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No. 56299 ID: 2b949e hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
  So the RSS demo has been out and, holy shit, this game looks amazing.

Do you remember fondly the terrorist hunts from Vegas? What if I told you it's back for Siege? And they added suicide bombers and utilized destructive environments?
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>> No. 56940 ID: 82a3e8
>>56938
Learn cover vs concealment. I ran into a few rounds of all shield guys and blowing holes in walls to the side of em was totes. Also dont spray at the front, peek and corner until the put that shield sideways and blap em in the face.

I kind of wish I could get this game for free with hardware or something (that I dont need to, and wont be) upgrading.

Friend was trying to decide between ass creed syndicate and siege. Hes probably choosing siege.

>>56936
Thats how I felt. I was very surprised by how solid of a game it was, it just didnt show me enough in the beta to net my pre order bucks.
>> No. 56941 ID: 0ea1a5
>>56936

I caved in and got it and every T-Hunt game I've had is insanely different each time. Also they're supposedly adding Canadians after New Years.
>> No. 56985 ID: 6e1786
>>56941

I find t hunt absoloute fucking shit. Th difficulty increase means you have to shoot enemies 15 fucking times to kill them....and that it.
>> No. 56986 ID: 6e1786
>>56941

I find t hunt absoloute fucking shit. Th difficulty increase means you have to shoot enemies 15 fucking times to kill them....and that it.
>> No. 57054 ID: 7eee47
Was on sale so ended up buying it, not sure I've ever found so much enjoyment in a game that I completely suck at..


No. 56877 ID: 963c4b hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
  Still break out the old console games? The graphics look terrible by today's standards, but some games stand the test of time.
Such as Einhänder, a scrolling spaceship shooter game from 1997. The game received positive reviews from critics, who praised its gameplay, soundtrack and graphics, but felt the game's short duration and lack of two-player mode were minor flaws. Despite these flaws, in 2007, IGN ranked it first in a top ten of the best 2D space shooters, noting that the game's 3D graphics made it "substantially better" than most of the other, sprite-based shoot 'em up games of the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einh%C3%A4nder
I have seen copies of Einhander go for more than a hundred dollars, but the prices have been coming down. Sony released this game on the Japan PSN Store as a download, but not for the North American or European stores (same for the Bushido Blade PS1 games). WHY?? I would love to play this again on the PSP or PS Vita handhelds! I had to satisfy myself by just playing it on my original release PS3 that will play PS1 & PS2 games. Amazingly, someone uploaded a PS3 save for Einhander: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197217-einhander/saves
Einhander Playthrough - Stage 1 https://youtu.be/Lj8b0ROOI9A
CGRundertow EINHANDER for PS1 / PlayStation Video Game Review https://youtu.be/Th-EP7OMAmw
Classic Game Room - EINHANDER review for PlayStation part 1 https://youtu.be/ILpea4iBU2g
Classic Game Room - EINHANDER review for PlayStation part 2 https://youtu.be/QGpHUyMN06A
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>> No. 56929 ID: 8a98b2
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Fuck yes, excellent game. I traded an AK mag and $10 to someone on arfcom for my copy. I remember having the demo of it on one of the interactive discs, always wanted the game.
>> No. 56933 ID: 90a126
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>>56929
Awwww shit nigga, is dat sum Red Faction?

Man I freaking loved that game. Really though whole damn series but the 1st was probably the best. Like a video game version of Total Recall in some ways and hole digging simulator in others.

I'd love for it and the 2nd to get a HD remake. I don't even know who the fuck has the rights to the Red Faction series after THQ shit the bed.
>> No. 56934 ID: 963c4b
  >>56933
Fun shooter with destructible environments.
Classic Game Room - RED FACTION review for PS2 part 1 https://youtu.be/9Uppaz0T1wQ
Part 1 of 2. Classic Game Room reviews RED FACTION for the Playstation 2 PS2 video game console. This is the first and best review of Red Faction to feature a parody of the upcoming RedFaction game on the PS3 and Xbox 360 called Going Green Faction. The parody is funny because I felt like getting that keyword in here, funny that is. Ha ha. Red Faction is one of the best first person shooters on the PS2 and is regarded as one of the best of the shooter genre. FPS FTW as you kids say. You play as parker and slaughter Ultor without mercy, the evil big corporation keeping the miners on Mars down. Red Faction plays a lot like Total Recall in that it takes place on Mars, features oppressed miners and has lots of shooting and explosions. Rumor has it that there is a new Red Faction being released sometime in 2008 or 2009 by Volition and THQ called Red Faction 3 Guerrilla or something along those lines. Will it be on PS3, Xbox 360 and Atari 7800? Will it have multiplayer, footage scenes and animations, gamer points, 3d environments, geo mod technology, next gen things like the word next gen and HD visuals girls in bikinis? Whatever, I just want the RAIL GUN back and the ability to go through Ultor and raise hell. We'll have to wait and see what they do with it and if it's better than the amazing original, RED FACTION.
>> No. 56935 ID: 963c4b
  Classic Game Room - RED FACTION for PS2 review part 2 https://youtu.be/9jST2wDT0pI
>> No. 56963 ID: e982e0
>I have seen copies of Einhander go for more than a hundred dollars

?????WHAT?

Shit let me dig out my copy holy fuck I need money to live.


No. 56939 ID: adbbc9 hide watch quickreply [Reply]
  fuck this better come out on PC
>> No. 56942 ID: 7443a9
not that excited

FF7 has a pretty shit plot. Every time the writers realized they wrote themselves into a hole they didn't back up and re-evaluate. Nope they just went with "cuz reasons" and pressed on.

Also Aeris was bland as fuck. I'm glad she is dead.

I'm waiting for FF12 to be on PS4. Now that was a good Final Fantasy game.
>> No. 56943 ID: 254d85
Supposedly Steam leaked some information hinting to a PC release of Final Fantasy 10.
>> No. 56944 ID: 419ccc
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>Final Fantasy VII Remake is multi-part to avoid cutting content, says director

https://games.yahoo.com/news/final-fantasy-vii-remake-multi-125614854.html

And all the hype I had for this game just died. Fuck Square Enix!
>> No. 56945 ID: 798a48
I never finished the game nor did I finish FF8, but my understanding is that most of the the serious following with FF7 has less to do with shipping or plot, but actually the gameplay mechanics themselves. It's part of the reason why the Bravely Default series has done as well as it has.

Recycling the same late-PS2 quality models with slightly better skins and cinematics is fine, but recycling the same Kingdom Hearts/FF13/Crisis Core -ish gameplay with control only over one character is rather half-assed. I'd blame Nomura if I was more vested in the intellectual property but at least he's actually doing his job.
>> No. 56947 ID: 93e48d
>>56942
>ff12
You dont' need to tell the entire world you have shit taste


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56839 No. 56839 ID: b47376 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So, what have you bought so far?

I bought:
- Elite: Dangerous
- BroForce
- Dying Light

I intend to see how low Age of Decadence will go & snap that one up too. Atm it's only -15%.
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>> No. 56862 ID: f44962
>>56855
You know that all the other stores are holding their sales now as well. check Greenmangaming or similar if you're boycotting steam.
>> No. 56863 ID: d8ab9d
>>56862
The only game I want now is Escape from Tarkov, anyway.
>> No. 56899 ID: 254d85
I got:
The Spiderweb Software bundle, I didn't realize Vogel had been releasing them on Steam. I remember having a ton of fun playing Exile and Nethergate on my dad's 1998-period Motorola Power Mac. For the price it's a amazing amount of content.

Hyperdimension Neptunia, god save me from this anime.

Trails in the Sky, apparently this is actually the best JRPG on Steam or something.

I wanted to pick up Pillars of Eternity, the new edition of Divinity: Original Sin, and Witcher 3, but I'm thinking I'll wait for the Christmas sale and hope for a deeper discount. Similarly I've been interested in Stonehearth, Clockwork Empires, and The Long Dark, but they're still early access.

I feel like I've reached the point where I have everything I want and I'm just waiting for new stuff to go down in price.
>> No. 56926 ID: 8a98b2
Skyrim Legendary Edition
Tomb Raider (2013)
Metro 2033/Last Light
>> No. 56931 ID: 06a0fb
any of you elite newbs wants a good rares trade route, I can post one.

Make you a few mill in under an hour in a Cobra or Asp.


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  Who would make a good Fallout movie? My pick would be George Miller.
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>> No. 56928 ID: b47376
>>56925

Correct, I got my time line wrong.
Activision bought Vivendi (& daughter Sierra) and thus became Activision | Blizzard holding company after Arcanum was out. My bad.
>> No. 56930 ID: 8504f6
>>56920
>>56928
Anyway, Godverdomme what did you think of Pillars of Eternity?
>> No. 56932 ID: b47376
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>>56930
>Anyway, Godverdomme what did you think of Pillars of Eternity?

I played it through twice, but I can't say I was impressed. I doubt I'll play it again.

I was way more impressed by Age Of Decadence. While it has many shortcomings, it's probably the best RPG released over the past few years.
>> No. 56937 ID: adbbc9
NONONONO!

https://www.tumblr.com/video/ctn-nope/134595591929/700/
>> No. 56991 ID: c7fc1a
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>>56442
Tony-award winning musical director Sam Gold presents the Broadway musical-comedy, FALLOUT 4, featuring Alan Cumming as THE VAULTDWELLER. Premieres November 10th, 2016 at the historic St. James Theater.


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52413 No. 52413 ID: ca3240 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
If you aren't playing this, you should be.

Sure, it's in early access/alpha, and normally I don't go for that. But a friend got me playing it, and holy crap is it ridiculous amounts of fun.

You wake up naked, on a beach, with nothing but a rock. You then have to gather and build until you don't suck. All the while avoiding other people, because you can't really trust anyone not to bash your head in, just to get the measly supplies you MIGHT have on your person.

The thing I like most about this game: death matters. If you die, you lose everything. If someone takes your base, you lick your wounds and build a new one. Nothing holds your hand and saves your progress in this game, and it's brutal sometimes.

Again, it is in alpha, and they are working on it all the time, but it's still damned fun, and probably the best $19.99 I've ever spent on steam.
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>> No. 52446 ID: ca3240
>>52444
>it will win you the game the 10% of the time it doesn't get you murdered

It's kind of like life that way. Lol

>>52441
>Geeks With Games
I've actually seen some of your videos. Funny stuff, keep it up.

It's always weird when life, the internet and a chan all cross paths. Kind of like the time one of my friends was drooling over Precious in some cosplay outfits and I was like "hey, I kind of know that chick's husband on the internet". He called bullshit, until I showed him a damn-it-rudy thread.
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They put some pretty sweet stuff in the patch this week. Most notably:
-Rad towns are back
-Blueprint system has been added
-Airdrops work
-and they added the shovel AK

I'm excited to jump in and play, but I have to work this week. :/
>> No. 52524 ID: a3c7ab
>>52489
Hell yeah. I want a shovel AK. What ammunition does it use?
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>>52524
It's not acutely called an AK, they call it an "assault rifle", and it uses the bolt action rifle's round, which already existed and happen to be labeled 5.56.

But I forgive them for this blasphemy because there are only three types of ammo right now (pistol, rifle, and shotgun. And also because, well... shovel AK.
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Old bump but is anyone playing this or want to get into it?


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  Anyone else playing Hard West? Turn based strategy, system is a lot like Xcom, but Wild West setting with some demonic abilities and such.

Kind of reminds me of a cross between Darkest Dungeon and Xcom
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>> No. 56799 ID: 7eee47
>>56797
>>56798
yeah I didn't want to spend the money so just sold a bunch of CS:GO skins..worth it!

Really like the different battle types they have, like ambush where you basically start out surrounded, or when you attack a neutral party, they won't react until you attack them, so you can take a couple turns to get set up in good positions
>> No. 56807 ID: bdae0c
Got this wishlisted as well.

Looks fun. I think I'll buy it for myself in the next few days since I can't justify buying fallout 4. This is more affordable to feel ok with.
>> No. 56815 ID: 4a55cd
I played it yesterday, beat the first scenario and started on the one with the scientist going mad, but when I came back to it today it was gone, so I must not have saved. Have to say, I'm not a big fan of the supernatural elements, and I would have preferred a straight Western instead of steampunk rifles and spoopy monsters.
Also slightly irritated the Navy revolver does more damage the normal SAA, but whatever.
>> No. 56816 ID: 4a55cd
I played it yesterday, beat the first scenario and started on the one with the scientist going mad, but when I came back to it today it was gone, so I must not have saved. Have to say, I'm not a big fan of the supernatural elements, and I would have preferred a straight Western instead of steampunk rifles and spoopy monsters.
Also slightly irritated the Navy revolver does more damage the normal SAA, but whatever.
>> No. 56817 ID: 4a55cd
>>56816
>>56815
Fuck, sorry for the double post, I didn't think it went the first time


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56508 No. 56508 ID: b47376 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
So, I've played Vermintide for a few hours now. Gameplay is decent & the game is quite fun once you get weapons that suit your play style. That is if your team isn't full of retards that don't understand that the game is made so that if you try to solo or fail to cooperate, you end up dead. You'd think that'd be obvious, but sadly, it isn't.

There's still a few mission ending bugs it seems, especially when playing with a bot in the party.

I'm currently playing the human soldier. He can tank, but still does a good deal of damage. I'm using mace+shield & a sniper handgun. The sniper handgun is great, since it allows you to one shot kill gatling rats etc if you score a headshot.

If you like L4D and like first person melee, be sure to give this a go.

http://www.vermintide.com/
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>> No. 56520 ID: 0d5577
  >>56510
Don't worry Brother Muhreen, because Space Hulk COOP Fps is in the making!
>> No. 56521 ID: b47376
After Patch 1.0.1, I now had a lighting glitch in the tunnels under the city. Wasn't too bad. Was just very white lighting, but not blindingly so.

Also noticed that weapons don't always display in the skaven's hands.

Anyway, starting to get some pretty rad loot. Sadly, you don't control what you're getting in any meaningful way.
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Turn out my first blue (rare) item is pretty damn good. It's a big warhammer for the soldier which does armor penetrating damage both in the normal & charged mode, and as bonus features has 9% chance to restore 10% health on kill as well as having a chance that the push back action when blocking will not cost any stamina.
The hammer makes tanking harder compared to my shield build, but I can eat through stormvermin in mere seconds.

I've had less luck with my greens. I've gotten virtually duplicate greens twice in a row.

Couple that hammer to my rifle with headshot perk, and you easily take down most armored foes. Except the ogre of course, which remains a pain if your party isn't up to snuff.

Tips for getting off to a good start:
1) Start off with easy difficulty to get some loot & understand game mechanics. Usually I never start games on easy, but here it gives you a better start.
2) Understand the place your character has in the game. It might be good for the missiob stats to go for most kills, but if you're the dwarf, you're really there to try to control the swarm of vermin so the nukers can do their thing. If you're the bright wizard or way watcher, don't go rushing headlong into large melee skirmishes instead of allowing your tanks to go first.
3) In a mission, open all crates you can find, shoot all lootbag carrying vermin first and try to get through the mission as fast as possible. This should yield you extra loot dice.
4) Grimoires consume you & your party's health (for that mission), in return for extra loot dice. This is most likely fine in easy or normal, but don't be an asshole using grimoires on hard without asking your team first.
5) Carrying loot tomes prevents you from holding medical items. If your buddy is carrying a loot tome, tell him where to find healing stuff or even better heal him when needed.
6) On easy & normal, it's fine to draw in Stormvermin patrols. But on difficulties above that, it's bad form since it can easily wipe your party unless you coordinate extremely well. Since you hear them from very far away, you have no excuse. Remember that when initially pulled, they tend to be grouped tightly and pretty vulnerable to firebombs etc.
7) Stick together. At least form pairs. Never solo.
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My god this game gets frustrating if your team is not properly focused and doesn't have its priorities straight. The fundamentals are really not that difficult... But it seems individuality is inbred into so many gamers and that so many games have given them a sense of invulnerability when doing their own thing that they just can't seem to get it into their damn heads that if you do not keep close to your buddies, you or them are dead meat. 2 by 2 is the very absolute minimum in all situations.
>> No. 56811 ID: b47376
  On the 3rd of December, a free DLC will be launched with a new loot tweaking system etc.

Also rumours of 2 additional maps, but that is unconfirmed.


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51788 No. 51788 ID: a2bcb4 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
1.45 Dev server already up. They're currently doing a slow roll out of American tanks (two to start with, one reserve and one Tier I) for testing. More to follow.

New damage and flight models. Planes getting x-ray mode like tanks. A few new aircraft (mainly tanks, however). Planes wings can now be shot/torn off at various stages, from just losing a the very wing-tip to having no wing at all.

If like Ground Forces, this is going to be a big patch for you.
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At the end of the game there were 4-5 teammates going after a Swordfish, and I was like, should I do it? Climbed up and fired one short burst to get kill 23. Lol.

Arcade mode( of course) and did most of the work in an A-36.
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The recent patch roused me out of my War Thunder break and I'm back in action. Just in time to witness the broken premium plane of this patch, Gaijin must have not been happy with the low sales figures of the XP-55, the thing is an absolute beast now.

-No compression effects
-14G turns at 500+kph IAS, no problems, the wings are made of a titan stalinium alloy
-Turns better than zeroes and then you pop the landing flaps and laugh at the biplanes
-BR is laughably low due to the long stint as the FM buttmonkey

If you want to seal club in an American UFO look no farther
>> No. 56795 ID: 667a5a
>>56776
It used to be really shit, I was eating them for breakfast in my P38
>> No. 56827 ID: 995cb5
>>56776
That thing is a seal clubber.
>> No. 58951 ID: 45e3a1
  an ancient thread, I know. But rather than create a new thread I figured it would be best to bump this one.

While fewer seem to be playing WT, this year's April Fools Day patch is as good as previous years and is pretty fun.

They Added the T-90, Leopard2, AH-64, and Mi-24 Hind. Yeah, modern tanks and attack helicopters. Not sure if this is there way to test the water for a modern WT game or what, but right now you can play with the new things in an event battle.

Helicopter controls are a bit wonky and their hit detection is pretty weird, but they can be pretty deadly little glass cannons with ATGMs, rockets, and cannon fire. The Modern tanks come with stabilizers allowing them to be relatively accurate while moving, smoke grenade launchers (G key) [already my favorite feature], and a pretty good variety of ammunition. The T-90 has gun launched ATGMs which are pretty effective against particularly dense chopper pilots. Leopard 2 has fewer ammo options but feels a bit more effective in terms of armor and sabot rounds.


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  http://www.pcgamer.com/rising-thunder-a-pc-only-fighting-game-from-experts-in-the-genre/
http://www.risingthunder.com/

Rising Thunder's limited alpha has now opened up a bit. It's a pretty quick download. I've just installed it and haven't played it, but from everything I've read and watched about it, this might be just what the poster who was talking about the difficulty of combos and executions needs.

You get three buttons corresponding to the strength of your normals, three special buttons, a throw button, and a super button. You have a 'loadout' of three special moves that you can pick 'n' mix from for each character that you can reconfigure between rounds, plus you can switch between two extra functions, one being a limited smash attack or a dash/jump cancel. Think of FAs from Street Fighter being separated from DCs. The round scheme itself is best of three, which offsets cheese/gimmick strats against less experienced players somewhat.

The following copy/pasted from 8ch /v/:

>Edge - Zero, has a sword, short range projectiles, literally unpunishable slide that gets him through fireballs and the neutral game entirely, amazing pressure tools that almost never let up unless he wants to avoid a DP, and a reasonable DP of his own.

>Chel - kind of a mix between chun li and ryu, fullscreen projectiles that recharge when they go off-screen/connect, but with a large recovery window in which you can be punished, a DP that can lead into a knockdown for free, and some leg kick thing that is fairly safe unless they misjudge the distance and wind up going over your head if you're crouching in which case you can go for a big punish. Normals are great for spacing/footsies.

>Talos - Zangeif and Abel together, just a stable grappler. Lacks a DP, but has Abel's air throw and armor on a big boot with a great hitbox to make up for it. Pretty good stagger pressure is possible on knockdown, and a little dash punch that leads into a knockdown on hit and linkable from jabs, but is punishable on block/whiff.

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>> No. 56463 ID: c3579d
>>56460
that would be Fruity Rudy.
>> No. 56516 ID: 798a48
  Ends tomorrow at 4PM. It's not the same as PS4 where they left in all the characters as they were revealed, but at least server connectivity isn't nearly as bad.

Generally everyone's LPs and LKs (crouching or standing) don't seem to be viable for footsies anymore, and are purely meant only as part of a combo. The return of the crush counters is fucking awesome.

Mika is the first choice I'm focusing on since I want to develop a pocket pick outside of maining Ryu. Other than her peach attack having a much faster recovery this time, I don't know anything about how she played in Alpha. Her EX Peach can be a pretty good wakeup, and so's any of her qcb command grabs in a mirror match if the opponent wants to go for a grab, but where she really shines is corner control. Her forward-MP can be confirmed into an Irish whip to reverse positions if she's the one who's trapped, and if the opponent's close enough to the wall it creates she can follow-up with a two-footed dropkick into sweep or something similar on the rebound. Air grab is pretty good for escape too. I love her Marvel-style V-Trigger.

I haven't touched Karin, but a lot of her shit is so safe and easy it's unfair. Considering Japanese players have been clamoring for her comeback for quite a long time, I don't think she's going to be nerfed even after beta. The only con I can guess with her moveset is that she doesn't seem to have much for aerial options. By contrast, Rashid is pretty dirty and unsafe. Despite Ono's teaser, he doesn't play like Cody at all.

Chun-Li's got the lowest HP out anyone, maybe even Cammy, but that's likely to change just like everything else, especially when everyone else's health is 1000 or 1050. She's got the most built-in pokes that move her forward, but it seems that next to Nash she's the weakest character so far even accounting for her being meant for pixie play.

Nash was on a tenuous hold when it was just him, Birdie, Ryu, and Chun, but in light of the other characters he's going to need some serious improvement. Omega SFIV has been a good indicator of where things were going to go in V's beta, and the fact that Omega DeeJay is his precursor, they need to look closer at his moveset in Alpha.

Bison is definitely OP, with his V-Trigger allowing him to pull off his specials without charging, so the inputs become a lot like V-Reversals minus having to block first. Speaking of charge, I think the changes to Vega in changing his Barcelona to DP inputs, the ability to put away his claw, and his extra command grab when unclawed make him a lot less gimmicky and I think he will be more likely to make appearances in tourneys than he did in IV. Glad to see they fixed his face a bit.

But they didn't fix Ken's face nor his banana hair. He plays a little bit lik
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>> No. 56532 ID: 798a48
I watched a friend's Mika beat NY's Finest's Karin 2-0 and he disconnected the instant the game was supposed to tally fight money and league points. Sure, it'll probably be wiped with the beta anyway, but that's not the damn point.

What you think about his art or his photoshop or whatever is one thing, but that's supposed to have no bearing upon him as a player.

This guy is supposed to be a visible member of the FGC. I now have no respect for him game-wise online or offline. If this is the kind of garbage that's supposed to represent the east coast scene, then no wonder Spooky's ditched NLBC to stream WNF.
>> No. 56537 ID: 8af0c6
  Dhalsim confirmed, with beard and turban.

Six more characters to be unlockable after initial release.

Yoga
>> No. 56780 ID: 95d8c0
Arizona's first major event was last weekend. I haven't gotten around to watching top 16, but AZ fell with Velociraptor coming in at 3rd. Visiting warriors Tommygunz's Hakan in 2nd from Texas, and best of the West coast Snake Eyez reigning supreme.


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