever was too sick, old, young, or whatever caused them to not be drafted, given whatever weapons are left over in museums or training camps, and filled full of exultations to "die protecting the peak of their fathers" because the trained solders are fleeing to better positions or just fleeing in general.

And then they get mulched by seasoned infantry with armor and artillery support.
>> No. 111982 ID: 1f065c
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>>111976
I would like to do research into the principles underlying militia movements, such as what would be required to organise a grassroots militia for policing and defense purposes within the context of neighbourhoods and cities.
>>111980
Cool, thanks. I'll look into it.
>> No. 111983 ID: 8eeb9a
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111983
>it's another "fbi agent acidman creates domestic terrorist group to arrest" thread

>>111982
In which case you want information on organizing a neighborhood watch and running a political advocacy group.
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>>111983
This is the realm of community organising and political philosophy though, which although important I'm more than familiar with. What I'm interested in is theory pertaining to militia-based warfare and organisation.
>> No. 111985 ID: 4e8b5b
>>111984
I don't think you quite get it, there is none. You're not going to get a bunch of clerks and roofers into anything more than a mob where probably half of them will flee as soon as they come under fire and start dying. Like I said you're better off looking at information on how to organize a labor union or activist group. Enroll in your local community college and take some classes in public speaking and communication or something, there's a reason why the Russians always murdered the local communist party members and people with humanities educations whenever they took over in Eastern Europe.

Open militancy was one of the primary reasons of the decline of the Black Panther party in the 1970s, largely as the now-motivated black activists inside it realized they could get more and greater things done without being associated with a bunch of militia whackjobs going around in leather coats and getting in shootouts with the cops.
>> No. 111986 ID: 322a66
>>111985
That's all great, but respectfully I wasn't inquiring about opinions regarding the viability of militias themselves; I was asking about the organisation of militias.
>> No. 111987 ID: d7e6b8
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>>111974
>>111986
So, this word "Militia" is like a class indicator of force.

You can have a "Militia" sized force, organizational structure, and means... The moment you quantify yourself as a Militia you are then fully out of bounds for polite society and are subject to engagement on a military force level.

Less than ideal for engaging in control of a region or territory.

The best means of being a real militia is taking private security/contractual work by the government to police the populace. You can be as large as you need to be, use all the equipment needed to exert control, but you may never call yourself a militia. As that would cross the line into a military asset engaging in policing.

The entire point of a "Militia" is to be there, but not do anything except when called on by the government. The catch 22 here is that you can't exist as a militia without the government attempting to destroy you.

Shoot a little lower for the entry point when taking over the world. Assuming power does not mean walking up to the throne and having a seat. It is controlling the power (government) in the chair while sitting comfortably in the rear.

>irregular warfare, and it seems like virtually everything is about guerrilla war.
Bonus you can control this and "defeat yourself" to victory over the government.
>> No. 111988 ID: 6e9258
>>111985
>there's a reason why the Russians always murdered the local communist party members and people with humanities educations whenever they took over in Eastern Europe.
And what is the fucking reason to that, you dimwit? If there's no local communist party members and "people with education" then who organized legislation for independence of these republics at the point of dissolution of USSR?

>>111987
>The best means of being a real militia is taking private security/contractual work by the government to police the populace. You can be as large as you need to be, use all the equipment needed to exert control, but you may never call yourself a militia. As that would cross the line into a military asset engaging in policing.
Finally someone in this swamp is having any idea what is the difference between militia and an armed gang - especially on the part of organization and functioning. A similar organizations did exist i many communist countries, and in these countries they did take up a job of police.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militsiya
>> No. 111989 ID: 39b75e
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I'll be happy to echo the notion of starting a Neighborhood Watch as the stepping stone of a militia.

The biggest problem with militias, as some of the negative opinions here can attest, is that in a civilized western nation like the US they are almost entirely focused on LARPing as soldiers out in the backwoods and praying for a /pol/ level HAPPENING to happen so they can jerk off to Rambo fantasies. The fact of the matter is, 99.99% of the US doesn't even need a militia. Ask yourself this question and try to answer it 100% seriously: "What is happening in my hometown right now, that requires a group of civilians to arm up and fight like soldiers?"

Unless you maybe live in the worst part of Detroit, you know the answer is jack fucking nothing.

So then you get to the other part of the problem. So you have no NEED for a militia, but you WANT one. Alright, it's a free country. But what are you going to be doing? Militia groups tend to attract a certain type of idiot - the aforementioned LARPers. If you're not going to be swinging your dicks around talking about "fitan the gubmint" all the time, they're not going to be interested, and you're going to have a lot of trouble recruiting.

But what can you do instead? Well, lots of stuff. You can GET IN SHAPE, which is a big fucking deal. Nobody respects the fatass in old BDUs who plays at being a militiaman. Get /fit/. You can get smart. Get your guys together, pool some money, and get everyone trained up in low level EMT and combat medicine courses. Get your CCW licenses and take a few tactical training classes. Use your militia as an IPSC or 3-gun competition team and learn to shoot, move, and act together effectively. Have fun with it.

Now here's the rub: If your "militia" is just a bunch of guys gathering together and working out, learning valuable skills, and how to shoot, then you don't really have a need to call that a militia. By calling it something else, like "The OPERATOR Gun Club" you avoid the negative stigma of the militia label and a lot of the problems that go along with it. And you never know - you or one of your guys might save a life someday just by being in the right place at the right time, and with a little bit of training.

Shit Hits The Fan should be the last consideration when making a militia. Not the first or even a more distant number, but dead last. Order your priorities along the likelihood of problems you might actually meet in the real world, in your own neighborhood or town and you can be of service to your country. Leave the LARPers to their fantasy. And IF the unthinkable happens someday, then I guarantee you that you're going to come out of your time with way more valuable training and experience than those guys have. The rest will come naturally, if with a lot of heartbreak and casualties.
>> No. 111990 ID: 650fdd
>>111988
>And what is the fucking reason to that, you dimwit? If there's no local communist party members and "people with education" then who organized legislation for independence of these republics at the point of dissolution of USSR?

To eliminate local communist politicians and thinkers who would oppose Soviet rule, they were replaced by pliant bootlickers and toadies who would say "how high?" when Moscow said "jump."

The same thing happened in Vietnam after the South fell. A good number of Viet Cong were sent to reeducation camps alongside their former enemies, or were relocated to the North or the hill country where they couldn't cause trouble, simply because they weren't the right kind of communist.
>> No. 111991 ID: 278cbe
>>111990
>pliant bootlickers
>right kind of communist
Oh, of course, CIA knows better what the kind of communist is the right one.

You did not answer the important question, though, so fuck off.
>> No. 111996 ID: f5c8db
>>111991
pretty interesting how the CIA traveled back in time before it existed and made eastern European communists not want to have Russia loot their countries.
>> No. 111998 ID: 278cbe
>>111996
>loot their countries
You forgot about "rape their women" part, shill. No bonus for you.
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>>111998
>> No. 112006 ID: 562164
Forget the term "Militia." It undermines your legitimacy and orients your organization toward uselessness. There needs to be an actual purpose to get people together.

You can have an infromal social club.
You can have a political organization that happens to have a security branch. (Although you'll need the money, and a reason for existence beyond "having a militia")
You can also have other things.
But a plain old militia is a non-starter.
>> No. 112009 ID: 136a5b
>>112006
IMO the thing to do is start a monthly two gun competition like Karl from InRange.
We are all the militia, we just need to train more.

If you want to encourage people to do group training as well then do a team based thing occasionally where you practice something specific.

Obviously safety is more difficult to enforce with more than one person so you'll need to work that out, tiger valley rules seem pretty good.
>> No. 112014 ID: 82be3e
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>>112006
Sounds too hard, instead lets dress up like airsofters, pretend we're in the military and we're all 5 star generals, grow beards to blend in with the Muj' in middle America, and not exercise while posting on Facebook about how we're ready to water the tree of liberty.
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