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19599 No. 19599 ID: 008237
Hey fellas, I'm coming from another Chan, and have been recommended to you guys when in need of technical documents regarding military vehicles. It has been my life-long dream to construct a 1:1 functional Renault FT-17 and I will do it in before I leave this earth. Before I can begin acquiring any materials or even estimating costs, I need blueprints. I've searched all over the web for legitimate historical documents on the materials used in creating the FT-17 and come up with very little. Even my local libraries have little on the subject.

What I'm looking for are documents and blueprints that specify exact measurements of the materials used in the construction of the Renault FT-17, of any model. Even a picture of the outer hull with dimensions would be helpful. If you have any sort of material, it would greatly appreciated and you'd be helping someone fulfill their life's dream.

I'll post FT-17s for a while to keep the thread appropriate
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>> No. 19602 ID: 667a5a
That engine is huge, are you going to put in a huge engine?
>> No. 19603 ID: 008237
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>>19602
Despite it's size the engine only put out about 40 horsepower. The American version used a more powerful 100 horsepower engine. The former's power can be found in most large lawnmowers. If I can't find a genuine intact engine, gearbox, and transmission, I'll have to use an existing modern one.

If you're just being sarcastic, totally, I'm throwing in a V8 and nitro booster.
>> No. 19604 ID: 044fd0
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There's an American 6 ton Special Tractor at the Pennsylvania Military Museum in Boalsburg PA.
>> No. 19606 ID: 8cf639
>>19602
For a four cylinder, yeah. Considering the horsepower rating, and the physical size, I'd say it's probably around the 300 cubic inch mark.

>>19603

Since you've got about 3 feet between the side plates, a small block Chevy is about the biggest thing you'll be able to fit in there. No Chrysler hemi for you :D

But seriously, a car engine with a displacement of ~100ci or less would give the same amount of power as the original, provided you never took it over 3000 rpm. The torque wouldn't be there, though. So now we're back to the small block V8.

Then there's the problem of transmissions. Any RWD transmission is going to be fucking *long*.
You would need to have the tailshaft over top (out under) of the axle and use a chain box to drop it down to the axle pinion.
Or you could use either a Volkswagen bus transmission, or an Oldsmobile Toronado tranny.
The Toronado transmission would need to have it's ring gear flipped, otherwise you'd have one forward gear and three reverse (kek)

It's doable. Very doable.
>> No. 19607 ID: 963c4b
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>>19604
M1917 Renault FT-17 6 Ton Special Tractor - The US accepted an order to build 1,200 Renault FT-17 light tanks. The American-built 6 ½-ton M1917 light tank was a copy of the French Renault. It had a maximum speed of 5.5 miles per hour and could travel 30 miles on its 30-gallon fuel capacity. The French Renault light tank and the British Mark VIII heavy tank used by the AEF Tank Corps and by the Experimental Mechanized Force contained severe technical limitations. With maximum speeds of less than 6 mph, these tanks were hardly able to keep up with the infantry when crossing a shell-holed battlefield. When separated from the infantry, the tanks were vulnerable to energy heavy weapons and could not communicate with supporting artillery. These technical limitations, as well as numerous mechanical problems, justifiably confined the World War I tank to an infantry support role.

Before tanks were a part of the Army, this tank helped the U.S. in many campaigns in Europe during the war. On loan from the French government, Gen. George Patton, then a captain serving under Gen. John Pershing, was one of the first to learn how to operate this type of tank.

Only about 5,000 of these tanks were made and the design and capabilities proved invaluable to many different countries in Europe. Their design boasted the first tank with a full traverse 360-degree rotating turret. It is a light vehicle, which weighs approximately 7,000 pounds. A two-man crew - a driver and a gunner, operate the vehicle. The modern configuration of the tank is still used in tanks today; the driver sits in the front and the engine is in the rear.
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There are only four or five of these tanks left in existence. The Fort George G. Meade Museum is known for its extensive collection of World War I exhibits and artifacts. This is partly because the installation was founded as Camp Meade in 1917 during the height of the "war to end all wars." The museum's prized possession is a World War I Renault FT-17 battle tank nicknamed the "Five of Hearts." The tank was brought back from the war, restored completely and now sits in a place of honor inside the museum.

Remnants of other countries lie ruin covering the Afghanistan landscape. Many countries have passed through this land in their efforts of domination, each leaving something behind. Many of the items are being used, while most litter the sides of the road and decorate various junkyards. There is one particular item of interest for the United States. It is a French Renault FT/17 tank, found in December 2002 by armor officer Maj. Robert Redding. Now that the tanks were found, they have to get to the states. The first step was getting permission from Afghanistan. Redding went to Afghanistan's Deputy Minister of Defense General Abdul Rashid Dostum. Dostum was also the commander of northern Afghanistan. He was more than willing. He considered this as a gift for what the US has done for this country. Dostum allowed one of the two tanks to be taken out of Afghanistan. With the help of Delbarre and historians from the 326th Military History Detachment, a reserve unit from Columbus, Ohio, the best tank was chosen. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1917-lt.htm

- Six Ton Tank M1917 tank at Canadian War Museum.
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The M1917 was the USA's first mass-produced tank, entering production shortly before the end of World War I. It was a license-built near-copy of the French Renault FT, and was intended to arm the American Expeditionary Forces in France, but US manufacturers failed to produce any in time to take part in the War. Of the 4,440 ordered, about 950 were eventually completed. They remained in service throughout the 1920s but did not take part in any combat, and were phased out during the 1930s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_light_tank
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>> No. 19611 ID: 008237
>>19606

When I assess the cost, I'll be selecting mechanical parts that are as close to the real deal as possible. The engine and transmission don't need to be exact replicas, but they do need to have similar engine power and torque at the same RPMs, as well as a similar gearbox and transmission. I'm not a mechanic, but I'm still young, and this is something I'll doing over the course of my life, and am willing to learn.

My ultimate goal is to create a working early-model FT-17 that functions similarly and perhaps donate it to a museum that does live showings of their functioning vehicles, like Bovington Tank Museum.

before I can begin anything though, I need blueprints. If anyone has any, or knows where I can acquire some, I would be eternally grateful.
>> No. 19612 ID: f013be
>>19603
>If you're just being sarcastic, totally, I'm throwing in a V8 and nitro booster.
I actually want to see this

Also put spikes on the tracks

Then it can probably climb trees and shit like a tank squirrel

bat guano stay away
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>>19599

I have a feeling getting ahold of the actual blueprints may be problematic... just age and wars inbetween have a way of making those things disappear. Buuut it is likely someone tried to reverse-engineer those dimensions since then, so that might be a place to start. Modeler's forums might be a good place to check for accurate scale drawings; some of the higher-end model kit makers have full detailed/scaled interiors as well.

World of Tanks forums might be another place to check, funny enough. Especially for details of interior spaces, armor thickness, etc.

Good luck! My own loooooong-term dream project is to build a StuG III for shits and giggles and a place to hang my relatives' mementos of being a StuG gunner. Sure it'll probably never happen in my case but it never hurts to dream rite?
>> No. 19690 ID: 50cd85
>>19599

"Hayes Otoupalik".
Get in touch with him, he owns one. Or rather the U.S. version, the 1917 Six ton .

Also, I saw this same thread in WoT, and I gave the same reply.
>> No. 21921 ID: d1c8eb
Perdón la ignorancia y no se si el hilo sigue activo.
Pero una buena oportunidad para poder conocer las dimensiones del tanque podría ser buscar modelos 3d ya realizados sobre el mismo.

En esta pagina esta a la venta un modelo del mismo donde encontrando algunas medidas se pueda llevar a escala y obtener en detalle los planos.

Es una sugerencia que tal vez funcione.

Link:https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/military/renault-ft17-french-light-tank


Es un hermoso tanque y yo también me enamore de el, pero en mi país es casi utópico poder imaginar en construir uno de esos

Saludos!
>> No. 21923 ID: 61e76a
>>21921

Forgive ignorance and I do not know if the thread is still active.
But a good opportunity to know the dimensions of the tank could be to look for 3d models already made on it.

On this page is for sale a model of the same where finding some measures can be scaled and get in detail the plans.

It's a suggestion that might work.

Link: https: //www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/vehicle/military/renault-ft17-french-light-tank


It is a beautiful tank and I also fall in love with it, but in my country it is almost utopian to be able to imagine building one of those

Regards!

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