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19142 No. 19142 ID: e7f332
Getting towards the end of the usable life of my tires, which are the bridgestone potenzas the car came with.

Considering getting these to replace them:


Other suggestions have included:

Continental Xtremecontact

Michelin Pilot Sports

Nitto somethings.

The reviews of the Driveguards look solid, any reason I shouldn't get them?
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>> No. 19143 ID: e7f332
A lot of the suggestions seem to be "high performance" which isn't really what I need.

Grand touring all-seasons are probably closer to what I actually want:


Does this make sense?
>> No. 19144 ID: 06a0fb
The driveguards have low treadwear coefficients. lower the number, the more the tire wears, lower the life of the tire but the better the grip.

So you need to decide if longer duration between replacement is more important, or if you want gripper tires with lower braking distances but which will probably only get 3-4 years between changes. And yeah, expect to get about 10-15,000 less than the claimed life of the tires due to weather, road conditions, climate, outdoor vs indoor storage, etc.

Also, you've got runflats selected for the Driveguards, with a big rubber inner wheel inside. Those are going to be stiffer on bumps and heavier overall compared to a non-runflat.

That said, I'd go with the Pirellis for the price:

700 A A treadwear rating, 70,000 manufacturer claimed life, good load rating.

Now, you say you've got the original equipment on there, which only has an 88V load and speed rating (1,230 pounds per tire at a maximum designed speed of 149 MPH). If you are willing to match to those same ratings you can probably find cheaper tires.
>> No. 19145 ID: e7f332

I also have read elsewhere that the wear rating on the Pirellis is bullshit and they wear much faster than advertised.

It's a tough choice if I'm looking at those 4 that tire rack compared directly, although based on their comparison I think the michelin comes out on top altogether.
>> No. 19146 ID: 5036fc

well if F1 is any indicator :3
>> No. 19155 ID: f69261
Don't really know much about tires but I have these:

And I like them.
>> No. 19156 ID: 06a0fb
I've used bridgestone for my last two tire changes, but that was more because as luck would have it, the place I usually have the work done at had huge sales on the models I wanted.

I know Continentals are popular here in Wisconsin, and with the very harsh winters the last 3 or 4 years here and the wildly fluctuating summer temps, I'd be willing to try them too.

Not know where you live or what weather you can expect over the next few years, I don't know how much my experiences can help you.
>> No. 19157 ID: e7f332

Well, as far as weather it's a bit of a toss up. I'm in northern virginia, so the past few years we've seen "polar vortices" bring cold and snow that would normally be indicative of a little further north.

I don't think it's enough to justify dedicated snow tires, but I do need all-seasons that won't shit the bed if there's suddenly a bunch of snow.
>> No. 19253 ID: 798a48
I just got some Michelin Defenders.
I liked them well enough when I had a Sunfire.
Costco should have 'em on sale next month.
>> No. 19254 ID: e7f332

Those don't seem to come in the size I need, which seems odd.

My big hangup for making a selection is that even tires with great reviews also have total shit reviews that are like TIRE EXPLODED AFTER 25 MILES DO NOT BUY... are people just retards or are there actually no tires that are consistently good?
>> No. 19255 ID: 4d1df1

No quality of tire will fix a lack of alignment.
>> No. 19256 ID: df12a0

Fortunately, OpChan's alignment is Chaotic Neutral.
>> No. 19268 ID: f2c4ed
Sometimes, Chaotic Good or Chaotic Evil.
>> No. 19270 ID: be89ee

Did you end up picking something? I drive a 2006 Subaru Outback and just picked up some Michelin-Premier A/S (225/55R17) tires at the start of summer. So far so good. They improved the quality of the ride considerably and I like the Costco warranty.
>> No. 19271 ID: 360825
This. Which reminds me... I need to get that done soon.

Alignment: Edgy gnomes with guns.

Elves or Drow?

I always figured a good portion of people here were rather lawful, had beards, and liked drinking a bunch.
>> No. 19272 ID: e7f332

Yeah I am going to order these:

>> No. 19273 ID: f2c4ed
Ehh, most people might be. I'm just not as "Law and Order" as most folks, having a bit of a penchant for being disorderly and doing what I feel has to be done instead of what I'm told to do.
>> No. 19285 ID: 8ae717
Quasi-unrelated question:

Which contributes more to grip: tire width or material / design?

Backstory being that my girlfriend and I recently purchased a toyota yaris with 185/60/15 tires that I suspect are not the grippiest available in that size as despite the modest power output I'm able to get them to lose grip pretty easily.

Having done a bit of looking I think I can go up to a 225mm wide tire (with new wheels) which would obviously mean a substantial increase in the size of the contact patch (and probably a much larger choice in tires). However, if simply swapping for some better tires of the same size as the old ones will get me to the point that the car can put all of it's measly 100hp to the ground then I'm not inclined to spend more money than I have to.
>> No. 19292 ID: 06a0fb
compound can have a significant change in grip in tires. All seasons are going to be less grippy than dedicated summer and winter tires, and softer compounds in all seasons are going to provide more grip at reduced life than harder wearing, longer life tires.

Shape of the tread can have an impact too, but you should be able to achieve more firm grip with different, sportier high quality tires without needing to change width.
>> No. 19370 ID: a18c5a
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When are these going to be cleared for road vehicles?
>> No. 19372 ID: fb3bdd
Never. They're noisy as fuck and don't work that well. Also, can't vary tyre pressure as needed.
>> No. 19373 ID: 2404e6
>Also, can't vary tyre pressure as needed
>vary tyre pressure
>> No. 19376 ID: 381ee6
>can't vary tyre pressure as needed.
Maybe that's because it's been besieged so many times?
>> No. 19388 ID: cfe73e
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The city of Tyre has been besieged many times throughout history:

Siege of Tyre (724–720 BC) by the Assyrians under Shalmaneser V and Sargon II
Siege of Tyre (701 BC) by the Assyrians under Sennacherib
Siege of Tyre (671 BC) by the Assyrians under Esarhaddon
Siege of Tyre (663 BC) by the Assyrians under Ashurbanipal
Siege of Tyre (586–573 BC) by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar II
Siege of Tyre (332 BC) by the Macedonians under Alexander the Great
Siege of Tyre (315–314 BC) by the Macedonians under Antigonus I Monophthalmus
Siege of Tyre (996–998) by the Fatimids
Siege of Tyre (1111–1112) by the Crusaders under Baldwin I of Jerusalem
Siege of Tyre (1124) by the Venetians
Siege of Tyre (1187) by the Ayyubids under Saladin
>> No. 19389 ID: cfe73e
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The Siege of Tyre was orchestrated by Alexander the Great in 332 BC during his campaigns against the Persians. The Macedonian army was unable to capture the city, which was a strategic coastal base on the Mediterranean Sea, through conventional means because it was on an island and had walls right up to the sea. Alexander responded to this problem by first blockading and besieging Tyre for seven months, and then by building a causeway that allowed him to breach the fortifications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tyre_(332_BC)

- A naval action during the siege. Drawing by André Castaigne, 1888-1889.
>> No. 19390 ID: cfe73e
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As Alexander could not attack the city from the sea, he built a kilometer-long causeway stretching out to the island on a natural land bridge no more than two meters deep.[5]

This causeway allowed his artillery to get in range of the walls, and is still there to this day, as it was made of stone. As the work came near the walls, however, the water became much deeper, and the combined attacks from the walls and Tyrian navy made construction nearly impossible. Therefore, Alexander constructed two towers 50 m (160 ft) high and moved them to the end of the causeway. Like most of Alexander’s siege towers, these were moving artillery platforms, with catapults on the top to clear defenders off the walls, and ballista below to hurl rocks at the wall and attacking ships. The towers were made of wood, but were covered in rawhide to protect them from fire arrows. Although these towers were possibly the largest of their kind ever made, the Tyrians quickly devised a counterattack. They used an old horse transport ship, filling it with dried branches, pitch, sulfur, and various other combustibles. They then hung cauldrons of oil from the masts, so that they would fall onto the deck once the masts burned through. They also weighed down the back of the ship so that the front rose above the water. They then lit it on fire and ran it up onto the causeway. The fire spread quickly, engulfing both towers and other siege equipment that had been brought up. The Tyrian ships swarmed the pier, destroying any siege equipment that hadn’t caught fire, and driving off Macedonian crews that were trying to put out the fires.
>> No. 19391 ID: cfe73e
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After this Alexander was convinced that he would not be able to take Tyre without a navy. Fortunately for him, his previous victory at Issus and subsequent conquests of the Phoenician city states of Byblos, Arwad and Sidon had caused the fleets of these cities, which composed most of the Persian navy, to come flocking to his banner. This immediately gave him command of a fleet of 80 ships. This coincided also with the arrival of another 120 war galleys sent by the king of Cyprus, who had heard of his victories and wished to join him. With the arrival of another 23 ships from the Greek city states of Ionia, Alexander had 223 galleys under his command, giving him command of the sea. Alexander then sailed on Tyre and quickly blockaded both ports with his superior numbers. He had several of the slower galleys, and a few barges, refit with battering rams. Finding that large underwater blocks of stone kept the rams from reaching the walls, Alexander had them removed by crane ships. The rams then anchored near the walls, but the Tyrians sent out ships and divers to cut the anchor cables. Alexander responded by replacing them with chains. The Tyrians launched another counterattack, yet were not so fortunate this time. They noticed that Alexander returned to the mainland at the same time every afternoon for lunch, at the same time much of his navy did. They therefore attacked at this time, but found Alexander had skipped his afternoon nap, and was able to quickly counter the sortie.
>> No. 19637 ID: ae87b5
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I put the Continental DWS 06s on, it's like a new car.

Old potenzas gave me about 5 years and 50k miles. Lots of highway and also shitty unmaintained backroads inna mountains.
>> No. 19639 ID: 06a0fb
average tire temp, road surface condition, and average wheel loading are going to do a lot to wear tires quickly.

Especially during summer driving months. Hot temps, poor road condition, high wheel loading = quickly worn tires.
>> No. 19640 ID: ae87b5

thanks for tirefacts, I didn't think getting 5 years of use out of the old ones was too bad.
>> No. 19696 ID: 5aaa06
>> No. 19697 ID: cfaec1
Tyre is an ancient city.

Tire is short for attire, meaning the metal dressing on the rim of spoked wheels, c1300. It was misspelled as tyre a few hundred years later and that became popular. Then the grammarians fixed it back to original in 1600, which is when America started saying it. And now retarded British schools are bringing the misspelling back again just to be different from America.

This is probably one of few cases where Americans are using proper English spelling.
>> No. 19749 ID: 223a41
I hope you got a deal on those, I bought my mom a set of Michellens for $410 installed after mail in rebate in that time frame. For future reference if you drive on a popular size, you can sometimes get slightly used tires for hella cheap. I got a set of good tires on steel wheels for for $300 for my expedition. F150s are as commons as Asian people in China out here, but still a great deal. Retail on that would have been about 1k.
>> No. 19761 ID: ae87b5

All told the tires were $500 and then I paid some russian guys $100 to balance them. I didn't find them cheaper anywhere else that wasn't sketchy OR would only sell them to me if I had them put on there at an exorbitant service charge.
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