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11893 No. 11893 ID: 555ae6 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]

I might soon be sent to the Airborne School (NATO combatant here). Now here's my question to the graduates:

1. is it physically demanding?
2. any words of advice?
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>> No. 11951 ID: 74b6fe
From what i hear it's easy as fuck high-speed

All you got to do is jump, gravity does the rest of the work
>> No. 11952 ID: 74b6fe
From what i hear it's easy as fuck high-speed

All you got to do is jump, gravity does the rest of the work
>> No. 11971 ID: 7d63bf
I went in 09

1: not really that demanding if you can run, besides PT in the morning you run everywhere, every time; and you run to the airfield for your jumps

2: Just go through the motions, the school isn't hard, and you'll get off at a reasonable time everyday and weekends. Jumping is extremely easy and your first five are a joke, only 10 people in the air at once. I wouldn't drink at the bar that is like 1 block away from the barracks, but that's just me
>> No. 12686 ID: 1304b9
Went back in '12. School isn't hard but just make sure you can pass an Army PFT.
>> No. 12693 ID: 1240df
went to airborne school in 2014.
over weight girls pass it, if you can run a 8 minute mile you'll do fine.
just don't freak out on the bird and its a 3 week vacation

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12672 No. 12672 ID: 421161 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
Am I fucked up in the head because I actually preferred my actual Iraq deployment over the fucking three ring circus that garrison duties and training often are?
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>> No. 12679 ID: 1bef10
HA HA HA just wait until you separate and get into the civilian world.

You'll be begging to be back in fucking garrison.
>> No. 12680 ID: 1bef10
...god please someone start another war so this nightmare ends
>> No. 12682 ID: a19011
Bro of mine left the Army because "it got boring". He is now works as a road-layer...
>> No. 12683 ID: 82a3e8
I know it sounds morbid, selfish, psychotic whatever.

Many people feel the same way you do.
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He makes a comic for everything.

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12228 No. 12228 ID: 53f71d hide watch quickreply [Reply]
So next week I need to pick my final branches for the Army since it's my senior year.

I've narrowed it down to MI (which is probably out of my placement on the order of merit list), Armor, Infantry, and EOD officer (branch Ordnance with the potential to be pre-selected for EOD - but if not selected you're gonna be Ordnance)

Does anyone have any experience with these branches? Pros and cons? If I want to go and do a branch like CA or PSYOP (or is it MISO?) which of these branches would be most beneficial?

Thanks operators
>> No. 12229 ID: 2404e6
I dont think there is many of us with officer experience in the military.

Id say it depends on if you are making the military a career. If you want it to be a career I would suggest a combat arms (Armor or Infantry) or MI.
>> No. 12512 ID: 0dcdc8
I have been told that you never get your top pick, always your second choice and rarely your third.

That is the extent of my knowledge on this.
>> No. 12687 ID: 135da5
Try sucking your PMS's dick, that might help

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12685 No. 12685 ID: ed940c hide watch quickreply [Reply]
Any 1811 or 1801's here?
E5 with 2.5 years left in. And I'm interested. Intel background. How should I set myself up for this line of work? Any input is welcome.

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10082 No. 10082 ID: af2e4c hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
I just want to be a solider. I have all kinds of health shit.

mental: bipolar diagnosis when young; seeing therapist; no medication, also went to rehab for alcoholism at 19, sober since.
physical: astigmatism, partial tear of rotator cuff, asthma
criminal: arrested for shoplifting at 18 but charges were dismissed and sealed.

Can I ever join any military? I am fit otherwise, I can run for miles, I can lift etc.

also i am an ameriburger. I know i cannot operate with the US armed forces.
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>> No. 12543 ID: 5073b3
I wanted to be a Marine. Didn't take me. Meh, no big deal. Nut up and do something with your life fgt.
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>> No. 12613 ID: 0dcdc8
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Your stack of waivers to join would look like this.

Of course you could just opt not to disclose anything and get in as long as you do not go for a job that requires a clearance you would be fine.
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Almost every job requires a clearance of some sort. Also lying at MEPS fucks you once you try to do a VA claim when you are getting out. The QTC guys are damn good at figuring out if something is actually service related or if it was preexisting and you lied about it. Their job is to be merciless with their reports to the VA as well. I actually kinda admire them.

I DEP'd in 2010 and by the time I went to boot camp in 2011 my waiver stack looked like that. Half was drug related (not criminal convictions) because I was honest about my usage history and the other was related to my acquittal (the USMC views an acquittal of a felony as being that you are actually guilty of a felony BUT they couldn't present enough evidence to convict). I got in on the very end of the "WE'LL WAIVE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING" bandwagon. Had I waited even another year I wouldn't have gotten in.

The good thing about being honest was that doing my SF86 was stress free. The government already knew that I smoked pot, dropped acid, ate A LOT of shrooms, snorted coke, and chased the dragon. It as actually funny because I can be open about it at work and people are like "bro you can't be saying stuff like that" and I'm like "bro the DOD already knows".
>> No. 12684 ID: ab4830
How to operate without being mil:

Become a cop (despite your history you have a better chance of this happening than the military, though it is still pretty slim)

Become a firefighter (seriously we never sit down to admit these guys are fucking amazing)

Become a paramedic (you'll do more important shit than most medical jobs in any branch and deal with a wide range of scenarios, from mild CPR cases to being shot at potentially, money can suck in some areas but can be fairly decent in the right markets)

If cop is impossible just like soldier, there is always bail bonds. Getting into that business is about connections, but you might get fortunate enough to have an experienced guy take you under his wing. A lot of guys in this industry have criminal records worse than yours but grew up and stayed on the right side of the law.

It sounds like you care less about being a soldier and more about experiencing action. Let's get real, combat is horrendous and most people who have experienced it will tell you you're fucking stupid if you think you want to hit the sand get into firefights with nameless brown people who have never lived with plumbing before. There is enough you can do as a civilian that will still give you an important, respectable job in society and let you deal with action and tense situations, if that is what you really want.

Oh and the pro route is to become both a paramedic and a firefighter. Each job by itself has limited income potential (probably won't break 40k a year), but having both will pretty much double this income, paramedic-fighters often make 70k+ a year, you become extremely valuable if you can get yourself trained and certified to do both at once.

And then fuck with your guns and gear on your free time. You'll be seen as important and badass and all that stuff you seem to want etc. You'll be in deadly situations on possibly a daily basis with the upside that you aren't at constant risk of instadeath from snipers and IEDs.
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12633 No. 12633 ID: bca222 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]
armchair historian here

Why did some soviet men sell weapons to the taliban and the cia during the afghanistan civil war?

I want to assume they knew of the potential repercussions and want to understand their motives as humans.
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Moscow bans overnight sales of vodka in Dmitry Medvedev's war on alcohol
Crackdown on Russia's lethal drink culture where vodka is country's number one killer
Ivan the Terrible ramped up its production, Mikhail Gorbachev banned it and Boris Yeltsin wandered the streets of Washington in his underpants after consuming too much of it.
Now President Dmitry Medvedev has become the latest leader to step on to the floor in Russia's eternal and deadly dance with vodka.
City authorities in Moscow have announced a ban on the sale of spirits between 10pm and 10am, in the most recent of a series of measures designed to break the country's drinking habit.
The average Russian drinks a litre and a half of pure alcohol every month, a habit that kills half a million people a year and is a major factor in population decline. An estimated 51% of production is on the black market, with factories running illegal night shifts and huge supplies of moonshine called samogon distilled in villages, where it acts as a second currency.
Medvedev announced a war on alcohol last summer saying he was shocked by the "colossal" level of consumption. He ordered the government to draw up measures to discourage excessive drinking and cut off supplies of bootleg liquor.
Russia has since increased excise on beer, raised the minimum price of a bottle of vodka to 89 roubles (£1.87) and announced plans to cut sales at kiosks. Legal changes to make it a criminal rather than an administrative offence to sell alcohol to minors are also in the pipeline and last month police began enforcing a zero drink-drive limit.
Shops and other outlets in Moscow had been banned from selling alcohol over 15% in strength between 11pm and 8am but a legal loophole allowed them to acquire permission for 24-hour sales from district authorities. Establishments serving food are not affected. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/moscow-ban-vodka
- Two homeless men in Moscow ready to share a bottle of vodka.
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"We can only welcome this law," said Yevgeny Bryun, the ministry of health's chief specialist on alcohol and drug addiction.
Bryun admitted that hardened drinkers could still down vodka during the day and "catch up" late at night by purchasing beer, "but overall the alcohol burden will be lower".
Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who has studied alcohol trends in Russia, said: "It will depend on enforcement but this is a good thing.
"The experience of the Nordic countries shows us that any measure which makes it difficult to access alcohol has a positive effect."
However, he added: "What is most effective is higher excise taxes and limiting the number of outlets selling alcohol."
Alcohol was prohibited in the Russian empire between 1914 and 1917 but reintroduced by the Bolsheviks when they realised its earning power. In the 1980s Gorbachev also banned booze, tearing up huge vineyards in Crimea and other southern climes of the Soviet Union. Mortality rates dropped as a result but there was a spurt in use of dangerous "surrogate" alcohols such as aftershave, boot polish and window cleaner.
Vodka – both legal and illegal – remains the chief killer in Russia, where it accounts for up to 70% of consumption, despite the rising popularity of beer and mixed drinks such as gin and tonic in cans.
Alkashi – alcoholics – are still a common sight on Moscow streets. A collection of wild-eyed and grubby men sprawled at one notorious hangout outside the entrance to Belorusskaya railway station is a common sight.
"Vodka's got more expensive so sometimes we chip in to share a bottle," said one of the group, echoing a practice in Soviet times, when three men would contribute a rouble each to buy half a litre.
Andrey Demin, a public health expert who drew up a recent report on alcohol abuse, said future measures would face stiff opposition in parliament. "The alcohol lobby and foreign producers in Russia are so strong and ruthless," he said.
Demin said higher prices, tougher legislation and stricter control on production and distribution were the only solutions. "Otherwise this extermination by alcohol will continue."
- Then-President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia toasts with champagne during a state dinner in Warsaw in 2010.
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Beer ban in bid to curb Russia's alcoholism problem
Reuters 1 January 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/beer-ban-in-bid-to-curb-russias-alcoholism-problem-8434696.html
Sales of beer on the street have been banned under a law which came into force today in an attempt to curb alcoholism. The former President, Dmitry Medvedev, signed amendments to alcohol laws in 2011 to reclassify beer, previously considered a foodstuff, as liquor.

Stalls and kiosks are now banned from selling beer, and shops cannot sell it between 11pm and 8am. Russians are among the world's biggest drinkers, according to the World Health Organisation, which in 2011 found that the deaths of one-fifth of Russian men were down to alcohol abuse.

- Former Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, with a beer.
>> No. 12681 ID: 7397cb
>want to understand their motives as humans.


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12601 No. 12601 ID: 185b12 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]

Communications thread.

Inspired by a video on youtubes about the EVE online mega-conflict known as The Fountain War, having a look at the major battles showed that there was some glints of pretty interesting fleet level communication with people being designated communications officers to give priority audio commands and to relay queries.

Couldn't understand heads or tails of the laser spam that was the 4000-player battle, but how the commands were relayed did leave an impression.

But that's still just a game, how do actual large military organizations communicate?
And are there any good examples showing how it sounds, like recordings or videos

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>> No. 12610 ID: 70d38f
>But that's still just a game, how do actual large military organizations communicate?
If your accent is on "large" part, you probably already know the answer.
>> No. 12611 ID: 185b12
Are there parallel up/down lines of communication?

Has anyone here worked in communications
>> No. 12615 ID: 7443a9
I haven't worked in communications BUT I did more than a couple "combat" flights in Afghanistan.

Not sure what you mean but there ARE multiple frequencies, some encrypted and some not, and each are for different things. And on some of them there are A LOT of other people talking through REALLY SHITTY coms. Actual radio use during combat operations was really hard to learn and really stressful at first but by the end it was second nature. It is amazing that the brain can learn how to sort out all of the chatter, clicks, pops, and buzzes.
>> No. 12623 ID: 502151
>Are there parallel up/down lines of communication?
Usually you have Group (Squad/Section for Ameris and Brits) nets via SPR UHF, Platoon nets via VHF handhelds, Company nets via VHF handhelds and vehicle mounted and Battalion nets via mostly vehicle stations. Further up you might have text chat (think IRC), networks like the BLUFORCE tracker (is that also the American name for it?) or just straight up face to face.

Group nets have the entire group on them. Platoon nets have the group commanders and the platoon commander. Company nets have the Platoon commanders and the company commander (and assets like engineers, UAV, sniper teams, etc), battalion nets have the company commanders, the battalion commander and sometimes the platoon commanders (and assets).

Or are you talking about the specific prowords used when this one guy calls up this other guy and they want to effectively say something?
>> No. 12668 ID: 08f745

There's parallel/intermingling lines of communication, as well as individuals capable of forking to different lines of communication depending on what their position within the element is.

EVE communication somewhat follows a chain of command, but has technological benefits that "real life" distributed radio communications do not allow. IE, Using mumble, teamspeak, ventrilo, you can establish areas where people can listen but not speak unless they're say, a leader of an element. Your "commanders" can also override communications completely from anyone not also a commander at the same level.

This doesn't work when you're talking about radio communications, as on a specific channel regardless of freqhop or simplex, the way radio works just doesn't allow multiple stations to talk at the same time.

So, in the military, you segregate. You may have multiple individuals on the same net, but generally most aren't talking. You may have at most, say, 7 people max on a specific frequency that are the common communicators.

Also, there's other radio networks for specific things as necessary. A company commander doesn't need to hear the call for fire for artillery, as an example. He either already gave carte blanche for FUCK THEM ALL, or otherwise is being informed/has already been informed regarding the need and gave his OK, to the platoon leader.

The CO/PL also as another example, don't need to hear coordination for what kind of casualties have been taken, as they are concerned with number of wounded/dead and if the unit is still mission capable or not. A medical net is where the casualty crosstalk occurs, as well as passing any pertinent information so the receiving element is fully aware of the extent of injuries to be prepared for.

There's many aspects within EVE that make the way you do things there just flat out not apply in the real world, with regards to tactics as well as communications.
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8546 No. 8546 ID: fa982a hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
Can we have a Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan thread? I'd really love to learn more about the conflict and gear used but I can't find any books on it locally.

Of major importance to me - was the AKS-74 the only variant of the -74 used in A-stan? I've yet to see a full stocked -74 in any Afghan war photos.
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Aftermath in a village located along the Salang Highway, shelled and destroyed during fights between Mujahideen guerrillas and Afghan soldiers in Salang, Afghanistan.
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Soviet soldiers work with two German Shepherd dogs trained to sniff out explosives in and around their base near Kabul on May 1, 1988.
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Muslim anti-aircraft gunners in eastern Afghanistan's Paktia Province on July 20, 1986.
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The Russians could have really screwed the US and the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan, by supplying the Taliban and other Afghan rebel groups with advanced SAMs and anti-tank missiles like how the US supplied Stinger missiles and other weapons to the Afghan rebels during the Soviet assistance in Afghanistan.

- Taliban militants surrender their weapons in Herat, 2013.
Great, a rusty WW2 DP-28 Degtyaryov light machine-gun.
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Taliban warns ISIS: stay out of Afghanistan
2nd July 2015 http://thecentrestar.com/taliban-warns-isis-stay-out-of-afghanistan/
THE Taliban has warned the leader of ISIS against waging a parallel insurgency in Afghanistan, after a string of defections and reported clashes with militants loyal to ISIS.
The Middle Eastern group, also known by its Arabic acronym Daesh, has never formally acknowledged having a presence in Afghanistan, but fears are growing that the group is making inroads in the country.
In a letter addressed to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Taliban insisted that “jihad against the Americans and their allies must be conducted under one flag and one leadership”.
“The Islamic Emirate (Taliban) does not consider the multiplicity of jihadi ranks beneficial either for jihad or for Muslims,” said the letter signed by the Taliban deputy leader, Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansoor.
“Your decisions taken from a distance will result in (ISIS) losing support of religious scholars, mujahideen… and in order to defend its achievements the Islamic Emirate will be forced to react,” it added.
The letter, published on the Taliban website in Pashto, Urdu, Arabic and Dari, did not elaborate on its threat.
The Taliban have seen defections in recent months — with some insurgents apparently adopting the ISIS flag to rebrand themselves as a more lethal force as NATO troops depart.
The two groups, which espouse different ideological extremist strains of Sunni Islam, are believed to be arrayed against each other in Afghanistan’s restive south, with clashes frequently reported.
Last week, local media reported pitched battles between the Taliban and supporters of ISIS in eastern Afghanistan, with casualties reported on both sides.
General John Campbell, the commander of NATO forces in the country, last month said the ISIS group was recruiting fighters in Afghanistan, but they were not yet operational.
There have been fears of ISIS group making inroads in Afghanistan since US-led NATO forces ended their combat mission late last year, after 13 years of fighting the Taliban.
In February, a NATO drone strike killed Mullah Abdul Rauf Khadim, a former Taliban commander and Guantanamo detainee with suspected links to ISIS, in the volatile southern province of Helmand.
And in March Hafiz Waheed, a successor to Khadim, was killed along with nine others in the Sangin district of Helmand, according to the Afghan defence ministry.
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12605 No. 12605 ID: 224068 hide watch expand quickreply [Reply]

I humbly request your assistance.

Writing a paper on pic related.

Basically your man Vegetius argued that Rome should return his army to the style of that 200 years previous (AD 200) as this was the time Roman power was at it's zenith.

Can anyone think of a modern example of a return to older tech/military structures?

I can think of the British Army's return to issuing GPMGs in Afghanistan but I could do with something a bit wider in scope.
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>> No. 12627 ID: 67d391

Well, Alvin Toffler's book series was never meant to be handed around in strategic circles, but rather in social policy and economic circles. It just happened to come at the same time period where anyone with eyes could see the Soviets declining and large supranational and nation-state based organizations losing their monopoly on the ability to act, because in the future you don't need a government with tens of millions of people at its disposal to send a telegram or assemble your atomic bombs...

That's an aside though. You're quite right, some of them are just absolute crazy men who happened to have a brilliant idea. Take Bill Lind for example whom I referenced above, not a military man (also batshit crazy and a sorta-kinda white supremacist), but his work expanding on Col. John Boyd's work is still discussed in strategic circles today, and his recent book even (if you can get past the rhetoric that got him kicked out of the public light) actually still has some very useful insights.

Machiavelli... I think he was just a master of common sense. Probably if that man put his mind to anything, he would have taken occam's razor towards it and figured out a good, sound, logical path to address it.

In the end, military science is just that... science, and the best discoveries come with a "...huh..." or and "...oops..." I suppose.
>> No. 12628 ID: 3d25a3
Quite a few military men have been cited in other works, but they're all romans or byzantines.
>> No. 12629 ID: 254d85
I'd suggest taking a look at the discrediting and denouncing of Tukhachevsky's Deep Battle during the purges of 1937-1938 and difference to men like Grigory Kulik who thought submachine guns were a "bourgeois fascist police weapon" and that tanks would never replace horses, and then Deep Battle's readoption after months of operational disasters at the start of Barbarossa due to the meddling of men like Kulik.
>> No. 12631 ID: 3d25a3
I'd just like to point out that vegetius was a moron, with no understanding of the military of his past or present.

He routinely gets things wrong, is utterly ignorant of the differences in threats and polical/social issue facing rome, and should NEVER be taken seriously.

The late roman army was exceptionally good, despite the myths that cunt helped spread.

Great examples here:
Late roman forces were just as well armored as earlier ones.

Arguably better armored, depending on how you feel about segmentata vs chain. Of course, the two coexisted anyway.

From 200 yards, you would have a lot of trouble telling a ventilation from on period apart from one from the other.
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>> No. 12632 ID: bc4b79
I am no expert on Roman plate so I bow to your superior knowledge of the subject.

Oh I did. though the main crux of my argument was, if it works then it aint stupid. So go back to the earlier forms of army if it works. To be honest his main point that i agreed with is the fact he wants a large well trained force that will be absolutely loyal, which is a good idea. Unfortunately before this happened Rome got its shit stomped.

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Not really sure if this belongs here, in /w/ or in another board.


Anybody know of any websites like this, except in English? The language settings seem to not work whatsoever. Also, it's slow as fuck, but I'm not sure if that's just for me or everyone else as well.
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Why the fuck would you think this belongs in /n/ - News. Try again somewhere else. /t/ or /w/ would be fine.

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